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Tokyo confirms 131 new coronavirus infections on Saturday

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Tokyo Gov Yuriko Koike on Saturday urged residents of the Japanese capital not to travel beyond its borders as new coronavirus infections topped 100 for a third day, public broadcaster NHK reported.

Tokyo confirmed 131 new cases of infections of the coronavirus on Saturday, NHK said.

Cases in Tokyo have risen to a two-month high, driven by the spread of the virus in the capital's night spots. Of Saturday's tally, 100 were people in their 20s and 30s, Kyodo news agency said, citing Koike.

Tokyo on Friday reported 124 new cases, up from 107 the day before, partly due to increased testing among night-life workers in the Shinjuku and Ikebukuro districts.

Despite the three-day string of high infections, Economy Minister Yasutoshi Nishimura said the government was not planning to reintroduce a state of emergency, telling a news conference it is looking at overall conditions, including the capacity of the medical system, when deciding the need for the emergency.

Curbs on movement pushed the world's third-biggest economy into a recession in the first quarter, with a deeper contraction expected in the April-June period.

Japan's infection rates remain far below those of many other countries, but the recent rise in cases and the possibility of renewed restrictions have put authorities and businesses on edge.

© Thomson Reuters 2020.

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Still climbing......wonder where we will end up

2 ( +11 / -9 )

Japan's infection rates remain far below many other countries but the rising number of cases and the possibility of renewed restrictions have put authorities and businesses on edge.

Yeah, heard than more than a hundred times and anybody with a functioning brain knows why,... Lack of Testing.

14 ( +23 / -9 )

Partly due to testing? So testing is to blame? Has absolutely nothing to do with social distancing, or people not wearing their Abe mask. I was under the impression Japan was under control due to its uniqueness.

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Cases in Tokyo have risen to a two-month high, driven by the spread of the virus in the capital's night spots.

This sentence distorts the reality to an extent - the virus is being spread everywhere, but as they're currently targeting the nightlife districts and testing there, it gives people the image that these districts are where the culprit is. When in reality you can get the virus also from e.g. your morning commute on the packed subway (NB, staff members have been confirmed as being positive) or from the office.

Again, unjustified shaming an blaming, when the cautions should be taken everywhere.

20 ( +23 / -3 )

I was under the impression Japan was under control due to its uniqueness.

As far as deaths and critically ill, Japan has pretty much had it under control. Relative to most other countries, at least.

-9 ( +14 / -23 )

its a flu people. Corona virus is to blame for 33% of common flu, And even in general, people who are compromised physically sometimes die of flu, Same with this new virus. People are dying due to complications caused by the virus. But if you are so afraid, please don't go out, stay home, close your doors and windows, and might as well don't breathe, There is no reasoning with fearmongers. I will live my life.

-34 ( +17 / -51 )

@therougou, the important word there being had

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

Just hope Tokyo is prepared to fall back into a self-lockdown again if the need arises. Other parts of Japan don't need Tokyo residents taking advantage of the lifted domestic travel restrictions.

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@erbaviva

Yes it's a flu and causes blood clots.

6 ( +16 / -10 )

The concern now is that we are being misled about the number of related deaths. To keep their rate low. They are only testing in Kabukicho and Ikebukuro and look at the results. The number 131 only constitutes those areas. Widespread testing in Tokyo will easily take it to 1,300 per day.

This government have constantly misled and played with the statistics. Avoided testing to keep the numbers down and have even attempted to say the numbers are not important.

I would not be surprised at all if the related deaths are being under reported.

21 ( +25 / -4 )

Still very low. And no deaths.

-29 ( +9 / -38 )

More cases in Kanto,but hospitals aren't being overwhelmed with dying and dead patients.In fact,they have the luxury of telling patients to go to a designated Covid-19 hospital!! When Europe and the U.S. were going through it,hospitals didn't have that luxury to turn people away.Japan still has that though.Even if people want to say the death numbers are much higher than advertised, hospitals are still coping with ease over here.Touch wood.

-1 ( +7 / -8 )

Correction:

Japan's infection rates remain far below many other countries....

Becausethe number of tests remains far below the rates of testing in all other countries.

23 ( +27 / -4 )

Tell me. What's the difference between 2 hours in a hostess/host club in Kabukicho copping a feel and 1 hour on a packed train twice a day, 5 days a week with a salary worker breathing 5 cm from your face along with 150 other people breathing the same stuffy air? In fact, since most people don't visit a club 5 days a week and most clubs don't have 150 people in a confined train carriage space, I'd say the club is probably safer than a commuter train.

Yet, do we hear ever any official word about the danger of train commuting in rush hour? No, because shutting down trains would bring the city economy to its knees in a week.

The dangers of clubbing may be real but the dangers of rail commuting are a lot more serious.

26 ( +30 / -4 )

Shut down the whole country for 6 weeks.

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yes Mazzda san it causes blood clot. Do you know how the blood clot forms? You see a virus enters the body either as a DNA or an RNA and it has to enter a suitable cell to cause damage. The target? Corona virus target the upper respiratory tract so it has first to enter your nose or mouth. In the first 2 days, your white blood cells will fight against the virus and then a macrophage enters the fight and take the virus to your lymphocytes, that is why we call it antigen presenting cells. Now the lymphocytes will start creating specific antibody for the virus and will peak at day 7 and that time the virus disintegrates and the person recovers completely within 14 days or less. However, some individuals goes into complication. The body begins to identify the body ACE 2 which is your angiotensin converting enzyme responsible for the increase of blood pressure as the enemy. The body then starts to destroy the ACE2 which is present in all blood vessels and therefore creating blood clots. In short, corovirus complication is an autoimmune disease, your body has to be stop so you need to take steroids or anti-inflammatory agents. Once the body autoimmune gets controlled, people recovers. And how many percent goes into complication? less than 2 percent of the population and is comparable with other virus agents. I will live my life.

-23 ( +10 / -33 )

@erbaviva if it was a flu, summer weather would have made it disappear. The fact there are still transmission case in June/July should be concerning as it is supposed to be the season with the lowest rate, especially as temperatures rise.

As soon as autumn season arrives, it will increase again and explode during the next winter (where respiratory diseases such as pneumonia are the most dangerous).

At that point, the Olympics should be cancelled, there is no realistic scenario where it would still be possible to hold them. And I say that as a volunteer that was looking forward participating it his first Olympics.

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The article starts off with: "Tokyo confirmed 131 new cases of infections of the coronavirus on Saturday, a third consecutive day with more than 100 new cases, public broadcaster NHK reported." But we are not told who, where and how? Then we get a repeat paragraph from the other day with old but specific details: "Tokyo on Friday reported 124 new cases, up from 107 the day before, partly due to increased testing among night life workers in the Shinjuku and Ikebukuro districts."

I don't know about you, but I'm getting tired of hearing about night life workers and Shinjuku and Ikebukuro. Surely there must be other people and places experiencing the Coronavirus pandemic.

What about crowded commuter trains, cramped offices, factories, department stores?

It does little to gloat about Japan's low infection rate compared to other countries if you've got it.

Something, I sense, is being ignored for the sake of commerce.

The article ends with a subtle twist: "... but the rising number of cases and the possibility of renewed restrictions have put authorities and businesses on edge." I'd say the sooner Japan goes into crisis mode the better. We are still in the pandemic. And blaming night life workers will only act as a dangerous distraction.

14 ( +17 / -3 )

hamburger... shut down the whole country ... complete lockdown for 6 or 8 weeks, i guess that,ll do it ...

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flu doesn't disappear, the rate of infection just drops. It lives on asymptomatic carriers. And as all corona virus, the virus will mutate every single time. Go ask your doctor. There is no cure for flu nor there is a cure for Covid.

-14 ( +8 / -22 )

It's simple. Humans have not formed antibodies to this. And it causes pneumonia & lung damage. That's all you need to know.

ps. There is no vaccine for this virus either.

So now try to compare this to influenza.

10 ( +14 / -4 )

I'm a school teacher and my principal says he doesn't want to do anything unless the Board of Education doesn't do anything

The Board of Education say because the governor of Tokyo doesn't say anything.

Koike doesn't want to do anything because the Japanese government doesn't declare the state of emergency.

What's what's going on?

Is this country some kind of army?

Well I admit the school's important but it doesn't have to do anything with the business or Finance. So what's the point of maintaining the school now?

10 ( +11 / -1 )

Japan's infection rates remain far below those of many other countries

Why they keep hammering that in our brain only say to me the numbers are much higher. What are they hiding?

13 ( +14 / -1 )

@hamburger and @rich why 6-8 weeks ? is the virus going to disapear then ?

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 I'd say the club is probably safer than a commuter train.

Many others probably thought the same way and actually went to the clubs.

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@Robert Hancock How about schools then ? How about offices ? Also please define dangerous

-4 ( +2 / -6 )

@erbaviva good posts !

-11 ( +4 / -15 )

I'd say the club is probably safer than a commuter train.

The article below covers a lot of different thoughts, but one is that loud talking and generally heavier breathing (probably without masks) may be significant. That is more likely in clubs and bars.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-53188847

3 ( +3 / -0 )

Shocking, just shocking. Who could have predicted this?

4 ( +7 / -3 )

In all fairness there is something special about the situation here. The bodies simply aren't piling up in the morgue like in NYC and Roma. For Japanese somehow this virus is not very strong.

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erbaviva

Please tell me how qualified you are in regards to medical knowledge, this ISNT like the flu at all, as someone who has had people in their family contract covid who have said first had it’s nothing like the flu. Comments like yours drive me nuts.

it’s idiotic thinking like “close your doors, lock yourselves in and might as well stop breathing and I’m going to live my life“ is a valid comment, It isn’t about YOU it’s about everyone else, the reason why this virus is on the rise is because people are letting their guards down and thinking the worst is over.

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CS:

Japan's infection rates remain far below those of many other countries

Why they keep hammering that in our brain only say to me the numbers are much higher. What are they hiding?

They keep saying this in order to put a positive spin on things. Can you imagine a situation where every other country had a lower number of cases and deaths than Japan? People in Japan would be panicking like there's no tomorrow. As it is, Japan is in a complete mess in East Asia. Places like Hong Kong, Taiwan, Vietnam and even South Korea have smaller numbers and the first three have more or less contained the pandemic. China has had a lot of cases, but their response has been to test, test, test, and lockdown. Let's see how they handle the current situation in Beijing. My guess is that they'll flatten the curve in Beijing before Japan sees any hint of improvement. Tokyo is heading back to March/April. What a bloody waste of time and effort.

NM:

@erbaviva if it was a flu, summer weather would have made it disappear. The fact there are still transmission case in June/July should be concerning as it is supposed to be the season with the lowest rate, especially as temperatures rise.

Now, now, you're spreading facts. You're making some people uncomfortable.

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Well I admit the school's important but it doesn't have to do anything with the business or Finance.

Interesting ..hmm .. can you also tells us first why exactly you think schools are important ?

-9 ( +0 / -9 )

Oh Man...

Since 7 months this topic is discussed.

Everyone should understand finally after 7 months, that this Virus will not dissapear.

Live with it!

And like I always said: Do your personal Prevention. Wear Mask, Wash Hands, use Sanitizers and keep social distance WHERE IT IS POSSIBLE!

If I read millions of times posts about full packed trains and no social distance, I just have to shake my head.

Everyone who live and work in Tokyo have no choice than to use the packed trains, except your company puts you on Home Office. You Guys should get that into your heads, as long as there is no vaccine, we have to live with the virus.

Cases will rise, cases will fall.

And one more point AGAIN from me:

Stop whining that the government or Koike san are not handling the Virus well. Dont sit on your bottom and wait that the government is doing everything for you or give you a guidebook.

This is your life! You are responsible for that! Not the government!

Do your own best prevention to stay safe, your family, your friends and all other citizens of Japan.

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Comparison of Coronavirus to influenza is unbelievably ridiculous in scope and ignorance. There hasn't been a threat by an influenza virus on the entire United States like COVID-19, ever. The stupidity to believe Coronavirus is no more than a regular flu reaches an abyss fit for an idiot like Trump and his cult.

10 ( +13 / -3 )

Pedaling fear as usual. The truth is all

1-The death rate for Covid-19 ranges around 0.25%, a bit more than for a seasonal flu. Several other studies give less. Here are two links to a list of recent peer reviewed studies confirming this:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.13.20101253v2

https://pressroom.usc.edu/preliminary-results-of-usc-la-county-covid-19-study-released/

2- The more testing you will do, the more case you will find so those "new infection" news are just pure brainwash for you people. A Stanford study done in April was showing than up to 4.7% of the population randomly tested was already carrying the antibody. By now, this rate is certainly much higher especially in Japan since no lock down measures were taken. In Geneva, the antibodies were present in about 10% back in May. The government can announce any number on a daily basis, Here are links to the studies:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31304-0/fulltext

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.13.20101253v2

3- The remedy here is worst than the disease itself. Countless bankrupcies, suicides, undetected terminal illnesses, poverty which will in the end cause 100 times more damage than the 500 000 deaths ( and we know than influenza, pneumonia, and other irrelevant deaths have been labelled Covid-19.

To those who still think this is dangerous despite the ridiculously low death rate we have in Japan, just stay home and give us a break. I encourage everyone NOT to wear a mask as this is the first visual step towards normality.

-16 ( +8 / -24 )

BFPF1159 how do i know? I am a doctor I have a PhD degree and we treat people with SARS and MERS, But do you know what we fear most? Not the HIV, nor the SARS and Ebola. It is Tubercolosis.

Then I got married. I quit my job. TB will kill millions and there is no cure (resistant strains). TB bacteria can live for 2 weeks to a month on most surfaces. These nasty bacteria just don't respond to any medicine. And you die slowly.

-14 ( +5 / -19 )

@BFPF115 There are 2 possible answers on the first questions one) he is qualified two) he isn't

But is what if he is ? Will you still think his comments like these are idiotic or not ?

BTW, if he didn't make sense nothing will make sense to you

the reason why this virus is on the rise is because people are letting their guards down and thinking the worst is over

Okay ! Again please tells us how do we keep the guards up in Shinjuku and Ikebukuro, then in India and then Brazil

-2 ( +3 / -5 )

Now it is time for the government to shut down all hostess clubs, night clubs, karaoke and pachinkos they bring nothing to the economy and by shutting them down ASAP will save the rest of the economy. Schools should go back on shifts of half days and so children have some routine, however, remain safe from the virus and teachers, too.

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@OssanAmericaToday  04:12 pm JST

Just hope Tokyo is prepared to fall back into a self-lockdown again if the need arises. Other parts of Japan don't need Tokyo residents taking advantage of the lifted domestic travel restrictions.

lockdown again and say goodbye economy

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@hamburger and @rich why 6-8 weeks ? is the virus going to disapear then ?

Disappear? No. But, without suitable hosts in which to propagate, it will substantially decrease in numbers.

Combine that with continued safe behavior after the 8 week period - mask-wearing, disinfection, hand-washing, social-distancing, crowd control, telework, etc. - infections will be kept to a minimum until a vaccine is created.

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flu doesn't disappear, the rate of infection just drops. It lives on asymptomatic carriers. And as all corona virus, the virus will mutate every single time. Go ask your doctor. There is no cure for flu nor there is a cure for Covid.

That is a completely mistaken misrepresentation, influenza virus lives for a short while in asymptomatic carriers, but there is no evidence they can transmit the disease to anybody. That is completely unrelated to why influenza seasons happen.

All RNA virus mutate, that is also irrelevant, alpha, pesti, flavi, togaviruses for example exist in a constant state of mutation but infection give lifelong protection and for many that produce disease in humans and economically important animals it is extremely simple to develop vaccinations. COVID-19 has not demonstrated any antigenic change nor recombination as usual for orthomyxoviruses in half a year of being isolated, that makes the comparison invalid.

At this point is perfectly reasonable to expect a vaccine to be effective and long lasting. None of the reasons why there this has not been possible for influenza apply for covid-19

10 ( +10 / -0 )

Here’s a bit of shocking news to some. It is not on Abe, Trump, any government to deal with this. It is on you, me, and every individual on this planet to do OUR job as individuals to stem the spread of this annoying pandemic! Individual accountability! It starts there! You do your part! Essential movements only! Get out of the bars, cut leisure activities, reduce and consolidate essential daily tasks, be over vigilant in social distance, be overzealous in personal hygiene, wear a mask! Let government worry about the treatment capabilities, and R&D for immunization. EVERYONE plays a part. Until this happens, this will not stop!

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@erbaviva

A PhD does not make one a medical doctor and after reading all that you wrote all I can say, to quote a saying, is A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I can tell you’ve read a bit but truly understand very little.

There are many coronavirus, most are not dangerous, some cause a cold, others are more dangerous. They are similar to influenza virus (A & B) in that the have a single strand of RNA as their genome, but that is where the genomic similarity ends. I’m not sure what you were referring to concerning DNA. The coronavirus that causes COVID-19 is certainly not an influenza virus.

In some cases a COVID-19 infection can cause cytokine storm, which is a dangerous overreaction of the immune system, but that doesn’t make COVID-19 an autoimmune disease.

In the US it is estimated that between 25,000 and 60,000 people died from the last large flu season. During the flu season nothing special was done to combat the epidemic. From COVID-19 the death toll has already passed 130,000, AND this is with lockdowns, testing, tracing, masks, etc, etc. AGAIN, this coronavirus IS NOT a flu virus, AND COVID-19 is not the flu!

15 ( +17 / -2 )

Combine that with continued safe behavior after the 8 week period ...

But we tried didn't we ? We are just simply not designed to live on adrenaline for such a long period. someone somewhere will get drunk or protest or even just take the wrong train and here we go again.

What we are good however at is trial and error sort of learning. Medicine too. Vaccine or not at some point we will find the ballance and adjust to the new life, it will take time, that is it. I am afraid governments can't do much here, unless you test all the time everyone until the testing won't change much, this is a global issue and coordinating it is impossible.

I am feel equally sorry for the dead (RIP) covid19 or else triggered.

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@Bubonam

You are the first person here who understands!

Very good post!

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@sunfunbun

Comparison of Coronavirus to influenza is unbelievably ridiculous in scope and ignorance.

Agree with you on this. Comparisons of Covid to regular seasonal flu are badly flawed.

There hasn't been a threat by an influenza virus on the entire United States like COVID-19, ever.

But you got it wrong here. Read up on the"Spanish" flu of 1918. Spoiler, it wasn't really Spanish...

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n1k1T

well considering they said that covid is caused by flu then I highly doubt he is a doc.

Im also in Shinjuku so I agree it is very hard to keep your guard up however it is up to you to go out and engaging with people. As we have seen most of the new cases are due to people going to izakayas and clubs. They should limit business times and be harder on owners who aren’t keeping checks on the hygiene of these places. Kabukicho is a pit so it’s no surprise it kicked off there.

like I said, it’s hard almost impossible I would say to always have your guard up but it seems that people are starting to just think it’s over. People need to be more aware that’s all.

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Thank you for your posts, virusrex and JBird.

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@n1k1

Ok, let's give erbaviva the benefit of the doubt and assume it's a language issue and they really mean the common cold. That would mean their argument is that covid-19 need not be feared any more than the common cold. That's an even more ridiculous comparison than the flu.

4 ( +5 / -1 )

Furthermore @Fuzzy one of the theories behind the low body count in Japan might as well be a previous exposure to different type of corona virus (for ex common cold causing one and less popular ) which now behaves like a vaccine for sars-cov-2

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

Was in Shinjuku today and while it might look busy, its dead in most places. Went bowling, most people wearing masks, but strict policy on protecting their employees who were wearing full PPE. Alcohol and disinfectant spray everywhere. I probably sprayed my hands at least 10 times today. But lets not panic, no sense closing things down if its mostly the young and healthy getting infected. I just wish they would tell us how many of those infected are hospitalized. Sure, I understand they don't want to downplay the virus, but they aren't giving people detailed statistics or following up on much.

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@n1K1

There are a lot of theories out there, but unfortunately still very few proven facts. It's going to be very easy for people in Japan to dismiss this given we've dodged a bullet so far. But, things can change quickly. Not saying they will, and I certainly hope they don't. I'm just saying it's not yet the time for complacency.

4 ( +4 / -0 )

@kumagaijin

Also a good post!

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

Stop testing NOW! And, Bob's your uncle. Problem solved.

4 ( +5 / -1 )

I rarely make my comments about this thread, but I think blaming the government is not the right thing to do; especially if those who blame Abe san is not doing his/her part. I believe that if everyone does the basic thing to prevent this virus, things will be better.

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I have the feeling none of you lost their jobs during the first SOE and maybe that is why you think covid19 is scary !

From an employer perspective reading panic is very hard. The next SOE is gonna be rough I am sure.

The English teachers will be the first to go, the finance will follow and I don't see how you can keep the expensive engineers without money.

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""Cases in Tokyo have risen to a two-month high, driven by the spread of the virus in the capital's night spots. ""

LOCK IT DOWN, problem solved. every other nation is doing it, till things get better.

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"Stanford study done in April was showing than up to 4.7% of the population randomly tested was already carrying the antibody."

The Stanford study was flawed in at least 2 ways. The sample wasn't random, since they called for people who wanted to be test, via Facebook, etc. Also the number of false positives would be high for the test of their specificity relative to the true positives (probably outnumbering the true positives).

1 ( +2 / -1 )

Well one upside to this virus is places have been very liberal with the AC and flowing fresh air. My doctors office had the AC blasting and the doors left open...place is usually an inferno!

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To those knuckle heads still calling it a flu:

Does the flu result in permanent loss of smell and taste in 10 % of cases with such symptoms?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-53265280

So far reliable data from reliable Germany suggest a mortality rate about x4 the flu and a higher rate of infection. Still something most would people survive for sure, but we don't know much about long term affects.

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If there are greater incidences in places like bars, and nightclubs  . . . perhaps someone can develop a wash solution of Avigan, which can destroy the virus . . .  similarly, a disinfectant spray, sprayed over all suspected areas . . . .

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

Does the flu result in permanent loss of smell and taste

Yes ! This bit is actually very similar to covid19

-8 ( +1 / -9 )

In other news nationally zero people died yesterday or today.

Tokyo has had zero fatalities since 6/24

This isn't the flu but its not the end of the world either.

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Yes ! This bit is actually very similar to covid19

so you think it is valid to cut off the main point of a sentence in order to make sound as if they are "very similar"? It is understandable if you ignore things, what is completely invalid is to willingly persist in a position that has been demonstrated as false after giving up any effort to defend it.

Let me repeat the original comment

Does the flu result in permanent loss of smell and taste in 10 % of cases with such symptoms?

That is a huge difference.

6 ( +6 / -0 )

Start testing near train stations at rush hour and lets see how many cases you get.

Its pathetic even now with their ' increased focus ' they are testing around 2000 people daily in Tokyo. In Australia , Melbourne is experiencing a surge with 60 -100 cases daily this week and with 1/4 of Tokyo,s population they just tested 25,000 people in 24hours.

Japan,s testing continues to be pathetic so the ' Japan has escaped explosive numbers of infection' BS can be maintained, saving face is the highest priority here.

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@virusrex that is because there is no mention of permanent in the bbc link posted . read it . and you will see for yourself. influenza can also complicate like that.

-6 ( +0 / -6 )

what is completely invalid is to willingly persist in a position that has been demonstrated as false after giving up any effort to defend it

That is exactly what I am trying to convey here. It is not completely invalid. You (many of you) went after him completly missing the essence behind posts. His explanaition of the virus mechanism was completely accurate.

There is no guarantee the influenza vaccine will work in each an every context !

There is no treatment for influenza nor covid19

People are dying from influenza and covid19 or god forbid what else next year.

From a non virologist perspective there is no need to further dig deeper how exactly influenza strains differ from corona strains.

So why panic about covid19 and not about influenza ? why not panic about other issues that kill people ?

Again I repeat this is not ebola , you / we should consider lucky this time.

-5 ( +2 / -7 )

Precisely

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Just hope Tokyo is prepared to fall back into a self-lockdown again if the need arises.

Tokyo or the rest of Japan NEVER had a lockdown. That's a major part of the problem. The 'state of emergency' was a half-hearted attempt to tackle the pandemic. There were no penalties for people or companies disobeying the rules. Pachinko parlours were only shamed in shutting shop. People still went until they closed.

1 ( +2 / -1 )

Does the flu result in permanent loss of smell and taste in 10 % of cases with such symptoms?

The BBC article says this:

Almost 90% of people who lost their sense of smell or taste while infected with Covid-19 improved or recovered within a month, a study has found. ... But 10% said their symptoms remained the same or had worsened.

It's perhaps too early to assume it is permanent for that 10%, although it possibly could be.

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“Here’s a bit of shocking news to some. It is not on Abe, Trump, any government to deal with this. It is on you, me, and every individual on this planet to do OUR job as individuals to stem the spread of this annoying pandemic! Individual accountability! It starts there! You do your part! Essential movements only! Get out of the bars, cut leisure activities, reduce and consolidate essential daily tasks, be over vigilant in social distance, be overzealous in personal hygiene, wear a mask! Let government worry about the treatment capabilities, and R&D for immunization. EVERYONE plays a part. Until this happens, this will not stop!”

Good luck with that

0 ( +3 / -3 )

COVID-19 has not demonstrated any antigenic change nor recombination as usual for the influenzas ..

What is this @virusrex ? It jumped from an animal remember ! It is very capable for antigenic change and recombination.

-8 ( +0 / -8 )

Save lives.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Oh and @JBird please also compare the infections in children. Then find out how many of them have developed complications the severity as a result of influenza and also covid19.

-8 ( +0 / -8 )

Usually the weekends are their best PR day to say see see it's going down. Not this weekend. Thus the Monday and Tuesday readings should be even higher

5 ( +5 / -0 )

Despite the three-day string of high infections, Economy Minister Yasutoshi Nishimura said the government was not planning to reintroduce a state of emergency, telling a news conference it is looking at overall conditions, including the capacity of the medical system, when deciding the need for the emergency.

Conditions that are a state secret and even if known will simply be changed to serve the corporations, not protect actual people

5 ( +5 / -0 )

Today (SUnday) ill expect 150 or more.....

1 ( +1 / -0 )

@virusrex that is because there is no mention of permanent in the bbc link posted . read it . and you will see for yourself. influenza can also complicate like that.

It is there very clearly, did you even followed the link yourself? it immediately prove you wrong

But 10% said their symptoms remained the same or had worsened

What did you expect? people losing their sense of smell for years on a diseases present for half a year?

From a non virologist perspective there is no need to further dig deeper how exactly influenza strains differ from corona strains.

That is false, a mistake born from ignorance. It is extremely important to know the differences because that is what guides what is being done and what to expect from the future, has the virus recombined since the jump? is the antigenic domain of the spike protein any different? are neutralizing antibodies completely inneffective to some of the isolates but very effective to others? This is hugely important and means that both diseases are very different and vaccine development can be done with also very different amount of efforts.

What is this @virusrex ? It jumped from an animal remember ! It is very capable for antigenic change and recombination.

You again trying to disguise one full sentence for other that say something different? is it really that scary that your opinion can be so easily demonstrated as false that you have to shave sentences from the part that do it?

let me put it here again for you "...in half a year of being isolated"

That means that no, it is NOT very capable of antigenic change and recombination, the ancestral strain was, then it became covid-19 and after that we have observed not such a thing, even with world wide infections of millions of people.

So why panic about covid19 and not about influenza ? why not panic about other issues that kill people ?

Again I repeat this is not ebola , you / we should consider lucky this time.

Panic is not a response that can be recommended against anything. But it is extremely important to react much more strongly about covid-19 than to influenza because it produces much more death and sequelae EVEN under extremely heavy social distancing measures.

How is influenza transmission, hospitalization and lethal rates under a blockdown? how can you say both diseases are the same if you don't have that information?

This pandemic has a deep effect in public health, and people that do that work for a living in a very professional way are all in the opinion that more has to be done to control it and if not much more people are going to die and the economy will have a much more lasting slump that will end up causing many other secondary deaths.

One nameless person on the internet saying the contrary and defending his opinions only against purposefully redacted sentences because it cannot do anything against the real ones simply does not carry any weight in comparison.

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@n1k1

Oh and @JBird please also compare the infections in children.

I didn’t compare infections in adults, I just stated that erbaviva’s post was factually incorrect.

I did mention that the US death toll from COVID-19, even with all the precautions, is double the highest estimate of influenza deaths already. You’ll notice I didn’t include anything about their ages.

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Japan,s testing continues to be pathetic so the ' Japan has escaped explosive numbers of infection' BS can be maintained, saving face is the highest priority here.

I disagree. They withhold information on real numbers or don’t test not to save face but to avoid a panicking rush to hospitals and clinics and an eventual meltdown of the system. The priority seems to be remaining calm and avoiding hysteria.

Stop whining that the government or Koike san are not handling the Virus well. 

Can we whine about posters?

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Koike is targeting red light districts just like she was targeting pachinko. She doesn't like these places. She's hoping people will stop going out of fear and they will implode.

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A tv program yesterday mentioned that there were 300,yes that many,host and hostess clubs in Kabukicho alone!! How many can survive the stop going there call?

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doing too much testing ease back a bit I guarantee the numbers will decrease

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