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fillmore2
when I see Abe and her, it remains of the movie " Dumb and Dumber but hard to figure which one is which.
therougou
This was discussed more than a week ago. I doubt Koike herself came up with it..
raincloud
No one mentioned that Koike just created a new “wasei-eigo.” Now the entire Japanese population thinks they know what the word “overshoot” means.
50YearOldNoviceGymMan
@cracaphat - yes your are right... however,
I know, some Gyms are getting shut down (Globally), there is a reason I guess per Gym.
Recently, I visited the one in Roppongi Hills - its Super Expensive one - has the US Golds Gym style of Equipment along with other Training areas - and looks to be very well equipped, yet I didn't see any cleaning materials around, maybe they have some - I don't know - I'd rather simply go to a public gym that has more facilities on offer - and obvious hand-cleansing sprays, etc. (This is the continual balancing act I keep reviewing between private paid for Gym and Public).
The "cheaper chain" I signed up for, does however have both Alcohol based wipes and sprays (within all its gyms I frequent) which people "are" using before & after equipment usage - at least in the gyms I use... and even before this virus outbreak when someone didn't wipe off their sweat from a machine/weight/bench another gym user would often try and correct their ways. So I sort of feel more comfortable at the moment. Certainly more so, than being crammed into a train full of individuals who may or may not care about their own health, let alone the impact that their condition may have upon others!
Keeping ones distance from other Gym users as an Etiquette thing... (unless you are into the touchy feely thing of some individuals (Sorry I'm old-school and don't do that), and I have rarely seen that happen here locally between patrons - except however, when its done by some of the so called resident Gym Trainers - "Cringy" is the word I have for that. I keep my distance from them.
I, like other members, Wipe down equipment before and after usage, and ... hope for the best. Which is I hope, my fellow Gym members do too. Should a total Lock down occur, which is enforced, then as I said before, I will obey, and continue with my old style home routine.... indeed it may be more beneficial for overall fitness, so with that in mind, I will buy some extra roll-up type yoga mats & large towels tomorrow in order to have a more wider space for exercising upon without leaving any sweat behind within the small living room area.
That all said,
You know, a standard 2 Litre bottle of water is a great substitute for a light weight when working out - just increase and slow-down the reps and feel the pain... then you will know, it doesn't take much, but it requires dedication to your Goal.
All the best.
mmwkdw
@TARA TAN KITAOKA - Cherry Blossom "viewing" weekend...
However, given that the beer shelves are the only ones still full in my local Super, I guess this the recommendation will be adhered to ... at least locally.
50YearOldNoviceGymMan
I saw a post above mentioning Face-masks, not sure where that individual is located, though I am completely unable to find one within my area. So I have to go around without one. Is that to be seen as my fault ?
mmwkdw
Should be dry in Morning 9am-2pm but more likely to be wet after 3pm - so choose your going out time carefully.
mmwkdw
News on the street is that there will be another announcement regarding a "lockdown" next week sometime. Best use the non-enforced "quieter" weekend to do some long term shopping... if you can find anything!
Chip Star
Where are all the posters that we’re claiming Japan is special (don’t touch, are clean, wear masks, etc.) so escaping the full brunt of this virus just four days ago? I don’t reckon they’ll be here admitting they were utterly incorrect any time soon.
bass4funk
Yes, because the virus just hates Tokyo. I’m sure once they start testing and they see the numbers rise, they’ll realize they were duped by believing in luck.
starpunk
Tokyo is the largest city in the world but it's been lucky so far. You gotta use your heads here and play it safe. This is no time for playing with loaded dice.
John Richardson
I don't know why but I have a feeling they are immune to it somehow. Not sure how and why. I spoke to someone who lives in japan now and I kinda got upset with her how she really did not take my words of advice seriously,..almost as to make fun of it and to make me seem as if I was panicking - its really like they dont care or really not concerned about it. i remember when i lived there, i caught all kinds of crazy and nasty viruses from kids to idiot adults coughing and not covering their mouths. I also remember seeing something about a japanese drug being offered online or somewhere that states that it helps people recover from the virus. maybe some countries are trying to capitilize during these times on something. That is a bit sick if you ask me,..not in the virus sense.
TARA TAN KITAOKA
Why this week-end ???.
Luddite
No talk of handwashing or social distancing on NHK news, I had to switch off. It's all Tokyo centric too, so everyone in Japn stays complacent. This ineptitude is criminal.
vanstar
Suck it up from Sydney, Australia the whole world is shutting down for a while .. we're all in the same boat. Wait it out as best you can.
Okibum
This nation is living under a rock!
Tora
@goodlucktoyou
[SNIP]
Where do to live? In most big cities in japan it's impossible for people to go out and practice social distancing, due to the population density. And tell me, where would they wash their hands while outside ? And, avoid old people? How? 1-3 are old. Cough in your elbow?? Well, if you have a cough, it is the height of stupidity to be outside at the moment. Infact, everybody just bloody stay inside for a bit. It's the only effective way to get the RO of this thing down to less than 1.
Numan
Chemo patients are highly susceptible to the virus because of the weakened immune system to reduce the cancer or kill the cancer.
Numan
There was a run on my local supermarket and conbini today. They are both almost cleared out. They both also 24hrs. The hit could have started last night!
Goodlucktoyou
peeps, get out and enjoy the spring! Outside! One meter apart. Cough on your elbow and wash your hands frequently. Don’t touch your face. Limit contact with old people.
get out and have fun. 24 hour coverage of doom, doom, doom will great psychological and physical damage. Just follow the advise.
sf2k
kurisupisu and others
wakame seaweed salad boost immunity. So do white button mushrooms. Try to incorporate them into your diet and that should help. (NutritionFacts.org)
titin
@kitzrow I’m really sorry for what you’re going through. If I lived in the Tokyo area I would give you a ride to the hospital during these harsh times.
Please take care and try to use the transportation during off peak times.
Rob
Few days ago, in front of a busy station in Tokyo suburbs, I saw a guy with a big sign “inviting” people to pachinko! Go figure...
kitzrow
I need To visit the Kanagawa Cancer center once a month to receive chemotherapy. I had my last treatment a week ago. At the time I had to use public transportation. Only a week ago, but I worried about social contact since I am considered very vulnerable with underlying issues. The Cancer center sees on an average 1,000 patients a day. Most patients are vulnerable. I mentioned to my doctors that I hoped the mysterious virus would not invade the hospital. My doctor showed me a guideline the cancer center will use if patients come down with the flu or virus. I left his office knowing I would not have to visit the hospital for a month. I was content with that but I needed to get home as the trains were crowded.
It has been a week for me as I have stayed clear of all transportation. I have a week to begin to feel better as my immune system builds resistance to the chemo I took.
Personally I hope I am OK but worry that after the Olympics were finally postponed, that Koike’s remarks will not be heeded. My wife mentioned briefly that Japan does not have laws to insist on a mandatory lockdown.
I have a week to be very careful and truly hope Japan realizes the severity of the situation. Many other countries have! Testing is important!!
wtfjapan
This request is left up to people's judgement...
and many judgement will be going to the coronavirus party that is cherry blossoms, because kawaii is more important common sense, remember what Koike said stopping Japanese from going to cherry blossoms is like stopping Italians from kissing. Guess what Italians have now stopped kissing
wtfjapan
What would happen to people who work on a contract basis?
and what will happen if people catch the virus then come home and give it to their families!?
people have to come to realise what's more important their health of their familiers of their jobs, sacrificing 2 weeks of your lives for say, staying alive!
Blitzwing
This is how it starts. Lockdown in 3.. 2.. 1..
Jeniffer
This request is left up to people's judgement...
Silvafan
So, very Japanese! Fukushima vol. 2
Realization
What about week days?
Corona took holiday or promise not to infect people?
Actually they're worried about economy not about citizen.
Mirai Hayashi
Jack
So much negativity.
What would happen to people who work on a contract basis?
Karyuudo
1) They were hiding the numbers to try and make the Tokyo Olympics attractive. (Not a problem now)
2) They don't want to enforce restrictions on businesses / people because they're worried about their sagging economy.
These guys need to start putting in strict laws like Canada is doing with their people by ordering them to stay home during this crisis and not go out unless they need food / gas / medical supplies.
kyushubill
What is with all this "urging" all the time. Either demand with force of law or keep quiet.
rcch
not really good at math, but... weekend ,s just two days ( against five weekdays ) ... i think it,s gonna take more than two days to slow this thing down... this “request” ( really? ) is just the prelude to the real lockdown coming up in the next few weeks...
Luddite
Where are the constant reminders to wash hands, properly, frequently? Where is the advice telling people to keep two metres apart? What about telling those who can work from home to do so? Stop unnecessary travel? Self quarantine if you have symptoms? Where?
Nothing. The silence is deafening and this inactivity by the authorities will kill people.
TheLongTermer
I dont think being a Japanese politician is all of it, as you might see in the US. Its more like gaiatsu, (outside pressure) When other countries like the US are now in lock down, and such a reaction was very successful in reducing numbers in SG SK and China, Japan is looking very ignorant day by day.
Remember, Abe and Koike both wanted to press forward with the Olympics, like Japan was that special place that got it right. Im not hating on Abe, I think he has handled this well so far, the are Japanese so I expected this reaction.
Chabbawanga
Mirai Hayashi
72 hours is probably the case in most cases, but they have seen the virus survive much longer in some cases, so we must go under the assumption that this virus can spread much more quickly than we originally expected due to the longetivity of its life cycle.
quercetum
She’s a politician and this got her the LDP support for her bid for re-election. Once the Games were postponed, she had to act tough and call for a lock down. It’s a political game testing the wind.
SaikoPhysco
The day after the Olympics were postponed, for some reason the number of cases skyrocketed. Hmmmm.
juminRhee
I think she needs more mics.
gogogo
Too little way way way too late. The blind "The Olympics must go on, everything is okay" will killed many Japanese people... Now that isn't an option you need to "stay home for a month" not a weekend.
jumbo
Those pack trains will be the breeding ground of the virus.
B. Jay
There is nothing new here. Finally they are admitting the reality. Japan had been living a life of lies concerning the corona virus outbreak all in a bid to protect the Olympics. Once the games was postponed, they have now come face to face with the reality and forced to admit it is unpleasant. If they ramp up testing, they know the real situation on the ground.
Mirai Hayashi
Seeing that Japan is a pretty low-touch culture and that public hygiene and general health is extremely good, I do not expect very high numbers of deaths here
Sorry, but this is dumbest thing I have read so far. Have you been on the trains? Its a petri dish for spreading any disease. I guarantee that there is at least one infected person in every car nowadays, and it will get worse if no action is taken.
Secondly, you don't need to touch other people to get infected. You can get infected by touching objects that an infected person has touched, especially smooth surfaced objects like a touch panel. Japan is full of touch panels and if you take a very good look at them, they are filthy and full of oily fingerprints. So don't even give me this "public hygiene is good" crap, because its NOT...its just NOT!!
Flute
@Jeff Ko
As everybody said.
Hospital do not exist for the sole purpose of dealing with covid-19. Meaning all year long they save live. When the hospital start being overflowded with critical patient, the staff end up exhausted and for some contaminated, ... how will they deal with all the patient covid-19 and other ?theFu
Just read that the Princess cruise ship had the virus on surfaces 17 days after the passengers left the cabins. Both symptomatic and asymptomatic passenger cabins were found to have the virus. https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/03/24/coronavirus-diamond-princess-cabin-surfaces-contaminated-cdc-report/2905924001/
William Mirrielees
Jeff Ko
That is such a misnomer. For some that is so true but for many and not just old people, it is proving fatal. You can pick it up and easily contaminate someone who will die from it. That is why so many places in the United States are in lockdown.
William Mirrielees
Wake up, just see what is going on in New York, especially the city. The numbers are doubling every couple of days and they have closed schools, non essential businesses and require social distancing. This virus lives surfaces for up to nine days including your clothes. Today even the Prince Charles has the virus. This not about politics or the Olympics, this is about keeping people alive.
theFu
Read this NYT article. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/magazine/coronavirus-family.html Husband got sick, wife and 16 yr old daughter are providing care. What it is like for a family living with this virus.
It isn't just a bad flu. Reading the article, sounds less like a bad flu and more like a 2-3 week case of mono (mononucleosis) + bad flu.
jleeterion
Scrapping cherry blossom parties like taking hugs away from Italians: Koike
https://japantoday.com/category/national/scrapping-japan-cherry-blossom-'like-taking-hugs-away-from-italians'-tokyo-gov
Jeff Ko
Why is everyone so freaking out? The Coronavirus is no more deadly than a bad seasonal flu in most cases. You guys been watching way too many Walking Dead episodes. This is about as bad as it gets and I hear no news about mass killings or mass starvation, have you? No person ever died due to the lack of toilet paper in the history of mankind! Stay home and play video games or something. Freaking out helps no one, especially yourself.
Luddite
@tora This is not the time to test the waters or urge people to stay at home. That ship sailed weeks ago. Are you too ignoring what is happening elsewhere? Japan has had several weeks warning of what is to come and has done nothing. And now they are still doing nothing, this stupid stay at home
kitts
Hope so. I think they are anxious to "do something" seeing how cities in the US (mainly) are locking down.
blahblah222
Actually Japanese don't have the laws for an enforced lock-down. So lock-down in Japan will not happen like the other countries. Not now, not ever. Really what she's doing right now, "urging" people is already the best that she could do under Japanese law. In terms of Japan government action, I think we have seen as far as they are willing to go.
Nnoah0630
One day after Olympics finally postponed and numbers increase.
Coincidence? I think not.
We all knew this was coming. Only those that aren't living in Japan are still delusional about the country having it under control. Japan is always downplaying crisis when they should actually be addressed.
I'm ready for the lockdown :))
Tora
@Luddite
She's testing the waters. It is mostly young people who are out and about on weekends. She's hoping they will get the message that this is serious.
Doing it on a weekday won't make any difference since everybody at work or school.
I'm guessing this is just to get people in the right frame of mind before the coming lockdown. It will also make it easier to call it, since the excuse will be that people didn't listen and continued to go out when asked nicely not to.
The lockdown is probably coming.
theFu
I feel bad for people in essential jobs who have no choice but to go to work to service the rest of us. WHEN they get COVID-19, may it be recognized quickly, may they self-isolate, quickly, and may their bought with it be mild so they can get back to providing the help for all the rest of us.
We haven't been passed our street in almost 3 weeks. Been making a shopping list for a trip, probably tomorrow. Plan to go early in the morning to avoid as many others. Plus, we are fairly certain NOT to be infected based on our complete lack of symptoms and self-imposed social distancing from the world. We are lucky. I work from home, so pay might slow down as clients need to slow outward payments, but it won't stop.
I'd rather my clients spend that money on keeping their own people at reduced pay for as long as possible. We can easily wait 120+ days for our payment, assuming we do actually get paid, eventually, this year.
Luddite
Only stay at home at weekends? What's the bloody point of that!
blahblah222
Sorry to interrupt, but I have source on an analogue virus to SARS-CoV
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2863430
"At 4°C, infectious virus persisted for as long as 28 days, and the lowest level of inactivation occurred at 20% RH. Inactivation was more rapid at 20°C than at 4°C at all humidity levels; the viruses persisted for 5 to 28 days, and the slowest inactivation occurred at low RH. Both viruses were inactivated more rapidly at 40°C than at 20°C. "
Japanese government was first saying the virus doesn't survive long, then a few hours, then a few days. Japanese government always downplaying this virus have a lot to do with why barely anyone in Japan is taking this virus seriously anymore. MHLW is the absolutely worst source for information, always downplaying the virus such as saying that it cannot spread via aerosol even now (because there's no "evidence" of it occurring "in Japan", as if Japan have some special power that prevents the virus from spreading), better to look to EU/US for up to date information.
On the other hand, how is Tokyo able to determine if there's an overshoot when it allows to test ~100 new persons per day? https://stopcovid19.metro.tokyo.lg.jp/
Japan's government's testing policies (pretty much de facto ban) actually make it impossible for them to identify an "overshoot" when it occurs.
Lukebeston
Seriously, Koike is the last person you should listen to. What she has just said is nothing new. I would say just ignore that woman and keep getting information from experts.
Fuzzy
@mmwkdw
Source? Stuff like this does not help. It just feeds panic. Data I have read, from reputable sources, puts it at 72 hours on plastics, less on most other surfaces.
Paul14
So koike wants Tokyo people to self isolate until April 12th whilst PM Abe wants the schools back in on April 6th? Talk about mixed messages !
As a Tokyo primary school teacher I have zero chance of not catching this virus as at work I spend at least four hours a day in tiny classrooms with up to 40 children all of whom are constantly sneezing and coughing on me. So forgive me if I don't waste my school holiday self isolating if you're going to force me into exposure to the virus again on April 6th. I could be killed in the new school term!
This spring break might be the last holiday I ever get thanks to the utter sxxt show of bad management and reactionary governance.
I'm sorry guys. I'm enjoying my holiday. I'm going outside. I will enjoy the blossom. I'll wear a mask. I'll be careful but I am not spending my possibly last ever holiday stuck indoors.
carpslidy
@since 1971
Good luck, I wotJe
TigersTokyoDome
= Abe was clearly hiding the stats just to save his Olympics.
Jack Smith
It is infuriating how Japan has sat idly by and watched the world begin to burn. How can complacency seem a valid answer when the death toll rises exponentially in developed nations across the world? The arrogance and ignorance displayed here is nothing short of tragic. You can basically treat this scenario as if the general populace has been walking around blind to the spreading infection for weeks.
goldeneagle
I guess it was supposed to happen as the Olympics were postponed.
serendipitous1
No surprise that the most populous city in Japan is the center of Japan's infections.
ListenTheTruth
@Jeff KO, the word you’re looking for is: Exponentially
mmwkdw
Masks will help a little, for the general public, mostly in confidence building, but it's the HealthCare Workers that need them the most, as well as protective covering. The virus can apparently remain upon surfaces for up to 17... yes 17 days! So after you've been shopping in close proximity of your fellow shoppers, maybe worth showering, and washing your clothing.
Some are even saying you should wash your fruit and veg with soap. I wonder if you simply microwaved everything for a few seconds whether that'd help - anyone ?
quercetum
Trump: Just reported that the United States has done far more “testing” than any other nation, by far! In fact, over an eight day span, the United States now does more testing than what South Korea (which has been a very successful tester) does over an eight week span. Great job!
Japan may catch up soon. Let the tests begin!
Tom Doley
Only dictators of communist countries care about their butts more than peoples lives. I really feel sorry for the Japanese people.
Tora
Dust masks (p95 or better is different) don't work to project you from catching it?
But you should wear at least a dust mask or bandana when around anybody else since it will reduce the chances of YOU from infecting others. If EVERYBODY wore a mark or bandana equivalent, it would make a difference.
During this crisis, I think that you shouldn't be even allowed outside without one. It also means you're not going to get punched in the face because people feel nervous just being around a maskless person.
mmwkdw
No one has any faith in what the Government says, especially after 2011/03... Back then most of the population were holed up indoors watching online radiation counters... and the TV for news.... shop shelves were also bare.
mmwkdw
Supermarket Shelves are bare now. Still long queues at 2330hrs. Good Luck folks!
GW
Said it a number of days ago the GOVT was\is playing roulette with their own people.
And now that the Olympics are officially NOT happening this summer & NOW all the concern....WTF.... the govt's deception is\will get people KILLED & to boot has made men\women on the street carriers that infect family, co-workers, fellow commuters...….and some of these people will die...…
And of course NO ACCOINTABILITY......as is per usual, this could get super ugly, hope not but it might!
quercetum
The population in the Tokyo Metropolitan area is 37.4 million. The city itself has 8.3 million. 41 is low. Strict conditions to qualify for tests is a factor but with the Olympics postponed, this should change.
u_s__reamer
Kono Taro was criticized for starting the katakana vocabulary such as cluster or overshoot as the elderly have no idea what these words mean.
The Japanese authorities discovered long ago the wheeze of wrapping themselves in an inky cloud of unintelligible terms to report bad news, employing as many 外来語 as they can get away with. English derived katakana are a perfect means to hide, obfuscate, or lessen the emotional impact of nasty, shocking, embarrassing events and situations, and by sprinkling their "explanations" with an assortment of foreign words they can handily disguise the fubars and murky dealings of officials and their culpability. Once the Olympics were called off, it was inevitable and predictable that attention would immediately be given to the dreaded rising numbers that had been brushed under the rug. We remember that the very same avoidance mentality led to the catastrophe of 1945. Plus ça change, innit?
Vinke
@Jeff Ko
41, officially. Other countries are testing way more than Japan. Tokyo, the city alone, then again has way more people than some countries. Do the math.
quercetum
At AEON’s My Basket now on a quiet Wednesday night and there’s a line of 21 people in this small corner grocery store. People are stocking up.
Realization
Every country has some political showpiece, she wish to prove it.
Jeff Ko
41 new is nothing; other countries are posting 1000+ a day. Stay home, spend time with loved ones but do not panic and be thankful that you are in one of the safest place in the world.
TheLongTermer
Yeah more bizarre logic. They invested so much for "you" so thats the priority, your health? daijobu. If you got sick, well your dream of coming to Japan was fulfilled, Lets make it a memory.
I reach a wall sometimes trying to understand Japanese. Like, most would conclude a trip to Japan and Olympic experience would forever be tainted by a few weeks in intensive care, but for them, thats all secondary. Upmost importance is team Japan, and your memory of wonderful Tokyo and the grand stadium they built for us.
therougou
Are you denying that more people are out and about now (and not wearing masks as much)? You don't think it is possible the government saw the same thing we saw - that people were getting complacent? Did you not read that Tokyo had their highest daily spike in infections? All of these are much more likely reasons for the change in tone than your Olympics conspiracy theory.
rgcivilian1
Does anyone have a real timeframe on when masks will be available in plenty of supply vs the 1 package per day that runs out in about 15 minutes and standing in a line with 50 or more people everyday?
Moderator do you have any specific information to share with us?
Tora
@quercetum
My understanding of Overshoot = inability of hospital infrastructure to handle a sudden increase in admissions.
I.e. a sudden increase in patients overwhelms the hosptial system.
Agreed, this katakana nonsense has to stop. And, as you can see, we don't even use it in English!
Who makes these things up?
SJ
@TheLongTermer
It is very clear to me. The real reason of the low number of tests is the traditional bureaucratic selfishness of Japan: the Japan Medical Association (Nihon Ishi Kai, JMA). The JMA de facto monopolies the Japanese medical industry. The JMA considers that coronavirus mass testing would require a lot of sacrifice of Japanese doctors, but is not profitable at all (virtually no money to doctors). In TV, doctors from the JMA say mass test is not useful in preventing the spread disease, because they know very well that they will be overwhelmed by the tests, but without any profit. It is all about money. This kind of nonsensical propaganda of the JMA has been successful in brainwashing naive Japanese. The JMA and the NIID do not care of Japanese, but only themselves. This is why the number of tests and deaths is so low but the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare, under influence of the NIID and the JMA, have suppressed it. Remember that this kind of bureaucratic selfishness once started the Pacific war (WWII), destroying the entire Japan. Let's see what the SARS-CoV-2 strain combined with the JMA under another bureaucratic regime of the LDP will do after the postponement of the Olympic.
More info in Japanese:
https://togetter.com/li/1476075
http://eritokyo.jp/independent/aoyama-731orgf3.htm
https://www.hokeni.org/docs/2017040500726/
Dauerwelle
Don’t Japan executives see what’s happening in Europe just to name one region. If not already too late, now is the time to step up and take more drastic measures than to kindly advise people to consider not to go out. Countries in current lockdown regret that they didn’t call for it more early. It’s happening anyway.
Kumagaijin
I've been telling everyone to wear masks and be careful for two months now.
Fuzzy
@CraneToday
Are you speaking from personal experience here? I'm curious because the "anti-testers" on this site and the J-Gov want us to believe that testing is bad because going to a medical facility to get tested will result in more infections.
Rosalind Harris
Everyone I know is expecting a big jump in reported cases now the Olympics are postponed.
...Also worth noting, that although it seems to be a requirement for taking time off work or getting a COVID-19 test, you can have it without having a fever. Read a news story yesterday about a pregnant woman with difficulty breathing and fatigue who went to the hospital multiple times over a week and a half before they thought to test her for coronavirus because she had no fever. She was positive.
Ah_so
Absolutely. A point that is not made enough - infections are likely to not be reported due to social judgement on infectees and victim blaming.
Britlover
They risked the international communities health. Come to japan, it’s safe. When they knew it wasn’t. That IMO is unforgivable.
Reese
China, the gift that keeps on giving.
smithinjapan
Told ya! Yesterday it's confirmed Olympics will be postponed, and this woman, who literally up to the postponement decision said everything was A-okay, is now saying not to go outside or attend events with lots of people, etc. I guess where we see most politicians' priorities were until now.
Silvafan
I know some people from countries where their country is now on lockdown. Their airports are too! Apparently, they can't even return to their home country at the moment. They are stuck in Japan.
The only people who can help them is their embassy, but I am not sure what they can do!
ListenTheTruth
@Da, no, at no point did I mention the current hiatus. I referred specifically to GW week being stopped. Not CM AKA Coronavirus Month(s).
quercetum
Kono Taro was criticized for starting the katakana vocabulary such as cluster or overshoot as the elderly have no idea what these words mean. Why not use Japanese it was said. Same reaction, what the hell is an overshoot?
o-baa-shyuuto desu ne.
Hiding the real numbers desu ne.
philly1
Yeah, I never understood the toilet paper thing. Most Japanese have a washlet to wash and dry their nether regions. Most cringe and argue vehemently against using paper because it is "unsanitary."
Some who have the virus have diarrhea and the virus also travels that way. So more super cleaning if you do.
Two symptoms I heard from a doctor yesterday were the loss of taste and of smell. Dry cough is symptomatic, Bungle. Shut it down and stay home until you recover or are tested and know for sure. In contrast, sneezing and wet cough are symptomatic of allergies and colds. Sometimes other flu.
DaDude
You are suggesting Japan to take away vacation from my current coronavirus vacation?
oldman_13
Good luck with that.
As we have seen, people around the world have been ignoring stay at home and social distancing guidelines.
ListenTheTruth
STOP GW NOW. Stop domestic flights NOW. STOP the spread of COVID-19 in Japan.
TheLongTermer
You left out the part about blame
Toasted Heretic
I don't particularly want a lockdown as it will cripple me financially.
But. I don't want to see a crisis like the scenarios in Italy, Iran, US etc.
So I'll prepare for the worst and hopefully be pleasantly surprised when all this is over.
Do the hustle
Urge! How many infections and deaths will it take for Japan to get proactive and ‘order’ people to stay home? The amount doubled today + tomorrow + a week + a month. Stay home and stay safe people of Japan. The government is hopeless!
Bjorn Tomention
Many people have it , some show symptoms, some show bad symptoms, some show really bad symptoms, its just that many it wont affect too much, so they wont bother getting checked and if they do the chances of convincing a hospital to test are slim to none.,
But ...
Not happy and still want to know where do i submit the bill to for the damage done by Chinas leaders
Do not ever ever again let this happen, next time just shut down the god damn place nothing out of china next time until its cured.
DaDude
Not sure where you are but toilet paper is all over the place now where I am at.
Ty Crane
They make you go through loopholes after loopholes to get test.. you have to go through consultation, chest x-ray at your local hospital, and then another consultation to recommend the test in order to qualify... People aren't going to do all that..
Don't even get me started on the social judgement that oh so many here are afraid of if they do test positive..
It will get a whole lot worse until it gets better because Japan is so good at not taking matters seriously until it's a complete disaster..
kurisupisu
How do we know what we see on the news is real or not?
Is the infection really spreading?
Well, I personally know 2 Japanese people with the virus-just heard today.
One case of infection was a son to both parents, a returnee from England.
The other female was infected locally, most likely by a Japanese but no way of knowing for sure.
My loca hospital has had several cases I have heard about from medical staff.
So, it appears to be virulent and infectious as we all see.
I have a sore throat and a mild cough but no temperature- feel it is just getting started,
I’m hoping 6000 mgs of vit C a day will make life uncomfortable for it and it will take a hike...
Fuzzy
And what the hell is with this "overshoot" crap they made up? Overshooting what? Your planned trajectory? Call it what it is, call it what the rest of the world is calling it... exponential growth.
Fuzzy
This article has changed a little since the first posts. Seeing it now with that picture of Koike infuriates me. So shameful. So blatant. How do people like her live with themselves.
TheLongTermer
@Tora,
Yes very Japanese way. Gaijin are expected to understand Japanese anyhow, unless its the Olympics of course, then all kinds of silly hoop jumping is going to show their making efforts at being international.
Fukushima repeat...nothing changes. Take notes, it will all happen again, patterns and trends.
Tora
@Bungle
I was talking to friend of mine about this today. I reckon you should contact your embassy to report you may have coronavirus and have no way of finding out. I would recommend all non-japanese who have symptoms to do likewise.
The reason is that you may get really ill, man. No help is going to come from the Japan side.
Hopefully you are fine.
Fuzzy
@carpslidy
I'm sorry to hear this is affecting your livelihood (you too @since1981). It's a difficult situation with no good answer. There will be many amongst us soon facing similar situations. A lockdown will be devastating for the economy, no doubt. But what happens if we don't take extreme measures? At some point people will decide for themselves to stay home (out of fear) and then the economy suffers anyway and we're left with a humanitarian crisis on top. I don't want a lockdown, but I I believe it it is inevitable. I'd like to believe taking precautions will be enough, but I worry it's too late for that now. Like I said, there is no "good" solution here. We're left with trying to decide which decision is less bad.
Tora
@Miki
This announcement came at around 740pm, give or take. NHK announced exactly what Koike was going to say at 720 or so.
Both are requests, and announceed almost in unison, a very japanese way of doing things. Koike spoke in very polite Japanese with no imperative at all. It was like: please co-operate and do your best to not go out this weekend if at all possible.
Likewise for the government call upon people to refrain from unnecessary travel overseas. Not a command.
That's it. No sense of crisis! So in other words, business as usual.
TheLongTermer
hmmm, mixed thoughts on that. I dont think foreigners will be in the mood to come here anytime soon, and I dont want to suggest that the blame the gaijin hysteria will start. Hard to say, as the numbers are confusing. Growing like mad in NYC, but Germany its low. I dont know whats going on in Japan. No testing? Cover ups? Culture? Or is something on the horizon. Dont know.
RA
I think Mr Abe was only waiting for Olympics and as it’s postponed he must take some hard decisions towards Coronavirus...as it’s spreading quite rapidly here in Japan.
MikaTakara
This is because the Japanese government has been LYING to us about the true counts. It was always much higher but the Jgov was under pressure to keep it hidden because of the Olympics!
Yeah right and the US Army brought Covid19 to Wuhan.
Chip Star
You said this about infection rates and now just swapped out infraction dates for deaths. Smooth.
spinningplates
Oh look! A wave...
Olympics postponed, now we can get to the truth. Koike announcing 'soft' lock down of Tokyo tonight.
The Government has a LOT to answer for.
Tora
@Disillusioned
Zero, mate. We'll know about those in about 2 weeks, and only if they are tested. There is a lag. But don't bet on them being tested.
Instead be very concerned about 11 positives today who are associated with a hosptial in central Tokyo. I really hope they haven't infected the entire hosptial. That is exactly what happened in Italy.......
carpslidy
@since1981
Yes, we have had a misunderstanding
I am in the same boat, I own a small business and am suffering a lot like you.
I am very afraid of the economic consequences of this virus, a lot less on the health risks.
I truely believe by taking precautions there is no need to close the economy down.
Thus to those demanding we lockdown I say they are grossly over exaggerating the risks, while willfully ignoring the serious effect this is having right now on our financial stability.
MikaTakara
q) And, how many of those cases do you think are related to those thousands of idiots who spent the weekend in parks looking at cherry blossoms?
a) None, since NHK is reporting most came from hospital and returnee from Overseers
By the way, How are things down under mate? Here is an interesting story from Aus:
Coronavirus: How did Australia's Ruby Princess cruise debacle happen?
Almost 2,700 passengers - some coughing and spluttering - were allowed to leave the ship at Sydney Harbour, catching trains, buses and even overseas flights to get home.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51999845
Idiots indeed.
Tora
@Towingtheline
You can but wish upon a star.
Tora
Koike was just live on TV live at 8pm to give emergency address to say exactly what NHK announced she'd say during the 7pm evening news:
"I request Tokyo people refrain from going out this weekend unless necessary"
A request, eh. Looking forward to going go a live house and K-1 match this weekend.
Recently, I feel like Alice, in Wonderland.
Mirai Hayashi
This is because the Japanese government has been LYING to us about the true counts. It was always much higher but the Jgov was under pressure to keep it hidden because of the Olympics!
ListenTheTruth
Stop domestic flights. NOW.
since1981
Apologies for the typos in my last post.
rgcivilian1
Just wondering is this the right time now to panic and go to the store to buy a box of masks?
since1981
@carpslidy, perhaps we have a misunderstanding. Though fatalities are a terrible thing, I’m worried about my company going bankrupt. All my family and friends losing their jobs, their homes, etc. I have yet to SEE Abe’s plan to offer assistance to help businesses big and small from closures. People are already hoarding all the food in stores. My wife went to pick up some daily foods and she said many selves were already empty.
i am confident many around me will survive medically as we are taking all the necessary precautions. But my bank account will only last so long. My wife and I are private business owners we run by ourselves, no staff (luckily). We have two companies. Mine is still hanging in their but as hers business is based on people traveling, she has already lose 95% of her work. As for me, I’m hoping my plan B works.
TheLongTermer
Things could get interesting if it gets into ryojin homes and prisons here
WilliB
Seeing that Japan is a pretty low-touch culture and that public hygiene and general health is extremely good, I do not expect very high numbers of deaths here. What I want to know is, if I ever see toilet paper on the shelves here. This is ony aspect I don´t understand. It is not like this is a diarrhea pandemic now, or is it?
carpslidy
@since 1971
I repeat, @carpslidy; "grossly over exaggerated" (in reference to a previous article)
Thank you for the regular call outs.
Wash your hands, stay home if sick and it will pass.
The fatality rate has not jumped, hospitals still fine, so I haven't changed my mind.
TheLongTermer
I asked a Japanese about the hanami and they said daijobu....you cant catch the corona outside
Blattamexiguus
testing and social distancing should have been the norm here weeks ago.
Expect a rapid rise in numbers now that protecting the Olympics are not a factor
Disillusioned
And, how many of those cases do you think are related to those thousands of idiots who spent the weekend in parks looking at cherry blossoms?
towingtheline
The lockdown is coming...
Bjorn Tomention
Weekend locked down. But Monday go to work as normal
since1981
I repeat, @carpslidy; "grossly over exaggerated" (in reference to a previous article)
TheLongTermer
Still confused on the Japan strategy, but this is Japan, its supposed to be confusing
ListenTheTruth
Oh, now there’s no Olympics WHAT a surprise! Not.
Brian Wheway
I am afraid that this is the tip of an iceberg for Japan, its just about to kick off, its had a few weeks to incubate with us the hosts unknowingly passing it around, and they have passed it on to, now its starting to develop and show its head, just be ready,
quercetum
In Japan, we must stop the tests that are causing the infections. That is what a commentator just said on TV. He said infected people going to get tested infects more people.
Read between the lines: some think the infected should just quietly suffer at home to prevent it a spike in the graph. Take one for the team sort of speak.
Why not fight and tackle the virus straight on?
Fuzzy
So predictable. For weeks we are told there is no problem. One day before Olympics officially postponed we are told a lockdown may become necessary in the future. The day of the postponement, we are told people have become complacent and need to be more careful. The day following the postponement the numbers suddenly start to rise. AND on TV tonight they are using the emergency alert system to tell people in Tokyo to stay home this weekend and not travel overseas.
Kumagaijin
Everyday on Instagram I see these large get togethers acting as if Japan has already defeated the covid-19 virus. Sad.
BNiigata
Japan's current testing capacity is 7,500/ day, a figure that is expected to rise to 8,000 by the end of the month. The average number of tests administered daily during March is under 1,900. Starting to see the effects of complacency on the part of many here.
Spitfire
GW,
Great post.
GW
Hope somehow the numbers don't take off but...……..
Just want to get this SOB over so the world can start getting back to normal again
The world needs to be better prepared for the next as this is going to KEEP happening over time, mother nature & mankind's modes of travel will ensure repeats of this kind of thing
Kyle
People are not thinking seriously about this virus. Lots are outside as normal. 6500 at that K-1 event at Saitama Super Arena and all those people out for Hanami!! The flowers will come back next year people!!! They are also taking masks for granted. The mask help, but ARE NOT %100 EFFECTIVE.
TedSales
They must finally be starting to test people. About time.