Tokyo reports 32 coronavirus cases; nationwide tally 285

Herd Immunity.

Double plus good news!

Popped out locally today for the afternoon with my partner around Shinseikai. Very busy like before Covid apart from no foreign tourists about. Most people have realised now that Covid is a minute danger to the average healthy person, plus most of them would have had vaccines by now to reassure them further.

The number of infected people hospitalized with severe symptoms in Tokyo was 22, up one from Friday, health officials said. The nationwide figure was 208, down nine from Friday.

Clear improvements.

Look at China, at Russia the cases are all being backing up!

They screw up due to stubborn insistence on homegrown vaccinations against public will (and hypocrisy runs as their political leaders must have received jabs of western brands :))

Heard immunity?

Oak City Mall in Yamato was jammed pack today. Went shopping as well. Good to see people out and about. 100% masks even on old men worn properly.

Most people have realised now that Covid is a minute danger to the average healthy person, plus most of them would have had vaccines by now to reassure them further.

Reassurance?

Vaccines are the reason why we are now in a position to lift restrictions.

The useful members of society put us in this position. I hope you show due respect to these people.

Herd immunity in action!!!

Jimizo

Vaccines are not the only reason we are in this position, their effectiveness is limited and are not a cure. Herd immunity from past infections is already included. We never had it so bad her compared to many Western nations due to better overall health, low obesity rate and less close contact in daily lives. These are things I pointed out all along and was ridiculed by many here though I have been proved correct as I was about the Olympics being safe.

Anyone who assumes over-vaccination induce another infection?

For the not-enough-testing camp, this figure is based off of 3851 tests, for a positivity rate of 0.83%

It will be nice for all of us when an even greater number are vaccinated… so perhaps then some of these self appointed, annoyitalls can finally go silent about it and move on to find something else to fault the masses for?

Still it’s somewhat admirable @falseflagsteve that you maintained a consistent, unwavering stance throughout. What is a bit frightening is how anyone, like you, not in lockstep is being vilified? Good for you. Stand your ground in the face of bullying.

Vaccines are not the only reason we are in this position, their effectiveness is limited and are not a cure.

They are the most effective measure to reduce the dangers of the infection and together with social distancing measures are without any reasonable doubt the reason why cases decrease. The experts all coincide in this and none have raised immunity from natural infection as an important reason for the reduction in Japan, specially because asymptomatic (or mildly symptomatic) infection may not even produce lasting immunity to the degree the vaccines do. The experts position about the olympic games was that the games were an unnecessary risk, saying that fortunately things were not as bad as they could possibly be (specially without any scientific basis to do it) in no way prove that risk was not there.

What is a bit frightening is how anyone, like you, not in lockstep is being vilified?

‘Frightening’. Relax, don’t get hysterical.

I just think the useless people should show some appreciation for the useful who helped put Japan in a decent position.

I usually thank the driver for getting me there when I’m the passenger.

Common courtesy. Just the way I was brought up.

They are the most effective measure to reduce the dangers of the infection and together with social distancing measures are without any reasonable doubt the reason why cases decrease.

OK vaccination and social distance have been the norm worldwide where Japan's vaccination has been criticized so much here for being too slow. What do you think differentiates Japan from others for this sudden decrease?

Virusrex

Yes, we all know the things the experts have said and they have been repeatedly incorrect. I actually never said vaccines weren’t the main cause but he is a far bigger picture out there which you refuse to look at and acknowledge. You ignore the importance of obesity rates, general health of the population and many others. If you genuinely believe Japanese have been social distancing then you don’t know what you’re talking about, I’m out daily and it doesn’t happen.

The experts you choose to quote from regularly, are usually fear mongering and scare many people for no reason. Where’s the half a million deaths if the Japanese didn’t do western style lockdowns? Etc etc etc, plenty of people have had enough of those sorts.

Where’s the half a million deaths if the Japanese didn’t do western style lockdowns?

Sincere people know that comparing Japan with Western countries in this case is completely disingenuous. It’s as disingenuous as those who trumpeted the Swedish approach without comparing Sweden’s outcomes with its Nordic neighbours.

The death rates in western countries warranted a different approach to the death rates we saw in Japan or South Korea ( South Korea has done a far better job with Covid than Japan ).

Horses for courses.

Again, those being sincere here don’t need this pointing out.

Yes, we all know the things the experts have said and they have been repeatedly incorrect

Never as much as the people that choose to repeat the opposite, obesity rates or the general health of the population have nothing to do with the number of infections decreasing, that makes no sense. Japanes have been distancing even against what the government counterproductive measures would have people do, most of the population do have a lot of care and this (together with the vaccines) is why the cases drop. Your personal experience is a very poor argument to say how a whole country is behaving, for that you would need actual data to prove it.

The experts recommendations and conclusions are based on objective data that proves you wrong, calling for care and attention is precisely why the infection is not getting out of control right now in Japan, while people that baselessly call everything they don't want to believe "fear mongering" have nothing to prove their own beliefs as right. Using false declarations as terribly obvious strawman does nothing to prove the real declarations and recommendations as false or mistaken, it only proves that you feel it is valid to lie and misrepresent what the experts have actually said just to "defend" mistaken beliefs.

Jimizo

Why were the deaths rates so high in the West? I’ve given the reasons countless times and the facts cannot be disputed. I haven’t changed my stance once and am sincere in all my posts while remaining civil even to the most abusive and rude posters.

And the reason for this ridiculously low number is:

PRC Tests on 10/22 was 3,745 people.

If we were allowed to post pictures here, which we think would and could be supportive of different viewpoints, and make the forum possibly more interesting, one could show that social distancing does work and does not, is followed, and is not.

I had an older person breathing down my neck in a conbini and even followed me to the register and put his items next to mine. However, in other places, the spacing is great and followed. The trains though, oh my oh my, would never want to ride on that daily. But they are quiet and everyone masked.

It is of course valid to compare death rates between regions. How else would we find out about how the virus spreads and about effective methods to combat it?

That's what science is all about...

Not so sure about ‘the vibe’ here @steve but this poster ‘seems’ fair:

The figure sounds nice, but i have absolutely not trust in this. The number of test is extremely low so it is fake. The virus has not gone yet, it is just a matter of figures. Of course I would be jumping for joy if this would be real and we can get ride of masks and all the shields and open up normal bar times etc. But there is still no plan here. So low number doesn't mean a thing if there is no plan afterwards.