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Span having no new Covid deaths is NOT true. Italy has 15 and Spain 2 new deaths according to WHO. Providing false information to support your argument won’t convince a lot of people

Ok, two deaths, but after many days of none. The point is that I was answering someone who said that he didn't know of any countries where lockdowns had been effective other than New Zealand, bit I could point to two major economies where they had been highly effective.

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These kinds of news are exactly what the hateful people are actually overjoyed to read about, just to prove some twisted point of theirs.

For many months now these people vehemently disagreed with how Tokyo and Japan seemed to have the virus under control. It was almost as if they wanted coronavirus to spread, and spread rapidly.

I hope they are happy now. I for one take no joy in other people's miseries, whether in Japan, the United States, Australia, or any other country coming to grips with the second wave of this miserable disease.

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A flu virus marker will never go away... Cos that what those test show... A protein genetic marker released by antibodies from a wide range of viruses including common cold.... Nobody testing here for the actual virus... They testing for a genetic marker... You guys need to do due diligence.

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I do not understand why people do not stay home during this pandemic my British friend took her 2 small children along with her husband on a trip.

Perhaps because they would be fired? Even when the schools are "closed" and children are at home, the teachers still have to go there EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. and just sit there all together like mannequins, as if desperately waiting to get infected.

But if you refer to travelling and going out, there's a very simple answer in Japan: the government hasn't told them not to do this (and actually on the contrary, encourages them to travel), so therefore "it must be safe" tells the Japanese mind.

400 daily cases

Government: Emergency!

People: Oh my! It's horrible! It's a disaster!

800 daily cases

Government: No worries, it's fine.

People: Oh, it's safe! Let's go drinking and travelling!

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janem2:

Obviously even total lockdowns were not enough to kill the virus

When was there a lockdown in Japan? I must have missed that. There was a lot of urging, requesting and asking, with no penalties or repercussions apart from being shamed in the newspaper (ie slap on the wrist). I think our definition of a lockdown differs.

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So the figure should be much higher then, by around 30% if it's about the same as previous reports and iirc

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But in a disconcerting revelation, Koike said Thursday’s figures do not include results from the targeted testing of a high-risk demographic, unlike with an earlier resurgence from weeks back that stemmed largely from group testing conducted on host club employees in Tokyo’s Kabukicho red-light district — arguably the epicenter of Tokyo infections.

Found this little bit of info on the website of another newspaper from Japan. Did they make that up or did kyodo just forget to include it in their article?

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@n1k1

Thank you.

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again 90% of infected people symptomless, 99% recovers, and the 1% have complications and mortality. But the mortality rate is often associated with other underlying factors such as diabetes and obesity. Yes, a person who is infected and have uncontrolled blood sugar usually increases their morbidity by 37%. Others have cancer, weak immune response, suffering from various illness and so on.

Lets face the facts, this virus is no more deadlier than a common flu. It simply like fat people because the virus likes the angiotensin converting enzyme 2 which is available in much abundance in the lungs of fat people.

People who die, dies and people survive survives. Life goes on. Those who wants lock down, no one is forcing you to go out. By all means go and lock yourselves. But we know you will not be happy because other people are living their lives the way it is and so you want them to suffer as well. So you want is to lock up ourselves to share your misery.

The virus was here before we became humans, and it still here , Another deadlier mutation will occur again and again and again. Nature kills humanity, humanity destroys nature, Its a give and take, We all die, might as well live productive lives.

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Locking down is a big problem because eventually when we open up, the cases will rise again.

Um, yeah.

Have you looked out at the world? Countries that controlled the virus, and have opened up gradually, have learned to live with the virus, tracing new infections and suppressing them.

Countries that opened up before the virus was brought under control are a mess of infections and death.

Yes, cases will rise. But there is a difference between a rise of a few dozen cases, and a few thousands of cases.

I'll take the former thanks.

Although I do understand many people feel the old have lived long enough and are expendable, therefore the young don't need to concern theirselves with them.

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The problem is that people are too reckless! Unnecessary socialization, sanitation at restaurants and knowingly going to super crowded places. People think that wearing a mask will make them 100% safe. A mask has somewhat become a blessing and a curse! Restaurants need to space out customers properly, use alcohol based cleaning materials to sanitize eating utensils as well as tables and chairs. I’ve seen people at the drink buffet area with used glasses / cups to refill drinks thus putting their saliva on the machines! Of course we need to attend important social meetings but we should keep the number of people to a minimum say 1-3 and avoid unnecessary parties! The biggest problem yet is that people who feel a bit sick still go out exposing others to the virus! These are the selfish acts of people which will ensure the growth and spread of the corona virus!

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I don't know anymore. Locking down is a big problem because eventually when we open up, the cases will rise again.

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She needs two masks. One for each face. Same for that useless person called PM. Can't remember his name because I haven't seen him for such a long time. Hiding in the bunker too?

LOL, I'm dying of laughter here. Best comment I've read in a long time.

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About 50,000 died in the US because of Covid...and about 80,000 died because of flu in 2017,

Im all for not panic mongering but I'm also not in favor of watering it down.

Quick check at worldometer places US covid19 deaths at 146000

Other sources places flu deaths at 2016 - 34000; 2017- 61000; 2018- 34000. And these were all skyhigh estimates not actual counts

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About 50,000 died in the US because of Covid..

Are you reading news from may? It’s July mate.

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About 50,000 died in the US because of Covid

Before the next 90,000 died

It is not about the virus. It is about control and power.

Sounds ominous. This implies that Trump is exaggerating the virus to seize more 'control and power'. In fact he's doing the opposite, and he's losing 'control and power' as a result, which shatters your conspiracy.

So who gets 'control and power' from this?

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We all die, one way or the other. But there is foolishness in believing something to be worse than what really is. 90% symptomless, 99% survival rate; it is what really is. FEAR.

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The implication is this: the virus has been here since OCt and we were living our lives the way we always do until the fear took out our common sense because of the so called experts GROUP THINK. There is nothing to fear but fear itself

I am 65 with ashtma, had a heart surgery two years ago, tell me i'll be ok if i got the virus. There are more than 600.000 deaths and i'll saw how some of them died, tell me i should have no fear of the virus and fear to die like them

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About 50,000 died in the US because of Covid...and about 80,000 died because of flu in 2017, The US experts said 1.7 M people are going to die..then the numbers didn't add up so they changed into very deadly to deadly to..symptomless. Yes. we should be very afraid of a symptomless virus that does nothing to 90% of infected people and cause less than 1% death. But of course, FEAR is a factor that can be used to prime up the TV ratings, make the media important, make the government more relevant and give them more control. It is not about the virus, it is to test the extent of government power among its constituents. We had the communism, but when the threat failed, the govt came up with terrorism, and then global warming, now the COVID.

It is not about the virus. It is about control and power.

BTW, the CDC in the US is now considering Covid as non-epidemic.

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In my opinion, this coronavirus has mutated into less virulent form but it spreads faster and easier. The lack of visible symptom is well alarming. But then it became just a common cold just like most corona virus has become

You are being a little simplistic, the scientists that analyzed the virus had discovered that it has mutated yes but there are dozens of them not just one (the one that only causes cold like symptoms). There are still people without conditions being hospitalized in extreme conditions, so i assume they got a very aggressive mutation or a less fatal mutation that didn't go well with something in his body

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The press was told by the finance ministry the economy must go on and well that should mean Japan's economy must be a little fragile. Tokyo alone spend hundreds of millions just for the olympics they have no money so i think they are trying to work out how to keep the economy running and tactically fight the virus on their hotspot, but i think it's not working, they will continue until the hospitals became like horror movies and dozens of people start to die only by that they will close all but non essential services then when the situation normalizes they will open again, then close again...sincerely i don't think the government are that wrong but they are acting very slow, they should act faster, take decisions faster otherwise it will be more and more difficult to control the spread

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Let's face the facts. There was a spike of "influenza like symptoms but tested negative for the flu" as of November 2019 around the world. The signs and symptoms was very similar to Covid-19. How did it spread? well it all began in Wuhan, IN Oct of 2019, there was a military world games attended by 110 countries. These military personnel went home with the virus and started spreading it. People in Wuhan has been travelling all around the world. In November of 2019, there has been spikes of influenza like symptoms similar to covid-19 but because there were no test for the virus by then, it went ignored and just counted as flu.

Well, Japan has millions of Chinese visitors every month. Thousands of Japanese has been visiting China as well.

The implication is this: the virus has been here since OCt and we were living our lives the way we always do until the fear took out our common sense because of the so called experts GROUP THINK. There is nothing to fear but fear itself.

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“t, now we are experiencing an increase in cases as was expected when they supported opening the economy, they have nothing to say. Could it be their dramatic predictions of carnage were wrong?”

Very likely

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“Yesterday in Ginza I witnessed a packed restaurant of salary men elbow to elbow eating and drinking like Corona meant beer”.

It does. People have been buying into the panic for too long

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Sorry not buying the bs anymore

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Damn! It's hard being right most of the time :) but I TOLD YOU SO!!!

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90% of people positive for the virus shows no signs or exhibit mild symptoms. And the so called experts are wanting to shutdown the whole economy that lead to millions of people losing their jobs and livelihood which resulted to extreme poverty, lack of medical care due to misallocation of funds and personnel, increase crime rate due to loss of jobs, instability. All in the name of fighting an unseen virus that is being labeled as the next spanish flu. WHO is trying simply to get more relevant. They have been trying hard to create a pandemic with HIV, SARS, MERS and now they got their so called Covid,

Guess what? The Covid has been in Japan and around the world since early Oct of last year. Don't become victims of fear.

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There were 900 cases nationwide today, as a regular person I have no idea if the was expected after reopening, is a problem or isn't

What I dislike is the hypocrisy of so called experts who bask in the publicity of statements such as

"400,000 deaths expected"

Yet, now we are experiencing an increase in cases as was expected when they supported opening the economy, they have nothing to say. Could it be their dramatic predictions of carnage were wrong?

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Tom Doley:

Is anyone here, apart from the apologists, surprised?

Seems like increased testing is leading to increased cases.

Just proves that all the propaganda by Jgov is fake, you know the 'Japan model' or world class etiquette, culture, virus beating cuisine, and non-spitting language.

No surprise at all. In fact, Japan model has been working very well.

Japan has been increasing number of testing for sure. And increasing number of testing does increase number of positive results, of course. Japan model never claims that the number of positive results reflects the number of actually infected. In fact, they say repeatedly actual number of infected are higher than number of positive results: 10 to 20 times higher, perhaps even more.

The point is that "testing, testing, testing" is not priority. INCREASING TOTAL NUMBER OF TESTING IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS FOCUSING ON FINDING PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP. AND BLANKET TESTING FOR EVERYONE IS ACTUALLY DETRIMENTAL AS IT CREATES UNNECESSARY DIFFICULTIES TO HEALTH FACILITIES.

The numbers of patients with severe illness or deaths remain extremely small - a proof of Japan model success.

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This economy is long time gone. Not only in Japan but for each and every country, so don't hide behind the "saving economy".

If we don't try to save the economy and it crashes completely more people will die.

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good that weather is not that outing friendly. Way easier to "stay home" and not "go to get some trouble".

be safe everyone!

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my friend and her whole family tested positive for coronavirus. The reason was tracing. One of their guest was positive for the virus and they had her for a party. Anyway, to cut the story short...there was no visible symptoms. No fever, no shortness of breath, no chest pains. They were quarantined for 14 days. She said, the panic is hyped.

And yes, we know a whole family near our place who are all being quarantined right now, its now on their 2nd week. They are all healthy looking with no apparent symptoms. They remain in contact thru emails and phones.

In my opinion, this coronavirus has mutated into less virulent form but it spreads faster and easier. The lack of visible symptom is well alarming. But then it became just a common cold just like most corona virus has become.

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The government just encouraged and promoted this virus to grow leaps and bounds and I put this all on Abe's and his cronies heads for this idiotic campaign.

This one was really ill-advised. They aren't just encouraging people to travel they are actually giving the impression that all is well now if they decide to go through with this.

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@Ashley Shiba

Myself, my son and myself are not wearing face shields and paper mask

Yesterday

I have been sending him to school in a face shield.

This is only a comment section, but changing your story day-by-day doesn't help support your opinion.

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Late Flint , what do you want? Shut down everything and lock everybody at home for a month? Is it solves the virus problem in your opinion? This will be the same as influenza virus, and come and go every year, so you can stay at home for the rest of your life if you so afraid.

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We do have responsibility as members of society. Going to work and contributing to this same society which you are also part of is one of them. If you are in one of the risk groups, do stay home. Let us go back to living. And no, I am not irresponsible by saying this. If there are no people like me, soon everybody like you will be out of means to lead even a minimally comfortable life.

Let's say I would agree with you on isolating high risk group and let them stay home so the others can work, however:

But I know, you will say that saving lives is more important than saving the economy. 

Saving economy? Are you serious now? What economy?

I'm not sure BUBU if you can see what's going on around the World but the whole planet is shutdown. They are slowly coming back to live but there is no way of saving economy.

Maybe you meant Japanese economy? That is nonsense too. Japan never recovered from the bubble in 1989. I'm not sure if you aware that Japanese Government Gross Debt to GDP is 240% and is one of the highest, it's actually number one in the World for many years now. That's why everyone say about "Three lost decades" in Japan.

Bank of Japan is printing money and buying its own debt, being debt of companies, giving money to people, giving money for cancellation, giving money to rebuild Kyushu so they can recover from floods, while most of the factories cut on production.

This economy is long time gone. Not only in Japan but for each and every country, so don't hide behind the "saving economy".

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But as you said what is good for doctors is good enough for you so I hope you don't meet a doctor who travels.

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Well there's your answer Ashley, if I understood you correctly. You don't want to wear masks they don't want to stay home.

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superIMO2020:

It's amazing that no opposition parties, no newspapers have been bashing the stupid Go To campaign. It's a healthy sign of democracy.

You'd better check facts before talking nonsense.

Political parties such as CPJ and CDP, for example, oppose Go To campaign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l_C4XLXNl8

https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXMZO61827640S0A720C2PP8000/

Major news papers such as Nikkei, shows that 80% of Japanese people are against the campaign and critical of the campaign saying that it will not help economy much.

https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXMZO61794470R20C20A7EA2000/

Some business organizations openly oppose campaign.

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/0ce5ff212e701037bc18efc3a35e59a292dee7f5

Some local governments, such as Okayama Prefecture, redefines the campaign for their own goals, discouraging trans-prefecture traveling and encouraging intra-prefecture traveling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCFW4_y7hhI

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I do not understand why people do not stay home during this pandemic my British friend took her 2 small children along with her husband on a trip. She asked me earlier if I wanted to take a trip this summer, of course, I want to take off but not right now I will suck it up for the safety of my son and myself and others in and around me. Japanese friends like this British friend are also, traveling. Why????

The government just encouraged and promoted this virus to grow leaps and bounds and I put this all on Abe's and his cronies heads for this idiotic campaign. In addition, all the governors including Koike who should have stepped up and railed against this campaign and promoted to use the money for more testing and assisting people to stay home and so we can get our normal lives back.

Myself, my son and myself are not wearing face shields and paper masks what is good for doctors is good enough for us and making all my students who come to my home to do the same. The max in one class is 3 students and I have only one of those and the rest are only 1 to 2 students per class and this ensures my safety and theirs'. If we all did this we would be so much safer.

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Still hope they will let tourists in soon again

Corona is everywhere in the World so who cares if you get ill in Japan or anywhere else ... I'd like to be able to do pretty much whatever I like to do again withouth any restrictions.

People that are especially endangered or just scared could always protect themselves as good as they can like workig from home and doing their shopping online .. I get all my food and drinks sent as I don't want to wear a mask as long as I am not ill .... should definietly be possible for most people at least in the first world countries.

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JaneM2 is on fine form this evening.

I agree completely with all of your points.

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Err maybe that comment isn't intended for me then. Sorry lol

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Its not magic, I said many =)

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How do you magically know what "most foreigners" think?

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graham deshato just jump up and down or get on a trampoline, that will dislodge the kidney stones.

Sad that I see a lot of white people walking around with no masks. Thanks for giving us a bad name.

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Then you still have respiratory droplets flying around.

Many foreigners still don't realize this but the point of wearing masks is to minimize these droplets flying around.

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Larr Flint,

We do have responsibility as members of society. Going to work and contributing to this same society which you are also part of is one of them. If you are in one of the risk groups, do stay home. Let us go back to living. And no, I am not irresponsible by saying this. If there are no people like me, soon everybody like you will be out of means to lead even a minimally comfortable life.

Although, we have one advantage over the other countries. Japan is an island nation so with right approach we can kill the virus, if everyone cooperate we can do it. New Zealand 83 days with no new "known" case of the virus. It would be nice to start the Go To Campaign at that time and everyone could enjoy it.

Have you ever thought if and for how long New Zealand will be able to keep itself “free” from the virus? Since the virus will circulate in the rest of the world, if NZ wants to keep itself “clean” they will have to remain closed at least for an year. I doubt this will be possible without a significant damage to their economy. But I know, you will say that saving lives is more important than saving the economy. Whatever happens after the economy collapses will be somebody else’s problem, right?

I promise you that even now, a lot of people will enjoy the Go To campaign.

No, people on the train don't touch you, but you have to hold on to something right? Or when you sit down you touch the surface, either or BUBU the chance of virus being on the surface is high, especially with that volume of people commuting everyday. Beside, let's say you even managed to avoid sitting, holding bars etc., let's forget about all that. Then you still have respiratory droplets flying around.

How strange is then the fact that I have been going to work every day and haven’t had even a cold since February?

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Here we go, as said before, Tokyo should close down for 2 weeks, the government must come up with a plan in that time frame or Japan INC will be closed for 2 years.

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It's amazing that no opposition parties, no newspapers have been bashing the stupid Go To campaign. It's a healthy sign of democracy.

Because it is an oligarchy. The same families ruled Japan for hundreds of years. Everything is just for show, and the media is pretty much state-owned and deeply intertwined with the ruling families. The education system simply don't support a democracy.

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I have no idea, how these 336 people in Tokyo behaved during their daily life, but my opinion is, as long as you follow the upper explained basic personal prevention rule, the possibility that you can get infected is probably Zero

I think I’ll take it under advisement, sport.

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Oh, I do. But no, people on the train don’t touch me and my personal belongings, including my suica and phone.

No, people on the train don't touch you, but you have to hold on to something right? Or when you sit down you touch the surface, either or BUBU the chance of virus being on the surface is high, especially with that volume of people commuting everyday. Beside, let's say you even managed to avoid sitting, holding bars etc., let's forget about all that. Then you still have respiratory droplets flying around.

Obviously even total lockdowns were not enough to kill the virus. The lockdowns were never meant or expected to eradicate it. They were imposed to “flatten the curve”, albeit to slow the rate of infection. Face the truth that the virus will be around at least for some time and start living again.

I agree with you on this matter, this was imposed to flatten the curve. Although, we have one advantage over the other countries. Japan is an island nation so with right approach we can kill the virus, if everyone cooperate we can do it. New Zealand 83 days with no new "known" case of the virus. It would be nice to start the Go To Campaign at that time and everyone could enjoy it.

Today I went to the hospital as my 95yo Obachyan broke leg and needed urgent surgery. No one, even family is allowed inside her room for 2 months. If I want to give her something, I need to give it to a nurse.

@kurisupisu Well, I remember that not so long time ago you complained you have no money to pay the rent and that the second wave is coming. However you still have money to travel and infect people, good job. I hope you will rethink your behaviour.

I’m working and saving because round 2 will be here soon and it will be ‘stay home!’ and no way to pay rent again!

June 26  08:11 am JSTPosted in: Japan to create guidelines to improve conditions for freelancers  See in context

Still waiting for 100K after 3 months!

Next week,I won’t have the cash to get to work at all-pay day on the 10th,but I will cancel some jobs next week to buy food instead of going to work...

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It's amazing that no opposition parties, no newspapers have been bashing the stupid Go To campaign. It's a healthy sign of democracy.

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Very sensible posts @JaneM2.

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Is the place to comme and argue and prove nothing

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It's going to be a long and drawn out ... people can (as far as it is currently known) have the virus in their system for up to a month, before symptoms start to show and through-out all that time, they're busily unknowingly passing on the virus.

It's also mutating... which is troubling too.

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I said positive rates will be 7% this week, and yesterday it was already at 6.7%

https://stopcovid19.metro.tokyo.lg.jp/

Either way, with this 4 day weekend, the testing will go down, so the reported cases will go down as well.

So I can see the government declare complete and total victory over the coronavirus after this 4 day break citing the lower reported numbers. The government is just trying to look for an excuse to push forward the next phase of Go To Campaign, and I'm certain they will take advantage of the 4 day weekend numbers to do so.

There is a high probability of further reopening announcements (including canceling the delay of loosening event attendance numbers restrictions) and Go To Campaign phase 2 announcements next week after this 4 day weekend.

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Can we talk about a second wave now or it is too early ? Graph of daily cases looks like a second wave to be.

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smithinjapan:

Maybe if they did something like... say... decide not to spend BILLIONS of dollars on fighter jets Japan doesn't need, they could afford to help the nation through this crisis and manage it effectively, but nope.

Hardly anybody is dying of Covid-19 in Japan. On the other hand, Japan ceases to exist without defense.

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Ah_so

@smartacus - Surprised that you have forgotten the very effective lockdowns in Italy and Spain. Spain went from a thousand daily deaths to none now. Italy was pretty much the same. These were pretty hardcore lockdowns. And there was the lockdown in Wuhan. You can use that as your definition of lockdown.

I don’t know about Wuhan and how true the information coming from China is but Italy and Span having no new Covid deaths is NOT true. Italy has 15 and Spain 2 new deaths according to WHO. Providing false information to support your argument won’t convince a lot of people that the lockdowns are necessary. Feel free to see for yourself.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200722-covid-19-sitrep-184.pdf?sfvrsn=7680210a_2

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Wear mask, wash hands, use sanitizer and keep social distance as much as possible.

Wear Mask is prevention Number One.

I would like to know whether the medical personels who get infected are not doing what you are preaching ?

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Larr Flint

Exactly BUBU, personal hygiene. I bet every time you go to work you don't touch your face or doors, bars at the metro station, right? When you are in packed train you touch each other, then when exiting the station you take out your suica, pasmo or whatever it is, I bet you don't sterilize your commuter pass every time after you use it. How about playing with your phone? reading a book? Think about it, personal hygiene is important and can slow down the virus but won't eliminate it. 

Oh, I do. But no, people on the train don’t touch me and my personal belongings, including my suica and phone.

Sorry to disappoint you but lockdowns will not eliminate the virus either.

You are really keen on being locked in. Wow.

Yes, it's better to kill it now and suffer lockdown for 3-4 week, be free then have this going on for next year or two. It's already been 7 months if you didn't realize.

Obviously even total lockdowns were not enough to kill the virus. The lockdowns were never meant or expected to eradicate it. They were imposed to “flatten the curve”, albeit to slow the rate of infection. Face the truth that the virus will be around at least for some time and start living again.

For everyone who thinks that being hygienic and wearing a mask is enough. The numbers everywhere are going up so it means that the problem is rising. 

I know you are all young and want to live your life with freedom etc., but don't forget that Japanese society is OLD and this might cause even bigger disaster.

This “old” society is in an incredibly good shape, especially when you compare it with the populations of other countries (think about the USA, Russia, Brazil or any other country where obesity is the reason of a number of chronic diseases such as diabetes, cardiovascular diseases, etc.).

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I recently needed emergent care (Kidney stones) and had to call about 4 different hospitals before I found one that would let me come in because they were not taking new patients due to Corona. REALLY painful, but not life-threatening. It made me wonder “What if it were critical? Would I be able to get treated?”

It’s not just the infected and the sick but also people needing but unable to get treatment or too scared to seek treatment that is making this a public health issue.

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I also noticed that in the early days that JR stations were providing alcohol at the barriers-no more!

Have you noticed that convenience stores don't provide alcohol despite people of all walks of life using them.

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Getting scary out there. Stay safe and stay home.

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Hospitals are not being overrun

Quite the opposite. Many smaller clinics and private hospitals are on the brink of collapse, because people are too scared of getting infected there. The only way to solve this issue is to face the reality of the problem face on. Admit there is a bigger issue than is being reported, and focus all efforts on solving it. Empty hospitals is not normal.

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What’s scary within the latest observed increase, is that this was not the result of targeted testing of the high-risk group (read Golden Gai) as in the past.

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TomToday 06:55 pm JST

Number of in-patients in Tokyo have increased by 40 % between July 13. and 21. Number of seriously ill is still low but has increased by 100% in the same period.

http://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/13571750

The medical system could collapse in less than a month at this rate if nothing is done and people continue careless behavior.

I suspect the situation has never been in control in Japan but rather masked by extremely low levels of testing and fuelled by a hasty and uncoordinated re-opening.

Have you actually read the article the link you have provided;

Yamaguchi pointed out the number of hospitalized COVID-19 inpatients was 949 on July 21, more than 1.4 times the **651 on July 13. The number of seriously ill patients more than doubled to 14 over the same period.**

959 hospitalized with 14 seriously ill patients!?

This so called pandemic has been going on for the past 5-6months and this is something to be worried about?

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The healthcare system was already fragile, so they cut the bonuses for medical staff this summer and pour money in a holiday campaign destined at propelling local tourism which is not being scrapped and they need to payback cancellation fees to angry tourists, while some billions of yen’s were invested in useless masks, all meanwhile testing increases, cases increases and the medical system is already being stretched. What’s wrong with the situation summary I wrote above, I wonder.

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Number of in-patients in Tokyo have increased by 40 % between July 13. and 21. Number of seriously ill is still low but has increased by 100% in the same period.

http://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/13571750

The medical system could collapse in less than a month at this rate if nothing is done and people continue careless behavior.

I suspect the situation has never been in control in Japan but rather masked by extremely low levels of testing and fuelled by a hasty and uncoordinated re-opening.

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I was absolutely correct and you were wrong - deaths have increased sharply in the US and the trend is now up. Like in thread above regarding the US, you are not connecting a current surge in cases with a future surge in death rates.

I never said that there was no surge, I said that a single point meant nothing, and I'm not wrong by saying that, I also said, that even if there was a surge, it is clearly not following the same type of increase that we are seeing in the number of infection.

Calling this a "sharp increase" is just fear mongering, the increase is way less sharp than the first wave, and it is not following at all the really sharp increase in confirmed infections.

you continue to downplay the virus and ignore the emerging evidence.

This is the thing with people like yourself. Anything that isn't panic inducing commentary, or that criticizes panic is somehow "downplay". It is basically imposible to have a good discussion about this when every time someone isn't calling for drastic measures is somehow "downplaying".

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Koike's putting her serious face on.

She needs two masks. One for each face. Same for that useless person called PM. Can't remember his name because I haven't seen him for such a long time. Hiding in the bunker too?

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The only good thing we have Shinzō Abe in charge, as an experienced politician he knows what he is doing. 

Lol...thats a good one :)

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Tom Doley: "Seems like increased testing is leading to increased cases."

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant it leads to an increase in confirmation of existing infection, not that testing actually increases cases.

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Monty ‘I know, foreigners don’t like to wear a mask’

It’s really insulting. Avoid generalizations. ‘We’ foreigners are not one. Be better.

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I’m just as concerned as everybody else about the spike in infections but I really wish people would stop calling for a lockdown. For one thing, how do you define lockdown? A city with a population of Tokyo cannot be locked down. Tens of thousands of people from neighboring prefectures need to come to Tokyo daily for work, medical or other reasons.

Have lockdowns really worked in other countries besides New Zealand where the population is little more than that of Yokohama. Australia tried it successfully at first but as we are seeing now in Melbourne and Sydney, has not proved effective. It hasn't worked in any big U.S. city, has it?

@smartacus - Surprised that you have forgotten the very effective lockdowns in Italy and Spain. Spain went from a thousand daily deaths to none now. Italy was pretty much the same. These were pretty hardcore lockdowns. And there was the lockdown in Wuhan. You can use that as your definition of lockdown.

Despite these large countries effectively stopping the spread of the virus through lockdowns, you can only remember New Zealand.

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Positive population is increasing however toxic level is weakening it appears. This might mean many are acquiring immunity.

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Deaths and numbers of people in serious condition are still lower than at the start of the outbreak months ago, but these numbers are scary, so let's scream and hide.

@ Luis David Yanez - you continue to downplay the virus and ignore the emerging evidence.

For example, on July 8 you protested that the trend in deaths is down in the USA on a 7-day moving avearge so there was nothing to worry about.

In response I stated:

Seven day moving averages are very poor at identifying a recent change in direction. We are expecting an increase in deaths because of the spike in infections over the past few weeks which are expected to become apparent in death rates. If in a week's time the evidence does not reflect this, I will admit to being wrong - and I hope vice versa.

https://japantoday.com/category/poll/Some-people-argue-that-mandating-anyone-to-wear-face-masks-during-the-pandemic-is-a-violation-of-human-rights.-Do-you-agree-#comment-2203020

I was absolutely correct and you were wrong - deaths have increased sharply in the US and the trend is now up. Like in thread above regarding the US, you are not connecting a current surge in cases with a future surge in death rates.

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Sorry for so many posts but last thing I forgot about to mention.

For everyone who thinks that being hygienic and wearing a mask is enough. The numbers everywhere are going up so it means that the problem is rising.

I know you are all young and want to live your life with freedom etc., but don't forget that Japanese society is OLD and this might cause even bigger disaster.

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But don't worry. We're on holiday for 4 days now, so testing and confirmed cases will drop until Wednesday next week. Before unexpectedly 'surging' again.

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so predictable. Always try to soften the news before delivering it.

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When I read the article this morning urging people from Tokyo to stay home over the holiday I thought to myself, I bet we see the number break the 300 mark today. And here it is. The government news releases are

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 So, they cannot have a lock-down. If they impost a lock-down, they have to pay out

Mr. Smith we all know they have money, if they can afford for Go To Campaign and to pay the cancellation fees, as well as other rockets and spaceships then definitely they have money to pay for another 3-4 weeks.

If you feel unsafe, feel free To stay locked down. Let the other people live their lives.

Jane San, yes I feel unsafe but if other people are careless everyone is in danger. Stop with this nonsense of let me live my life and do whatever I want. We are one big community here and there is nothing like living your own life. You still have responsibilities for other people as well.

it is not the masks. It is personal hygiene, NOT touching your eyes, mouth, and nose before you wash your hands, etc.

Exactly BUBU, personal hygiene. I bet every time you go to work you don't touch your face or doors, bars at the metro station, right? When you are in packed train you touch each other, then when exiting the station you take out your suica, pasmo or whatever it is, I bet you don't sterilize your commuter pass every time after you use it. How about playing with your phone? reading a book? Think about it, personal hygiene is important and can slow down the virus but won't eliminate it.

You are really keen on being locked in. Wow.

Yes, it's better to kill it now and suffer lockdown for 3-4 week, be free then have this going on for next year or two. It's already been 7 months if you didn't realize.

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How many have recovered fully?

Almost everyone

How many have died?

Nobody is dying.

How many were recovered the first time and then got it again?

Hmmm.. in Japan I think only 1 case the tour bus woman from Nara. Recovered twice ? False positive the first time ? Nobody knows.

Does anyone have this information and are the numbers only in Tokyo rising?

Probably . Tokyo is majority

-10 ( +8 / -18 )

'Have Abe and Aso disappeared?'

It is really like Koike has become the de facto prime minister of this country!

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Have Abe and Aso completely disappeared?

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I don’t believe in a lockdown even slightly. For the people screaming for it, feel free to lock yourself up, but you certainly aren’t locking me away.

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And even so, you want to open the borders and let anyone in?

Let anyone in and bring more and more cases to Japan from overseas?

Puh….

But don’t panic:

1. Please follow your best personal prevention.

Wear mask, wash hands, use sanitizer and keep social distance as much as possible.

Wear Mask is prevention Number One.

Even in foreign countries now, the governments start to force the people to wear mask. They even have to pay a punishment if they don’t wear a mask.

I know, foreigners don’t like to wear a mask. I see that hundreds of times in Tokyo that foreigners do not wear a mask. I understand, it is uncomfortable and very hot in Tokyo.

But believe it, Mask is the Number One prevention.

2. Don’t wait for the government to do something for you.

You are responsible for your life, not the government. So do your personal prevention by YOURSELF! Don’t wait for action from the government, and if there is nothing start to complain.

Here comes an important point:

The Japanese government can not force the citizen to do this or that. In Japan there is no law-background for that.

Everything here is volunteer.

So let us all be good volunteers and let us all do our personal possible best prevention!

 

I have no idea, how these 336 people in Tokyo behaved during their daily life, but my opinion is, as long as you follow the upper explained basic personal prevention rule, the possibility that you can get infected is probably Zero.

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How many have recovered fully?

How many have died?

How many were recovered the first time and then got it again?

Does anyone have this information and are the numbers only in Tokyo rising?

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There are WHO guidelines how to determine corona deaths. For example if you have a car accident and you die within 2 days and you test positive for the virus you don't count, but if you die after 3 days or later you do count.

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I’m just as concerned as everybody else about the spike in infections but I really wish people would stop calling for a lockdown. For one thing, how do you define lockdown? A city with a population of Tokyo cannot be locked down. Tens of thousands of people from neighboring prefectures need to come to Tokyo daily for work, medical or other reasons.

Have lockdowns really worked in other countries besides New Zealand where the population is little more than that of Yokohama. Australia tried it successfully at first but as we are seeing now in Melbourne and Sydney, has not proved effective. It hasn't worked in any big U.S. city, has it?

Also, most of the workforce in the Tokyo area cannot telework. I could name at least 30 industries or professions where teleworking is impossible and people would still have to use trains.

I’d like to ask those calling for a lockdown if their incomes would be affected. Because mine would. I have to be at the office, though fortunately I can ride a bike or even walk if I have to.

Finally, I do wish these stories would include how many had to be hospitalized because that is of more concern to me.

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I have a theory if you die but were not tested before it does not count, but if you were tested and die it can be counted. A Bueuracrat thing is my guess. Thus the lack of testing.

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Larr Flint: The only good thing we have Shinzō Abe in charge, as an experienced politician he knows what he is doing. 

What have you been smoking? If you had been following how this situation developed you would recognize his last-ditch efforts to save the Olympics are what led us here.

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Larr FlintToday  04:08 pm JST

Impose the lockdown right away! 

If you feel unsafe, feel free To stay locked down. Let the other people live their lives.

Of course people who comment here say that wearing a mask will keep the infection rate down. You guys use public transportation, use your phone, touch your face how you want to fight against virus just by wearing mask. This kind of measures won't stop the virus think logically.  

it is not the masks. It is personal hygiene, NOT touching your eyes, mouth, and nose before you wash your hands, etc.

Lockdown for at least 3 weeks, create a new law that will prohibit going outside, and in case of natural disaster the regulation will be abolish, simple.  

You are really keen on being locked in. Wow.

The only good thing we have Shinzō Abe in charge, as an experienced politician he knows what he is doing. 

???

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Is anyone here, apart from the apologists, surprised?

Seems like increased testing is leading to increased cases.

Just proves that all the propaganda by Jgov is fake, you know the 'Japan model' or world class etiquette, culture, virus beating cuisine, and non-spitting language.

It's too late to contain it in Japan. 70% of transmissions cannot be traced. Stay safe everyone.

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It's herd immunity. This is a good thing. Hospitals are not being overrun. There is no need to lockdown. Those who feel the need to self-isolate may do so. The rest of us ned to get back to living. The show must go on.

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They can't impose any form of lock-down or compel people to do anything. They would need to change the Constitution for this to occur.

If they want they will change the constitution. I'm more than sure that opposition party would allow that to happen because it's urgent and dangerous matter. Don't be fooled with that kind of articles, the only reason they didn't do that yet is someone would have to TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY which obviously no one wants to.

Good lockdown would give us possibility to fix everything up, but it needs to be a serious one. No one in or out, no matter what, no exception even for businessman for 72 hours. No for Go To Trouble Campaign, Go to Eat Campaign, special exemptions from China, Vietnam or any other place in the world.

If we would do that then we might be fine, otherwise we will continue with this show and most likely people wont care anymore at all.

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Maybe if they did something like... say... decide not to spend BILLIONS of dollars on fighter jets Japan doesn't need, they could afford to help the nation through this crisis and manage it effectively, but nope.

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Larr Flynt: "Impose the lockdown right away!"

Here's the problem: While it is worse now than when they imposed the last lip-service lock-down, with Japan's extreme mis-management of tax money (see the Go To campaign and Abenomasks for just a small sampling) there is absolutely no money they have left to give for assistance. So, they cannot have a lock-down. If they impost a lock-down, they have to pay out. If they just starve you out and force you to close yourself, it is "not their fault" and they don't have to pay. That is what they are banking on -- asking people not to go out, but still hoping they spend from home. Asking bars and restaurants to close, but not offering assistance (except in ridiculous cases paying hostess bars 500,000 to close), and saying they are not eligible for any if they do. And there is no way they would ever lock down besides because that would mean not donning your suit and tie at 6:00 a.m. until 11:00 p.m. to work yourself to death at a company office with its fax machines and phones that can only be operated there, and schools could not provide free babysitting.

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Cases have not been rising nationwide.

Prefectures such as Shimane with low populations have had around 25 cases and little if any change-the major urban centers are the problem.

Tokyo and Osaka have millions and even though the majority do their best to follow the steps, it is the few that do not and those are the ones spreading the infection.

I also noticed that in the early days that JR stations were providing alcohol at the barriers-no more!

Instead of wasted travel vouchers the government should be subsidizing alcohol production....

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Still a lot less than Europe and the US.

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After observing Japanese for over 50 years I long ago came to the conclusion that Japanese are not the scream and hide types. Earthquakes and other disasters have not caused them to panic. I do not think this will cause it either.

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Larr FlintToday  04:08 pm JST

Impose the lockdown right away!

They can't impose any form of lock-down or compel people to do anything. They would need to change the Constitution for this to occur.

This is why Corona is going to be an absolute disaster in Japan. They have no effective way of fighting this apart from asking people to do things. Even the demands to the nightclubs to close were only an Official Request.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/Interview/Tokyo-governor-says-lockdown-in-Japan-is-impossible

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If there were large numbers of deaths then perhaps we could be more worried. It's clear looking at the stats that the virus is still contagious, but weakening in its intensity.

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It is a sobering situation. I hope everyone will be safe and well.

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Deaths?

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Deaths and numbers of people in serious condition are still lower than at the start of the outbreak months ago, but these numbers are scary, so let's scream and hide.

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PCR tests have at least 6-9% of false positives, meaning you just need to test 6000 people to get these figures.

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Yesterday in Ginza I witnessed a packed restaurant of salary men elbow to elbow eating and drinking like Corona meant beer. WTF?

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Perfect timing for a four day weekend with the Go To campaign. It needs to be, Go To the hospital and get tested.

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Anyone want to make bets?

I think once all the schools are officially closed for summer break (August 1), we'll see a small "surge" and they'll lock down the city.

Feels about right, doesn't it...

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Koike's putting her serious face on.

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Impose the lockdown right away! There is no more time for this nonsense to continue. People don't care, go out partying, having dinner, travel while government instead of trying to contain the virus is starting Go To Campaign.  

Of course people who comment here say that wearing a mask will keep the infection rate down. You guys use public transportation, use your phone, touch your face how you want to fight against virus just by wearing mask. This kind of measures won't stop the virus think logically.  

Lockdown for at least 3 weeks, create a new law that will prohibit going outside, and in case of natural disaster the regulation will be abolish, simple.  

Plus start testing, not 20 000 daily but 500 000 so we can see the scale of the problem. 

The only good thing we have Shinzō Abe in charge, as an experienced politician he knows what he is doing. 

Stay safe.

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And these are just confirmed cases -- not the ones that take days to confirm, and not the likely thousands who cannot get tested. But hey, it's safe to go to work crowded trains (not bars or restaurants), and schools, and definitely unthinkable to cancel the Olympics.

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