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kennyG
Sure you have no idea
funkymofo
You introduced an irrelevant point in response to my point about a different issue. I have no idea why you would think that A. it's germaine, or B. it's a strawman argument.
kennyG
I said there weren't any wars between Japan and Korea before annexation. Strawman.
“But, at that time, we chose it by ourselves. It is not Japan invaded our land. Our ancestors chose it. If we chose Qing Dynasty that soon perished, we would have had more chaos on the peninsula. If we chose Russia that soon got overturned, we would have had the entire peninsula turned to a communist country. It might not be the best but if we were to chose, I valued choosing Japan as second best.”
President of Korea Chunghee Park
funkymofo
@kennyg,
You might looked to start here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
funkymofo
I have, I suggest you do the same.
kennyG
WAR itself is the crime against humanity. FYI... There's no war between Japan and the peninsula before annexation. Read up deep your history books
funkymofo
OssanAmerica,
We both know Japan's disgusting history of war crimes in SE Asia- it's the Japanese who don't. This needs to be confronted and taught in Japanese schools in order for Japan to come to terms with its past.
kennyG
In education, you should not brainwash children with lies piled up over lies.
Anyone knows the experience of Taiwanese wartime labor at exactly the same sites by Sumitomo and Mitsubishi Heavy ? No need to excuse disgusting fake narratives by such Japanese treated Taiwanese differently from Koreans BS...
itsonlyrocknroll
The 1965 agreement/treaty, a signed settlement clearly states disputes must be pursued, firstly through diplomatic negotiations, failure to find agreement, the dispute then must be resolved through international arbitration at the ICJ. The SK government refused
SK signed the treaty
The Treaty also stipulates that the Korean government must compensate the alleged Korean victims.
The SK government reengaged. It is a fact.
The 1965 signed treaty quote concluded both the Basic Relations between Japan.
Reengage on the 1965 Treaty, the sanctions could be punitive, including seizure of assets /investments in the SK pension scheme.
OssanAmerica
When South Korea squarely addresses it's own history in education. Korea was not a victim in the same way other Asian countries were. Korea was part of Imperial Japan and fought on that side.
OssanAmerica
South Korea needs to reinstate the "Permanent and Irreversible" 2015 Comfort Women Agreement' that they negotiated with Japan, concluded with fanfare, then unilaterally ripped up. Trust is very easy to throw away, but very difficult to regain once lost.
Japan has accomodated South Korea on all of their demands from apologies to payments, only to have SK move the goal posts each. Moon pushed relations about as low as they could go, and Yoon will have to fight hard to regain Japan's trust, something that is crucial for SK's security.
funkymofo
Japan needs to squarely address its history in education.
Abe234
If they ever sort this out, it should be made public to everyone, it should also be taught in schools in Korea and Japan, that they were compensated and that it draws a line under the situation. If any compensation is give to the Korean government to compensate the Koreans it must be made explicit, who it is for, how much. No loans, No grants, No fudging. Get this done, and move on. You probably have more in common now with china on the rise, and North Korea. So if the Japan government and Japanese companies agree to pay something, and draw a line under it, it might just actually be better, than letting this boil fester.
itsonlyrocknroll
The South Korean Supreme Court has no Jurisdiktion.
Rightly or wrongly the South Korean Government signed a Treaty that stipulates clearly ....
Concerning the Settlement of Problems in Regard to Property and Claims and Economic Cooperation.
The agreement is clearly a lump-sum settlement agreement with respect to claims arising from Japan’s annexation of Korea from 1910 to 1945. Under the agreement, Korea received $300 million from Japan, as full and final settlement for claims between states, claims between one state and the individuals of the other, and claims among the individuals of the states, including those specified in Article IV (a) of the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty. Private companies were also considered individuals for the purposes of the agreement.
Now a there is also a clear route with the ICJ to settle any conflicts under treaty law.
End this nonsense now, or accept the consequences. This Treaty is bullet proof, restoring relations.
Kyo wa heiwa dayo ne
As we can see the close cooperation between Japan and south Korea is not very successful.
Japan should show humiliation and do whatever it takes to burry the hatchet
Aly Rustom
the never ending story...
GillislowTier
listening lot opinions and taking the appropriate steps.
For…. 80 years they have been saying that lol. And they keep trying to get the various slave camp locations added to the World Heritage list…
They will meet, the SK Pres will have a slight knock in his numbers, stoke history and blame Japan, Japan goes to Yasukuni, blah blah blah.
Mark
And the Saga will continue
Concerned Citizen
Time to forgive and forget. Life is too short to waste arguing over events of 80 years ago. Sth Korea and Japan have so much to offer eachother if they cooperate positively for mutual benefit.
Yrral
Wait too these Bozos go to the war shrine
kurisupisu
No private company should be allowed to destroy lives without compensation being an issue.
Samit Basu
There is no point in doing this.
If the plaintiffs refuse the government offer of a compensation from a fund by Japanese companies OTHER THAN THE DEFENDANTS(Japanese government is said to be OK with the compensation as long as the money is not from the defendants. Voluntary donations from non-defendant Japanese companies are acceptable with Tokyo), the plaintiffs will refuse and execute the sale of seized assets; they have the court order to do so and there is nothing Yoon administration can do to stop this.
Remember, these plaintiffs aren't in it for the money, but to make a point, and their lawyers aren't "For Profit" lawyers, but the so-called Human Rights Lawyers(Moon Jae In Kind) who are representing the plaintiffs for free.
The plaintiffs and their lawyers already stated they won't take anyone else's money other than the defendant's.
Dango bong
you could focus on the future instead....
Rodney
How about compensating them and we get their semiconductors in return. I can’t get a new cooker for at least two months because of “chip supply”.
OssanAmerica
The Yoon administration has bigger and more important goals for the country than to keep dragging the WWII issues. Goals that concern the nation's security.
stormcrow
First talks? It must be a very new group.
noriahojanen
Don't procrastinate. We don't need a gesture of making an effort.
kurisupisu
Which talk is first?
it’s not clear…