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Japan reports 118,201 new coronavirus cases

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Japan on Thursday reported 118,201 new coronavirus cases, down 20,195 from Wednesday. Tokyo reported 12,332 new cases, down 2,067 from Wednesday.

The number of infected people hospitalized with severe symptoms in Tokyo was 19, up one from Wednesday. The nationwide figure was 339, down two from Wednesday.

The number of coronavirus-related deaths reported nationwide was 182.

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Huge numbers time to lockdown like other counties! Oh wait!!

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According to Dr. Fukushima, Professor Emeritus at Kyoto University, the vaccine is what is causing people in Japan to have weaker immune responses. That is a potentially outrageous claim! I wonder if he has any data to back that up? https://rumble.com/v1y1kf4-dr-masanori-fukushima-professor-emeritus-at-kyoto-university-warns-about-va.html

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Tokyo reports 118,201 new coronavirus cases

Um, I think you mean "Japan" There is a whole rest of the country OUTSIDE the Captial (A fact that I too occasionally forget.)

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Hospitalised with severe symptoms in Tokyo…19

come on time to move on mask off!

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According to Dr. Fukushima, Professor Emeritus at Kyoto University, the vaccine is what is causing people in Japan to have weaker immune responses

The problem is that this is completely false. His claims are easily contradicted by epiemiological evidence that vaccinated people are not at higher risk of infection but the opposite, and much more they are much better protected against severe disease, hospitalization and death.

His "arguments" completely depend on misrepresenting any and all deaths after vaccination as if they were consequence of the vaccine, but a simple comparison between vaccinated and unvaccinated people clearly demonstrate vaccinated people are not dying at higher rates.

At the point he tried to hide the role of variants with higher transmissibility and pretended that an increase of cases this year happened exclusively in Japan he lost any credibility between experts.

The data available do not support his claims, it debunks them.

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Jeffb....

There is some evidence of a weaker immune response towards variants due to this concept called Original Antigenic Sin (it's been getting press recently), wherein one's immune system goes with what it knows from prior exposure even though the efficacy of the antibody response to the original virus is lessened against the variant.

In addition, it has been awhile since people got their second shot and/or boosters, so immunity has waned somewhat.

Also, different variants take advantage of different inherent weaknesses in an individual's immune system (often with interferon production, signaling, targeting genes. Interferon is the first line of defense against viruses so if the systems involved the above are not working properly, you got problems).

Could be a combo of all three and/or other factors.

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That's a lot of dearly departed.

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Probably the same or close to the number of flu fatalities. Is Japan ever going to consider an off ramp or do we have to wear masks forever? I enjoy watching the Japanese fans at the World Cup with no masks. They must be thinking this is great.

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Looks like Japan will soon be approaching two hundred deaths a day. This is the new normal, and it will only get worse from here on out, especially with each new wave. "Risk reduction" ended up being a collosal falsehood. The risk hasn't reduced at all.

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Still here watching all the kiddies playing school sports with masks on and the people driving by themselves with masks on…temp checks at the izakaya only to take the mask off as soon as one sits down. Looks,like the inside of the izakaya is the only sane place in Japan. People laughing and smiling with masks off only to go grey again when they have to don them to depart and head back into the reality of mask overkill!

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People laughing and smiling with masks off 

That sounds terrible. They should be doing that with masks on.

Have you worn a kimono and gotten dressed up like a woman from a bygone age yet? It would suite you.

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 "Risk reduction" ended up being a collosal falsehood. The risk hasn't reduced at all.

Compare fatality rates by number of cases, this will completely disprove your claim. For example in December 1st of 2021 Japan had 123 cases and one death, if the risk was the same then the 118,201 cases of today would mean having close to 1000 deaths.

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@Sanji, when you eventually get here, you will be able to find places where that isn't an issue.

In particular, there are tons of places in Shibuya where the staff actually discourages masking. Many of these places also kept their doors open during the SoEs. You'll know them when you see them. Where there are lots of young people and open rebellion, Covid is ignored. Where you have lots of old people, people go out of their way to try to please the hierarchy hivemind.

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Anyway, fact are the death tolls, the LongCovid symptoms and a significantly decreased average life expectancy. So I still recommend a strict NoCovid strategy. But go ahead ‘living’ with the viruses, no masks and no further vaccinations. But don’t cry and complain no one told you in a few years ahead from now or later out of your much earlier than necessary coffins.

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According to Dr. Fukushima, Professor Emeritus at Kyoto University, the vaccine is what is causing people in Japan to have weaker immune responses

actual academic says out loud what is common knowledge. Your immune system response becomes weaker after the 2nd shot (at least) and you start to get an increasingly weaker efficacy which is negative by probably your 4th shot. In other words, the vaccinated are now MORE likely to be infected, be hospitalized and die from C19.

the current situation in heavily vaccinated Japan cannot be refuted. Now after 4 or 5 shots, record numbers in all 3 categories

the peanut gallery with absolutely zero qualifications and experience;

"what a moron!"

"The problem is that this is completely false!"

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Tokyo reports 118,201 new coronavirus cases

Um, I think you mean "Japan" There is a whole rest of the country OUTSIDE the Captial (A fact that I too occasionally forget.)

The JT moderator clearly had 2 whole cans of Asahi Super Dry yet again today.

Moderator: We apologize for the error. It has now been corrected.

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Miniscule serious cases.

Higher case numbers and related deaths this year than in previous years.

Milder variant since start of year.

Mass vaccine rollout since spring 2021.

Many boosted 1-2-3 times.

Masks still worn outside and on children.

Downgrade to flu makes sense now, esp given fact IFR for flu is likely higher.

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Compare fatality rates by number of cases, this will completely disprove your claim. For example in December 1st of 2021 Japan had 123 cases and one death, if the risk was the same then the 118,201 cases of today would mean having close to 1000 deaths.

Why do we care about fatality rates? More than half of Japan's Covid fatalities occured in 2022, after we "reduced risk thanks to vaccines and other measures". I'm talking about the numbers. Not the ratio.

Sure, Omicron may be less deadly overall than Delta, and Alpha, but if Omicron is infecting so many people that the average number of deaths per year is higher, than the ratio you mentioned doesn't really matter.

As far as this hypothetical "higher number of deaths without vaccination" scenario which you will inevitably also mention, do you have anything that can prove the massive reduction in fatality rate isn't due to a weaker strain of the virus? Or disprove the reality that young people were already a virtually invincible demographic, even if unvaccinated?

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His claims are easily contradicted by epiemiological evidence that vaccinated people are not at higher risk of infection but the opposite

No, Dr Fukushima appears to be correct based on the evidence, e.g.

The probability of reinfection increased with time from the initial infection (odds ratio of 18 months vs 3 months, 1.56; 95% CI, 1.18-2.08) (Figure) and was higher among persons who had received 2 or more doses compared with 1 dose or less of vaccine (odds ratio, 1.42; 95% CI, 1.13-1.78). 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/article-abstract/2794886

He also criticised the government for not adequately monitoring the results of vaccination.

At this point, it is completely obvious from the statistics publicly available that whatever was put in people certainly does not work, and one must wonder why in Africa, where only a minuscule proportion of the population is vaccinated, there is no equivalent problem.

I predict a bumpy ride for Japan, unless they either just get on with it or use a decent treatment program.

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A JAMA Network Open article from late October shows that the newer Omicron BA.2 subvariant is less lethal than those of the original Delta or original Omicron variants. Whether transmissibility changed is not addressed in the article.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2797625

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I do find it interesting how there is always this notion of a broad consensus of all medical professionals until a medical professional speaks out. Then they are quickly written off as not reliable.

Takimata, you points of Dr. Fukushima's CV have been used in the exact same way to lend credit to other health professionals, so it's a slight double standard, no? I think there is too much certainty and not enough question. For example, why in a country with such high vaccine and mask adherence are the cases so seemingly out of control? Are the interventions working? What is the measurement of success? What would failure look like?

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Takemata - The "data" coming out of the CDC is laughably cherry-picked and flies in the face of real-world results.

If it were accurate, why are the heavily vaccinated countries getting hammered right now? Why has Covid almost literally disappeared in 9% vaccinated Africa?

The proof is in the real world results.

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This time it is "Original Antigenic Sin", last week it was "Gain of Function Research". It takes the scientific and science-publishing community to debunk the keyphrase for a week, after which the antivaxers completely abandon it and latch on to the next keyphrase of their choosing.

The keyphrases of the week are indeed attacked by "the scientific and science-publishing community", but they fail to actually debunk anything. And we haven't abandoned anything, those things are still very much talked about, and will continue to be... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc9YHBXad5o (highly recommended)

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Follow the science “quack, quack” follow the science “quaaaaaack”

Japan today stop reporting the case numbers already. It’s so last year.

Let me guess people are still getting tested daily and they are still using the same Fake PCR test! These poor people, it will take years to undue the mental health issue that has been placed on them. Mass psychosis is a real thing! Just sad to see!

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116 deaths were vaccinated ones.

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wolfshineToday  05:47 pm JST

@Sanji, when you eventually get here, you will be able to find places where that isn't an issue

Mate I am in da house. Tonight in a Spanish restaurant casa Mira at Hiroshima. Not as fun as last night in Nagatoshi but still pretty good. Kyoto was a bit strict still so I guess the big hubs are still down the rabbit hole but I have seen the odd bright light standing out not wearing a mask in the station etc. It's coming but Japan has always been slow to move!

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Can anyone claim with a serious face that vaccines and masks work in Japan? Curve is looking pretty curvy (as in not flat...)

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jeffb

Thank you for posting the clip of Dr Fukushima clearly stating, in my opinion, the obvious.

Here's a video from a few months back with Yale Professor, Harvey Risch, stating similar facts:

https://youtu.be/QLshMw9POI0

People...you're free to draw your own logical conclusion.

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Seven,

That should be the point, right? Coming on close to year 3 of a pandemic and the curve has yet to flatten. It's high time we start to rigerously question the past year and a half of intense measures, lockdowns, school closures, work from home, social distance, multiple novel vaccinations, ridiculous universal masking and see what worked and what didn't. And most importantly, what made things worse? Did we prolong this somehow? Are we prepared for another novel virus? Do we have the capacity for herd immunity anymore? Lot's of questions.

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If the R0 of Omicron is anything like scientists were speculating, some saying it had an R0 of as high as 8, although seems they have come down from the clouds and settled on around 2 for now, it's astounding that the whole country isn't infected withing a 2 week window. It's very odd to have cases in the 100,000s daily for months on end if they are not exponentially increasing onto the millions very quickly.

My wife has covid symptoms and went to the hospital to get some pills and they offered a PCR test. They are now optional. She opted not to have, as would be a problem for work etc if she tested positive. So I guess many cases are going untested and not in the overall count.

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You have to take into account the ratio of vaxed to the unvaxed Sanji =)

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Sanji,

if you want to conclusively prove your point, you need to compare deaths based on their proximity to a second or third, etc., vaccination. If a year has past since your last vaccination, one’s immunity will have dissipated substantially.

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I appreciate the more lenient moderating in this thread....let people argue it out, and let people draw their own conclusions. As someone who actually does statistics in their job, it's pretty obvious to me that vaccines are helpful, although much less so than before Omicron.....but shutting down debate actually favors the conspiracy theorists.

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stats don’t lie!

Look for readings entitled "how to lie with statistics" =)

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