Tokyo reports 386 new coronavirus cases; nationwide tally 1,283

High positivity rate again!

I’ve been trying to work out the thinking process here.

“Now it has been made public that certain foreign athletes and staff are positive for the Delta variant, people are angry and may not vote for us. We had better tell people that there were fewer cases today than there have been recently. Then they will believe that everything is all right!”

case Numbers continue on a downward trajectory. Nationwide severe cases also fall which is probably from the vaccines. We see less elderly, by far the most vulnerable having severe symptoms, this of course also means fewer deaths. As the vaccines continue to be given this shall continue unless a far more deadlier variant appears or one that the vaccines do not protect from.

Steve, this is from the English language version of the official Tokyo Metropolitan Govt. website, as of yesterday:

The rate of increase of new positive cases has been rising considerably for two weeks straight, and there are signs of a resurgence in infections

That’s from https://stopcovid19.metro.tokyo.lg.jp/en/

Do you know something we (and the Tokyo government) do not?

Or do you just think you know more than the Tokyo government?

Some Dude

Maybe, what I know is that Tokyo is the capital of Japan and not the entire country where cases are falling daily. Also if you look at numbers of severe cases including Tokyo, they are all falling. A slight rise was possibly after SOE but with severe cases and deaths falling we see the most vulnerable are being protected. As vaccinations continue severe cases and deaths shall continue to fall nationwide.

this is very low numbers. also, i think people here will be nice to know that i will receive my vaccination next week! my office has made big commitment and i thank my shacho and the ldp for the help.

Well, Steve, hope you are right in your optimistic outlook. Nobody wants a super-spreader games. (Also your indifference to the well-being of people of Tokyo is at least refreshingly honest).

Now under 20k active cases nationwide and falling. Kanto the only region really seeing much in the way of new cases. Vaccinations picking up. Things looking good. Still the conspiracy theorists carry on, do they want everyone in Japan to get the virus? Seems that way.

@Commodore Perry

High positivity rate again!

What does that even mean? If you are trying to tell us that the number of positive cases is high relative to the number of tests, then I think you are misunderstanding testing in Japan. They only test suspicious cases so that correlation will always result in a "high" percentage. You can't extrapolate this percentage and conclude that it is the amount of infected people in Tokyo. That is absurd.

Based on your assessment you agree on both variables published by the government. So the 386 new cases in the prefecture of TOKYO (12M people) is considered a high positivity rate too?

Answer: it isn't.

Objective

Great post. The problem I see here with many is the way they use numbers to confirm their beliefs. They may claim certain numbers are right, some fake etc but always find a way to them fit into their belief that Covid is much more rampant and dangerous in Japan than it really is.

ObjectiveToday  06:44 pm JST

@Commodore Perry

High positivity rate again!

What does that even mean? If you are trying to tell us that the number of positive cases is high relative to the number of tests, then I think you are misunderstanding testing in Japan. They only test suspicious cases so that correlation will always result in a "high" percentage. You can't extrapolate this percentage and conclude that it is the amount of infected people in Tokyo. That is absurd.

Based on your assessment you agree on both variables published by the government. So the 386 new cases in the prefecture of TOKYO (12M people) is considered a high positivity rate too?

Answer: it isn't.

What percentage of those tested are asymptomatic? So, extrapolate that to the general population who aren't being tested. Then test them, and see the number of positive cases.

Serious cases unchanged from yesterday, tomorrow it will decrease by one. This has been the pattern since the pandemic started. It didn't change with the England variant, we are seeing no change to this pattern even with the delta variant becoming the prevalent variant in Tokyo. Osaka experienced large spikes with the England variant Tokyo unscathed, Maybe Tokyo people are made of Teflon. Unchanged today, Plus one tomorrow, minus two day after tomorrow, steady gradual reduction over time without people taking note.

It is like flying under the radar and going unnoticed. How can the same virus behave differently inside the same country. Tokyo numbers in particular have always defied logic and common sense. The delta variant still spreads even when there is lockdown as noticed in Australia or even in England where the high percentage

of the population is vaccinated, widespread free testing and stringent contact tracing yet here in Japan especially in Tokyo and surrounding prefectures with none of the mitigation efforts the virus becomes less infectious. c'mon doesn't make sense.

The number of coronavirus-related deaths reported nationwide was 10.

This is the lowest I've seen so far, I hope this is not an aberration.

Vaccinations for the elderly must be the main cause

If you look at the trends in the USA, spikes of covid infection occurred mostly when it was either very uncomfortably hot or cold, most likely because it drove people indoors and thus into closer contact with each other. That also occurred in Japan. With the percentage of Japan's vaccinated population being ridiculously low still, and this new more easily spread delta mutation floating around, I imagine when it finally gets really hot and humid here we will see another big surge in cases. That's my prediction, time will tell. The vaccine is the only way out of this mess, they had better double their efforts.

Great post. The problem I see here with many is the way they use numbers to confirm their beliefs. They may claim certain numbers are right, some fake etc but always find a way to them fit into their belief that Covid is much more rampant and dangerous in Japan than it really is.

I know some numbers you can consider. Every post you make is downvoted, usually into double digits.

Is it a problem you see too? How does that fit into your belief that most people should support the games and are mistakenly worried about Covid, which you have repeatedly claimed you have zero concerns about?

klausdorthToday  07:39 pm JST

Just a minor thought. . Tokyo is not a prefecture, it's Tokyo-to!

Straight from wikipedia:

Tokyo, officially the Tokyo Metropolis (Japanese: 東京都, Tōkyō-to), is the de facto capital[note 1][7] and most populous prefecture of Japan.

Tokyo is not technically a city of which is it almost is always described as. The most populated proper CITY in Japan is Yokohama.

Ashley ShibaToday  09:09 pm JST

A doctor on NHK news, today, believes we could see a thousand cases a day once the Olympics begin.

If that comes to pass, those cases will be on the heads of the IOC and LDP…not a single member of either of which will care one iota.

And *this @Objective 9:17pm **you’re concerned about and not the incorrect and possibly inoffensive use of the word “tribal”?***

*- “**Tokyo, officially the Tokyo Metropolis (Japanese: 東京都, Tōkyō-to), is the de facto capital …. Tokyo is not technically a city of which is it almost is always described as. The most populated proper CITY in Japan is Yokohama.” *

Thought you were more ‘progressive’ and tolerant. An acknowledgement or reply of some kind would have been appropriate, don’t you think? Even ffs is, at least, cordial.

Finally, we have the Nationwide numbers to compare.

@falseflagsteve

Thanks for the common sense.

I really don't get the fear mongering that's going on here.

Total disregard to the fact that less people are in severe condition, less deaths.

But they are hanging on the low testing, which doesn't mean a thing in this instance anyway.

Bob,

If I were in a popularity contest I may have concern about down votes, but I don’t have any.

*’Damn the Torpedoes…’ *@ffs 10:26pm. “… Full speed ahead!”

- “If I were in a popularity contest I may have concern about down votes, but I don’t have any.” -

Impressive positivity! Quoting David Farragut or, Alfred E.?

Perhaps found you another ally @ffs 10:26pm:

- “ Basically, you think they have the right to protest an international event, uproot and hijack it because they FEEL discriminated against and it doesn't matter that people paid big money to watch the games, forget their feelings that they are excited to finally get out after being couped up and locked down for over a year and now want to spoil themselves and enjoy some good old fashioned competition, who cares, right?! “ -

@Ashley Shiba

You read what you want to read. And you disregard solid facts and common sense.

You are too concerned about how many people caught the virus and how many tests have been done.

It just doesn't matter. There are fewer serious cases and fewer corona-related deaths.

That means that the ones who got the virus are the young people who are less to develop a serious illness or any illness at all. So the elderly who are in the high-risk group are being kept safe thanks to awareness and the vaccination rollout.

There are not a lot of tests because there are fewer people with symptoms. So no tests for the healthy!

The best number to show us where we stand is the death rate. Thank god the rates are going down, and hopefully, they will keep going down.

The vaccination rollout started gaining momentum and with this pace, herd immunity is around the corner.

If you want to live the rest of your life in fear then go for it. Lock yourself indoor and distance yourself from the whole world. The coronavirus is probably here to stay, how long are you planning to play hide and seek with it?

The numbers show that we are in a better place, and it will keep getting better the more people will get vaccinated. Luckily the most vulnerable have mostly been vaccinated.

I really don't get the fear mongering that's going on here.

Total disregard to the fact that less people are in severe condition, less deaths.

But they are hanging on the low testing, which doesn't mean a thing in this instance anyway

Only one problem with everything you said.

Total number of cases is over 600 more in the past 7 days than the previous 7 days, the total number hospitalised has gone up by over 140 meaning more people are sick and more are in hospital and the way that works is as more get sick and more are in hospital we are going to see more serious cases as those in hospital get worse.

Common sense isn't to say look today numbers are down when for the past week numbers went up triple digits.

Tomorrow the number of cases will be lower because the will test few today.

Then on Tuesday we will again see triple digit jump in cases like last Tuesday again the deniers will again say just a small bump and again bon Saturday as numbers drop by a few dozen claim a Big drop.

You make no sense numbers up by nearly 200 in one day that is just a small bump numbers drop by 20 or so Big drop.

Honestly do you read what you write?

While @Objective 11:19pm we don’t think your comments were intentionally meant to be hurtful, indigenous people identify with each other as such.

Respectfully, it’s our word that has a significance to our people and we prefer that it wouldn’t be used out of context. (Perhaps read the posts in the contexts they were written earlier today?) The issue centers around the arbitrary use of the word “tribal” and it sounded like you would respect other people’s ideals, as well as yours. *Are you not “Objective**”?*

*This *@Objective 11:19pm was the lasting impression we had of your point of view:

“Even though we have a lot of differences of opinion based on our posts, it is important not to be tribal and acknowledge each other's thoughts, positively or negatively.” -

You posted it immediately after someone was identified as part of the Comanche Nation. Then, you obstinately use it again here to make Your point?

“social progressivism is not in my dictionary. I do not belong to that "tribe" or any other. Labelling oneself as such weakens the mind and ones opportunities,…”

Will you not give that same respect, instead of continuing to use the word to your own designs when it was requested otherwise?

The number of new posters who come and go on these particular threads is absolutely fascinating.

The turnover rate is astonishing.

Still, glad to see new people willing to step up to the task and write exactly the same things, often in the same writing style.

Fascinating.

I like the ‘graf’. Very informative.

Tokyo total cases from last week the 13th to the 19th total 2644

This week 20th to 26th total 3332

Total cases up from last week 688

Total number of people in hospital from yesterday 1385 total in hospital today 1427 and increase of 42

Total increase in those hospitalised in Tokyo up 141 from last week.

As we have seen since the start as Tokyo goes the rest of the country follows not to long after!

Even Tokyo's government own covid website is says we are in an up turn in cases but you will just ignore that after going on how right it is for so long!

How many tests?

How many tests?

As much as there are people with symptoms.

Severe cases in hospital and deaths are what we look for and they are falling fast. Nationwide, Covid is losing its relevance, the vaccine is the final nail in its coffin.

A high percent positive means that more testing should probably be done—and it suggests that it is not a good time to relax restrictions aimed at reducing coronavirus transmission. 

 As a rule of thumb, however, one threshold for the percent positive being “too high” is 5%. For example, the World Health Organization recommended in May that the percent positive remain below 5% for at least two weeks before governments consider reopening.

Why does more testing help?

When there is not enough testing in an area, people who are infected with coronavirus don’t get counted, and they don’t know to isolate themselves. As a result, these people can spread the coronavirus and cause disease in their communities.

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/covid-19-testing-understanding-the-percent-positive.html

@Commodore Perry

Why does more testing help?

How would you decide who to test?

What are your criteria?

Do you want to randomly test people?

What is the game play?

@Commodore Perry

Why does more testing help?

How would you decide who to test?

What are your criteria?

Do you want to randomly test people?

What is the game plan?

menovToday  02:10 am JST

How would you decide who to test?

What are your criteria?

Do you want to randomly test people?

What is the game plan?

Probably John Hopkins School of Public health can answer those questions. They probably know a little more than we do.

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/covid-19-testing-understanding-the-percent-positive.html

They probably know a little more than we do.

They do know better than us, but they also haven't answered even one of my questions.

Who do you suggest we test? Will you force healthy people to test without their will?

Right now the Japanese Gov test anyone that comes to a doctor and display symptoms. They don't just go around and testing random people.

In the article you've provided, they talk about the importance of testing, and not how to actually do the testing process.

menovToday  02:57 am JST

They do know better than us, but they also haven't answered even one of my questions.

I saw the answers there.

Who do you suggest we test? Will you force healthy people to test without their will?

What about letting healthy people be tested? Plenty of posters here have told stories of not being able to get tested, even with multi-symptoms.

Right now the Japanese Gov test anyone that comes to a doctor and display symptoms. They don't just go around and testing random people.

Ok, so if anyone comes to a doctor and does not display symptoms, the Japanese Govt. doesn't tests them. So we are back to my comment about asymptomatics

In the article you've provided, they talk about the importance of testing, and not how to actually do the testing process.

So they are wrong about the importance of testing? Does the article say don't test people who want the test? No. So the process is obvious. You want a test, you can get tested. I

Now there are some other spots,cough,cough...US UK,Brazil,in not such good straits.

Yeah because, as Abe said last year, cough cough ... Japan has already beaten coronavirus !

Seems like some people are still in 1945 believing in the invincible and godblessed japanese nation.

You want a test, you can get tested

Yup

Ok, so if anyone comes to a doctor and does not display symptoms, the Japanese Govt. doesn't tests them. So we are back to my comment about asymptomatics

The doctor recommends/orders tests based on symptoms. Do you usually just walk in to a hospital/clinic and ask for whatever test you want and they give it?

Mass testing a TOTAL waste of money. Spend the money on even more vaccine centres.

Sooner we get to 70% of people vaccinated (of those that want it) then the sooner the calls for 'mass testing' 'more testing' will cease.

I'm positive. I'm asymptomatic. I'm not ill. I may have been exposed to the virus in early December 2019 when the Mrs was down with a stubborn flu for 3 weeks. Didn't phase me. And as a child I sometimes drank water from the garden hose in the summer.

And as a child I sometimes drank water from the garden hose in the summer

Oh and that's supposed to be compared to a deadly virus you can transmit to fragile people through air ?

I drove a motorbike without helmet, does it matters ?