Tokyo reports 235 new coronavirus cases; nationwide tally 1,278

socrateosToday  05:01 am JST

> No. That did not happen in Japan. What happened and is happening in Japan is this: When the spread of virus increases, the number of tests increases (simply because there are more people who get sick); when the spread decreases, the number of tests also decreases.

What happened in Japan is even people who got sick, very sick, were not even tested.

So, even with sick people, you have little or no testing for those people.

Many posters here even have detailed their experiences at train,g but not able to being tested, even though they presented severe symptoms.

That is what happened and is happening here.

Commodore Perry:

When there is not enough testing, people who are infected with coronavirus don’t get counted, and they don’t know to isolate themselves. As a result, these people can spread the coronavirus and cause disease in their communities.

No. That did not happen in Japan. What happened and is happening in Japan is this: When the spread of virus increases, the number of tests increases (simply because there are more people who get sick); when the spread decreases, the number of tests also decreases.

It's as simple as that.

How many were tested? 500? lol

socrateosJune 7  09:49 pm JST

Japan does not perform random testing; they do targeted testing. In other words, they focus on people with symptoms or people related to those who tested positive. Such targeted testing has naturally higher positive rate. 

In a country where random testing is not performed, positivity rate itself on a particular date is not very meaningful. What is meaningful, however, is trends. Is it going up or down. Since May 4th, when the positivity rate was 8.8%, it has been going down steadily.

That is the problem. Does such approach take into account asymptomatic people?

When there is not enough testing, people who are infected with coronavirus don’t get counted, and they don’t know to isolate themselves. As a result, these people can spread the coronavirus and cause disease in their communities.

Without enough testing, the coronavirus continues to spread.

Even The Who considers a higher than 5% positivity rate high.

Oh so not sick on weekends but sick on Monday to Friday, interesting!

How did you come to that being the conclusion, and that it's not just less people making the effort to reach out for tests on the weekend?

Because that possibility exists too, and you seem very sure that it must be because people get sick less on weekends. Personally, that seems like an extremely silly assertion to me, yet you've ruled out any other. Are you sure you know how to do logic?

Anyways, if you tell us how you eliminated the other possibilities it would eliminate the confusion.

No, it did not "become so small on the weekends." It has been ALWAYS small on the weekends. People apparently do not want to work or test on weekends.

Oh so not sick on weekends but sick on Monday to Friday, interesting!

Does that apply to other diseases or illnesses?

Antiquesaving

Strange how that targeted testing become so small on the weekends.

No, it did not "become so small on the weekends." It has been ALWAYS small on the weekends. People apparently do not want to work or test on weekends.

Japan does not perform random testing

Really! Strange how that targeted testing become so small on the weekends.

Monday to Friday approx 8,000 tests daily in Tokyo, on Sunday 1,600 I guess the covid virus takes the weekend off?

No. I know how it works. Been here for 20 years. Most people I talked to don't want it.

Been here over 30 years and if you haven't learned that the majority of Japanese will not tell you what they are thinking or going to do then you haven't learned much.

Those that say what you claim are the minority that are vocal the vast majority stay quite ignore and just do as they plan without saying anything.

Those that most vocal are people like you mostly upset because people are not buying into the game dangers.

People went on and on about AZ saying no one wanted it but when it was offered in my home province in Canada to anyone that wanted it over 16 no appointment necessary the centres were packed and very few waited for Pfizer appointments.

Now the province is approaching 80% Vaccinated with at least one dose.

So keep one trying but obviously the majority are not listening to the fear mongering of the anti vaxxers.

Commodore Perry:

Still very high positivity rate.

Japan does not perform random testing; they do targeted testing. In other words, they focus on people with symptoms or people related to those who tested positive. Such targeted testing has naturally higher positive rate.

In a country where random testing is not performed, positivity rate itself on a particular date is not very meaningful. What is meaningful, however, is trends. Is it going up or down. Since May 4th, when the positivity rate was 8.8%, it has been going down steadily.

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Oh and just to be clear, there is a very limited number of people who can be vaccinated per day. Depending on the size of the center it's anywhere from 50 to 100.

I know this fact because I teach a doctor who works at one of these centers. It's all fake supply to cause demand.

In the elderly community it is a status symbol to have gotten a reservation to take the vaccine. It's all the hype. They talk about it all the time; if your only resource is tv, I guess it's basically all you can think about.

Antique saving

No. I know how it works. Been here for 20 years. Most people I talked to don't want it.

Ofcourse your right about the old people, they are glued to the TV and still think everything to TV says is accurate. They still source the tv for all their information. The thinking folks I know will wait and see what happens as they are smart enough to understand side effects can come much further down the line.

I already got one of the companies I work for offering me a vaccine. I'm a gaijin so I can say no thanks, but most japanese say how high when their life time employer offers them anything.

In all it was a big push to convince people to take the vaccine. Yet the japanese general public wouldn't take them on their own so they now have given access to companies to push them on there employees. 

Great fake narrative.

Vaccination centres are fully booked, people are clamoring to get on waiting list for any chance of a cancellation space opening up all this was in the news just in the part week.

So the reason the government is asking companies to take on part of it is because the government system cannot meet the demand.

Some people will invented anything to try and make their incorrect beliefs somehow relevant

@RM

I believe the cycles are at 43-45.

I think the warm weather has more to do with it, but you are correct, the cycles are way too high.

Also more test centers popped up at major cities at train stations the past few months. I think that added to it as well; more test, higher numbers.

In all it was a big push to convince people to take the vaccine. Yet the japanese general public wouldn't take them on their own so they now have given access to companies to push them on there employees. Unlike Americans who would go and get their vaccines independently, japanese usually need a push to do anything their government wants them to do, they use their employers. This is also true with picking a candidate for elections; usually employers tell their employees how to vote.

It's all been war gamed well and if I was working for the vaccine companies this is what I would suggest to do as well.

You're kinda right. It's 24% of people over 65

Ooops.. What I saw on TV might have been 24% of 65+ in Tokyo ! My Japanese isn't great.

if so I am sorry !, 3.5M made better sense in my head because at a reported rate of 600K per day in Japan assuming a big chunk of that is in fact taking place in Tokyo, i simply added everyone 65+ ( about 2.5 M) and 1M medical staff .

72 in Osaka, oh yes. I’ll celebrate with a few bevvies. Very nice downward trend, I know it fluctuates but it’s on the way down. Bye bye Covid, let’s prepare for the Olympics.

@n1ki

You're kinda right. It's 24% of people over 65.

https://vdata.nikkei.com/newsgraphics/coronavirus-japan-vaccine-status/

So 780,000 people. That's almost 3.5 million.

Not sure where people are getting their information on how many have been vaccinated but as it stands now

17.3 million doses have been given in the country.

4.3 million people are fully vaccinated that accounts for 8.15 million doses.

That leaves 9.15 million people that have received one dose.

Where does this information come from

Well.. 24% of Tokyo has received the first shot

Do provide a source.

If this was true it would be highly disproportionate to the rest of the country.

Well.. 24% of Tokyo has received the first shot !

Sure. Next you'll be saying 24% of households in Tokyo speaks English as their first language.

Amazing drop in testing, from 8,000 to just over 5,000 then bam 1,600 and voila we get the low cases wanted.

Funny how no one gets sick every weekend!

Just so some understand the numbers, the numbers shown for Saturday were tests taken on Friday the number for Sunday are tests taken Saturday and those today we're taken Sunday and tomorrow will be higher numbers because they will be mostly private lab results taken today that people had to pay for.

That's completely wrong

Why ? 25% of Tokyo is 3.5M people . Sounds about right does it not ?

narutalToday  05:34 pm JST

For those interested, 4,249 tests on the 5th and 1,451 on the 6th.

If tests results take about 48 hours to turn up, then we are looking at a 5.5% positive ratio.

In New York, anything above a 3% positivity rate forces schools to institute remote learning.

Source?

I saw it on telly ! It is probably somewhere out there on Reuters too....

No country with only 24% FIRST shot (you are not vaccinated until 2 weeks after the 2nd shot) has come even remotely close to herd immunity. So yes, it is a false statement.

For Pfizer it takes 12 days after the first shot to develop immunity at around the 52% efficacy mark; 7 days after the second shot will get you to 95%. For Moderna, I believe is 2 weeks after no1 for 50% immune and 14 days after the second for 94% .

Other countries other nonsense ; i don't know. For Tokyo I think "becoming immune" isn't false also because on top of these 24% vaccinated we've got naturally obtained immunity from a year and half of uninterrupted transmission.

@Oxycodin

No proof is ever going to be good enough for you people so afraid of the unfortunately hard reality.

Ashley and I both have been through the system upon getting sick with COVID here. We know exactly what goes on, and sadly, we know numerous others who have been through what we have, too.

The death rates are posted all over Japanese media, so you can see for yourself that they are at their highest recently (and these being only the ones actually tested and reported as COVID deaths).

The doctors and nurses are the ones saying there is no more room and that they are at their limit. Really, you can see all this on plenty of the articles here on JT and other Japanese news websites. Do your research and stop asking other members for proof that won't satisfy you anyway.

I admire the ability of some on this page to live in such happy delusion to think that the numbers posted each day are actually accurate and reflecting a genuine downward trend. Must be nice living in la-la-land. Tell the rest of us how to get there some time. But in the meantime, I suspect we'll be thinking logically and looking at what scientifically makes sense.

Really where’s the proof

Death rates are up, hospitals are full, doctors and nurses over worked and stressed, COVID sick people turned away from hospitals because there are no beds, and many end up dying at home because they could not get hospital care.

Zoroto

The comment was in jest which I thought was plain to see, never mind.

Zoroto

well, if the true case numbers are hidden so well by the government as you claim we would probably have herd immunity by now.

So, from I understand from some here if we had 100 times more tests there would be a change in severe cases and deaths or would there? The severe cases and deaths are far lower than predicted by the ones moaning about tests. It goes against their belief so they make up theories to justify them. Japan has not fared too badly from Covid and it’s on the retreat, be happy. No need to enter the world of conspiracy theories.

So they tested 23 million people who are told to stay home if they have symptoms?

@m1k1

That's completely wrong

Love the Japan model. Groundbreaking.

Well.. 24% of Tokyo has received the first shot ! So.. "people becoming immune" isn't entirely a false statement.

@marcelito

I know! If only the rest of the world had figured out the virus is purely nocturnal and can't affect you during crowded morning commutes because it is still asleep.

What is the PCR cycle set at? Any above 35 and you will find anything you want to.

The downwards trend continues which is good news for all of us. Will also reassure those nervous about the safety of the Olympics. Covid is on the way out and with vaccines being rolled out to the most vulnerable there is no longer any need to be worried.

Today always records the lowest numbers, but nice to see it go down yet again.

Japan is getting on top of the virus, finally.

It’s in the number plan I bet to make Tokyo look safe to hold Olympics. No brainstorming here

Whoa! People are becoming immune!

Still very high positivity rate.