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Air Force grounds F-15s on Okinawa for inspections

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This was expected, nothing major. But what pray tell does Nakaima know about F-15's and safety checks? Did he suddenly become an expert?

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Is this a fly on drill? Japanese helicopter is a professional rescuer over the region.China Gov't still claim acquisition over the island dispute.Case approaching.

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Better to be safe than sorry, though I'd say no other mishaps since 2006 is a relatively decent indication it was a limited incident, and a rare one at that.

"Okinawa Gov Hirokazu Nakaima said he was concerned by the F-15 incident and suggested a one-day stand down would not be sufficient."

Nakaima doesn't care about a single thing outside of scoring points by bashing those who would otherwise passively make Okinawa into China.

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Air Force grounds F-15s on Okinawa for inspections

This is a responsible action.

I hope the pilots and ground crew are getting inspected also.

Now, if the US military wants to be really responsible, it will move its bases OUT OF JAPAN.

In particular, OUT OF OKINAWA.

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I agree with Yubaru for once , this is just a precautionary measure . There is probably no real need to stop these ongoing flights. Unfortunately this just gives the mayor more fuel for his anti base sentiments. I actually wonder if this mayor had the roll been reversed and the majority of the public will still hold his current stance or is he merely just securing his position as mayor and riding the anti American wave

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"THE MILITARY" has no say in where they are stationed. This is determined by governments of said countries under a treaty called the "Status of Forces Agreement". Glad the pilot is okay and am glad no injuries or damage to property here on Okinawa.

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Bertie: "Now, if the US military wants to be really responsible, it will move its bases OUT OF JAPAN. In particular, OUT OF OKINAWA."

Could you repeat that for me in Mandarin? You're going to have to if your wishes come true. Mind you, at that point in time it'll be the typical Okinawan 180 talking about how the US is obliged to help Japan (not just Okinawa, when those 180s roll around).

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Boeing manufactures F 15. What kind of expert team will be conducting safety issue in one day? /

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Boeing manufactures F 15. What kind of expert team will be conducting safety issue in one day? /

Air Force experts. Some of them work for Boeing and live in Japan.

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Boeing in Japan does not have experts for this kind of inspection. May e call from State of Washington or California>

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smithinjapan,

Are you seriously suggesting that without the strong arm of the mighty US of A protecting it, Okinawa would be taken by China?

This whole thing started because some right wing nut in China suggested that Okinawa is part of China. Japan has similar right wing nutcases, so does the U.S.A.

Think what China would lose if they attacked and seized Okinawa.

China is a trading nation primarily.

They would lose so many customers, economically they would be finished.

There is nothing to protect. China is not a threat nor is (giggle) North Korea.

The US is here because it's paid handsomely for being here and it has free training facilities in Okinawa.

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I think temporary grounding those planes is a normal practice after a crash. The Air Force did the same thing when that F-16 crashed up near Hokkaido last July.

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BertieWoosterMay. 29, 2013 - 09:17PM JST smithinjapan, Are you seriously suggesting that without the strong arm of the mighty US of A protecting it, Okinawa would be taken >by China?

Yes he is and I believe he is correct.

This whole thing started because some right wing nut in China suggested that Okinawa is part of China. Japan has >similar right wing nutcases, so does the U.S.A.

No it didn't. This "whole thing" started as far back as 2003 when PLA admirals started talking about the need to break the first island chain and push the USN out of the western pacific.

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I don't understand way this is a big deal, just good practice till they know what went wrong...

@Bertriwooser China only stands to gain Japans #1 trading pardner USA

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You know reading Bertie's posts here is like watching an old rerun of Barney the dinosaur. Comedy for kids who don't know any better.

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All readers back on topic please.

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@SmithinJapan Do you want to read in Mandalin or Beijing? Why do you want same comment in another language? Bertie wrote his/her opinion like all of us comment writers do, This inspection is great except it will take more than 1 day to do thorough inspections. Its Dreamliner inspections had so many days when it found the failure of electronic battery. Digital equipments, mechanical, gadgets, and other areas. It has to salvage the plane under the sea, first. My point is that it is going to take more than one day to complete this kind of study.

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He said Okinawa would demand all F-15 flights be halted until the cause of the crash is determined and appropriate preventative measure have been taken to avoid any more accidents.

A reasonable request for a private airline but not for the military. The military must be in a constant state of readiness. It could take weeks or months to determine the cause of the crash, especially since the plane can't be recovered.

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Boeing in Japan does not have experts for this kind of inspection. May e call from State of Washington or California>

The US Air Force has plenty of experts capable of doing this inspection.

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US news report - no big deal, but confirmed Japan rescued pilot... Thanks

The U.S. Air Force grounded its F-15 fighters on the southern Japan island of Okinawa for a safety review Wednesday following a crash that forced a pilot to eject over the Pacific Ocean. All F-15s attached to the 18th Wing on Okinawa's Kadena Air Base are to undergo inspections during the one-day stand down to ensure that they are safe to fly, the military announced. An F-15 developed problems during training on Tuesday that forced the pilot to eject. The plane was lost in the ocean but the pilot was rescued by a Japanese military helicopter.

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@LAcajun: thank you for writing. Experts or not, the plane has to be found and brought back to land. Boeing is not a shaddy company. it will send its own experts to inspect the plane unless it is determined that it is a human error, This praqctice is even when it waas MacDonald Dounglas time. It has experts in Alabama, Arizona, California, Kansas, Missouri, Penn., Wash.

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There is no need to salvage the plane and it is probably impossible to do that even if they wanted to. The F15 is not some brand new machine with a busted battery like the 787. It's been flying for more than three decades, they are not going to find some critical flaw in its design.

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Bertie: "This whole thing started because some right wing nut in China suggested that Okinawa is part of China. Japan has similar right wing nutcases, so does the U.S.A."

Ummm.. yeah, if by 'right wing nut' you mean Ishihara's desire to buy the islands in April of last year. That's when all this REALLY got started. And no, Japan could not at all handle China if the US did not protect it, so you need the bases and the troops more than ever. Thank your politicians. Which party does Nakaima belong to, by the way? For all the whining about the central government's treatments of Okinawans when it suits them they still fail to admit Nakaima belongs to the same suit they complain about.

toshiko: "@SmithinJapan Do you want to read in Mandalin or Beijing? Why do you want same comment in another language? Bertie wrote his/her opinion like all of us comment writers do, This inspection is great except it will take more than 1 day to do thorough inspections."

I'm just going to chalk your comment up to a general inability to catch English sarcasm, then I'm going to spell it out for you. Suggesting Bertie make her comment again in Mandarin points out the fact that if the US were not here to protect Japan Okinawa would be Chinese territory -- thus she would have to speak Mandarin. If he genuinely wants the US military out she had better start learning. I am 100% for halting the aircraft for inspections, and in fact if you check my first comment, you'll see that. What I'm NOT for are idiots like Nakaima and his few followers who blame ALL of their problems on the US military saying it's time for them to get out because of an accident that harmed no one and has no relevance to the US bases while the US bases are saving them.

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Okinawa Gov Hirokazu Nakaima said he was concerned by the F-15 incident and suggested a one-day stand down would not be sufficient.

As spoken by the true aeronautical genius that he's not.

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@SmithinJpan: If Chinese occupy Okinawa, not Mandalin but Beijing if you want to make your comment sarcastic. USA is not there to protect Japan from China which is the biggest creditor against USA. Since this is English board that I will not answer your claim of sarcasm in either Mandarin or Beijing, beside other east Coast Chinese dialect.

. Boeing will send its team of expert to investigate F 15 problems. I don;t believe Air Force has a team of PhDs, MS in Elect. Engrg, Mech, Engrg, and/or members of design team to investigate this problem. It will take more days.than one day whild pilots are scared now.

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smithinjapan,

You seem to be under some confusion as to which party Nakaima belongs.

Google it, if you don't know.

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I don;t believe Air Force has a team of PhDs, MS in Elect. Engrg, Mech, Engrg, and/or members of design team to investigate this problem. It will take more days.than one day whild pilots are scared now.

First - They do have those people. They also have hundreds of expert contractors from the major manufacturers, including Boeing. They even have permanent technical experts who live in Okinawa.

Second - They don't need them anyway. The F15 does not have any fundamental design errors. All that is needed is a through mechanical check of the grounded aircraft to make sure the rest of the fleet is in proper flying condition.

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Bertie: "You seem to be under some confusion as to which party Nakaima belongs."

In any case, you seem to be under some confusion to which Japan belongs, or better said, under whose protection. Instead of spitting on the troops simply because a few Okinawans are upset, try thanking them for a change for saving you from China. We all know, you would beg, if the US left and China made real on their current claims to Okinawa.

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Nakaima is LDP, just like Abe.

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F-15 is Boeing products, Many secret invention included. It will send its employees. Others are staying away. Air Force need Boeing team now. It has to inspect this plane, not by others, If contacted parts has defect, then it will make these parts makers to improve but not until the team find/ Pilots are waiting results. US Air Force is not secretive.

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BTW, Japan already have spent $2 billion for bases in Japan for last year

How much of this $2 billion was used to pay Master Labor Contract, i.e., Japanese, employees who work for the American military?

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@Kashiwa: Just very small portion. There are more GIs in each base than Japanese employees in each base,

Also, maintenance costs, vehicle costs, hospital costs, and other Base expenses etc, that were paid beside left over money Pentagon appreciated to Japan.

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Air Force grounds F-15s on Okinawa for inspections

This is a responsible action.

I hope the pilots and ground crew are getting inspected also.

Now, if the US military wants to be really responsible, it will move its bases OUT OF JAPAN.

In particular, OUT OF OKINAWA.

Oh Bertie, if you jumped off your anti-base soap box for once you'd realize that the standards US military aircraft are held to are some of the highest around. Very strict maintenance standards and when things like this happen, they ground entire squadrons or air frames to inspect them.

Now please, I think you've beat the anit-base horse to beyond death, it's just dust now.

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The pilot can supply more info. I am very sure the plane will be salvaged.

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@Bertie:

You seem to be under some confusion as to which party Nakaima belongs.

You seem to not know yourself. Nakaima should quit the LDP, but he has a history of flip-flopping on issues to save his political career and will continue to do so. That;s no surprise really, he's gotta feed his family too.

@Darknuts....This is exactly what Nakaima and the other politicians are ignorantly hoping for.

It could take weeks or months to determine the cause of the crash, especially since the plane can't be recovered.

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Air Force grounds F-15s on Okinawa for inspections

This is a responsible action.

I hope the pilots and ground crew are getting inspected also.

Now, if the US military wants to be really responsible, it will move its bases OUT OF JAPAN.

Will never happen, so just relax.

In particular, OUT OF OKINAWA.

Like I said, that will never happen.

Pure, senseless anger over something you know so little about. The F-15 is an excellent plane with a pretty good historical record. This is normal procedure to ground the planes pending a thorough investigation and inspection. The most important thing is to ensure the pilots safety and the people on the ground, THAT'S THE REAL RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO.

Bertie, my dear, you always moan and groan about the US did this and that, you worry about the people in Okinawa, but you never worry about the safety of the people that keep your country safe, whether you believe in the politics or not. These men and women DID NOT CHOOSE TO COME HERE, THEY WERE SENT HERE, stationed and are just following orders, you need to vent your anger higher up the food chain instead of throwing insults and sounding like a 5 year old! It's very insulting to me and others that wear the uniform and hear you constantly gripe. Even if you scream, it's all falling on deaf ears. I suggest you go to Washington and plead your case, maybe there you might get the response you are looking for. Also, these brave men and women are humans too. They bleed, feel pain, you talk about them as if they are all trash. Locals or military, they are all humans. Instead of being Anti-.....whatever for the day, so some concern for everyone involved.

Are you seriously suggesting that without the strong arm of the mighty US of A protecting it, Okinawa would be taken by China?

Absolutely, and if you don't think so, then you are really lost.

This whole thing started because some right wing nut in China suggested that Okinawa is part of China. Japan has >similar right wing nutcases, so does the U.S.A.

Really, who in the US? We don't say Okinawa is a part of the US. I might be a nutcase for wanting to get rid of Hawaii, but that's just my HO.

Think what China would lose if they attacked and seized Okinawa.

As if China cares, come on now, remember you are dealing with. The action would be more symbolic on the Chinese part. Seize conquer erect the Chinese communist flag would be a deep seated, deep rooted joy for them if they could get Okinawa along with Taiwan and the other Islands. So NO, they would not lose, but Gain.

China is a trading nation primarily.

For us too, and you see how much regard they often have, so that doesn't mean so much to them in many ways.

They would lose so many customers, economically they would be finished.

China has already made contingency plans for things like this. Heard they have been racking up a sizable portion of stash for a so called rainy day, in the event this kind of thing were to take place.

There is nothing to protect. China is not a threat nor is (giggle) North Korea.

We used to think the same about "Bin Laden" and look what happened.

The US is here because it's paid handsomely for being here and it has free training facilities in Okinawa.

Some of that is true, which is a good thing. A win, win situation. You should be happy.

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Imagine if the plane crashed in Tokyo?

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but you never worry about the safety of the people that keep your country safe, whether you believe in the politics or not.

She is neither Japanese nor American, so the symbolism and intent of your thoughtful comments will be lost in translation.

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Readers, please focus your comments on the story. China is not relevant to this discussion.

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Thomas Anderson,

Imagine if the plane crashed in Tokyo?

There you have hit the nail on the head!

That's one of the reasons why, in their infinite wisdom (sarcasm) the Government of Japan has put most of the US bases in Okinawa, as far from Tokyo as it's possible to get and still be on Japanese soil.

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That's one of the reasons why, in their infinite wisdom (sarcasm) the Government of Japan has put most of the US bases in Okinawa, as far from Tokyo as it's possible to get and still be on Japanese soil.

@Bertie - Military flight paths are designed to avoid densely populated areas, that is why you will never see a story about a fighter jet crashing into downtown Tokyo. Out of the 83 US military installations in Japan, 31 are located in Okinawa. If you are going to continue bashing the US military, please get your facts straight...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_Japan

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That's one of the reasons why, in their infinite wisdom (sarcasm) the Government of Japan has put most of the US bases in Okinawa, as far from Tokyo as it's possible to get and still be on Japanese soil.

You seem to be a bit confused here. There IS an airbase in Tokyo and a few others, Misawa, Iwakuni, Atsugi, and other training facilities in mainland as well.

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How many of those 31 installations have aircraft?

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@Upgrayedd - I have no idea on the Navy side, but I'm pretty sure Kadena AB is the only AF flying base on Okinawa...

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I get a lots of flights over my house coming and going towards yokota airbase.

The Chinook are noisy. :p

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@Bertie - Military flight paths are designed to avoid densely populated areas, that is why you will never see a story about a fighter jet crashing into downtown Tokyo. Out of the 83 US military installations in Japan, 31 are located in Okinawa. If you are going to continue bashing the US military, please get your facts straight...

This is exactly the point that I was trying to convey to Bertie, but for some reason, she just hop scotches over that very, very important point. She is just ranting out of pure emotion, if you are level-headed, it makes perfect sense. She wants the bases out, that's her only emotional reasoning, nothing to back up as to the importance of our troops being stationed there. I want a Ferrari, but that ain't gonna happen either. Once you get emotional, you always lose the argument.

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Military flight paths are designed to avoid densely populated areas, that is why you will never see a story about a fighter jet crashing into downtown Tokyo. Out of the 83 US military installations in Japan, 31 are located in Okinawa. If you are going to continue bashing the US military, please get your facts straight...

This is exactly the point that I was trying to convey to Any individuals that perhaps don't understand but for some reason, skeptics hop scotch over that very, very important point. People shouldn't use emotion to make an argument, if you are level-headed, it makes perfect sense. If you want the bases out, please present facts, hard facts as to why you deeply feel so.

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@Upgrayedd - I have no idea on the Navy side, but I'm pretty sure Kadena AB is the only AF flying base on Okinawa...

You noticed he asked you how many installations have aircraft flying out of them, not just AF. There are not 31 AF installations on Okinawa.

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Yubaru,

You are the one who suggested some fact checking, so let's do some:

Kadena in total covers 11,000 acres.

Yokota, on the other hand, is a mere 34 acres.

If Yokota were the size of Kadena there would be a lot of feeling against it.

Comparing the relative sizes of Kadena/Okinawa and Yokota/Honshu gives a clue as to why there is such antipathy against the US bases in Okinawa. There just isn't space for it. Much of Okinawa is very densely populated.

And so, there is a very real worry that a military plane might crash into a highly populated area with huge casualties. Especially where the plane is piloted by someone in training.

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@bertie

So what's your point? That's NOT a good reason enough for pilots not to fly, if you say that, then where? I'm from California, the flying Capitol of the world, anywhere at any given time there are planes and helicopters etc. , but think about it, there is no where else to go or maybe, you can ask the J-politicians to build a man made island in the middle of the ocean just for the military... Problem is, who's going to pay for it? Would you be willing to shell out your tax money to build one?

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You are the one who suggested some fact checking, so let's do some:

No, I suggest YOU do some fact checking, I already KNOW the statistics. You argument wasn't about size, it was about AIRCRAFT, and Tokyo has a population roughly 40 times larger than Okinawa.

There just isn't space for it. Much of Okinawa is very densely populated.

Your arguments are all over the map. First off Tokyo is by far more densely populated than Okinawa. Next the military aircraft here in Okinawa flying out of Kadena fly for the most part over very sparsely populated areas. Do a little checking and you might actually learn something.

Those jets you hear and see flying over your house in Naha are from the Japanese Air Self Defense forces at Naha Air Base. Don't hear you complaining about them, oh wait, I guess you don't know the difference between them, dont take my word for it, get out there and look.

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Readers, please stop bickering.

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Upgrayedd: "Nakaima is LDP, just like Abe."

Precisely. Which is why it's humorous to watch people like Bertie rail against the government when she voted them in!

As if we need proof:

(Bertie) "That's one of the reasons why, in their infinite wisdom (sarcasm) the Government of Japan has put most of the US bases in Okinawa, as far from Tokyo as it's possible to get and still be on Japanese soil."

Anyway, Bertie is incorrect, in terms of the reason why the bases are where they are, and comparing sizes when moaning about aircrafts is obviously just general hatred.

As I said, and others have pointed out, the F-15 is a relatively safe aircraft, and with the last accident being way back when, and no one being hurt this time at all, I don't see why any fuss whatsoever is being directed towards the US, the troops, or the bases in general. There was NO DANGER, and far less than that of commercial airliners crashing into a populated area, but go ask those companies to stop their flights out of fear and see what they say.

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@smith

Excellent point.

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smithinjapan,

F-15 is a relatively safe aircraft

Relatively safe?

Sounds dodgy to me.

I'd go for safe or not at all.

Especially in a highly populated area like Okinawa.

it's humorous to watch people like Bertie rail against the government when she voted them in!

She?

Who is this "she" of which you speak?

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Enough with this US protect Japan from China story, its the Japanese that invaded China and its the Japanese who bombed Pearl Harbour, so we can defend ourselves.

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Bertie: "Sounds dodgy to me. I'd go for safe or not at all."

Well, then you better just stay shut up in your house and not leave, and even then it's not guaranteed safe because there could be a major quake at any time. How many car accidents or hit children have there been since the last F-15 fighter incident and this one? They are a hell of a lot safer than the traffic outside your front door. You don't want 'somewhat safe', get rid of the SDF -- all of them -- they fly planes and do what the Americans do, you don't seem to complain about them. Get rid of EVERYTHING, for that matter, because danger is everywhere. You just have a hard time seeing it because you have some kind of hate goggles on.

As for the 'she', my apologies if you are male -- I thought you previously stated you were not (that's not a joke, it's true). Maybe confused you with Yuri (who is absent of late). So, change 'she' to 'he' and then reread. Still doesn't change the fact you voted in the central government you rail against by voting in Nakaima.

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Still doesn't change the fact you voted in the central government you rail against by voting in Nakaima.

She, has said she previously, and she has also told us that she is also not Japanese as well. She is a Canuck. Which explains an awful lot about a lot of things.

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@LAcajun: thank you for writing. Experts or not, the plane has to be found and brought back to land. Boeing is not a shaddy company. it will send its own experts to inspect the plane unless it is determined that it is a human error, This praqctice is even when it waas MacDonald Dounglas time. It has experts in Alabama, Arizona, California, Kansas, Missouri, Penn., Wash.

Actually the plane does NOT have to be found because the pilot survived and can tell investigators exactly what caused the plane to fall out of the sky. If YOU want to mortgage your life to fund a deep-water location and salvage operation, knock yourself out.

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F-15 is a relatively safe aircraft

Historically, it's one of the more reliable in the fleet, many pilots, swear by it. I have a few friends that flew it. Never complained.

Relatively safe?

I trust their expertise and knowledge, how many tours in Iraq did you do and where did you fly?

Sounds dodgy to me.

I think anyone sounds dodgy, that just elaborate on things based on emotion and have never been in the trenches or served.

I'd go for safe or not at all.

Then never fly in a plane, train, car, bus and God forbid a Taxi in Japan is you are that serious about being "safe."

Especially in a highly populated area like Okinawa.

Personally, I want all flights over Los Angeles to be banned, but comes with the territory. And L.A. Has over 10 million population. Pilots from all over the world and last plane crash was in Cerritos, CA. It was a midair crash between a Cesna and a DC-9 that was in 1986 and with over 3000 flights aday, I was quite surprised that there weren't more, but that tells you the professionalism and how much the pilots train for safety.

Who is this "she" of which you speak?

I thought I heard the same the same thing, but excuse me

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The F-15's were back up yesterday, and one, according to local news, one returned back to base minutes after take-off, after experiencing some type of unreported as of yet, trouble.

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You noticed he asked you how many installations have aircraft flying out of them, not just AF. There are not 31 AF installations on Okinawa

@Yubaru - And I noted that I have no idea about aircraft at the Navy bases (or Army bases for that matter). I simply stated that the only AF base that I know of that has aircraft is Kadena. And I never said that there were 31 AF installations on Okinawa. According to USFJ, there are 31 US MILITARY installations on Okinawa, as I said in my original post...

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These men and women DID NOT CHOOSE TO COME HERE, THEY WERE SENT HERE, stationed and are just following orders, you need to vent your anger higher up the food chain instead of throwing insults and sounding like a 5 year old! It's very insulting to me and others that wear the uniform and hear you constantly gripe. Even if you scream, it's all falling on deaf ears. I suggest you go to Washington and plead your case, maybe there you might get the response you are looking for. Also, these brave men and women are humans too. They bleed, feel pain, you talk about them as if they are all trash. Locals or military, they are all humans

"Brave men and women", huh? First of all, you are foreign occupants on Japanese soil. Further, you are dirty occupants because your so-called "servicemen" constantly abuse local population. All those cases of rapes, drunk violations of a curfew show a real level of discipline and morale of your "troopers". Look at yourself. And you dare to preach locals that you are "their protectors". Pretty laughable .

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