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Japan isn't even in the top ten worldwide for vaccination rates.

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Japan isn't even in the top ten worldwide for vaccination rates.

Shhh. Don't want to spoil their party....

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Over 90% of major Japanese cities to finish COVID vaccine rollout by Nov

This...

*The central government has called on local governments to wrap up their initial vaccination programs in early November, but in the absence of clear criteria many have aimed to finish once vaccination rates hit the 70 percent range.*

...Then this...

...results in (sigh), yet another, nonsense article, sponsored by your neighborhood Kyodo news outlet.

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RegBilk  06:37 am JST

Japan isn't even in the top ten worldwide for vaccination rates.

Sure, compared to Cayman Islands, Malta, Seychelles. Compared to what other nations with a population of 125+ million?

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And the country is still closed to international tourists who have been double-vaxxed.

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zichi

There is no such thing as ”fully vaccinated”, and it does not make any difference if it is 75% or 85%. Already shown in EVERY country that hit a high vaccination rate that the delta surged. Europe is well vaccinated but worse than last year same time.

Think about it, how can the situation be worst ever if 70-80% of people have been vaccinated vs nobody vaccinated?

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Shows how little you know. Japan is far ahead of America with the covid vaccinations. 95 million fully vaccinated out of a population of 127 million. 75%.

You don't know better.

The vaccination rate should be considered regarding the ELIGIBLE population, not the entire one.

Knowing Japan is the most aging population in the world, hence one of the most eligible in the world for vaccination, higher rate is rather normal.

No trophy here.

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Burning bush

How many kids haven't under 12 are there in Japan and how many of them have been vaccinated?? Once that demographic reaching 90% inoculation rate , that 30 million figure you are so enthusiastic to spout will shrink

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Since 95% of people over 65 are vaccinated it's apparent that there is a huge holdout group concentrated among young adults.

How many millions of Japanese women of child bearing age have refused the vaccine?

I'm sure that statistic is available, why not publish it?

That statistic is available, and they did publish it. (And its 91% over 65, not 95%)

Why didn't you just read the article before making a dumb comment?

Government data showed that among people aged 65 and over in Japan, 91 percent had been fully vaccinated as of Nov. 8, compared with 69.3 percent of people in their 30s, 66.0 percent in their 20s and 60.8 percent of those aged between 12 and 19.

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There is no such thing as ”fully vaccinated”, and it does not make any difference if it is 75% or 85%. Already shown in EVERY country that hit a high vaccination rate that the delta surged. Europe is well vaccinated but worse than last year same time.

All false, medically speaking people without special immune problems are well protected with the original schedule, so they can be considered fully vaccinated, Delta surged in every place it entered with or without vaccines, because that is what variants can do, but no, Europe is not worse than last year as it can be seen with the number of hospitalizations and deaths that are well reduced even with an incomplete vaccination. Very transparent attempts of disinformation only evidence an interest in misleading people.

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“Vaccination rates in the United States and Britain…stood at 57.4 percent and 67.4 percent, respectively”

Maybe people in those countries are beginning to have a serious doubt about the efficacy and safety of the vaccines.

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@John

4 shots, plus the yearly influenza shot, plus the 風疹 Shot (Sorry I dont know the english word for that), which is popular in Japan now.

To get vaccinated these days looks more than a fashion trend to me.

This week tuesday I will get my influenza shot.

That is my 3rd vaccine shot for this year. (2x Covid, 1x Influenza).

Someday, I will have more vaccine fluid in my body than blood.

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That’s not even the beginning. Considering several available data, it will have to become a constant vaccination process, every four or five months for men, elderly or people with diseases and reduced immune system responses, while women, younger age groups or really healthy people might add to that another month or two between the booster vaccinations. Anything above those time spans will keep the whole society longer under future infection waves and pandemic situations.

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Can’t wait for my booster. I heard big incentives coming to Japan. Also for foreigners as well, a shot will be required entry regardless of visa status.

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zichiToday  07:04 am JST

Shows how little you know.

No, shows how little you know, because an easy search shows Japan is not even in the top 10 worldwide for vaccination rates. Want to fight the reality?

CNN does not even have them in the top 20 for vaccinations per population!

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/health/global-covid-vaccinations/

NT Times doesn't even have them in the top 10 for fully vaccinated:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html

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Burning Bush: Of course there is a disparity between 1st and 2nd shot data. Being an anti vaxxer, you may not be aware that there is a 3 or 4 week period between shots.

This page shows current numbers and fwiw the numbers have been moving in lockstep for a while. So, if this is where you get your 5 million refusals from, then I will just chuckle making my coffee,

https://japan.kantei.go.jp/ongoingtopics/vaccine.html

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zichiToday  09:43 am JST

RegBilk

you just ignored the link which I posted and the most reliable for data.

Geeez---let's go back to my original post:

RegBilkToday  06:37 am JST

Japan isn't even in the top ten worldwide for vaccination rates.

And from the link you provided, Japan isn't even in the top ten worldwide for vaccination rates.

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Why are so many people eager to vaccinate everyone? It doesn't make a difference, all you need to do is compare places with high and low rates

The important thing should be that everyone who wants to take the risk has the opportunity to do so

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zichiToday  10:12 am JST

Japan and Canada rank the same at 10th.

Wrong.

How is your country doing?

Great--more vaccinated than the UK and Japan COMBINED.

Argue with that fact,

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Look, data is an easy-to-understand format for the lazy people

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChGefaell/status/1459492910618005504

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zichiToday 10:12 am JST

Japan was criticized for its slow start but is now well advanced.

True, there is no question about that Japan is doing by far much better than many other countries worldwide.

USA is reporting 9,211,223 acute cases, while Japan reports only 1.824.

In USA there are 783,439 covid-19 deaths, and in Japan there are only 18,315.

See the difference?

It always takes a while for Japanese people to organize, they are people who will work best in a group. However after when they all agreed how to solve any issue together, they are doing remarkably well.

USA is widely disorganized and overpriced with its medical system, many people do not even have a health insurance and not to talk about its huge prison population with inadequate medical care and about all these homeless - more than half million people - living in the streets.

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I am an anti anti anti-vaxxer.

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zichiToday  11:13 am JST

But America still only has 59% fully vaccinated. Very low.

Very high.

Almost 200 million vaccinated in the US.

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About 1/3 of people in their 20s and 30s have flat out refused.

That is an invalid conclusion, how many of those people have the intention to vaccinate? how many have valid medical exceptions? without knowing those numbers you can't simply assume those not vaccinated now are refusing.

They’ll move the goal posts until people stop complying.

That is irrelevant, the scientific and medical definition for most of the population is still the original schedule.

Maybe people in those countries are beginning to have a serious doubt about the efficacy and safety of the vaccines.

If those doubts are based on false or illogical reasons then the problem is not the vaccines but the doubts.

To get vaccinated these days looks more than a fashion trend to me.

Following reasonable recommendations based on scientific data is not just a trend, people that are interested in reducing their risk for a dangerous disease are in the right, do washing hands and skipping work when sick are also a fashion trend for you?

That’s not even the beginning. Considering several available data, it will have to become a constant vaccination process, every four or five months for men, elderly or people with diseases and reduced immune system responses, while women, younger age groups or really healthy people might add to that another month or two between the booster vaccinations.

Only if the "several available data" is imaginary, because that is not the consensus of science, can you bring even one serious medical or scientific association that supports your conclusion? else it is just something you yourself pulled out of thin air without any actual scientific basis.

Why are so many people eager to vaccinate everyone? It doesn't make a difference, all you need to do is compare places with high and low rates

The hospitalization and death rates are precisely the reason why vaccination are considered so valuable, comparing the rates in a single place at a time with and without vaccines is much more useful than comparing two completely different places (with strong discrepancies in demographics, health services, etc) but even that shows that vaccines are extremely beneficial.

Look, data is an easy-to-understand format for the lazy people

Pretending vaccinated and unvaccinated people are equivalent is a well known mistake that even undergraduate students would not do, if someone needs to hide the fact that vaccinated people are compromised much more importantly by people that are specially vulnerable to the disease to make a point it is easy to see his interest is mostly to spread disinformation, this becomes much more clear when the same person say something that have been scientifically proved wrong (that vaccinated people spread the disease the same as unvaccinated ones).

I would recommend you to get a much more honest source of information that do not depend on hiding well described sources of bias on the treatment of the data.

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Burning BushToday  12:51 pm JST

Since conclusions you don't like are "invalid", can you give us a "valid conclusion" to explain the fact that 1/3 have not been vaccinated.

The most rational deduction would be that the 1/3 refused the vaccines.

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According another article here at JT, I said that I read a report about the effectivness of the vaccine last week.

I couldn't find the original article I read about a week ago, but I found an article which says similar things. The difference is, here they are talking about a few months, not like the other one about a few weeks.

This report is also just a few days old and also based on a study done by experts and scientists.

Some people stated here that they can read german.

So this is a part of the report:

*Dann nahm der Schutz kontinuierlich ab, nach vier bis sechs Monaten lag die Wirksamkeit nur noch bei 47 Prozent. Nach sieben Monaten lag der Schutz nur noch bei 23 Prozent. Damit gilt er für die Experten als nicht mehr relevant. Es gab keinen messbaren Schutz mehr. Allgemein sank der Schutz von 90 auf 40 Prozent. *

This report says, after 4-6 months down to just 47% effectiveness.

After 7 months, down to just 23%.

In generall, down from 90% to 40%.

About timeline both reports I read are different, but the message is the same:

We all need a Booster Shot.

But when?

After 4 month, 6 month or 7 month? Or after a few weeks?

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At least Japan still gives people a choice! Viva choice! Viva Japan!

if they are young and healthy why take the risk with these unproven technology vaccines??

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The vaccines work well to prevent hospitalisation in the short term but the don’t work as well as people were promised by the politicians in the West. We even had Biden calling the vaccines the cure a few months ago. They are important for elderly, obese and those with underlying health conditions.

Transmission is not prevented from vaccines so having bad passports is irrelevant. Everyone will get the virus and natural immunisation is better than vaccines as is supported by most scientific studies. The virus has not mutated to be more deadly, perhaps less so as would be expected, it’s not good for a viruses survival to kill all the hosts.

Just glad I am in Japan and not restricted in my daily life for choosing not to be vaccinated and I’m not anti vaccinations BTW

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@Sanjinosebleed

At least Japan still gives people a choice! Viva choice! Viva Japan!

if they are young and healthy why take the risk with these unproven technology vaccines??

Every country has the choice, name me a country that is forcing the vaccine into people's arms?

The unproven technology you refer to has been around for decades.

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The article says that 1/3 of Japanese people in their 20s have not been vaccinated even though the vaccination program is almost finished and in some cities basically over.

Yes, so nowhere it says every single one refused to get vaccinated, just that they have not yet done so, provide how many have not done it for lack of convenience, valid medial exceptions, etc. or your comment is still invalid. The valid conclusion is only what have been reported, this is the number of people that have not been vaccinated for any of the multiple reasons for this to happen.

The most rational deduction would be that the 1/3 refused the vaccines.

Calling what you want to believe the most rational deduction does not make it so, it only shows your bias.

About timeline both reports I read are different, but the message is the same:

We all need a Booster Shot.

But when?

After 4 month, 6 month or 7 month? Or after a few weeks?

Your article do not says what you are concluding, a booster obviously works increasing the immunity of the patients, but what you wanted to know is how necessary this is for the people not at an elevated risk. For example Deaths were reduced from 44 to 7 on, of a total population of around 1 and a half million people, both groups included people of elevated age and with preexisting conditions which is enough to expect all the cases to be included in this group (even if only one percent of the total population was in this group that still means 15000 people at a very high risk.

At this point if you are one of those people you clearly benefit a lot from a booster, but if not the protection you get from the original schedule is enough, all according to the people that actually analyze the information for a living.

Also, the article you link to have the actual scientific primary source to read, there is no need to link to a secondary source if you have that.

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@syzyguy: Its just you and your wild imagination.

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So, 75% have chosen to be inoculated with the drug (not a vaccine by definition) that doesn't prevent infection or transmission. No surprises there.

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The goal is to make immense profits

Absolutely!

The vaccine industry is the same like any other!

And what counts for each industry?

Money!!!

This Pandemic is the biggest chance for the vaccine industry to get rich.

They would be stupid if they bring out a vaccine which ends this pandemic with just one shot.

So they devoloped a vaccine with a kind of effective timelimit.

After a few weeks, take one more shot, after a few months the next shot... and so on.

And most of us will follow that and take the shot, because we are feared from the media and all the fearmongering people around.

Also, the article you link to have the actual scientific primary source to read, there is no need to link to a secondary source if you have that.

Posts with links got deleted here as fast as a blink.

Therefore I just copied the important part of the report.

But I know that you dont want to see reports which shows studies, done by scientists, that the effectivness of the vaccine goes down to 23% after a few months.

Or what Ego Sum posted, that Pfitzer fakes Data and do on...

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RobToday  02:10 pm JST

@Sanjinosebleed

At least Japan still gives people a choice! Viva choice! Viva Japan!

if they are young and healthy why take the risk with these unproven technology vaccines??

Every country has the choice, name me a country that is forcing the vaccine into people's arms?

The unproven technology you refer to has been around for decades.

Decades really???

I thought no I KNOW that this is the first time mRNA vaccines have ever been used in human. Nice try at misinformation though…

In regard to mandating by stealth have a look at Australia…

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Virusrex

Utter nonsense in replying to my response about what politicians claimed about the vaccines. I’m nit talking about the claims made by the pharmaceutical companies but the politicians and the media. There are examples of two world leaders Biden and Johnson making claims that the vaccines will be the end of Covid, in fact Biden has said that it’s the cure. This and constant similar claims made by the media misled the general public into believing the vaccines would be the end of Covid and life would resume as normal. These are facts that can be checked by checking media over the last 12 months and seeing how things developed.

Monty

Great post, nice one.

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Every country has the choice, name me a country that is forcing the vaccine into people's arms?

Oh come on. How about New Zealand for example - No jab, no job.

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The goal is to make immense profits

Absolutely!

The vaccine industry is the same like any other!

And what counts for each industry?

Money!!!

Just search how much money is made for people that are treated at home for COVID, that have to go to the ER, be hospitalized or spend a couple of weeks in the ICU.

Against that compare how much is gained with the vaccines. Even a booster every few months would never replace the huge losses from people that don't get sick, don't get hospitalized and don't need to visit the ICU thanks to the vaccines.

So they devoloped a vaccine with a kind of effective timelimit.

No such thing, once again the scientific consensus is that protection gained from the original dosage is enough for most people, and booster only necessary for specially vulnerable patients, the same as many other vaccines developed before.

Posts with links got deleted here as fast as a blink.

Not at all, much less with links to actual scientific studies, I use them all the time, it also does absolutely nothing to defend the decision to link to something in German when the actual scientific source is in English.

But I know that you dont want to see reports which shows studies, done by scientists, that the effectivness of the vaccine goes down to 23% after a few months.

Mistaken, the percentage is a comparison to the efficacy of the booster, it do not apply in comparison with not being vaccinated, if you see the numbers of the actual article even people without boosters have very low rates of hospitalizations, complications and death when compared with the period where vaccination was not yet done.

I thought no I KNOW that this is the first time mRNA vaccines have ever been used in human. Nice try at misinformation though…

That is false, this is the first time it has been commercially approved for use in humans, but lots of other mRNA vaccines have been used since the 90s on thousands and thousands of human participants.

Utter nonsense in replying to my response about what politicians claimed about the vaccines. I’m nit talking about the claims made by the pharmaceutical companies but the politicians and the media.

You are still missing the point, politicians, media or companies do not matter but what the actual medical and scientific authorities say.

Are you honestly surprised that politicians make mistakes or are not completely honest? what kind of person would trust what a politician says above what a scientist say if they are not the same? Again, the actual source is scientific, so anything that contradicts the science is simply much more likely to be wrong, if you choose to believe the people contradicting the science the fault is all yours.

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Completely false, VAERS and similar systems from the EU and elsewhere have shown the adverse effects to be off the charts.

Off the charts? Sounds absolutely enormous. Would you care to quantify that?

What are these adverse effects?

Please don’t link to the source which led you to tell us this virus burned itself out last year.

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Virus

No, I never believed the politicians from day one, you can’t comprehend that I’m talking about generally amongst the average person. Didn’t and still don’t believe a lot of the scientists and there’s good reasons for that. There is an agenda, which is to make huge money from this, the large companies are a law unto themselves. Anyone who cannot see the faults now and over the last decades of pharmaceutical companies and those employed by them is blind or deluded.

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