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It's over thanks to the effective work of effective government and forward-thinking citizenry.

USA and UK should be taking notes!

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Waiting for Kodoku no Gurume Season 10. Hope they won't wear mask next time.

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effective work of effective government and forward-thinking citizenry.

Oh dear

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Good, Japanese official are not doing the basis testing,

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The vaccines, which Suga took ages to roll out, worked well. But they are all based on the original SARS-CoV-2 virus that emerged 2 years ago. The virus, unlike many of us, has not stopped evolving. It's going to take new versions of COVID-19 vaccine, distributed throughout the world, to keep us safe.

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No longer pandemic but endemic. Japan now has herd immunity thanks to no lock downs and a large portion of the population gaining natural immunity from contracting covid. This was aided by the slow roll out of the ineffective vaccines!

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Lets just wait and see what happens-

The virus, unlike many of us, has not stopped evolving.

Yes, I'm hearing about a new strain of Delta called Delta Plus. Fingers crossed

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My question is, how is it that the numbers are so low amid the voting for the next Prime Minister here in Japan? Just a question.

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First of all, ask younger people for their opinion as well, secondly a virus doesn’t discriminate according to time. Whether I drink at 20:59 or 21:01, does it really matter? This is nothing but a ploy to destroy small business if they don’t adhere to the all powerful government entities. Obey or go out of business.

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Other prefectures please.

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My question is, how is it that the numbers are so low amid the voting for the next Prime Minister here in Japan? Just a question

That's a very good question...

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It's coming up to Flu season, so we can give Covid a little spell on the back burner - project fear and control moves on!

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"Michael MachidaToday  08:16 am JST

My question is, how is it that the numbers are so low amid the voting for the next Prime Minister here in Japan? Just a question."

I guess conspiracy theories are OK as long as they support the mass vaccination doctrine!!??....

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Enjoy freedom while you can.

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For the capital and Osaka, it is the first lifting of such countermeasures against COVID-19 in 11 months.

Key local landmarks such as Tsutenkaku Tower is now lit up green switching from yellow. It gives me some psychological relief.

Prefectural governments are expected to review their plans by late November as they need to secure enough health care professionals, among others, to increase the bed capacity.

A bit too late. The vax booster shot better get started in the next month for the frontline workers and at-risk groups.

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Japan now has herd immunity thanks to no lock downs and a large portion of the population gaining natural immunity from contracting covid.

Unfortunately, there is no herd immunity here. Not so many people got covid. Asymptomatic cases are in fact not so common. It was confirmed by different studies on antibodies among the population.

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According to a set of proposals submitted by a government subcommittee on coronavirus response made up of health experts last year, people under the influence of alcohol tend to have lower attentiveness and auditory sense, which may lead to a situation where people talk loudly in confined spaces.

Kudos to those experts that have "discovered" the influence of alcohol on human's behavior.

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If COVID were sentient it would be getting very excited about the prospects right now.

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Now that the virus seems to be diminishing . . . it's my guess that people are finding a place to satisfy their desire for beef and sake . . . .

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What’s happening on the 31st? Oh yer an election.

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@Michael Machida,

My question is, how is it that the numbers are so low amid the voting for the next Prime Minister here in Japan? Just a question

I think it is a combination of things, Firstly Japanese people on the most part are continuing to wear masks even after having the vaccine unlike in other countries which reduces the chance of catching and spreading Covid19, also the discrimination that occurs against those that do get covid19 (yes it is still a thing) cause more people to avoid being tested and to only seek medical attention if they actually get sick enough. Also those that are fully vaccinated continue to increase daily and we have Herd immunity among those that have and continue to flout the rules leaving less people to actually get sick enough to report symptoms. We could be in for another wave in a few weeks as those still not vaccinated or having heard immunity start to think it is safe to mingle. But from what I have seen most people are still skeptical of the official numbers and the vast majority of people I know still have the we are on our own (JGov no use) so protect yourselves. I imagine it will likely be another year or two before the people of Japan start to let their guard down but only if numbers from overseas have begun to dissipate.

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“Yes, I'm hearing about a new strain of Delta called Delta Plus. Fingers crossed”

Indeed. Alpha, bravo, Charlie and Foxtrot strains are yet to arrive

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I wonder if they did a study on coffee, a known stimulant and cafes, which by foundation are a place designed for prolific conversation. My simple brain tells me just as much oral vapor is spewed in these places as there are in izakayas sand bars. Funny, those weren’t affected tho. Your hypocrisy has no power here.

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If you're worried, don't go out. About 60% of hospitality in Tokyo has been ignoring the rules for months anyway and you didn't get bodies piled up. The vaccines didn't stop the 'wave' either (more like a ripple) as you can see from other places with a high vaccine uptake rate like Singapore and Israel which had a similar thing happen.

The virus comes, the virus goes, but you'd never have noticed if the media didn't continuously scream about it.

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Indeed. Alpha, bravo, Charlie and Foxtrot strains are yet to arrive

Wrong. The first strain in Wuhan has been dubbed Alpha. So if you're going to attempt sarcasm, at least get your facts straight.

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"didouToday  08:35 am JST

Unfortunately, there is no herd immunity here. Not so many people got covid. Asymptomatic cases are in fact not so common. It was confirmed by different studies on antibodies among the population."

Wow that is a bit of an oxymoronic statement. Asymptomatic cases(which have no symptoms) are not so common???

Any evidence or just your comments?

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Unfortunately, there is no herd immunity here. Not so many people got covid. Asymptomatic cases are in fact not so common. It was confirmed by different studies on antibodies among the population.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.21.20198796v1

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@Yiasy

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.21.20198796v1

That was one year ago to the day. Do you understand that there is more recent information available?

With asymptomatic COVID-19 patients accounting for 10 to 15 percent of those testing positive for the virus in Tokyo, experts warn that the actual ratio could be much higher given the limited testing being conducted.

@Sanjinnobleed...........This was last week! Right out of the J-gov reports!!!

Tokyo feared to have countless asymptomatic virus patients

https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14447012

With asymptomatic COVID-19 patients accounting for 10 to 15 percent of those testing positive for the virus in Tokyo, experts warn that the actual ratio could be much higher given the limited testing being conducted.

> Experts attribute Tokyo’s low ratio of asymptomatic patients to the limited capacity of local public health centers in charge of instructing those suspected of having contracted the virus to undergo diagnostic tests.

So, not only is @didou correct, but it also proves that the low infections numbers getting lower and lower are not correct because limited testing by the government, and the lifting of restrictions on eateries are all for the election this week!

Where is your evidence @Sanjinnobleed?

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YiasyToday  10:39 am JST

Unfortunately, there is no herd immunity here. Not so many people got covid. Asymptomatic cases are in fact not so common. It was confirmed by different studies on antibodies among the population.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.21.20198796v1

I think I am in love!!! Thankyou for this!

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Sanjinosebleed

Yiasy

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.21.20198796v1

I think I am in love!!! Thankyou for this!

Try reading the latest version where they conclude that they were too optimistic:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.21.20198796v2

Substantial reduction of the seropositivity among asymptomatic individuals in four months in December may explain why Tokyo had the third wave, the resurgence of COVID19 is occurring every 3 to 4 months, and the herd immunity strategy has not succeeded.Substantial reduction of the seropositivity among asymptomatic individuals in four months in December may explain why Tokyo had the third wave, the resurgence of COVID19 is occurring every 3 to 4 months, and the herd immunity strategy has not succeeded.

Also not peer reviewed.

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NumanToday  10:52 am JST

@Yiasy

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.21.20198796v1

That was one year ago to the day. Do you understand that there is more recent information available?

The results speak for themselves from 5% to 46% in a couple of months. Once they have had it, it is no longer Novel and natural immunity is achieved! Low numbers now back this up DUE to the low testing which has is only carried out on people severely ill not the large number of asymptomatic cases over the last 18-20 months!

Your Asahi article actually supports what I was saying so not sure what you are trying to achieve there. Maybe you need to reread what was being discussed!

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Firstly Japanese people on the most part are continuing to wear masks even after having the vaccine unlike in other countries which reduces the chance of catching and spreading Covid19

I think it's pretty well-established that masks only help reduce the spread of viruses if 1. you are infected and 2. you actually have symptoms. There's no evidence they work as a preventative measure for infection - at best they may lesson how wide a radius of people droplets reach after an infected individual coughs or sneezes. And provide a psychological security blanket for the fearful

From the Japanese Ministry of Health Covid-19 website...

'Q6: When should I wear a facemask?

If you have symptoms such as coughing and sneezing, wearing a facemask is proved to be highly effective in catching the droplets, and therefore might help prevent the spread of viruses.

The effectiveness of wearing a facemask to protect yourself from contracting viruses is thought to be very limited. If you wear a facemask in confined, badly ventilated spaces, it might help avoid catching droplets emitted from others but if you are in an open-air environment, the use of facemask is not very efficient.'

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@Sanjinosebleed

The results speak for themselves from 5% to 46% in a couple of months. Once they have had it, it is no longer Novel and natural immunity is achieved! Low numbers now back this up DUE to the low testing which has is only carried out on people severely ill not the large number of asymptomatic cases over the last 18-20 months!

Your Asahi article actually supports what I was saying so not sure what you are trying to achieve there. Maybe you need to reread what was being discussed!

LOL!!!!! Like @hindsight said, "read the latest version" of the non peer reviewed information from the exact same source that you think is evidence.

*Substantial reduction of the seropositivity among asymptomatic individuals in four months in December may explain why Tokyo had the third wave, the resurgence of COVID19 is occurring every 3 to 4 months, and the herd immunity strategy has not succeeded.Substantial reduction of the seropositivity among asymptomatic individuals in four months in December may explain why Tokyo had the third wave, the resurgence of COVID19 is occurring every 3 to 4 months, and the herd immunity strategy has not succeeded.*

Ha, they said that they were too optimistic!

@Sanjinosebleed....Where is your verifiable proof again?

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It's over thanks to the effective work of effective government and forward-thinking citizenry.

That is either some top-shelf sarcasm.... or Goebbels would be impressed.

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Wow that is a bit of an oxymoronic statement. Asymptomatic cases(which have no symptoms) are not so common???

Any evidence or just your comments?

If you do not have any symptoms, take a regular pcr test and you will see and know you are not covid positive. Just as simple as that.

Having covid with absolutely no symptoms, and I mean no cough, no cold , no runny nose , no tiredness, something significant you notice, means you do not have covid at over 99%.

All people I know who had covid also had symptoms, all people I know who were contact cases never had covid and never had any symptoms. If a detection does occur during what we call "the window gap before the onset", the person will certainly develop symptoms hereafter. I know someone who was a contact case, was tested positive and symptoms developed after the test.

However, in all those random testing places, who are doing business, like the ones we use for a pcr test before traveling, they do not get completely zero case, but the positive rate is well below 1%.

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large portion of the population gaining natural immunity from contracting covid. This was aided by the slow roll out of the ineffective vaccines!

so almost 70% of citizens vaccinated with an effective safe vaccine , compared to around 1.7 million people 1.3% infected with covid. and its suddenly natural immunity lol

love to see where your scientific evidence was proven.

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Opinions rain down, purported as fact, citing dated, minimal studies that at best are inconclusive when applied to large populations and atop that are not peer reviewed.

Comparisons to small populations and geographically constrained areas are less than valid, besides lacking in any actual scientific study to cite two employed as examples: Israel a population of 9 million, Singapore 5.5 million. Japan 15 times larger in area than Israel. Singapore the same size & population as Hyogo.

The false analogy centered on alcohol and closing times ignore numerous factors. Behavior in restaurants is very different than bars and especially izakayas. As is control of inhibitions which includes use of masks and social distancing. Closing at 8:00pm, prevents workers who typically finish beyond that hour from gathering en-masse. The intentional flouting of rules and protocols was an initial factor in spreading the virus. Osaka, near Kobayashi, two music venues were a vector for spreading SARSCoV-2, which is a prime a model example.

The reason for the current reduction in the rate of infection is unknown. To cite the ever present panacea: testing is bogus, as it has no meaning unless the entire population was tested at exactly the same moment and those infected were sent into immediate quarantine and isolation along with all and any contacts. A the moment it only a tool to diagnose individuals displaying symptoms.

It would be a disaster to abandon protocols during a lull in the spread of the virus. The USA is a prime example of such a stupidity.

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boToday  08:27 am JST

It's coming up to Flu season, so we can give Covid a little spell on the back burner - project fear and control moves on!

Really wish that I could join the "anti-vax" / "fake covid" crowd as life would be much simpler.

However science and logic keep getting in my way.

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This will benefit food places! Keep businesses open Japan. Remove Masks please!

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A government experiment using proof of COVID-19 vaccination or negative virus test results was conducted Monday at eateries in Osaka city's Minami district, with customers showing their proof being allowed to sit in groups of five or more per table.

That is not fully correct, not just testing in Osaka city, apparently, it is also now applicable in some restaurants since 25th here in Tokyo, like for example this Sushi restaurant in Hibya (see link below) which does require already to check your proof of vaccine if you are more than 4, I cannot imagine the owner will be doing discrimination by the vaccine and having random staff checking our (still) private medical information without being greenlighted by the government or having some laws allowing them to do it.

https://yoyaku.toreta.in/mantensushi-nihonbashi/#/

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Finally, sanity returns. These artificial time limits did more harm than good, anyway.

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didou

If you do not have any symptoms, take a regular pcr test and you will see and know you are not covid positive. Just as simple as that.

....and how many cycles do suggest for that PCR test? You do realize that the result depends on that, or did you not know that?

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No social distancing in big cities and the cold weather will give the virus another uplift-it will be back again…

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4 weeks later... "Who could have seen this coming?"

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This will benefit food places! Keep businesses open Japan. Remove Masks please!

It's hard to believe that after almost 2 years, people still don't understand how masks work! ↑

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I think it's pretty well-established that masks only help reduce the spread of viruses if 1. you are infected and 2. you actually have symptoms. There's no evidence they work as a preventative measure for infection - at best they may lesson how wide a radius of people droplets reach after an infected individual coughs or sneezes. And provide a psychological security blanket for the fearful

Well, you're wrong and here's why:

Asymptomatic carriers spread covid. How in the world you do not know this by now, is truly frightening.

No one knows who is carrying the virus. You can get a false negative on a test, or be asymptomatic. Thus, wearing masks (over the nose) is the most effective means of prevention for people out and about.

And please, knock it off wit this "fearful" narrative. This is only what people who have yet to experience health problems say. For many of us, already dealing with crippling health issues, we know covid will be the nail in the coffin. The way people pander this "fear" narrative sounds like eugenics.

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And please, knock it off wit this "fearful" narrative. This is only what people who have yet to experience health problems say. For many of us, already dealing with crippling health issues, we know covid will be the nail in the coffin. The way people pander this "fear" narrative sounds like eugenics.

It avoids them having to deal with facts, which they truly fear. They themselves are insecure about being seen as weak, that's why they are obsessed with fear. If you look around the world at the poster boys in government peddling the 'fear' narrative, you'll see what I mean.

It also helps when pushing anti-science, anti-truth policies, as anyone who opposes them must be 'cowering in their basement' or whatever the local equivalent is. This line was peddled for Fukushima ('lingering radiation fears' and 'baseless rumours', not ongoing radiation), Brexit in the UK ('Project Fear' - now a slowly unfolding trainwreck), and now with the pandemic ('I'm not wearing a face nappy' - how revealing is that? , 'cowering in fear' etc. etc, not public health based on science).

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Only in Japan is the danger of radioactivity played down and the fear of a virus played up…

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There is another pandemic coming. It’s called the pandemic of the unvaccinated. I have already seen fake vaccine passport papers for sale.

Here comes the reality for the non believers.

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kurisupisu

Only in Japan is the danger of radioactivity played down and the fear of a virus played up…

Well no. You just don't understand the relative dangers. Radioactivity is dangerous, but just not anywhere near you. Cocid is dangerous and probably near you. How many people were killed after the Great Tohoku Earthquake that were related to radioactivity? Many due to the tsunami. Not so many due to the nuclear meltdown. In fact a whole lot more due to Covid.

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ZaphodToday 02:17 pm JST

....and how many cycles do suggest for that PCR test? You do realize that the result depends on that, or did you not know that?

He indeed probably doesn't, because that's not how PCR tests work. The results do not depend on a "cycle count", the cycle count is the result.

PCR tests run cycles, each cycle doubles the DNA in the sample, and if after a cycle the test machine can see the viral DNA (literally "see", it starts to glow), the test is stopped and the number of cycles is noted. This is why every PCR test result has a different cycle threshold (Ct).

This Ct value is usually only reported to a treating physician because it is only a quantitative value, not a qualitative one. If you take a PCR test yourself you will just get a "yes/no" answer that depends whether your Ct value was lower or higher than a certain threshold (depending on standards it's usually around 30).

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Wonderful. Perfect timing as well. Everybody will be flocking to their local watering hole and congregating in groups big and small and slowly but surely, the number of cases will creep back up. These social gatherings coupled with the cooler weather will mean that we'll probably get another SoE come December. As if Christmas in Japan wasn't depressing enough...

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Well no. You just don't understand the relative dangers. Radioactivity is dangerous, but just not anywhere near you. Cocid is dangerous and probably near you. How many people were killed after the Great Tohoku Earthquake that were related to radioactivity? Many due to the tsunami. Not so many due to the nuclear meltdown. In fact a whole lot more due to Covid.

> > Well yes.

Maybe a little research is in order?

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

It's going to take new versions of COVID-19 vaccine, distributed throughout the world, to keep us safe.

I can hardly wait. Your excitement is contagious.

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ZaphodToday 02:17 pm JST

didou

If you do not have any symptoms, take a regular pcr test and you will see and know you are not covid positive. Just as simple as that.

....and how many cycles do suggest for that PCR test? You do realize that the result depends on that, or did you not know that?

If you do not have any symptoms, you can do how many cycles you want for your random testing, the result will always be the same

(contact case during the window gap is different )

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Somehow, ( before being vaccinated) I managed for over a year to keep myself safe from the virus.

When I wanted an antibody check in my local hospital (in Japan) to confirm my status; I was refused.

I won’t be taking any booster shots and will refuse any form of digital I’d check for the purposes of doing so…

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A government tally showed Monday that 69.6 percent of the entire population has been fully vaccinated, with the rate rising to 90.3 percent among people aged 65 and older.

Good, vaccinations and mask wearing will help end this epidemic faster.

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When I wanted an antibody check in my local hospital (in Japan) to confirm my status; I was refused.

Considering the government subsidizes 70% of your medical costs, they have the right to refuse unnecessary procedures.

I won’t be taking any booster shots and will refuse any form of digital I’d check for the purposes of doing so…

Be ready to get denied access to a lot of facilities and I am sure they will be as happy to keep you out!!!

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@ulysses

What facilities are they?

Bit please become a drone if you like….

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Pls be cautious.

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What facilities are they?

You’ll know soon.

Bit please become a drone if you like….

Biting drones is not a thing for me.

Thry are difficult to catch!!!!

Fact is most of the bravado from the antivaxxers disappears once they realize the only way to move forward is to comply.

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It's over thanks to the effective work of effective government and forward-thinking citizenry.

USA and UK should be taking notes!

Nonsense.......many "forward thinking citizens" simply ignored the pretend lockdowns and carried on as normal....I was one of them. There is certainly another thread to this virus that we aren't seeing as to why it spreads so quickly in some places but not others. I feel the biggest thing in Japan's favour is that there is no custom of hugging and shaking hands....at least not like western countries....bowing as a greeting maintains a little distance.

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mask wearing will help end this epidemic faster

Still with this nonsense........it didn't stop highest infections before the vaccines were out......masks no people who do not exhibit symptoms is a simple placebo policy to allow people to feel they are being proactive. No one likes the feeling of something being outwith their control, masks were a quick and simple way for governments to tampen down the hysteria in the early days of the pandemic.

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didou

If you do not have any symptoms, you can do how many cycles you want for your random testing, the result will always be the same.

Incorrect. Most infected people, as you should know, have no symptoms, so they will test positive, which is completely irrelevant.

Also, the PCR test detects minuscule virus particles which can easily hang around and have absolutely no effect (I am sure you know that a certain amount of virus is required for any infection to be relevant).

So, as I said before, if you run enough cycles on those PCR tests, most people will eventually be "positive", meaning some virus DNA has been detected, which is a completely meaningless information.

I am sure you also know that the manufacturers of the PCR test kits point out that the test is meant for lab use and not for population testing. So why make these claims.

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ZaphodOct. 28 07:51 pm JST

if you run enough cycles on those PCR tests, most people will eventually be "positive", meaning some virus DNA has been detected

As I tried to explain to you: That is the point. You run as many cycles as you need to detect the virus (or you give up beyond some set number). Then you report how many cycles this took. If the resulting number of cycles is less than a set number (depending on the laboratory's calibration), you are reported positive, otherwise you are reported negative.

Example: The positive threshold for the laboratory is 25. For patient A it took 17 cycles to detect the virus, they are considered positive. For patient B it took 31 cycles to detect the virus, they are considered negative. For patient C, the test stopped after 40 cycles without a virus detection, and naturally they are negative too.

This really isn't very hard to understand.

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