Japan reports 98,476 new coronavirus cases

I just think it's sad that Japan burned billions of yen on measures meant to fight the virus thinking there would eventually be an end in sight, only to find that there is none.

Japanese lifestyle choices like diet, nutrition, exercise, and drug abstinence actually succeeded, while the masks, SoEs, travel bans, and gratuitous mRNA doses all failed.

More people will lose their life to Covid this winter vs last year, even though we are dealing with essentially the same variant.

It's not too late to stop burning money though. Ditch the vaccine/PCR requirements for entry into the country, stop paying for more mRNA doses, and let the less sleazy domestic pharmaceutical companies provide a better solution than Pfizer or Moderna. Japan will continue to be a major economic player on the world stage but only if it accepts reality and moves on.

I just think it's sad that Japan burned billions of yen on measures meant to fight the virus thinking there would eventually be an end in sight, only to find that there is none.

The huge reduction of risk compared with the beginning of the pandemic clearly disqualify your statement, the costliest measures have already been abandoned because their cost (economic, social, etc.) no longer make the benefits they bring justified. This is bound to become more and more common the lower the risk to the population becomes.

*Japanese lifestyle choices like diet, nutrition, exercise, and drug abstinence actually succeeded, while the masks, SoEs, travel bans, and gratuitous mRNA doses all failed.*

According to the professionals the masks, isolation and specially vaccines are precisely the reason why the Japanese situation did not progress towards disaster even with a huge amount of population being at an increased risk from the infection.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/982234?src=WNL_trdalrt_pos1_ous_221014&uac=415248FJ&impID=4748561

More people will lose their life to Covid this winter vs last year, even though we are dealing with essentially the same variant.

No, that is completely false, why declare something so easily disproved?

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/gisaid/global/6m

Last year the prevalent strains were Delta, this year they are Omicron, there is a huge difference in the capacity to spread between both types of variants.

And that does not even includes the huge differences in measures being in place at both times.

Are we there yet??the rest of the world has moved on except cccp China yet and Japan follows China…..why is this so??? Top reporting and Covid will disappear! Stop creating hysteria and there will be none!

The huge reduction of risk compared with the beginning of the pandemic clearly disqualify your statement, the costliest measures have already been abandoned because their cost (economic, social, etc.) no longer make the benefits they bring justified. This is bound to become more and more common the lower the risk to the population becomes.

Doesn't matter, my point is that the damage (economically and socially) has already been done, and the benefits have always been debatable.

According to the professionals the masks, isolation and specially vaccines are precisely the reason why the Japanese situation did not progress towards disaster even with a huge amount of population being at an increased risk from the infection.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/982234?src=WNL_trdalrt_pos1_ous_221014&uac=415248FJ&impID=4748561

Okay, except the Japanese population is mostly vaccinated and masked right now, and 100+ people a day are dying. Those numbers will increase exponentially in a few months. So yeh I would say the situation is now actually progressing towards a disaster.

Also re that study, can you prove definitevely that the people behind it don't stand to gain/profit from providing direct/indirectly positive vaccine advertising?

Last year the prevalent strains were Delta, this year they are Omicron, there is a huge difference in the capacity to spread between both types of variants.

Admittedly, my original comment was poorly worded:

More people will lose their life to Covid next winter vs earlier this year. Omicrom has been the primary variant this whole year, and despite being the weakest, has and will continue to wreak the most havoc on public health in Japan, regardless of vaccination status.

Doesn't matter, my point is that the damage (economically and socially) has already been done, and the benefits have always been debatable.

Your poing completely depends on no gain being done with the measures, it was very easy to demonstrate this was false and the current situation is a huge advancement compared with the beginning of the pandemic, huge benefits were obtained by the effective measures, and the endless situation you are basing your whole argument in simply does not exists. Thus proving your point is false.

Okay, except the Japanese population is mostly vaccinated and masked right now, and 100+ people a day are dying. 

Which again is a consequence of the huge difference of transmissibility from the current variant, compare fatality rates between the same date last year and this year and you will find the real importance of the vaccination. Also no, mask use has been importantly reduced, even against the recommendation of the experts as anybody can see in places where it is still recommended to be used. Even if only 1% of the population was not wearing masks properly that is still enough to contain every case observed now. The mistake you make is called ecologic fallacy, Where you blindly assume the characteristics of the whole population apply the same to any group, even if obvious reasons for self selection are present.

Also re that study, can you prove definitevely that the people behind it don't stand to gain/profit from providing direct/indirectly positive vaccine advertising?

As long as the vaccine can be proved scientifically to be an advantage for the people vaccinated your argument is irrelevant. As long as a measure is useful there is justification in recommending it. If the scientific and medical consensus clearly do so then nameless people on the internet pretending they are all in some world wide conspiracy simply have no argument to support their position.

Do you have any data to refute the one presented? any argument against the methods followed? because if you don't then the only rational option is to accept the report as correct, even if the conclusions clearly contradict you.

More people will lose their life to Covid next winter vs earlier this year

Which is still a consequence of the part of your comment that was undeniably false. The measures in place are also not the same, because right now there is very little gain and huge losses in trying to prevent infections, meanwhile preventing complications and deaths from those infections is much easier less costly while providing much better results.

regardless of vaccination status.

Unless you can bring an equivalent population that was not vaccinated and that has equivalent number of deaths that is just a baseless assumption not supported by science. For all you know we could have 2X 5X or 10X the number of infections and deaths than right now without measures like vaccines and masks.

They report how many are in the hospitals in Tokyo but how many cases of people in hospitals in outlying areas such Chiba, Saitama and so on. Or better yet how many are hospitalized across Japan. 142 deaths in one day, that is a lot of people to be recorded on the weekend.

Those numbers will increase exponentially in a few months

Doubt it. 8th wave is plateauing. You'll need to wait till the 9th for your cold morbid wish to be nearly likely to happen. (But I hope it don't and you feel remorseful.)