Tokyo reports 1,052 coronavirus cases; nationwide tally 6,806

Ludicrous. 198 people in a city of 10 million are in hospital with a certain illness, thousands and thousands more have other illnesses yet have no focus on them whatsoever and are left to die. Some people for some reason even want to test even more people who have no symptoms to see if they have this illness and shut down people's lives even more.. Can anyone even try to explain the logic in this.

Manybells

Recently my 27 year old, healthy, no pre-existing conditions friend was put on a ventilator and they had to call different hospitals before she was accepted. 

Sorry about your friend, but note that statistically she is an extreme outlier. Also, you can not simply assume that getting the mRNA shot would have helped her, because we now know that the vaccinated also get infected. The only argument now is that they have lesser symptoms, but that also does not apply for every case.

Manybells

There was a spike in numbers during the Olympics, this happens during waves, it’s the same here as in other countries. Nothing to do with Olympics or testing.

Sorry to hear about your friend, hope she recovers fully soon. Rarely young people will have serious symptoms from Covid, usually obese or with underlying health issues but rarely without. Recovery can take time, we often need to convalesce for a while after a serious impedía la condition, i had the same last year with bronchitis, symptoms dragged on for months. Recovery usually takes 3 weeks to 3 months.

How were the numbers quadruple when the Olympics was on? Were there more tests? More people? How were there 4 times as many cases?

Recently my 27 year old, healthy, no pre-existing conditions friend was put on a ventilator and they had to call different hospitals before she was accepted. She has recovered from the respiratory problems now but still feels foggy and isn’t the same person she was.

Young people can suffer serious symptoms.

John

I can’t see any reason for numbers to be suppressed or manipulated. The government has been keen to encourage people to stay at home during SOE’s and higher cases would have been to their benefit. There policy seems to be stopping the spread getting out of control and it hasn’t done a bad job. Low numbers will discourage people from staying in the opposite of what the government has been asking.

@steve

You may be right there. I'm 39, and in decent health. I think!

What do you reckon to my point about Japan saving face regarding high infections? I'm curious about your point of view.

And here the mask usage and following the rules is ingrained.

@skinkansen

I'm not sure I agree with that. Not amongst the young or ojisan.

At False: Very true about little to worry about here unless underlying conditions or very old.

And here the mask usage and following the rules is ingrained.

Perhaps these people arguing are not in Japan and thus dealing with people refusing masks, washing hands, totally out of shape, overweight and with bad attitudes.

I firmly believe it depends on where you live, how you live, and taking pride in ones body not degenerating.

I have not seen anyone without a mask on all week in Kyoto except for foreigners. And those have only been far and few.

Jimizo

Glad you admit that you need to know more. Good to be humble.

It’s a fluid situation. Things are changing.

Anyone who thinks they know all they need to know is very deluded. The situation is constantly on the move.

It reminds me a bit of the poster who claimed to have read half the books written about WW2.

In short, not educated enough to know how much there is to know.

john

Maybe you are being a tad irrational. Without a jab you are hardly at any risk, double jab even less especially of being in hospital. Unless you have serious underlying health conditions or of a very advanced age there is very little to worry about.

@steve

Ok, fair enough regarding mass testing.

But do you think Japan is worried about having large numbers of infections, and so would rather bury their head in the sand? Just to save face.

False: I agree and find the humbleness of Jimizu refreshing to want to grow and expand his knowledge base.

Jimizo

Glad you admit that you need to know more. Good to be humble.

Japan is doing fine without mass testing and without draconian lockdowns.

Anyone knowing they are infected should not travel, which is logical.

Do the anti vaccine and anti mask wearing people get randomly tested? Do they even want to get tested?

I think some people would suggest that they be refused wanting a test unless they sign a form saying they promise to wear a mask and to get the waccine.

Mass testing has done nothing except waste time, money and personnel that could be doing other important things dealing with the sick and infirm.

It is a waste of time and money

Oh, no.

Mass testing is useful to build a clearer picture of number of cases, a clearer picture of deaths per cases for a particular country, a clearer picture numbers of vaccinated and unvaccinated testing positive for a particular country, and also identifying new strains as early as possible.

This is not a waste of time and money.

Then again, I’m more interested in knowing as much as possible rather than selling narratives or spouting off with nothing to back it up.

Thomas

I agree people shouldn’t be in any public place if they know they have Covid.

John Noun

Mass testing as done in the UK had not resulted in low cases, severe cases or deaths. It is a waste of time and money.

The metropolitan government were doing "monitoring" testing yesterday at Tokyo station, as well as a location on the way to Nihonbashi on foot. It was from 10am-4:30pm and anyone could walk up and get a free test, results emailed to you in 3-4 days. I would have stopped, but was en route to an appointment.

One thinks that we can disrupt the busy train system by testing people, the other agrees yet goes further and also wants those banned from using public transport.

What is the problem with testing people here, mate?

Surely it would give us a more accurate idea of the virus spread? Is Japan petrified of having high numbers or something?

@blv: The thought about random checking at Shinkansen/Bullet train stations is a good idea, except that the cars are really empty, and people and trains are on strict deadlines.

Now if you wish that upon the massive amount of cross prefectural trains commuting the strap grabbers, you might get some people to cooperate so they do not have to go to work. I keep away from the Tokyo rushes and I am fully vaccinated.

Non-reserved Bullet Trains have more people but the maximum number of seats filled is about a third. Reserved green cars or special sightseeing trains are a few people to maybe 10 at most.

I think random testing for Covid at shinkansen stations is a good idea. These are good places to find carriers and will help to prevent the spread of this vile virus.

The more that is done, the better we all will be by getting this scourge under control

Hope you brought to Pockytbook to Kyoto, @ShinKyakuSenboose.

Did a travel agent book your current trip to Kyoto or did you save money doing it *yoursel*ffs?

Like Jimizo, I’m cautiously optimistic. I always have been.

@Rob

No, I think it has been pretty well established on this website that Japanese authorities should grab random people off the street, pull their pants down and give an anal swab in order to get a much better picture on the extent of the virus in Japan.

blvtzp

Yes, I hope GoTo resumes, it would be wonderful and I would take full advantage of it with my partner.

We've all noticed the dramatic and sudden rise/fall in the official 'numbers,' both prior to, during, and now after the Olympics.

If it was consistently noted how many people were tested, it would at least provide some baseline from which to make some decent evaluation.

If it's just how many people came to the hospital complaining of symptoms and were found to be infected, these numbers are not worth much in terms of giving us a sense of how widespread the infections are.

How actively is testing being carried out? Is it consistent with how it was handled before and after the Olympics (knowing the Japanese government, probably not)?

How they come up with these numbers is not made clear, and could simply be yet another case of using such information to prepare for the next project, which in the near term would be buttering up the public for the acceptance of the next LDP prime minister.

They are still fixated on "cases", which means nothing. It is so ridiculous. With the virus now endemic, all of us will get in touch with it eventually, so we will all be "cases", i.e. show up positive in a PCR test with 36 cycles.

Yes and since COVID-19 death counter never reset annually (unlike other diseases), there will be a time in the future when we will be all dead on earth...

I for one support the travel industry with my wife. Give it a try. GoToTravel is happening everywhere by the way.

Right now in Kyoto walking around you will see the cool looking go to travel campaign posters and it is helping.

Stop complaining and lend a hand if you can.

They are still fixated on "cases", which means nothing. It is so ridiculous. With the virus now endemic, all of us will get in touch with it eventually, so we will all be "cases", i.e. show up positive in a PCR test with 36 cycles.

Exactly one year ago, without any vaccines available, 09/15/2020, 301 cases for the whole country, and you see a decreasing, right?

The more vaccines, the more cases with the Delta. Singapore is a good example

@falseflagsteve

The tourism industry and small resorts have been hit terribly.

I'm afraid, a lot of places have been hit irreparably over the last year. Over half of the small shops in Nakano have been shut down and are now boarded up. Akihabara is a ghost in the shell of its former self. Empty buildings everywhere. Sad.

Lol

FFS:

Are you suggesting that the Go To Travel campaign should be started again?

@Foreigner in Tokyo, you are wrong not just bars. My neighbor is a farmer who still could not sell his rice from 2 years ago because restaurants and bars opening time is limited/closed. It's a whole supply chain that suffers.

Foreigner

Oh, the country is far from up and running properly. Not just bars effected, restaurants, small businesses from lack of footfall. The tourism industry and small resorts have been hit terribly. Japan is not just Tokyo and the big cities, it’s important for the sticks to get people back. Some rely on day trippers and short term visitors, they are desperate for revenue.

Complaining and making rude comments to others does not solve any purpose, cooperation and being constructive is what the world needs now.

@Foreigner In Tokyo: How much fun it must be to be as pessimistic and miserable as you.

It seems and looks good for Tokyo numbers again here. Down 35,786 from last month at the same time, and percentage wise of total numbers for Tokyo, again dow from 21.91% last month to only 6.88% this month.

Still a little worried about the under 30's with the 422 today representing 40.11% of today's cases.

Just saying, be aware, and stay safe.

They got what they wanted almost whole world I meant whole Japan vaccinated so the numbers are reducing. Cannot wait for the bars

Sven

Yes, best to stay calm, take precautions and enjoy life, it’s the best way to deal with the current situation.

Exactly one year ago, without any vaccines available, 09/15/2020, 301 cases for the whole country, and you see a decreasing, right? I try to calm down and spare you some additional personal words I want to say. lol

Commodore

Dont build your hopes up too much, they are probably busy on their calculators right now.

Another whopping decrease. In case numbers and in the number of dreary comments.

Good low numbers and numbers are starting to fall fast. Time to get the country back up and running. Many small businesses need to get customers now, it’s essential. In the unlikely scenario that a more dangerous variant appears or one that evades the vaccines, action can be taken then.