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Very painful. I have seen programs about that day. So many woman and children killed.

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The first atom bomb over Hiroshima was a uranium bomb, and this one over Nagasaki was a plutonium bomb. The USA felt the need to show the Russians that Hiroshima was not just a one-off, and that there were more available. That was apparently part of the political reason at the time, @vanityofvanities.

A most terrible weapon which should never ever be used again anywhere.

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I hope world wars were just a phase in history. Modern nuclear weapons are so much more powerful than the ones used on Japan that dropping them on about 10 cities will cause enough smoke to start a nuclear winter that will wipe out the human species.

12 ( +12 / -0 )

My wife and I visited the Peace Museum in Nagasaki. We had just begun looking at the exhibits when two large bus loads of high-school students arrived. We were packed in with the students like sardines! Just as we thought that it was going to be difficult to view the exhibits the students were gone! They were there for 5-10 mins at a stretch. Mrs Agent translated some of the things she over-heard the students saying, things like "This didn't really happen, right?" and "What they are showing us here is not real, right?"

11 ( +15 / -4 )

The hope is that nuclear weapons will not be used again. The 2nd atomic war could finish off the human race.

11 ( +13 / -2 )

We must never forget the horrors of the past or were doomed to repeat them.

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Randy Johnson

And as the koreans say to the japanese, never!

10 ( +22 / -12 )

As should also be clearly remembered why Japan suffered the consequence of the bombs

William77

If I am not mistaken, this would imply that you are still (in this day and age) justifying the world’s biggest massacre committed within minutes, oh, and committed twice within a week. Proves why the ceremony would need to be held for decades, if not centuries to come.

10 ( +13 / -3 )

As the japanese say to the koreans, get over it.

Randy Johnson

Missing the point (as usual?)

There is a difference between condemning the crime and the person

“Get over it” appears to carry a wholly different meaning (lacking the depth needed) when used by you

9 ( +15 / -6 )

As the japanese say to the koreans, get over it.

To copy-paste what I said in a previous article, Japan has a reminder for WWII once a year. South Korea has a reminder for it once a week. The Japanese don’t demand the U.S. for compensation every year, post children’s drawings of the U.S. being nuked, break into the U.S. embassy, refuse to refuel American cars, or whatever else from coffee’s long list of grievances by the Koreans.

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Sadly, it seems that many countries are increasing their nuclear capabilities. Even when countries like Iran (that don't even have nukes) agree to stall development, Israel (which keeps its nuclear arsenal secret) lobbies the US gov to throw out such agreements.

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Americans say it was necessary to put an end to the war. That cannot explain the second bombing.

7 ( +14 / -7 )

There is no way the US forces would consider a land invasion.

'Hell To Pay' Sheds New Light On A-Bomb Decision

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122591119

The US Government wanted unconditional surrender, complete capitulation, no less.

The use of weapons of mass destruction, dropped from above in hours, minutes, was the short answer.

The political message to the then USSR, well that for historians to figure out.

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under Abe, Japan became and arms dealer, in contravention of these anniversaries. You can't ask to stop war if you instead start selling for it

5 ( +14 / -9 )

This is false. The Japanese government can ask the US to leave at any time

They can ask but to no avail unless the occupier agrees.

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Americans say it was necessary to put an end to the war. That cannot explain the second bombing.

Here’s the explanation. The Japanese rejected the surrender ultimatum of July 26. President Truman promised a “rain of ruin”* from the air until such time that the unconditional surrender demand was met. It was not met after the Hiroshima bombing. Hence the Nagasaki bombing.

*Perhaps the Japanese authorities thought that President Truman’s speech was hyperbolic. I think not. Memory of the fire bombing of Tokyo and other cities was still very fresh and more targets of such bombing were available. Unfortunately, the decision making process seems to have broken down. To his credit, whatever his motive, the Emperor had the clarity to seize an opportunity to end the war that saved lives on both sides.

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Rest in peace to the souls lost, may they be remembered, God bless them.

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The USA felt the need to show the Russians that Hiroshima was not just a one-off, and that there were more available.

The Soviets already knew a lot about the atomic bomb program from sympathetic agents in the program. My guess is that they also knew what the production schedule was: 1 per month.

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We should never sign such a disadvantage treaty. Mayor is delusional. We are surrounded by 3 hostile nations that has nukes and not to mention every year like to celebrate by insulting and threated us with the nukes and make propaganda films.

No matter how much we deny it, strength rule the world. The US is where it is because it has nukes. Without power, you have no say on the world stage. Talking without any bites is useless. You are just considered prey and easy target for nations to bully you. Just a month ago, China threaten to nuke us over Taiwan.

And the fact is that most nuclear nations are not toning down on their arsenal but instead are increasing it. So why would we ever sign a treaty that put us in a situation where we can be turn to dust but aren't allow to counter attack with similar weapons? Signing such a disadvantage will just bind us when instead what we need is to be flexible and able to adapt according to the situation of the world. If a enemy hit you, you hit back. It's a reasonable logic.

In our enemies eyes. we are a joke and aren't even taken seriously if it weren't for the US troops station here.

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But at the end of the day, would it have been moral to allow more than 100,000 American, British, Australian, Canadian, New Zealand prisoners of war die instead of dropping those two bombs that ended the war sooner?

Yes, They are soldiers and prepared should not be compared to completely unarmed civilians. Stop excuse

that ending war sooner. After all, the very only last condition for Japan to surrender was kept and still is

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I stare at the photo , a nation that's constitution is devoted to peace, and wonder if I was to ask any of those school children teenagers, the historic circumstance that lead up to such devastate, the scale of the horror.

Would they even comprehend the question?

The question is does the education system bring clarity?

I just don't believe it does.

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Setting the conspiracy theories aside, there is many remaining questions how US entered the war.

Caught off guard: why didn’t America see Pearl Harbor coming?

https://www.historyextra.com/period/second-world-war/pearl-harbor-advance-knowledge-conspiracy-theory-debunked-did-america-predict-attack-date-day/

I suggest reflect on the final outcome, Nagasaki - Hiroshima.

Lets not forget the death toll on the civilian population could be considered in twenty first century legislative analogy as a war crime.

The context is a political mine field.

Which brings the debate back to education. There has to be a learning process.

Future generations must be aware of the historical facts. How those facts are presented is another debate.

Will the Government China, Russia, North Korea learn?

What do you think?

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One has to wonder why the Americans didn't drop the first bomb somewhere off the coast of the Izu peninsular, so that the flash and the mushroom cloud could be clearly seen from Tokyo but almost nobody would have been killed? At the same time the Japanese could have been told the next bomb will be on a city unless you surrender within a given time period. Such a process would have stopped any accusations of a war crime, and probably prevented the necessity for the nuclear annihilation of innocent civilians that actually took place.

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As a last resort I would strongly recommend to throw all the nuclear weapons and the worst pages of history books just into the trash can and forget them. Instead of those, you’d really better begin to care about presence and future problems to be solved.

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@phantomagent, It makes me wounder what do they actually teach in schools, ( history dept) are Japanese children taught about the bombings? pherhaps so if they are dashing, sorry visiting the museum, cant children understand the importance, misery, devastation and death that was unleashed on Aug 9th 76 years ago. is it still revenant to teach kids about the bombing, should we let it slip into the anuls of history? I wounder what Mrs Agent really thought of the kids?

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Americans say it was necessary to put an end to the war. That cannot explain the second bombing.

It was to end the war but another reason was to test the bomb. It's not either to end the war or to test the bomb. It is both. There is enough evidence to support both views.

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@Falco

The Japanese don’t demand the U.S. for compensation every year,

How can Japan demand a compensation from the US? It was Japan that started the war against the US with an unprovoked surprise attack without a declaration of war. The consequence of war is entirely responsible by Japan.

Japan was the aggressor, not a victim.

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The practice of non-violence in thought, word and action remains vital for an ethically sound world-building. Thus wrote Mahatma Gandhi: “Has not the atom bomb proved the futility of all violence?”

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@. Randy, Iron:

War is a regrettable thing but such is the human condition.

And if the universe is universal, we do not want advanced aliens coming our way.

But it actually might make humans partner up for the good and saving of our species.

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@Samit Basu

How can Japan demand a compensation from the US? It was Japan that started the war against the US with an unprovoked surprise attack without a declaration of war. The consequence of war is entirely responsible by Japan.

Yeah...just like so many others here, complete ignorance of the details of HISTORY but so well versed in the LIES used to cover up one's own sins. In a few words, the USS WARD, a destroyer patrolling outside Pearl Harbor did, at 0530 (that's A.M.), open fire on a nonaggressive Japanese miniature submarine, hit it, killed its crew and sank it (it was found just recently). The Japanese RETALIATED at 0745 (again, A.M.), two hours and 15 minutes LATER attacking a sleeping base that was SETUP for an attack by the pathological Roosevelt and his Washington cronies to enable him to send young Americans to, once again, be slaughtered in Europe against the wishes of the American People. It was the THIRD time the trick had been pulled to suck the American People into WAR after the USS MAINE and the RMS LUSITANIA. The trick would be used two more times after as The Gulf of Tonkin Incident and 9/11. Learn to read and you might learn some truths...

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Yes, Japanese children are taught about the atomic bombings in history class. They learned that it happened, but there are never connections drawn to the actual reasons the bombings happened: Japan’s rape of Asia and its fanatical insistence on fighting to the last person. The atomic bombs persuaded most in positions of power to realize Japanese people faced near extinction had Japan not surrendered.

Rape of Asia? Is this some kind of complaint from rapists to Japan for touching their game?

So all those rape victims in Asia invited an ex-rapist in 1955 at Bandung Conference celebrating independence from Western Powers?

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The atomic bombs **didn't win the war – the Soviets did **(again).

The Soviet Army is the Ally that easily paid the greatest price in blood to defeat Germany, wiping out a significant number of their forces at Stalingrad and then by exploiting the cruel Russian winter. Germany was a fatally-wounded military force after that encounter.

Early in the war, the Soviets negotiated a peace treaty(!) with Japan so they would not have to fight a war on two fronts. But, after the German surrender, the Soviets broke the treaty, declared war, and invaded Manchuria (including two small islands), crushing an elite Japanese army stationed there and seizing vast, logistically very-difficult territory at breakneck speed. The Soviets were now poised to attack Japan from the west, a trivial distance away across the Sea of Japan. And it was very obvious that they would very quickly do it, using no international forces other than their own.

Now, Japan realized that it was finally doomed. They had no mainland forces left to counter the Soviet juggernaut, and no way to defend against the coming invasion. Now, they had to either surrender to the Allies, or to risk having to surrender entirely to the Soviets.

When dozens of Japanese cities were now being bombed into oblivion every single night, the fact that two of them were destroyed in one blast was only slightly interesting. The Japanese war councils did not meet to discuss it – but they did immediately convene to discuss the new Soviet-driven reality.

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“If Japan was to be blamed, what would happen to the responsibilities of the West which continued that inhumane domination and exploitation of us?”

Prime Minister of Malaysia – Mahathil Mohammad

 

“At the San Francisco Peace Conference, why did Asia want Japan to be free again? It was because Japan was the only country Asia could trust. We should never forget how the people of Asia, who hoped for their independence find sympathy with the Japanese ideal”

Prime Minister of Sri Lanka – Junius Jayewardene

 

“There is no country that contributed more to Asia than Japan did. And there is no country that is more misunderstood than Japan is. It was the Japanese who freed us from the white domination. The true friend of independent Burma was General Tojo and Japan.”

Ba Maw Prime minister of Burma

 

“The Japanese did nothing to us that they have to apologize for. This is the reason that we do not attend the San Francisco Pease Conference, and refuse to sign on its Peace Treaty.”

Jawaharlal Nehru  The first Prime Minister of Independent India

 

“The reason that Indonesia was able to win its independence from Netherland is that the same colored Asian of the Japanese had fought that much and that gave us confidence that we could do the same。”

Prime Minister of Indonesia - Sukarno

 

“why do you apologize? It was a wonderful thing that Japan did in that war. you Japanese who are no bigger than us Malays chased away the big British men.  Without Japan there would have been no independence for South East Asia. To deny this priceless sacrifice that Japan made is like looking only in the rear view mirror”. 

Malaysian foreign minister – Ghazali Shafie

 

“That war was really our war. We should fought it ourselves. But we put everything on the Japan’s shoulders. And that plunged her into almost total destruction. I’m sorry”

Minister of Information of Indonesia, also an Indonesian Military leader against Netherland

 ― Bung Tomo

0 ( +4 / -4 )

I don't understand this memorials while, in the meantime, you haven't signed the Non Proliferation Treaty and you stockpiling US bombs.

It's a great Dystonia that doesn't make you credible.

-1 ( +7 / -8 )

Mask use?

-1 ( +0 / -1 )

Brian, we just wondered what preparation the kids were given before being whisked through the museum!

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I learned that when you understand history, you have to see it through the eyes of that point in time.

If you look at history from the present point of view, it is said that it changes with the times.

Now, the world knows about the dangers of the atomic bomb and the secondary damage of radioactivity, but I think that no one knew about the dangers well until the US dropped the atomic bomb at that time.

In fact, General Marshall of the United States asked if it was safe to land the American base two hours after the atomic bomb was dropped.

If you knew the difference in power between the nuclear test in the plains and the actual completed atomic bomb in the city center, this is a question that you cannot possibly ask.

And I think that the delay in the actual surrender of Japan is to blame due to corruption within the Japanese military and factional politics such as the Emperor.

In fact, the Japanese military reported to the Emperor the damage from the first atomic bomb, saying, "There is no significant damage" said.

Until then, it must be said that the military was pursuing their own path, regardless of the lives of the people.

If you look at the record that the Japanese army learned of the Japanese navy's invasion of Pearl Harbor the day before the invasion, you can see how much they played separately.

Corrupt politics are so dangerous and the people are invisible.

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@itsonlyrocknroll

how US entered the war.

The US entered the war because Japan attacked the Pearl Harbor unprovoked on December 7th, 1941?

Japan started the Pacific War, get this fact straight.

Heck, German embassy in Japan makes it clear on the anniversary of Nagasaki bombing who was responsible, Japanese nationalism and militarism.

https://twitter.com/GermanyinJapan/status/1424551822623055872

Stop denying Japanese responsibility for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan was solely responsible because

1) Japan started the WW2 against the US by launching an an unprovoked attack, causing the death of 3,000 US servicemen and civilians.

2) Furthermore, Japanese leadership refused the surrender even after the battle of Okinawa and it was clear the war was lost. Had Japan surrendered after the battle of Okinawa, millions of Japanese lives would have been saved.

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Samit BasuAug. 9  11:29 pm JST

@Falco

The Japanese don’t demand the U.S. for compensation every year,

How can Japan demand a compensation from the US? It was Japan that started the war against the US with an unprovoked surprise attack without a declaration of war. The consequence of war is entirely responsible by Japan.

You are just not getting it. Read his post again

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kennyGAug. 10  06:00 pm JST

That is a great list of quotes from leaders of various countries.

Would you have any in the similar vein from Chinese, Taiwanese, and Koreans?

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…MCA!

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The memories of the innocent civilians died there should always be remembered and respected.

As should also be clearly remembered why Japan suffered the consequence of the bombs and who started the war and made other million innocent people around Asia suffer.

History can’t be revised and no countries,especially from the agressor side should play the victim card as it the bomb was magically dropped by an evil power without any reasons.

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The Japanese Army and Navy both had programmes to develop a nuclear bomb, but were handicapped by a lack of uranium, even with support from Germany. Does anyone have any doubt that if they had managed to complete and produce one or two, they would not have hesitated to use it?

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Did Japan ever have a vision of peace in the build up to the atomic bombings.

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“But, at that time, we chose it by ourselves. It is not Japan invaded our land. Our ancestors chose it. If we had chosen Qing Dynasty that soon perished, we would have had more chaos on the peninsula. If we had chosen Russia that soon got overturned, we would have had the entire peninsula turned to a communist country. It might not be the best but if we were to chose, I valued choosing Japan as second best.”

President of Korea Chunghee Park

 

“I was born in a family of a very poor farmer and so I could never dreamed of going to school. I was a Japanese official who persuaded my parents to send me to primary school. And it was a Japanese teacher who recommended me to the Japanese Army War College. The reason I am here today is because of the compulsory education system they introduced, and because of the clean and honest Japanese people”

President of Korea Chunghee Park

 

“As far as I can see from these official records, I don’t understand why Japan has to be accused of enslaving Korea. If it was enslaving, the Britain is guilty of accomplice and the US guilty of accessory. All that Japan did to Korea was legally conducted as an ally of Britain. They were in accordance with the international rules and the highest code of conducts of that time. Not only that, there rules and codes were not set up by the Japanese, but they were set up by the West, especially Britain.”

A US historian – Helen Mears

 

“In Asia, there was Japan. But in Arabs, there is no Japan”

President of Egypt – Jamal Abd Al-Nasir 

Basically it gets Endless. But so far I did not find any of Chinese leaders. As for Taiwanese, very old Taiwanese citizens are all missing their old good Japanese days , which is too obvious and too many to introduce here.

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P. SmithToday  05:14 pm JST

It makes me wounder what do they actually teach in schools, ( history dept) are Japanese children taught about the bombings? 

Yes, Japanese children are taught about the atomic bombings in history class. They learned that it happened, but there are never connections drawn to the actual reasons the bombings happened: Japan’s rape of Asia and its fanatical insistence on fighting to the last person. The atomic bombs persuaded most in positions of power to realize Japanese people faced near extinction had Japan not surrendered.

Simple. The purpose of education in history lessons is not brainwashing kids like you are

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@Xulux

The beautiful Japan and its people we know today are anything but similar to those of 1945.

Are they though?..

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@William Bjorson

the USS WARD, a destroyer patrolling outside Pearl Harbor did, at 0530 (that's A.M.), open fire on a nonaggressive Japanese miniature submarine

Duh, this combat action took place WITHIN US territorial water. The US absolutely had the right to sink it, especially when it was aiming for a torpedo launch against a US freighter.

-3 ( +4 / -7 )

Samit Basu,

No country, people can just deny the realities of war, and the atrocities committed.

Denial of the facts the Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service inflicted is undisputed.

The politics is another matter..

Pearl Harbor military inconvenience, political disaster

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2539091

Samit Basu, there is no binary outcome here, people die, civilians, families men, women and children.

there is no disputing that fact.

The Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service must and should be held accountable.

How far does the whip lash?

How many decades?

Education, full reality of historic events within a classroom environment is the answer.

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@bradley

The inability of some people to show empathy and to downplay what is obviously the source of such great pain to the Japanese people

A bit hard to show empathy towards people who themselves don't show much empathy towards others, don't you think?

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Lets not forget the death toll on the civilian population could be considered in twenty first century legislative analogy as a war crime.

This is true. Tens of thousands of Japanese civilians had the skin flayed from their bones, and the lucky ones also had their bones vaporized. People going to work, the supermarket, and school.

The US entered the war because Japan attacked the Pearl Harbor unprovoked on December 7th, 1941?

Japan started the Pacific War, get this fact straight.

This is also true. Japan were the ones who initiated this all, resulting in the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. So it's Japan's fault that the bombings happened, for they wouldn't have happened if Japan hadn't started the war. And it's America's fault that thousands of civilians were executed in what should have been a war crime, as these civilians wouldn't have died if America hadn't made the decision to execute them.

Neither country's actions excuses the other's. They are both deplorable and a shame on both nations.

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XuluxAug. 9  09:34 pm JST

People who ask, Why did the US bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki, are asking the wrong question.

The more historically pertinent question is, Why did the US stop with Nagasaki?

The revisionists execrate the atomic bombs but forget the multitude of incendiary bombings, particularly in Tokyo that were cumulatively equally as deadly and destructive, but without the effects of radiation (which at the time was basically unknown).

Japanese leadership wanted to maintain fighting even after the Hiroshima bombing (the argument that this was an indiscriminate bombing was never true since Japan's industrial build-up had spread into residential neighborhoods).

I read post after post throughout these forums about how Suga and other Japanese government officials lied to get the Olympics to go forward; just imagine how the leadership of WWII-era Japan lied to its people, and, not surprisingly to many, maintained the attitude of racial superiority and the concomitant belief on the Emperor as sacrosanct such that surrender was unthinkable.

The beautiful Japan and its people we know today are anything but similar to those of 1945.

The viciousness of the campaigns in Guam, Saipan, Okinawa brought clarity to the impending invasion of Kyushu by US allied forces, where forgotten to many, Japan was heavily fortifying and would have resulted in enormous causalities on both sides. 

As far as a Russian attack, even Japanese scholars admit that any supposed or impending invasion by the USSR did not lead to immediate surrender. Japan was ready, willing, and able or not, to fight on.

So, after the atomic bombing of Nagasaki, with a government lying to its people (Japan), fighting more intensely than ever (as evident on Okinawa), and spurred on by dehumanizing the enemy and exalting the Emperor, the US president Truman made a historic, humane, and war-altering decision---to not drop any more atomic bombs on Japan, and to give Japan the time to surrender.

Well put. Very true words.

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@sf2K

under Abe, Japan became and arms dealer

An unsuccessful arms dealer that is.

Japan had single arms sale so far, an air search radar system to the Philippines on a very favorable loan term.

All other weapons sales bid failed. The actual big time arms dealers to the world are China and Korea, not Japan.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/267131/market-share-of-the-leadings-exporters-of-conventional-weapons/

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People who ask, Why did the US bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki, are asking the wrong question.

The more historically pertinent question is, Why did the US stop with Nagasaki?

The revisionists execrate the atomic bombs but forget the multitude of incendiary bombings, particularly in Tokyo that were cumulatively equally as deadly and destructive, but without the effects of radiation (which at the time was basically unknown).

Japanese leadership wanted to maintain fighting even after the Hiroshima bombing (the argument that this was an indiscriminate bombing was never true since Japan's industrial build-up had spread into residential neighborhoods).

I read post after post throughout these forums about how Suga and other Japanese government officials lied to get the Olympics to go forward; just imagine how the leadership of WWII-era Japan lied to its people, and, not surprisingly to many, maintained the attitude of racial superiority and the concomitant belief on the Emperor as sacrosanct such that surrender was unthinkable.

The beautiful Japan and its people we know today are anything but similar to those of 1945.

The viciousness of the campaigns in Guam, Saipan, Okinawa brought clarity to the impending invasion of Kyushu by US allied forces, where forgotten to many, Japan was heavily fortifying and would have resulted in enormous causalities on both sides.  

As far as a Russian attack, even Japanese scholars admit that any supposed or impending invasion by the USSR did not lead to immediate surrender. Japan was ready, willing, and able or not, to fight on.

So, after the atomic bombing of Nagasaki, with a government lying to its people (Japan), fighting more intensely than ever (as evident on Okinawa), and spurred on by dehumanizing the enemy and exalting the Emperor, the US president Truman made a historic, humane, and war-altering decision---to not drop any more atomic bombs on Japan, and to give Japan the time to surrender.

-7 ( +3 / -10 )

A bad mark on history.

Grow stronger, Japan. Your country is still occupied.

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ShinkansenCaboose

It is, the issue is Japan is still occupied.

-14 ( +8 / -22 )

As the japanese say to the koreans, get over it.

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