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Tokyo coronavirus cases hit record daily high of 224; 80% in their 20s, 30s

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Damn, when the number was a little lower yesterday I was hopeful people were being more careful, but now this big number! This does not look good! Let's hope Koike's advice to stay in Tokyo is heeded by people and that this is not spread far and wide!

23 ( +27 / -4 )

And the woman in the picture shows exactly why I don't wear masks. They are stifling hot, creating lots of sweat.

Let the negative votes soar, but you know I'm right.

-73 ( +19 / -92 )

And selfish people like you help spreading.

56 ( +74 / -18 )

Don't blame the people at the Nightlife districts, blame people like YeahRight!

49 ( +64 / -15 )

Pfft, this is nothing.

Just wait until August when the upper limit to number of attendees for events gets removed, people are being encouraged to eat-in (20% off from go to campaign) instead of delivery or take-outs, etc. Japan government seems to be actively promoting behaviors to reduce social distancing.

Over 80% of the of the people in a recent survey plan to take advantage of the go to campaign in August, I’m sure that will go well.

12 ( +17 / -5 )

They are stifling hot, creating lots of sweat.

yep and when you catch the virus then take it home and infect your family youll wonder why you didnt put up with the discomfort for the safety of your family

43 ( +57 / -14 )

How does that mask that the woman is wearing show a stifling hot, sweaty summer situation? I sweat a lot and my mask never changes color. I think that’s just shadow.

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YeahRightToday  02:50 pm JST

And the woman in the picture shows exactly why I don't wear masks. They are stifling hot, creating lots of sweat.

So do your clothes in summer, are you going to go out without clothes too?

28 ( +36 / -8 )

The Japanese government has been thoroughly incompetent in all of the crisis. The only thing they did fast was to stop foreigners, including Japanese residents, from coming in. Probably this did not help in fighting covid 19, although it caused a great deal of suffering, by separating families,

Then minister Taro Aso boasted that Japan is doing a lot better than others countries because of mindo, i,e, cultural superiority.

Taro Aso should at least have waited to speak until the infection is over. Then history will tell who did better.

I wish Japan luck, but I am pessimistic.

30 ( +36 / -6 )

Don't blame the people at the Nightlife districts, blame people like YeahRight!

The government is using the nightlife workers as a scapegoat.

Of course they are a higher % of the daily positive totals, this is because they are testing literally everyone there. So it is not surprising that more of the reported cases are identified as nightlife workers. However, despite this, nightlife workers rarely exceeds 20-30% of totals, but the government and media act as if 100% of the infected are nightlife workers.

The government's messaging now is essentially if you are not involved with nightlife you have no risk. And with this scapegoat, when things gets bad, the government will take no blame and no responsibility.

29 ( +31 / -2 )

That old Kabukicho/ Ikebukuro record again. Where does it say this 224 comes from there?

This is a very poor and hurried news report. Mentioning Kabukicho and Ikebukuro but no confirmation the numbers are from there. No breakdown per district.

This is also proof that the Japanese government have totally ignored their own domestic cases and just point the finger at immigration. Nobody is being allowed in so this is proof they are looking in the wrong direction. Keep the foreign residents out but let their own Japanese cases get out of control.

Plus there is not much testing going on so multiply these numbers by at least 10.

13 ( +17 / -4 )

These numbers are not helpful if cannot be compared with the number of tests that have been carried out.

Does anybody know where we can check how many tests are performed daily?

10 ( +12 / -2 )

Damn, when the number was a little lower yesterday I was hopeful people were being more careful, but now this big number! 

The number of cases being reported today is a reflection of the situation around two weeks before, when the number of detected cases per day were still below 50. You will have to wait two weeks from today to see if this number makes people more careful or not, even if everybody stopped completely going out from this moment you would still see lots of cases being detected in the following days.

13 ( +16 / -3 )

And the shut window pictured at a peak hour shows why. Train conductors should open all windows before starting their rounds. Many closed windows everytime I board the train. It is really annoying. Nothing prevents better than proper aeriation.

15 ( +16 / -1 )

Maybe shutting down host/hostess clubs could be a start if it's really the reason for cases increase (I'm still doubtful of the government's communication and agenda but who knows...

6 ( +8 / -2 )

YeahRight's confirmation bias is so strong he's seeing sweat where there is none.

I have to recognize though, I do hate when my mask gets all shadowy and stuff.

7 ( +11 / -4 )

We are all doomed

2 ( +12 / -10 )

And the woman in the picture shows exactly why I don't wear masks. They are stifling hot, creating lots of sweat.

Let the negative votes soar, but you know I'm right.

You are the type of person letting this happen, you are putting us all at risk. If you aren't going to wear one, stay home.

11 ( +18 / -7 )

Japan was right on mask when so many other countries were wrong. It was right on outdoor activities when again it wasn’t widely known. However, this government is still murky in detail and plan and haven’t used the time to adequately prepare for the inevitable 2nd wave.

5 ( +11 / -6 )

The sceptical side in me considers that the virus is having a handy side effect for the government of keeping the people more docile than usual at the moment.

Let those who want to wear masks, wear them. Let those who have asthma or difficulty breathing in this horrible heat get a bit of slack.

People shouldn't be complacent, but this is not the Bubonic Plague either.

0 ( +11 / -11 )

The number has increased in recent weeks as authorities began testing people.....

But but but, we have to go to the office and stamp our hankos.

But we have to go to the office to "prove" we are working, instead of doing the same work at home, in order to help flatten the curve.

But Senpai told us we have to go drinking at the izakaya after work, because it's tradition.

But I have to hang out at the train stations with my boyfriends to do mandatory smoking and squat chatting.

But I have to go jogging on crowded sidewalks without my mask.

sigh Japan................

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frarisToday  03:14 pm JST

These numbers are not helpful if cannot be compared with the number of tests that have been carried out.

Does anybody know where we can check how many tests are performed daily?

This is the official Tokyo page in English with the counts, but they seem to be a day out.

https://stopcovid19.metro.tokyo.lg.jp/en/

It indicates that while the numbers of people testing positive is rising, taking into account today's figure after yesterday's drop in reported cases. the death rate continues to decline and the hospitalisation rate is showing a very small rise. Make of that what you will.

3 ( +5 / -2 )

Japan was right on mask when so many other countries were wrong. 

And fortunately most other countries now accept this given that the evidence supports a change in position. Unfortunately there are some who just do not accept science.

3 ( +5 / -2 )

Let those who have asthma or difficulty breathing in this horrible heat get a bit of slack.

People with respiratory diseases are in the extremely high risk group of serious illness and death if they catch this horrific virus. Theyd be smart enough to be avoiding crowded places and taking all the proper precautions, I am sure.

Wear a mask, wash hands very frequently, avoid crowded places, and stay home at any hint of a sniffle or sore throat. We are back to April reported cases - and rising.

6 ( +9 / -3 )

"Make of that what you will."

That it's not as bad as people are making it out to be?

0 ( +3 / -3 )

People shouldn't be complacent, but this is not the Bubonic Plague either.

You’re right, it’s killed far more people this year than the plague has.

8 ( +14 / -6 )

Tokyo has been striving to stem a rebound in infections

Funny. The government is "striving" to stem the rebound. But later in the same article we see what that consists of in actual practice:

Gov. Yuriko Koike said the metropolitan government plans to extend financial assistance to nightclubs and other facilities in Ikebukuro if they suspend operations at the request of authorities

and:

Koike has also requested residents to refrain from nonessential travel to other prefectures

It is extraordinarily pathetic. Literally just politely asking people to stop doing harmful stuff. That is it.

I'm not saying they need to go into full panic mode, but still it would be nice to get a sense that they were doing something rather than next to nothing.

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"You’re right, it’s killed far more people this year than the plague has"

I'm talking about when the Bubonic Plague first appeared, and wiped out a third of Europe's population, young and old.

With a few exceptions, COVID-19 generally has a greater effect on the elderly, or those with health issues.

-2 ( +7 / -9 )

I'm talking about when the Bubonic Plague first appeared, and wiped out a third of Europe's population, young and old. 

It’s a stupid comparison. You’re talking about two completely different eras... one where medicine was far less advanced than it is now. What would Covid-19 have done if it spread in that era. Impossible to know. All we know is now. People need to stop underestimating this.

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Remember..the coronavirus aid relief law passed contributed to much higher numbers(hospitals receive double or triple funding)..in some states only symptoms needed to be display for diagnoses of cv. Similar legislation passed in Japan a couple weeks ago..I'm not surprised at all since hospitals are less averse to diagnosing ppl with Corona now( receive funding) calm down guys no need to get carried away. Nothing to panic about here. That will just make it worse

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That woman's mask really does look disgusting. I've not seen it often, but I have seen people whose masks are all wet and disgusting-looking like that.

It’s a shadow!

6 ( +7 / -1 )

"People need to stop underestimating this."

People need to stop overestimating this

-5 ( +10 / -15 )

So? And they’ll get higher. And all those people will get better. People are mistaking infections with deaths.

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Christopher GlenToday  03:55 pm JST

"Make of that what you will."

That it's not as bad as people are making it out to be?

Probably, yeah.

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So? And they’ll get higher. And all those people will get better. People are mistaking infections with deaths

There is no need to make that mistake to be worried, the point is that an increasing number of cases (and a higher percentage of positive results from the total of tests, and the proportion of cases without a clear epidemiological link, etc.) means that the disease is not being controlled, and if nothing is done about it the cases will continue to increase until it reaches the vulnerable population or swamp the health services and then a very important number of deaths and long lasting disabilities that could have been prevented will happen.

Your commentary is like saying that a fire alarm is nothing to worry about because it is not like it is loud enough to make you deaf permanently.

3 ( +11 / -8 )

Lots of new cases but very few deaths. 200 is a lot though, just hope it doesn't start getting up into the 1000s.

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It’s a stupid comparison. You’re talking about two completely different eras... one where medicine was far less advanced than it is now. What would Covid-19 have done if it spread in that era. Impossible to know. All we know is now. People need to stop underestimating this.

We would know that numbers wouldn't be able to be cooked because they didn't have the proper institutional arrangements in place. (Large hospitals/administrators who manage the increased funds) (no legislation)..we also know the young (especially school age children) are at extremely low risk of suffering severe symptoms,let alone transmit the virus. We might be able to tell something was going on with the elderly. BUT The main thing we would look at are the numbers of dead bodies lying all over the place ( which was the case with the plague) and it would be hard to judge that because the total numbers of deaths worldwide( i mean overall deaths in concrete terms,regardless of causes) have not increased in 2020 remarkably at all compared to 2019( I think even lower). Therefore we might not have been able to even know anything was spreading in the 13th century if the CV spread back then.

-5 ( +2 / -7 )

And the woman in the picture shows exactly why I don't wear masks. They are stifling hot, creating lots of sweat

Am I the only one that see it as the mask being in contact with the glass? that is no sweat at all.

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With only about 2000 tests per day, which gives a 10 % positive rate, well above the 5 % threshold that the WHO classifies as "concerning". 10% being "caused for alarm", so should we be "alarmed"?

And let's not forget that above 40 % of infection routes are unknown (in other words either voluntarily not tracked, or impossible to track).

And that's from the official numbers: https://stopcovid19.metro.tokyo.lg.jp/en/. Who knows what's the real extent of the epidemic in Japan?

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We would know that numbers wouldn't be able to be cooked because they didn't have the proper institutional arrangements in place. (Large hospitals/administrators who manage the increased funds) (no legislation)..we also know the young (especially school age children) are at extremely low risk of suffering severe symptoms,let alone transmit the virus. We might be able to tell something was going on with the elderly. BUT The main thing we would look at are the numbers of dead bodies lying all over the place ( which was the case with the plague) and it would be hard to judge that because the total numbers of deaths worldwide( i mean overall deaths in concrete terms,regardless of causes) have not increased in 2020 remarkably at all compared to 2019( I think even lower). Therefore we might not have been able to even know anything was spreading in the 13th century if the CV spread back then.

-5 ( +2 / -7 )

I do not wear mask too.

-11 ( +5 / -16 )

You are overreacting. That is just the fold and light on her mask. If a mask is wet with sweat, it wouldn't look like that.

6 ( +9 / -3 )

Ok guys I understand you give me negative rating if you disagree, but don't my facts sort of make sense? I don't want to sound all high and mighty, but isn't it a bad thing to not think critically and automatically think this virus is extremely deadly? Don't get me wrong I'm not some right winger at all. As a matter of fact I'm the first to criticize this administration or any others on the basis of their honesty. I am a hegelian, I'm idealist, you could even call me a lefty( but liberal when it comes to size of govt as that just concentrates power in hands of bureaucrats creating a new elite that were sought to be destroyed) at the same time I think it is odd to neglect facts because it's contrary to what you see in the news( which is famous for skewing facts to fit a narrative at the expense of scaring people shitless) I just don't want people to freak out get depressed and shoot themselves. If ur old,take the necessary precautions. Your at risk for many things. If you don't wanna croak early stay safe, stay clean and avoid catching any kind of respiratory disease. But c'mon guys, my facts are objective and clean. People act in the way that they perceive is I. Their best interest. And that includes hospital administrators and politicians.

-5 ( +5 / -10 )

And guys don't you think the panic narrative can be used as a means of political gain and mobilization to ostracize against a group? Aka nationalist narratives of a certain country that certainly for the love of God not benefit anyone here( That's the kind of thing politicians will do, and they'll do anything to consolidate and acquire votes)

-9 ( +3 / -12 )

You are the type of person letting this happen, you are putting us all at risk. If you aren't going to wear one, stay home.

No. If you are sick you should stay home. If you are at risk, you should stay home. If you are scared, you should stay home. I am not the type of person letting this happen. Those who are scaremongering are letting this happen. If you are sick, at risk, scared, etc., stay home. Let the rest of us breathe the fresh air without getting heat exhaustion and sweaty.

-9 ( +7 / -16 )

Media is focusing at Tokyo but I checked just now: as of 7/7 effective reproduction number in Osaka was 6.15. Tokyo reproduction number was 1.61

0 ( +2 / -2 )

The number of confirmed cases related to nightlife establishments has risen recently

Are they actually tracing all the cases? The number of cases in Tokyo as a whole "has risen recently", so is it necessary to single out nightclubs?

If nightclubs are the main source, then action should be taken, such as shutting them down. If not, the government should not be blaming them and let us know what is actually going on.

6 ( +7 / -1 )

There's no way around it yeahright. You are adding to the risks if you're mingling with people without a mask.

1 ( +8 / -7 )

With only about 2000 tests per day, which gives a 10 % positive rate, well above the 5 % threshold that the WHO classifies as "concerning". 10% being "caused for alarm", so should we be "alarmed"?

Surely they can easily solve this by testing less.

Am I right in thinking you can still only get a test if you have symptoms and your doctor manages to persuade the powers that be?

If so, there's surely a higher likelihood of more tests being positive.

Test more - all and sundry, anyone and everyone who wants one - and surely you'd be testing more people who aren't infected, and so get a lower positive rate.

 If you are sick you should stay home.

How do you know you aren't infected, but without symptoms?

I don't see anyone coughing in the street, slumped on benches with a fever... everyone looks reasonably healthy. Yet still the virus is spreading. It's being spread by folk who are sure they're not infected and so take no precautions to protect others.

Folk like you.

Invalid CSRF

9 ( +13 / -4 )

There is no need to make that mistake to be worried, the point is that an increasing number of cases (and a higher percentage of positive results from the total of tests, and the proportion of cases without a clear epidemiological link, etc.) means that the disease is not being controlled

People in Shinjuku are getting paid if they test positive. I think that is why higher percentage of positive results from the total of tests. They got infected as part of a scheme to make quick 10 man and testing.

Not testing enough (true for japan) also means the disease is not being controlled. We should have seen more deaths and long lasting disabilities by now don't you think ?

Your commentary is like saying that a fire alarm is nothing to worry about because it is not like it is loud enough to make you deaf permanently.

His commentary and your commentary quality wise aren't that different

-6 ( +4 / -10 )

Is Tokyo ready to admit the pandemic is not under control? They keep posting these daily numbers, but add them all up and it's a thousand new cases in the last week.

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“Ok guys I understand you give me negative rating if you disagree,”

Anyone who dares to go against the popular narrative of doom and gloom I guess

-1 ( +9 / -10 )

I hope Avigan is still being used/ considered, as it appears to have helped Mainland China in bringing their figures down to single digits . . . also U S EPA recently approved 99.9% spray disinfectant as able to kill the virus,

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/lifestyle/epa-approves-2-lysol-cleaning-sprays-that-kill-the-coronavirus-in-2-minutes-161224269.html

1 ( +3 / -2 )

Judging by the number of deaths and the amount of serious cases, 200+ new cases in a city were 40 million people converge, it isn't that bad, stop the fearmongering. Japanese people for the most part are very clean, take baths, remove their shoes in the house, eat healthy, aren't on meds or are obese, this won't go exponential like in the west.

-8 ( +5 / -13 )

And the woman in the picture shows exactly why I don't wear masks. They are stifling hot, creating lots of sweat.

I do not wear mask too.

And that's why you're part of the problem

People need to stop overestimating this

I this case, I think it would a lot better to overestimate than downplay or underestimate.

People are still very complacent. The government is downplaying the gravity of this situation way way too much. I also think businesses need to step up their game a bit an not allow people into stores who refuse to wear masks.

I went to a Starbucks this morning, no one was practicing social distancing; the tables were packed with people wearing no masks and taking loudly to each other. I walked immediately. This is soooo irresponsible and places like this deserve to be shutdown!

3 ( +10 / -7 )

With most Japanese public schools back to normal, I'm surprised there hasn't been any major outbreaks and school closures (knock on wood). Only a couple more weeks until summer break. It feels like the government is just holding its breath for a few weeks and then kids will be 'safe' back at home. On the other hand, perhaps a weaker strain of this virus really did run its course back in January/February in many places giving some municipalities herd immunity. That might be wishful thinking, but regardless of how the government has handled this pandemic, Japan has either dodged a bullet or just keeps dodging them.

-5 ( +1 / -6 )

We can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. The Japanese public saw the monetary and psychological damage caused by shut-downs and have chosen to take their chances. The low death rates have turned out to be an "accepted risk" just like with other dangers in society. These higher positive numbers will keep some at home and will also trigger more personal prudence for those who are out and about. It is refreshing to see the general population decide their own fates rather than a few people in government. You wouldn't know it from reading JT forums but most Japanese people are objective, sensible, and reasonable. I trust Japan won't turn out to be a Corona disaster.

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I think that is why higher percentage of positive results from the total of tests. They got infected as part of a scheme to make quick 10 man and testing.

What if someone else does not think the same? is that enough to make your reason false?

Even if that was a real reason, based on anything else but your personal subjective consideration, that does not negate the main point which is that the disease is out of control, it would only give one extra reason why the disease fell out ot control.

Not testing enough (true for japan) also means the disease is not being controlled. We should have seen more deaths and long lasting disabilities by now don't you think ?

No, that is false, not testing enough only means we would not know if the diseases is controlled or not, or that lack of control is easier to appear before it is detected, like we are experiencing now. If other measures are done correctly it is perfectly possible that the disease is controlled even if we are not able to confirm it because of lack of testing.

In this case it is very obvious that lack of testing would be one of the things that contributes to this apparently increasing rate of spreading, but it is not the only thing that is being done about it.

His commentary and your commentary quality wise aren't that different

Because of your personal opinion based on no data that actually support the main point of mine? or because you misunderstood completely what is the relationship between testing and control of a disease?

An opinion that can be demonstrated as wrong is very different from an opinion with a main point that you could not understand. Even if for you they look the same.

5 ( +7 / -2 )

Judging by the number of deaths and the amount of serious cases, 200+ new cases in a city were 40 million people converge, it isn't that bad, stop the fearmongering.

This silliness is part of the problem.

200 plus people out of how many tested?

Not 40 million, bud.

7 ( +10 / -3 )

We can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. The Japanese public saw the monetary and psychological damage caused by shut-downs and have chosen to take their chances. The low death rates have turned out to be an "accepted risk" just like with other dangers in society. These higher positive numbers will keep some at home and will also trigger more personal prudence for those who are out and about. It is refreshing to see the general population decide their own fates rather than a few people in government. You wouldn't know it from reading JT forums but most Japanese people are objective, sensible, and reasonable. I trust Japan won't turn out to be a Corona disaster.

Best comment ever!

1 ( +8 / -7 )

I'm surprised there hasn't been any major outbreaks and school closures (knock on wood). 

There isn't anything surprising, it is known now that children do not catch (or develop symptoms) or spread the virus.

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

If we have to announce national emergency again, it will give traumatic damages to Japanese economy.

-2 ( +4 / -6 )

vanityofvanities=good english.

Please don't mask shame the poor woman, she's stuck on a train next to a bunch of nice smelling ojisan.

2 ( +4 / -2 )

If we have to announce national emergency again, it will give traumatic damages to Japanese economy.

The last national emergency was a joke! People going to pachinko, trains still packed, not practicing social distancing, people out and about as if everything was hunky dory. If they had done a REAL lock down, we might have been over with this by now!

0 ( +7 / -7 )

Yesterday, 60,000 in one day in the USA. 20,000 in all of Japan. We shouldn't complain. But be diligent.

-6 ( +3 / -9 )

Gokaiwomaneku , thank you. You are truly an expert, you should take Dr. Fauci's job.

8 ( +8 / -0 )

There isn't anything surprising, it is known now that children do not catch (or develop symptoms) or spread the virus.

This is COMPLETELY WRONG! Children have had, and have died from it. And children can be carriers as well....Please STOP spreading false information!!

Cases of children who have had died from covid19:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-53097646

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/23/five-children-have-died-of-coronavirus-in-uk-study-reveals

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2020/04/19/5-year-old-first-michigan-child-dies-coronavirus/5163094002/

https://www.businessinsider.com/can-children-spread-the-coronavirus-to-others-evidence-2020-5

2 ( +12 / -10 )

The government changed the protocol for testing in red light districts and increased testing. The mask have nothing to do with this.

0 ( +4 / -4 )

Even if that was a real reason, based on anything else but your personal subjective consideration, that does not negate the main point which is that the disease is out of control, it would only give one extra reason why the disease fell out ot control.

No! It means it was never controllable. Life is complicated. This will blow your mind, listen, boys like to kiss girls on the mouth and sometime they use their tongues.

Because of your personal opinion based on no data that actually support the main point of mine? or because you misunderstood completely what is the relationship between testing and control of a disease

I am not saying let's be complacent and pretend everything is OK. I am just saying let's worry ( think this is your point ) equally about other aspects of life and cut down on decor like "deaths and long lasting consequences".

An opinion that can be demonstrated as wrong is very different from an opinion with a main point that you could not understand. Even if for you they look the same.

Completely agree! I am glad you saying this.

-7 ( +1 / -8 )

This is COMPLETELY WRONG! Children have had, and have died from it. And children can be carriers as well....Please STOP spreading false information!!

You are the one spreading false information by just cheery peaking isolate cases that are not statically relevant. And you are being dishonest by just picking up media coverage which are not scientific publications. Media coverage are not scientific proofs, rigorous scientific studies are.

A recent study from Italian researches has tracked the progression of a virus in a small town called Vo of around 3,000 residents. This is the best so far attempt to study the dynamics of the virus in an environment where the interactions between people are the closest to real life, in comparison to what we had so far which are cruise ships where similar detailed surveys were done. The results are as follows: 40 percent of the infected individuals never developed any symptoms; Over the course of the study, 16 percent of those infected ended up in the hospital; Older individuals were nearly three times more likely to develop an infection, also consistent with what's been seen elsewhere. Of the 234 children in the study population, none ended up infected by the virus, even though some of them shared a house with an infected individual.

The results are in accordance to similar results obtained from studies made in France by the Pasteur Institute and other countries. So I would invite you to read those studies instead of trying to spread false information. And unless you have solid scientific background to dispute the results in those studies, I would invite you to just stop arguing about things you don't understand.

http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/s41586-020-2488-1

https://www.pasteur.fr/fr/espace-presse/documents-presse/covid-19-ecoles-primaires-pas-transmission-importante-du-virus-entre-enfants-ou-enseignants

-4 ( +7 / -11 )

I meant "cheery picking" and "statistically relevant".

-6 ( +2 / -8 )

This is COMPLETELY WRONG! Children have had, and have died from it. And children can be carriers as well....Please STOP spreading false information!!

Children also die from other problems. I have seen you comenting how gross and irresponsible some parents here on the news are.

Yes they can be carriers. Dogs and Cats too (also not very controllable group) . It just one more thing to keep in mind when going to starbucks. (btw. congrats , it is a good first step forward)

-7 ( +1 / -8 )

But but but, we have to go to the office and stamp our hankos.

Try to change to e-signature system?

But we have to go to the office to "prove" we are working, instead of doing the same work at home, in order to help flatten the curve.

No need to 'prove' tell your Senpai to trust that the work will be done

But Senpai told us we have to go drinking at the izakaya after work, because it's tradition.

Tell Senpai if tired, no need to force people to drink, it is unhealthy for the body and may affect work performance.

But I have to hang out at the train stations with my boyfriends to do mandatory smoking and squat chatting.

Quit smoking, it is expensive, looks ugly and bad for health.

But I have to go jogging on crowded sidewalks without my mask.

You can wear a thinner mask or the new UNIQLO AirISM sports mask, so you can breath better and protect yourself at the same time.

Solved for Japan~!

0 ( +1 / -1 )

@Mirai Hayashi

By the way, there were 28,000-111,500 deaths in children younger than 5 years attributable to influenza-associated ALRI (acute lower respiratory infections) in 2008, with 99% of these deaths occurring in developing countries. Just to put things in perpective for people like you who can't bother checking the science.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22078723/

-10 ( +3 / -13 )

And the woman in the picture shows exactly why I don't wear masks. They are stifling hot, creating lots of sweat.

I could never understand this type of selfish behavior. Your comfort is more important than the health and safety of everyone?

I got friends and family with cancer, diabetes and heart disease. I got tumors growing in me.

I can't say how much it ticks me off every time I see someone like you, nonchalant with no mask, spewing your germs in public.

Under my mask are beads of sweat. I'll gladly deal with the discomfort than risk getting someone sick.

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daito_hak

Of the 234 children in the study population, none ended up infected by the virus, even though some of them shared a house with an infected individual.

A small Italian town with 3000 residents? This is practically anecdotal. Just because 234 children didn't contract the virus does not mean that "children do not catch (or develop symptoms) or spread the virus." (your exact words) As I mentioned earlier, children HAVE contracted and died from the virus in the UK, Australia, and the US.

You can argue that children are less susceptible to infection; you can even say that they are less likely to be carriers, but you cannot say that they haven't of can't get the virus. because they CAN and they HAVE.

BTW, second article, completely in French...don't understand a word ...sorry.

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Are they actually tracing all the cases?

Think about the pressure around Koike everyday and think about how angry she will be if his cabinet do a poor job or something that humiliates or lower his credibility...

The number of cases in Tokyo as a whole "has risen recently", so is it necessary to single out nightclubs?

Everytime they announce the numbers, they mention the percentage of known routes and unknown routes, most of the times the known routes are more than 40% and most of them traced from the nightclubs with the average age between 20 - 40 years old, the nightclubs are the most known source (clusters) but because the number of infected are lower than 100 per club i think they think they can contain it's spread without ordering them to close the doors...like drunk / happy people are able to refrain themselves...

About the unknown routes i presume they have a record of all the most probable possibilites, trains, restaurants, shops, buses etc..

0 ( +0 / -0 )

 can't say how much it ticks me off every time I see someone like you, nonchalant with no mask, spewing your germs in public. 

I understand your anger if you have some health issues. But as long we do not cough or eventually talk, having a mask or not does not change as there isn’t any spray of germs. You know for sure.

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

The medical system is presently not under a strain," health minister Katsunobu Kato told reporters in response to the latest figure.

The objective has always been not to strain the medical system rather than to contain the virus and to achieve said goal testing has been restricted as much as possible.

It is all smoke and mirrors.

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I understand your anger if you have some health issues. But as long we do not cough or eventually talk, having a mask or not does not change as there isn’t any spray of germs. You know for sure

I sometimes cough and sneeze. I can’t tell when it’s coming.

Just do others a favour and put a mask on. I don’t like wearing them but the welfare of others matters to me. Think of it like giving your seat on the train to someone who needs it.

This anti-mask behaviour reminds me of selfish, spoiled children.

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Tokyo has been striving to stem a rebound in infections since a nationwide state of emergency was lifted in late May. The pace of increase in virus infections in Japan had slowed after new cases in the capital peaked at the previous high of 206 on April 17.

I won't call 2000 test in one of the richest city in the world with a pop of 14M as striving, it is pretending something is being done. This virus will never be contained with test restricted.

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A small Italian town with 3000 residents? This is practically anecdotal. Just because 234 children didn't contract the virus does not mean that 

Did you read the article? I don’t think so because you can’t understand it. The sample size used in the study is standard size in epidemiology studies and is representative to investigate the dynamics of how the virus spread. The article was peer-reviewed so the method and analysis were judged scientifically correct. But you, a random guy on internet who knows nothing about epidemiology has the face to say it’s anecdotal. On what ground? Well nothing because you are not qualified to give an opinion here. And you picked up a few isolate cases from the media and make a rule of it but in the same time you say that a scientific study that you can’t understand is anecdotal. Do you even realize how stupid is your point? This is what I thought, you don’t know what you are talking about. What don’t you just go back to reading your mangas?

Concerning the French article, I was not expecting you to read it. I gave it as a reference. Even in English you wouldn’t understand it anyway.

And at this you didn’t provide any scientific evidence that contradicts my point. None.

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As long as most of them hardly feel sick or anything who cares ?

I don't see the Problem, as the Article states, most of these people are very young and worldwide there is a super small ammount of young people that actually died because of Corona.

They should try to protect the Seniors as good as possible and let everyone else do whatever they want.

I doubt that the numbers Worldwide are accurate anyways, there are many studies that "prove" that there are way more infected then known. There was one in Germany, Heinzberg that assumed about 15% more then known then there was one in Austria, Ischgl where they said that about 42% of all the people in town had Antibodies ! so at least 42 were infected, probably more as some other studies show that not everyone who was infected has intibodies plus some "loose" them after a short while again.

Then there was an American one, made on a WarShip where they also had numbers about 30-40% and just recently there was the newest one (forgot where it was made) that had numbers around 50%

So even if Tokyo only has 10-20% of the population infected withouth knowing it would be more then a Million and hardly anybody died out of the norm. (you know places like tokyo have about 500 people or more dieing every single day due to age or illness)

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The government is using the nightlife workers as a scapegoat.

Of course they are a higher % of the daily positive totals, this is because they are testing literally everyone there. So it is not surprising that more of the reported cases are identified as nightlife workers.

Exactly.

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No! It means it was never controllable. Life is complicated. This will blow your mind, listen, boys like to kiss girls on the mouth and sometime they use their tongues.

Show your data and analysis, the experts' opinion clearly contradict yours and they do have the valid authority and data to prove their point.

Countries have controlled the spreading, Japan has not special condition that makes it impossible, so you are demonstrably wrong.

I am not saying let's be complacent and pretend everything is OK. I am just saying let's worry ( think this is your point ) equally about other aspects of life and cut down on decor like "deaths and long lasting consequences".

So just another "all lives matter"?

Sorry but no, there must be priorities and some things have to be treated with more urgency than others, the situation right now is not terrible, but it is going that way, and following your horrible advice would mean that we should only worry about thousands over thousands of deaths after we get to the point where we cannot do anything about it; that is absolutely negative. We know deaths and long lasting consequences happen with this disease, a lot of effort has been done so it did not happen here and it has been relatively successful until now, but seeing clear signs of things going out of control is precisely the time where something can be done and the worse case scenario can be prevented.

Completely agree! I am glad you saying this.

Nevertheless you keep repeating the same mistaken opinion without even trying to defend it. Being glad about it while still being mistaken is not something you should be contempt with.

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(you know places like tokyo have about 500 people or more dieing every single day due to age or illness)

where I’m from the general idea is you try to prevent death regardless the cause.

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These numbers are not helpful if cannot be compared with the number of tests that have been carried out.

Does anybody know where we can check how many tests are performed daily?

224 infected cases are from 3129 test that was carried out on monday.

What should be understood with the results is that the nightlife districts of kabukicho and ikebukuro are cooperating and testing and with so many asymthomatic cases and unknown infections the spread in the general population is unknown.

The numbers will be scary if the testing was extended to the general population.

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Haven’t read everything. Someone near the top was asking about testing numbers, etc.

Here’s a useful website. Make sure you scroll down to see everything, including selecting prefectures. You can toggle between new and total cases too.

https://toyokeizai.net/sp/visual/tko/covid19/en.html

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Just walked passed plenty of Izakaya FULL of red faced Ojisan, maybe their just testing young peoples venues, try harder.

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daito_hak

> Concerning the French article, I was not expecting you to read it. I gave it as a reference. Even in English you wouldn’t understand it anyway.

So you posted two links to articles, one in a language that I don't understand because I don't read French (not too well anyways ). For all I know, the French article could've been talking about puppies, so why even post it? Seems like you just want to cite anything to prove a moot point, and did so unsuccessfully. Try finding an article that we can all read next time.

Did you read the article?

Yes, i read the English article, and as I said, it's practically anecdotal because its a small case study with a small sampling, in a single area with people who most likely have similar DNA makeups. In order for this to be a more "scientific" study, it would have to have been conducted with larger sampling, stretching multiple countries and or more ethnicities (a more diverse DNA sampling). Otherwise, the result of the study is only relevant to the people of that small town.

Well nothing because you are not qualified to give an opinion here.

Well if you are saying that I am not expert, then you are right. I don't know a lot about viruses per se, but I do work for a genetic research company that studies and tests for covid19. I talk to the REAL experts on a daily basis, and based on their expert knowledge, I can conclusively say that children are NOT immured. It depends on the virus strain, he genetic makeup of the individual, and whether or not they have a pre-existing condition that makes them more vulnerable.

Do you even realize how stupid is your point?

This is what I thought, you don’t know what you are talking about. What don’t you just go back to reading your mangas?

Hmmm...well, I let others decide who sounds more intelligent here.

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yeahright is no wrong.

using an incorrect understanding of a single photograph, to explain and try to justify an utterly meaningless course of action, where to begin? like gazing into the grand canyon , infinite foolishness, all around

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@Reckless - I wonder if there are suitable substitutes such as less restrictive bandana like masks, or transparent face shields for people with breathing problems?

Yes, there are. There are transparent full face shields that cover your face from your forehead downwards, smaller ones that cover from the chin to above the nose. My wife uses both of them, and finds no restrictions on breathing. There are also some high-flow cycling masks, with N95 filters and exhalation valves, and an extra band behind the neck, making them great for sports.

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Numerical figures are no longer relevant, an expert Pannel disbanded kind of getting the idea the government just want to ignor the problem. Ha aa chew. Sorry about that,! Should put a mask on.

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only a face shield without a mask, you will be breathing the virus deep into your lungs

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

an expert Pannel disbanded

And if you were up to date you'd know

that a new panel was formed with some new

members to balance the spread of the virus

and keeping the economy going.

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Show your data and analysis, the experts' opinion clearly contradict yours and they do have the valid authority and data to prove their point.

Sweden data . expert Andress Tegnell. Everything else is rather one dimensional testicle numbing based eaither on bad data, bad data interpretation or interests.

Countries have controlled the spreading, Japan has not special condition that makes it impossible, so you are demonstrably wrong

Countries think have controlled the virus, but fine I will comment.

China, I don't know what do you think ? Reliable data ? Plus they can really lockdown and also build hospitals in 7 days. Not sure we have these powers here in Shinjuku.

S.Korea .. this country is basically at war. They panicked a bit in the begining to probably show their adversaries we are ready. In reality I wouldn't be surprised if actually noone really knows.

N.Zealand . Well probably Tottori too has control over the virus

So just another "a lllives matter"?

Yes

Sorry but no, there must be priorities and some things have to be treated with more urgency than others, the situation right now is not terrible, but it is going that way, and following your horrible advice would mean that we should only worry about thousands over thousands of deaths after we get to the point where we cannot do anything about it; that is absolutely negative

Oh like what ? what is it we can do now ? please tell us what you think. So far you only comment on what other people think on specific sentences around typing mistakes. Tell us virusrex what should we do.

Nevertheless you keep repeating the same mistaken opinion without even trying to defend it. Being glad about it while still being mistaken is not something you should be contempt with.

Neither should you !

-6 ( +2 / -8 )

80% are under 40 year olds working in late night entertainment, only one of which is in a serious condition. Don’t panic but heed the not so hidden message...AVOID THESE PLACES.

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Sweden data . expert Andress Tegnell. Everything else is rather one dimensional testicle numbing based eaither on bad data, bad data interpretation or interests.

So one single country doing something extremely different from what was done here on a very different degree somehow proves that this completely different control attempt was useless? even when by every single metric the results were different from the beginning?

Nope, that "data" just proves that you don't understand what controls means and how it can be done, it neither disproved any of the experts that think it is perfectly possible to do it, as it was here.

Countries think have controlled the virus, but fine I will comment.

...

No, countries have controlled the disease, controlling does not mean eradicate it from the planet or even their country, it means keeping the spreading to a certain degree that is manageable.

N.Zealand . Well probably Tottori too has control over the virus

Which still proves you wrong, thanks for doing it yourself.

Yes

Good to see you abandoned your pretenses of being rational and accepted you simply are "defending" a mistaken point for whatever reasons.

Oh like what ? what is it we can do now ? please tell us what you think. So far you only comment on what other people think on specific sentences around typing mistakes. Tell us virusrex what should we do.

The experts all over the world have already put forward literally dozens and dozens of different strategies that work, on the other hand a nameless person on the internet says it is impossible, even when it has already been done. It is impossible to detail exactly what to do without the information that the government has, but it is very obvious that in general the population has to be tested more, educated more, more detailed and strong measures to support social distancing at all levels.

One thing that for sure has to stop is thinking you can worry about it once thousands of deaths begin to happen, like you do.

Neither should you !

And I don't, because I have proved you wrong several times, and you have only proved yourself wrong here.

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80% are under 40 year olds working in late night entertainment, only one of which is in a serious condition. Don’t panic but heed the not so hidden message...AVOID THESE PLACES.

Phew! What a relief!

Hopefully those under 40 year olds live, work and recreate within the same 100m radius they all contracted the virus in. Let’s lock that 100m down!

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So one single country doing something extremely different from what was done here on a very different Nope, that "data" just proves that you don't understand what controls means and how it can be done, it neither disproved any of the experts that think it is perfectly possible to do it, as it was here.

What ? Was it ? When ? In December last year ? It isn't anymore ?

No, countries have controlled the disease, controlling does not mean eradicate it from the planet or even their country, it means keeping the spreading to a certain degree that is manageable.

Not too many people die in Japan. And this is a good data. Japan is managing the virus just right deaths and hospitals. And unless there are indicators that this is no longer true, there is no need for panic.

Which still proves you wrong, thanks for doing it yourself.

What ? LOL. Right. Bravo N.Zealand. Now the only thing left is how to lock the country down in a way that it doesn't backfire into a complete chaos.

And I don't, because I have proved you wrong several times, and you have only proved yourself wrong here.

Really ?

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Ok so none of us know the true figures relating to coved 19 in Japan. But what we do know is that, the media is only telling us what the J gov wants the people to believe. Hell they still dream about a successful Olympics.

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What ? Was it ? When ? In December last year ? It isn't anymore ?

When the number of infected, sick and deaths are withing manageable levels and without progressive increase. That should be obvious.

Not too many people die in Japan. And this is a good data. Japan is managing the virus just right deaths and hospitals. And unless there are indicators that this is no longer true, there is no need for panic.

A progressive increase of the number of detected cases, an increase of the percentage of positives results from the tested people, a failure to get epidemiological links of infections for the mayority of the detected cases, all these are indicators that the control is not adequate.

There is never a reason to panic, but definitely there are reasons to step up the measures for control because this becomes more an more difficult the more the indicators become worse. Your problem is thinking that there are only two things to do, panic or ignore the problem, this is false.

What ? LOL. Right. Bravo N.Zealand. Now the only thing left is how to lock the country down in a way that it doesn't backfire into a complete chaos.

Because NZ is in complete chaos? or that is also just another non argument from you?

No, there is no such thing as "the only thing left" there are many different things to try, the one that you are suggesting (doing nothing) is not working. Why do you ask questions if you are going to ignore the answers? did that sound like there is only one more thing to do?

Really ?

If you first say something is impossible, and in the next reply you even make a list of that exact thing happening, that means that yes, you proved yourself wrong.

You abandoning your arguments every time they are proved false also makes easier to think that.

3 ( +6 / -3 )

What a mess,they’re trying so hard to keep the narrative alive that Japan is one of the less infected countries in the world with soo low and approximate tests.

7 ( +8 / -1 )

yes the masks are hot and uncomfortable. but its not only about you.

2 ( +4 / -2 )

the girl in the pic aint typical. they likely pulled a pic from the internet just to emphasize how uncomfortable the masks can be.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Japan is doing 2.5% the number of PCR tests that countries like Australia are doing. Try multiplying 225 cases by 200. The government has their head in the sand.

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Japan has failed miserably in their handling of covid 19. The lies since February , the pathetic “state of emergency” , and the fudged number of daily cases.

The actual number of cases here in Japan is probably 10x higher than what has been reported.

Cancel the bloody Olympics already. Everyone with half a brain knows there is zero chance of the games happening next summer.

8 ( +10 / -2 )

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-tests-per-thousand-people-smoothed-7-day?tab=table

225 should be multiplied by 40 for the real number of cases in Japan per day.

4 ( +5 / -1 )

Lightning doesn't strike twice, but it is reality in Japan. The virus spiked after the cancelation of Olympics, and spiked again after the election of "LDP" offered leaders. What a joke election !

3 ( +4 / -1 )

“Cancel the bloody Olympics already. Everyone with half a brain knows there is zero chance of the games happening next summer.”

On this I actually agree

2 ( +5 / -3 )

I wish the government would declare a SoE again, just so that my workplace would take corona seriously. They're back to 'business as usual' because there's no state of emergency. Like... The virus just got up and left because it ended. Stupidity of the highest degree.

2 ( +4 / -2 )

“Ok so none of us know the true figures relating to coved 19 in Japan. But what we do know is that, the media is only telling us what the J gov wants the people to believe. Hell they still dream about a successful Olympics.”

Today’s cases for Tokyo - in large part tested from nightlife workers - were enough to get many Japanese in a frothing panic.

I sanitise and wear a mask when I absolutely must. But by the same token, this issue has been over-hyped. Initially I was on the side of the OMG, what is happening crowd.

But I changed my mind after a bit. Fear and paranoia are the greater enemies now. People fear most what they don’t understand.

And for many, their fear has outgrown the actual danger of the virus.

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So after six months we and most of the world end up copying the swedish model.

All talk and actions from the government certainly indicate this.

Hopefully the government have learnt what has gone right and wrong there and we can keep deaths to a minimum.

-6 ( +2 / -8 )

Check out Wikipedia for "natural exponential function" or a very rapid increase.

It happened in Italy, USA, England, Brazil and so on. As we all no by now this virus is vicious, knows no limits, and has no borders.

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Help me out, if a person tests Negative, does that mean they are Immuned and can go on without testing for a long time!??

I don't understand! or could they catch the virus the next day and spread it thinking they tested negative so it's safe to go out and socialize!

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

https://covid19japan.com/

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Suga also said there was no need to reintroduce a state of emergency.

There's no place like home, there's no place like home, there's...

3 ( +3 / -0 )

And for many, their fear has outgrown the actual danger of the virus.

Most people fear not for themselves, but that they may pass the virus on to someone that has less chance of surviving it. Put plainly, I don't fear the virus so much, but if my parents were to catch it from me then they have a much higher chance of not surviving it. And it doesn't sound like a pleasant way to go.

So I'm quite keen on doing my bit to stopping it from spreading. Some people care neither way.

5 ( +5 / -0 )

They all did not catch the virus yesterday!!!!!

This virus can apparently live in a host for up to a Month (maybe longer) without showing signs/being detected.... so the worse is yet to come.

1 ( +2 / -1 )

Now that Koike has got reelected she has finally decided to take the virus serious now that she was able to stay in office as that was here deep plan. Notice how the number skyrocketed after she we reelected but before she was most likely making it appear as if her leadership of deailing with he spread covid-19 was a success story(SOE for a month) in japan prior to the relelection by down playing the infections rate! Poltics politics but at least she has the motives now to take this virus serious and provide real help and show real numbers!! its a good start wheres the coronoa beer party at!

3 ( +3 / -0 )

https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/ This will make you not panic as it has more info than NHK and WHO has ever publish in the history of covid19

0 ( +1 / -1 )

80% in their 20s, 30s

This is only the case because they aren't testing the elderly that have likely died of CoVid.

1 ( +2 / -1 )

The total amount of testing in Japan from January 2020 to July 8, 2020 is less than 500,000 people. 6 months testing in Japan is less than one day testing in US.

Meanwhile, there are 550,000 people being tested every single day in USA.

The reason why the numbers are low in Japan is because the lack on testing.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

Personally, I would not wish to work with, or be in contact with people, from any Company based

around the Yamamote sen (that's the train line that runs around central Tokyo).

This will, I fear be seen as the Virus transport loop soon. It's overcrowded, lacks proper ventilation, and simply can't handle the current situation due to it's inflexible approach already taken todate. A person does not need to have a "temperature" in order to be a Super-spreader... get that into your thick skulls, and then have another thought about what the WHO has recently stated... many months after it had already been flagged by Scientists and other Specialists! .... Too little, Too Late.

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

Situation is serious.

Reason of increase of new Corona virus case is not only increase of PCR test.

Covid-19 positive rate has also raised.

But Japanese Govt and Tokyo governor who want to prioritize economy do nothing but request caution to people.

And prime minister Abe who want to run away from political scandal avoids to appear in front of public.

5 ( +6 / -1 )

This news should not be a surprise to anyone. Abe is nowhere to be seen. Koike got re-elected so she doesn't need to "work too hard". And apparently there's no need to reinstate the State of Emergency. Well SOMETHING has to be done. The government response from the beginning of this crisis has been slow and reactionary.

People torn apart from their families by not being allowed to re-enter Japan have had to suffer while the stupid people contributing to the community spread of Covid-19, are free to keep doing so.

Order a lockdown! Have the self defense forces enforce it. At the very least enforce the shutdown of all entertainment district establishments.

And the truth about how many PCR tests are being done every day and the actual results would be good to know. This is the tip of an iceberg, so get ready for the next wave.

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

“Order a lockdown! Have the self defense forces enforce it. At the very least enforce the shutdown of all entertainment district establishments.”

Not possible under the constitution. At least that’s what they say.

Most people are still waiting for financial payouts. An enforced lockdown at this point would require further payouts. Which will have to be repaid to the government in some form in the future.

It’s really the seedy nightlife areas of Kabukicho that need to be shut down. But we all know who runs them, and no one has the nerve to do it.

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@daito_hak

This is an unedited manuscript that has been accepted for publication. Nature Research are providing this early version of the manuscript as a service to our authors and readers. The manuscript will undergo copyediting, typesetting and a proof review before it is published in its final form. Please note that during the production process errors may be discovered which could affect the content, and all legal disclaimers apply.

By the way, not to troll you or anything, but you might want to read the disclaimer at the top of the article you linked earlier (see above). It implies that the article is still in the draft stages and still needs to be proofed.

And, that one line that you "cherry picked", and framed your whole argument around -you know, this one:

Of the 234 children in the study population, none ended up infected by the virus, even though some of them shared a house with an infected individual.

Well, this doesn't seem to exist anymore. Hun..strange...as a matter of fact, looks like the article is very different from the one you quoted, so perhaps you should have read the disclaimer before quoting it.

Oh, and one more thing:

By the way, there were 28,000-111,500 deaths in children younger than 5 years attributable to influenza-associated ALRI (acute lower respiratory infections) in 2008, with 99% of these deaths occurring in developing countries. Just to put things in perpective for people like you who can't bother checking the science.

And....?

Not sure what this has to do with anything. This is about influenza...I thought we were talking about covid19...you do know that they are unrelated right?

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The likelihood that the people who don't care the most are the one's who are spreading the virus with impunity is higher than the supporters of masks and caution.

It's a selfish act to say I don't have to wear a mask when other's do, and irresponsible, but they don't care to realize this, nor would they admit their selfish behavior is a major cause leading to spread of the coronavirus.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

【Covid-19】

Country / Fatalities / Infected / Population(08.July)

Vietnam: 0 / 369 / 95.5 million

Taiwan:   7 / 449 / 23.8 million

Thailand:  58 / 3197 / 69 million

New Zealand: 22 / 1537 / 5 million

Australia: 106 / 8886 / 25 million

Japan: 982 / 20413 / 126 million

0 ( +0 / -0 )

https://www.mhlw.go.jp/stf/newpage_12339.html

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/

1 ( +1 / -0 )

“It's a selfish act to say I don't have to wear a mask when other's do, and irresponsible, but they don't care to realize this, nor would they admit their selfish behavior is a major cause leading to spread of the coronavirus.”

Give yourself a pat on the back, clap clap

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The easiest and quickest way to stop the spread of the coronavirus among the 20 and 30-year-olds is to limit alcohol sales and consumption in bars and restaurants to those who are at least 40 years old The daily virus count will drop dramatically. These establishments will now have a More responsible customer base wearing facemasks and practicing social distancing. This way the bars and restaurants can still remain opened for business with a chance to survive.

To cut down on the spread of the coronavirus among the homeless and/or quarantined travelers requires a simpler solution. Require all establishments selling retail and on premises consumption of alcohol to require proof of current and permanent residency. Homeless shelters qualify as permanent residency but must have a current time stamp

0 ( +0 / -0 )

The longer this goes on, the more they prolong the crisis mode around town

All they're doing is prolonging this - they're not doing themselves any favors

0 ( +0 / -0 )

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