Tokyo reports 17 coronavirus cases; nationwide tally 113

Tokyo reports 17 coronavirus cases

Good job Tokyo!

Unfortunately, Japan will believe the artifically low numbers and view it as being dangerous to open the borders.

@eustace, do you think Japan is manipulating the numbers then?

The numbers aren't being manipulated, but it's pretty obvious that the real number is underreported due to the fact that people aren't getting tested if they have mild/no symptoms.

If the government really believes that Japan has basically eradicated the virus, then there is no chance of eased border restrictions any time soon.

The numbers aren't being manipulated, but it's pretty obvious that the real number is underreported due to the fact that people aren't getting tested if they have mild/no symptoms.

How come you must feel obliged to test yourself when you feel all good?

Lets suppose that the number of cases were 1 million, don't you think the number of hospitalized people would be ten times than current number?

Rising a bit.

Please be careful.

@Eustace

That's a good thing. Keep Japan safe.

How come you must feel obliged to test yourself when you feel all good?

I'm not arguing for this. I've always thought it pointless to waste resources on testing those with no/mild symptoms. I'm just stating that Japan's case numbers would likely be orders of magnitude higher if the testing was done in this way like it is in many Western countries.

Can't a person change their mind?

Changing from lockdown advocate a couple of months ago to "Let's open up the borders and live with the virus" is quite a jump.

Ridiculous numbers. Does the rest of the world buy into this?

Invalid CSRF

Changing from lockdown advocate a couple of months ago to "Let's open up the borders and live with the virus" is quite a jump.

It's not a jump at all, if both stances are following the data. You talk as if forming an opinion, then holding on to it even as data changes isn't something only low-intelligence losers do.

Natural immunity in action

Eventually most of the population will have been exposed directly or indirectly, so case numbers will naturally lower order time. Especially given that two years have passed.

Great news! Other countries take note!

Ridiculous numbers. Does the rest of the world buy into this?

Invalid CSRF

If you look at nationwide hospitals, all hospitals are not in a big panic now and many corona patients don't come any more. News reporters are always watching these things everyday. It seems to me all Japanese people are wearing mask all the time at any places. This is one of good reasons.

Time to open up the country, even 5000 tourists per day, stop keeping families apart in japan..

Believe the numbers or not , keep your mask on and keep social distance and don't forget rinse out your throats. that's all

It's not a jump at all

Er... no, it is quite the jump actually. And to be honest until self professed data hawks apologize for spreading fear all summer long, I don't think their opinions deserve to be taken seriously.

Yes, but if you recall, COVID patients are encouraged to go home where they die and do not get registered as dying from COVID.

If someone died home somehow. official coroners will examine what causes they died from. Japan is still in epidemic. Infection sometimes breaks through vaccinated people. Some people who tested positive were told go home but they all were registered on the corona list, because in case of emergency. Infected people don't have to stay home now, because hospitals/facilities are very fully available.

Natural immunity in action

Strong adherence to social distancing and other measures to decrease spreading, including vaccination is a much more likely reason for the decrease of the number of cases. There is no evidence that natural immunity had any role in it.

Lets suppose that the number of cases were 1 million, don't you think the number of hospitalized people would be ten times than current number?

You're a very patient person, but you should give up trying to explain. nearly 2 years have elapsed, it will probably take at least another 8 years before what you said even start to make sense to some people.

You said 1 million and it was just dismissed by saying they can simply be asked to stay home.

And this despite the supposedly common knowledge that around 25,000 cases sometime ago broke or nearly broke the healthcare system

Virus Rex Strong adherence to social distancing and other measures to decrease spreading, including vaccination is a much more likely reason for the decrease of the number of cases. There is no evidence that natural immunity had any role in it.

That's just the thing. Social distancing has become more of a daytime performance. Go and see the bars and restaurants these last few weeks or so. It's like day and night. Nighttime the pandemic is over.

These numbers just don't make sense. Read an article the other day about delta variations in Japan canceling each other out, but something strange/amazing has happened here. South Korea having more spikes after their examination week, the contrast is striking. The green tea and natto effect? Hot baths? The masked culture? Somethings causing the anomaly.

Unfortunately, the paltry J (version of) leadership, who have basically done next to nothing over the last two years or so, get another free pass! Will be just as inept for the next massive crisis and challenge just on the horizon.

Low numbers of infection should not allow us to relax. Keep you masks on and wash your hands. The evil virus is down but not out.

There is a lot what other countries can learn from Japan.

However while the numbers of covid-19 patients is significantly down it does not mean it is gone.

Japan has to prepare itself and be ready for a possible next wave of infections, even with a more aggressive covid-19 variant.

These low numbers are a good thing of course, but what worries me is that if (or when) the numbers spike up to 50-100, it will be likely be considered a "spike" or "wave" when in reality, those numbers are actually quite low. Hopefully we don't see more states of emergency for these lower averages.

Close the borders again!!! Lock them all down!!!! Isolate the unvaxxed!!!

virusrex

Strong adherence to social distancing and other measures to decrease spreading, including vaccination is a much more likely reason for the decrease of the number of cases.

Japanese are not touchy feely and have always been into masks. That would make a difference. About vaccination, pls take note that according to official UK data the vaxxed (with the mRNA/viral vector shots) have been dying at twice the rate of the unvaxxed, so I would not hammer that point too much. General population health is a more important factor imho.

There is no evidence that natural immunity had any role in it.

Wow! Are you claiming natural immunity does not exist? Only for the special case of Corona, or not at all? I really would like to hear that.

About vaccination, pls take note that according to official UK data the vaxxed (with the mRNA/viral vector shots) have been dying at twice the rate of the unvaxxed

Link to the source would be helpful

There is no evidence that natural immunity had any role in it.

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Wow! Are you claiming natural immunity does not exist? Only for the special case of Corona, or not at all? I really would like to hear that.

That's the official line that virusrex has to push. Commonsense dictates that virusrex's statement is complete nonsense.

And what's more, the CDC responded to an FOI request by lawyers in the US about. Here's the CDC's response, verbatim:

https://www.icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/21-02152-Final-Response-Letter-Brehm-1.pdf

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (CDC/ATSDR) received your September 02, 2021, Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request on September 02, 2021, seeking:

“Documents reflecting any documented case of an individual who: (1) never received a COVID-19 vaccine; (2) was infected with COVID-19 once, recovered, and then later became infected

again; and (3) transmitted SARS-CoV-2 to another person when reinfected.”

*A search of our records failed to reveal any documents pertaining to your request. The CDC Emergency Operations Center (EOC) conveyed that t*his information is not collected.

So how would virusrex know that natural immunity has anything to do with the low numbers if even the CDC is not collecting information on it. Now of course that doesn't specifically refer to Japan, and if there's information out there I'd appreciate someone with excellent Japanese to link to it.

But if the CDC isn't collecting the information, where is virusrex getting it?

Wow! Are you claiming natural immunity does not exist? Only for the special case of Corona, or not at all? I really would like to hear that.

That is a complete misrepresentation of the actual comment, if someone says a fire was controlled thanks to the efforts of the fire department and another person says it was controlled because of rain; saying that there was no evidence of rain having any role on controlling the fire means to you this person denied the existence of rain? what logic makes you take that invalid leap?

The quoted line said no evidence

Why are you asking where the poster got the evidence?

pls take note that according to official UK data the vaxxed (with the mRNA/viral vector shots) have been dying at twice the rate of the unvaxxed

From the link below:

Between 2 January and 24 September 2021, the age-adjusted risk of deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19) was 32 times greater in unvaccinated people than in fully vaccinated individuals.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021

But if the CDC isn't collecting the information, where is virusrex getting it?

If you spend less time trying and failing to make personal attacks and instead read the comments you are trying to reply to it would be very simple.

What evidence do you imagine I said I have?

Let me copy again what I wrote.

There is no evidence that natural immunity had any role in it.

To say this is wrong YOU would need evidence proving that the important decrease of cases was not because of all the medical and nonmedical interventions done precisely with that purpose, but because of natural immunity. If you say there is no evidence to prove this that means you are supporting what I wrote.

pls take note that according to official UK data the vaxxed (with the mRNA/viral vector shots) have been dying at twice the rate of the unvaxxed

From the link below:

Between 2 January and 24 September 2021, the age-adjusted risk of deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19) was 32 times greater in unvaccinated people than in fully vaccinated individuals.

but your quote says the unvaccinated has 32 times higher risk of death

Anyway thanks for the link, I'll take a look