Japan reports 54,071 coronavirus cases

wobot

Perhaps you don’t understand math very well

10 people with serious symptoms and hospitalized in the Tokyo area, 80 on a national scale in a country of 120+ million people. Is posting these daily stats even relevant anymore? Everyone go out and enjoy the summer, I'm looking forward to our vacation in a few weeks.

The trend I’ve known for quite some time now is that the vaccines are working exactly as advertised! And much better than the mythical natural immunity the highly irresponsible minority have been chasing! Some people (the minority) need to stop trying to spread some conspiracy that actual Drs and scientists have claimed that the vaccines prevent infection. They have never made that claim! The other trend I’ve recently noticed is that ever since the anti everything clan declared Covid over in Japan, the number of new cases and actual hospitalizations have exploded…. Definitely the wrong trend .

Here’s a more concerning and specific trend to pay attention to:

Total Infections 9,656,351

Change from previous day +55,018

Hospitalizations 274,965

Change from previous day +25,932

45% of new cases are admitted to the hospital…. For those who don’t understand, those patients with severe symptoms are not the only patients hospitalized. Although I don’t understand how is omicron is so mild , some head cold, some minor bout of flu… yet we still have “severe cases.” And news flash …. The is no recovery from dead. Mask up when necessary. Get vaccinated or boosted asap! Follow the 3 C’s! Responsibly enjoy life without endangering others !

wobot:

Anyone notice a trend yet?

In order to see a trend, you need to show a time series.

The vaccines will not prevent infection or transmission, only help prevent severe symptoms which usually happen to a very small minority. They are pretty much irrelevant now, apart from for the most vulnerable.

I have zero personal concerns about the rising numbers, it’s a worldwide phenomenon. The vast majority in the world realise this virus ain’t going away but at the moment it’s not particularly deadly. They are carrying on with their lives as before. Others are still in fear, we see one chap here believe that 45% of infections require hospitalisation.

it’s a funny old world, but then again as my dear old gran used to stay, it takes all sorts.

It would be appropriate to list which strain of the virus is surging through Tokyo.

*2回接種 6,139 人*

*1回接種 69 人*

*接種なし 1,967 人*

*不明 1,541 人*

https://stopcovid19.metro.tokyo.lg.jp/

Anyone notice a trend yet?

Trend?

Is the trend you’re referring to that only about 15% in Japan haven’t had 2 vaccinations but the numbers you show above say nearly 40% of the cases were in that 15%?

Looks like the vaccinations are helping!

The vaccines have not ended the pandemic of cases as promised, despite the fact that the much touted "herd immunity" of 70% has been surpassed in Japan.

The vaccines were never a measure that by itself would end the pandemic, they have always meant to reduce the burden of the disease, which they have done without problem.

Herd immunity is not a fixed value that will interrupt all transmission, specially once variants that make previous immunity less effective appeared. Debunking things that no expert ever said does nothing to contradict the huge advantage vaccines represent.

The most awkward statistic is that the BA.5 wave is almost exclusively hitting highly vaccinated countries.

Don't you mean that countries that have factors that facilitate transmission are also those that put more emphasis on vaccinating? getting the cause-effect relationship wrong is not a good argument. Specially when the rates of hospitalization and death between infected people keep getting lower, as the vaccines are doing their job.

The vaccines will not prevent infection or transmission, only help prevent severe symptoms which usually happen to a very small minority. They are pretty much irrelevant now, apart from for the most vulnerable.

Vaccines have demonstrated to lower the rates of infection and transmission and they have demonstrated to lower the risk of severe symptoms and death on all populations where they are being recommended. People dying may be irrelevant for you, but not to their families and doctors, that consider every preventable hospitalization and death worth it. Vaccines are in a great part responsible for the disease not to be as deadly as in the beginning, which means what makes you not be worrying in the first place is people doing the opposite of what you recommend.

Vaccines have demonstrated to lower the rates of infection and transmission

Sure, therefore everywhere in the world the cases are increasing.

https://mainichi.jp/english/covid19

Just the facts as supplied by the jgov! The precise reason Covid is less severe to most is because the vast majority of responsible people are vaccinated and boosted ! It’s a direct result of the vaccines! Not fanciful thoughts ! That’s the one major issue I’ve had with the jgov. They slow rolled the vaccines. But once they got the program rolling , omicron went from being the deadliest variant of Covid in Japan to date to manageable. But with the actual total current number of hospitalizations on a dramatic rise …. And we know the numbers are only going to get worse before they get better …. Keep doing your individual part to help mitigate the spread! The irrelevant minority are not going to change their reckless behaviors and lack of care for others .

BA.5 almost certainly the dominant strain behind this wave. Evidence so far indicating it is a very successful one, evading to an extent vaccine protection, massively increasing asymptomatic spread, and having a longer infectious period. Still the best way to minimise your chance of serious illness and possibly reduce the rate of spread are... the same things as up to now : social distancing, masking, getting boosters.

The herd immunity idea also taking a backseat, as there's a high rate of reinfection, which will be more risky for those suffering from long COVID. Also seems that BA.5 is more pathogenic than previous Omicrons, lodging more easily in lung tissue. So take it seriously.

Just because we're all tired of it, doesn't mean it's tired of us.

My sibling is x4 vaccinated.

Recently tested positive for covid.

Why they are self-testing in the first place is beyond me.

Anyway, symptoms include a mild cold-like cough, headache, but not terribly uncomfortable, and that's about it. They are self-quarantining thus the entire family had to go elsewhere.

All this negative unnecessary time and energy spent on a cold-like virus.

Oh, and spare the self-thinkers with the tired line of, 'but it reduces the severity of the virus'.

Just wash your hands people and keep you distance. I often do the first one but I especially like the latter.

Sure, therefore everywhere in the world the cases are increasing.

Yes, because the prevalent variants cause that, the same example of seat belts and increasing number of deaths in traffic accidents explains that.

All this negative unnecessary time and energy spent on a cold-like virus.

Vaccines and measures of control (the unnecessary time and energy) is what is making the virus less risky, the millions of people dying prove this is still not just a cold.

Hakman...

There have been at least 200,000 new cases in Japan in just the past few days.

Viruses are not like traffic accidents. The few who do get seriously ill from covid-19 start with minor symptoms that get worse. Usually about two weeks after infection. That's when they end up in hospital while the vast majority who get the virus are back to being fully recovered. We can expect to see an increase in hospitalizations next week, then more the week after.... not huge numbers.

When pushing for vaccination, it is not good to directly show that 3 and 4 times vaccinated get infected. That’s why the Tokyo government does not make the stats.

I know many 3 times vaccinated getting infected

When pushing for vaccination, it is not good to directly show that 3 and 4 times vaccinated get infected. That’s why the Tokyo government does not make the stats.

Why not? the primary objective of the vaccines is to reduce the risk that comes after infection. If this is still true even against new variants against which the vaccines were not even formulated that clearly proves they are doing a very good job. This is like saying statistics about traffic accidents are hidden to "push" for the use of seat belts, which makes no sense because their objective is not to prevent the accidents but decrease the risk once the accidents happen.

Had a recent visit to my physician, and she told me that over the past year, the incidence of the flu is about zero. So, knowing correlation is not causation, has COVID replaced the flu? I mean, basically being driven to a very small minority of sickness while COVID is getting headlines?

Curious.

This COVID thing is not nearly as serious as the attention and neurotic fear it's garnering suggests it is.

With 6.3 million people worldwide dead from Covid …. It’s far more serious than the attention it’s not getting!!!

virusrex

Why not? the primary objective of the vaccines is to reduce the risk that comes after infection

Well, it is nice to see that you finally admit that, after propagandizing for the mRNA shots for 2 years.

Meanwhile, natural immunity is still fundamentally supior to vaccination protection (note that none of the current vaccines are immunizing). See here:

https://swprs.org/the-power-of-natural-immunity/

Personally, I am still open to get the Novavax shot (which is finally available here), but since I had Corona, I am done with this.

Why not? the primary objective of the vaccines is to reduce the risk that comes after infection.

I do not see the point to take any vaccine just to reduce a risk, that is low for me. That's true for the majority.

Correction:

I do not see the point to take a vaccine every few months just to reduce a risk, that is low for me. That's true for the majority.

Had a recent visit to my physician, and she told me that over the past year, the incidence of the flu is about zero. So, knowing correlation is not causation, has COVID replaced the flu? I mean, basically being driven to a very small minority of sickness while COVID is getting headlines?

Nothing really interesting about it, the same measures that make the transmission of covid difficult are also effective at stopping influenza, except that influenza is much less transmissible, which means the measures are much more effective. This was predicted from the moment the measures were in place.

The vaccines do not prevent transmission or infection with latest variants. The average persons risk from these variants is minuscule and the data proves it.

Present that data because the scientific reports still say transmission and infection are decreased on vaccinated people and that everybody for whom the vaccines are indicated have a significant reduction of risk to their health and life, which is exactly the opposite of what you wrote.

Well, it is nice to see that you finally admit that, after propagandizing for the mRNA shots for 2 years.

Can you link to that supposed propagandizing? or is it something you just made up to have something to criticize even if not real?

Meanwhile, natural immunity is still fundamentally supior to vaccination protection (note that none of the current vaccines are immunizing).

No, it is not. Vaccinated people still have a much better chance against the disease, while unvaccinated people have several times higher risk to bein hospitalized or die from the disease. Your arbitrary personal definition of "immunizing" is not valid either because it would mean nothing is immunizing ever, not the infection, not any disease.

Personally, I am still open to get the Novavax shot (which is finally available here), but since I had Corona, I am done with this.

The variants have increased the risk of reinfection continously, and people that had the infection are still benefited from the vaccine, so your decision is still irrational and based only on your personal preference, not what can be objectively defined as best.

I do not see the point to take any vaccine just to reduce a risk, that is low for me. That's true for the majority

The risk is there, and it is significative enough to make the recommendation of a booster valid, at this point further boosters are only indicated for people with a much higher risk than the majority, so you would be refusing something that is not being offered.

So, yeah. Not worth the headlines this so-called virus is getting.

The experts of the world say the opposite of what you do, are they all wrong? is your personal opinion more valuable than the scientific consensus?

Do this with 2 or more vaccinations highly represented amongst hospitalisations...show how useless the current 4 and 5th dose of the vaccines are against omicron! Lucky this far it has been mild for those other than the small percentage of at risk groups as the alpha vaccine is a waste of time. By the time they bring out the omicron booster that strain will no doubt be obsolete as well. So much fear and paranoia over what has become a runny nose and cough for a few days...

Do this with 2 or more vaccinations highly represented amongst hospitalisations...show how useless the current 4 and 5th dose of the vaccines are against omicron!

No, that is still completely mistaken. If the hospitalizations are in a much lower level that shows they are actually very effective reducing this risk. Obviously when something is common to most of the population then it will be also common to the hospitalizations, the important part is that non-vaccinated people are over represented in the segment that gets hospitalized or die from covid. This completely contradicts your point, because if vaccines were useless then this over-representation would not exist.

One thing is that you are not able to accept that the vaccines work, that is your choice, but trying to convince other people of this mistaken conclusion is not valid. Vaccines are not a waste of time and they do reduce the risk even for young healthy people. What you call paranoia is just scientifically based precautions that are responsible of making the burden from the disease much less important, but still definetely not just a runny nose and a cough.

Meanwhile, natural immunity is still fundamentally supior to vaccination protection (note that none of the current vaccines are immunizing). See here:

https://swprs.org/the-power-of-natural-immunity/

Exactly, and most of us already have this natural immunity.

 people that had the infection are still benefited from the vaccine, 

The benefit of the vax to those who recovered is minimal according to the data.

Exactly, and most of us already have this natural immunity.

You mean the one that lets reinfection become more and more common? and that still shows a reduced risk when vaccinated even after infection?

That would mean it is not superior in any way, specially because in order to come with it you need to get the full risks from the infection. Which are several orders of magnitude higher than any risk associated with the vaccines.

The benefit of the vax to those who recovered is minimal according to the data.

Can you present that data? because you have been asked several times and never produce anything, meanwhile recognized institutions of medicine clearly say the benefits of the vaccines are substantial and justify the vaccination. So can you prove they are wrong and you are right?

Exactly, and most of us already have this natural immunity.

You mean the one that lets reinfection become more and more common?

But much less common than with vaccination; look at the Israeli data in Zaphod's link.

and that still shows a reduced risk when vaccinated even after infection?

Very very small benefit, again check the Israeli data. Clearly not worth the risk of getting a serious vax adverse effect.

As an example France cases 127000 population 67 million and open to tourism, Japan 54000 cases population 124 million and too scared to let tourists in to do their own thing, I'm pretty sure the few tourists on the group tours didn't spike the cases so what does that tell you ? Also 54000 cases is only 0.04% of the population not even 1% has Covid, just open up like every other normal country.

Meanwhile, natural immunity is still fundamentally supior to vaccination protection

Having to rely on natural immunity alone is why we have the pandemic in the first place.

Even if it indeed offers superior protection the process of getting it entails unacceptable death and hospitalization rates.

If we had just let nature take its course and didn't develop a vaccine the deaths and suffering would have been unimaginable

Very very small benefit, again check the Israeli data. Clearly not worth the risk of getting a serious vax adverse effect.

If what youre saying is true then data from other countries would show it as well

, I'm pretty sure the few tourists on the group tours didn't spike the cases so what does that tell you ?

Nothing

But much less common than with vaccination; look at the Israeli data in Zaphod's link.

Again, seeing something common in the segment of the population that is a vas majority is not a surprise, but again if your point is that natural infection gives better immunity the reinfectious disprove it, the same as the benefit from vaccinating people that have already been infected.

And this comes on top of natural immunity requiring the people to run the full risks of the disease, that by itself makes it much worse than vaccinating.

Very very small benefit, again check the Israeli data. Clearly not worth the risk of getting a serious vax adverse effect.

Also again, the people in charge of public health do not say the benefit is "very very small" but instead they say it justifies vaccination and they show the data to prove it, you brought no data to disproved even when explicitly asked for it, which would mean that data doesn't exist.

 the important part is that non-vaccinated people are over represented in the segment that gets hospitalized or die from covid. 

The non vaccinated are mostly kids and young people who have an active life.The over vaccinated, the elderlies, are often staying home and basically do not take risks. That is also a reason why non vaccinated are over represented. This fact is never taken into account in the stats.

This fact is never taken into account in the stats.

There are age groupings in the data

 the important part is that non-vaccinated people are over represented in the segment that gets hospitalized or die from covid. 

elderlies are most affected

It’s very funny how people have so short memory, that they cannot remember what happened a year or two before. If you are one of those people, please use google. Clear statements from top experts of the world how the vaccinations are the only way out of this pandemic.

Now, it didn’t materialize as the vaccines are not working as well as expected. the protection fades away way too fast to have any meaningful effect on stopping the pandemic.

Next, people are touting that they reduce hospitalizations and death? Yes, but only for that very short period of time. So it became that a booster is “required”, then “2nd booster”, etc.

Easy to google again the statistics of people who have died? Average age hovering above 80, most vaccinated 2-4 times. So even if the small group of people who have no shots is “overrepresented” in the stats, so what? How does it help those who believed they were protected and died?

Main point: everybody dies at some point, the older you are, the closer to the end you are. Corona or no-corona. Live everyday to the best of your ability and enjoy while it lasts. Stop the fear mongering!

Main point: everybody dies at some point, the older you are, the closer to the end you are. Corona or no-corona. Live everyday to the best of your ability and enjoy while it lasts. Stop the fear mongering!

Lol

The non vaccinated are mostly kids and young people who have an active life.The over vaccinated, the elderlies, are often staying home and basically do not take risks. That is also a reason why non vaccinated are over represented. This fact is never taken into account in the stats.

Proper scientific reports make an effort to describe the demographics on the groups being studied, they still report non-vaccinated people make a disproportionate amount of the people hospitalized and dying.

Clear statements from top experts of the world how the vaccinations are the only way out of this pandemic.

None to find, only comments about vaccines being part of the necessary measures that would minimize the deaths before the end of the pandemic, never a silver bullet that would work by itself against any and all variants that could appear.

Now, it didn’t materialize as the vaccines are not working as well as expected

The vaccines are working better than expected, being still useful against the current variants which was not something thought to be likely when developed.

So even if the small group of people who have no shots is “overrepresented” in the stats, so what? How does it help those who believed they were protected and died?

Vaccinated people are a reduced risk from the disease, without a better option to replace vaccines they still did the best they could to protect themselves.

Main point: everybody dies at some point, the older you are, the closer to the end you are. Corona or no-corona. Live everyday to the best of your ability and enjoy while it lasts. Stop the fear mongering!

Fortunately health care professionals do not consider protecting the lives of the people so inconsequential, that everybody die is a terribly bad argument to refuse something that can prolong the time anybody can remain alive and healthy. Saying this is not fear mongering it is simply something that can be proved scientifically.

Open up move on stop the hysteria! It is obvious that we are still here that the vaccines are next to useless! They weren't the only way out of the "pandemic" after all... Even if you want to get vaccinated every2- 3 months what's the point with a "vaccine" made using an obsolete strain. Just as many people in hospital with influenza but no one is having that conversation...The Covid gravy train is grinding to a halt thankfully though Japan seems to be the laggard in realizing it!

Okinawa (2,458)

An extremely high number and shows a closer reality to the actual numbers.

High positivity rate in Tokyo too.

Fortunately health care professionals do not consider protecting the lives of the people so inconsequential, that everybody die is a terribly bad argument to refuse something that can prolong the time anybody can remain alive and healthy.

Any verifiable source to support this claim, as a non-member of the healthcare industry?

Any verifiable source to support this claim, as a non-member of the healthcare industry?

So your argument is that since you are not a member of the health care industry you dont agree those that are actually consider the lives of people important? that makes no sense. Even if you are a layman this is obvious common knowledge.

The risk is there, and it is significative enough to make the recommendation of a booster valid

For which age demographic?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105162/japan-patients-detail-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-cases-by-age-and-gender/

Japan's youth voluntarily snubbed their noses at the third shot due to the side effects of the second and as can be seen in the data provided, their mortality rate remains largely unchanged. I know that because I've been following it for over a year now. The risk of death for people in their twenties is like .1%, but only if we are factoring in confirmed cases. The real number of cases is likely much higher, meaning that the percentage of young mortalities is much smaller. That seems to point to the reality that boosters have not and will not make much of a difference, for this demographic at least.

No, the argument is you are not a member of the healthcare profession, so when you keep saying the "experts" that is just hearsay because you provide no verifiable source,

Then this is just the same baseless accusation you like to repeat to get your comments deleted by the moderation.

You don't know what other people are or do, so making these baseless accusations is not an argument, and it is (still) against the rules of the site.

For which age demographic?

As it is written in the rest of the reply that you left outside of the quote:

at this point further boosters are only indicated for people with a much higher risk than the majority, so you would be refusing something that is not being offered.

Japan's youth voluntarily snubbed their noses at the third shot due to the side effects of the second and as can be seen in the data provided, their mortality rate remains largely unchanged

"Largely"? by how much? how does this in any way refutes that the booster would have (according to the data provided by the experts) an effect decreasing not only the mortality but also the hospitalizations and severe health damaging compications.

That seems to point to the reality that boosters have not and will not make much of a difference, for this demographic at least.

You would think the experts have considered this and investigated epidemiologically if there is an effect or not, so nobody would have to "guess" if the difference is significative or not.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01699-1

Against hospitalization or death, absolute effectiveness of a BNT162b2 booster ranged from around 97% to 99% in all age groups irrespective of the primary course...

It is apparently even effective at reducing infection on the first place

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.03.08.22272056v1

wolfshineToday  12:55 pm JST

Japan's youth voluntarily snubbed their noses at the third shot due to the side effects of the second and as can be seen in the data provided, their mortality rate remains largely unchanged. I know that because I've been following it for over a year now. The risk of death for people in their twenties is like .1%, but only if we are factoring in confirmed cases. The real number of cases is likely much higher, meaning that the percentage of young mortalities is much smaller. That seems to point to the reality that boosters have not and will not make much of a difference, for this demographic at least.

Good points.

Japanese medical professionals (the real ones) are not united in pushing for vaccination.

And it is because of statistics like you provided which gives them support for their reasoning.

Then this is just the same baseless accusation you like to repeat to get your comments deleted by the moderation. 

You don't know what other people are or do, so making these baseless accusations is not an argument, and it is (still) against the rules of the site.

People here state they are teachers, artists, finance professionals, lawyers, ex-military---so obviously you are not in the medical profession, because if you were you would state so.

And look how you shamelessly shout for help---sad.