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Sadly there are going to be people who are blinded to the activities of SS and don't realize their terrorist-like tactics are dangerous and illegal as well.

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A barbaric misleading practice held in the name of science. What ever happened to catch and release ?? People will donate. All it takes is 4,000,000 people at 1$ per to raise that and I think with the global support this group is gaining shouldn't be a issue. It's also only labeled illegal by a few countries and hunting (in the name of science) in Australia's territorial waters with the permission of Australia is illegal which is why Japan now is being taken to court itself.

GO SS !!

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Should say without the permission correction gomen

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

Thanks for the info. I will contribute to Sea Shepherds.

5 ( +23 / -18 )

A barbaric misleading practice held in the name of science. What ever happened to catch and release ??

While I disagree with the Japanese and their whaling practices, I also disagree with how SS terrorizes the fleet, with no concerns for the men who work on those vessels.

To SS the whales are more important than human beings and THAT I disagree with.

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SS will probably raise the cash they need but it should be noted that they have never entered Australian territorial waters on their hunt. SS tactics are certainly dangerous and illegal which is what I also disagree with and can't support. Surprised SS ignores Norway.

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So what you are saying is that humans trump all life and all life has no equal value to our own?? Two sides to every story and I do believe the tactics used by the Japanese Whalers this is was just as dangerous in regards to putting lives (including their own ) at risk.

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"Japan is doing everything it can to put the U.S. operation under, effectively, a complete diversion by legal action,” Brown told reporters."

Brown is as usual talking out of the wrong end. The Japanese actions and SSCS's defense isn't what's draining their funds. It's the ridiculous counter-suits that their lawyers have been filing, all of which are classic definitions of "frivolous" just so SSCS can show they are "fighting". Anyone ho contributes now is a foo and you know what they say about one and his money..

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Surprised SS ignores Norway.

No one ever says it, but ever notice how all SS folks are white, and when it comes to whaling, or other activities that SS has a beef with, those countries are people of color.

-8 ( +8 / -16 )

Another year without work SS members? Great plan for their lifetimes. Almost like government officials riding thier own yachts!

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"Please send some money in an envelope to find pirates? " I think not.

Perhaps the lack of funding is reflective of the lack of support these bad guys do. If they Somalian, they would have been locked up a long time ago.

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While I've never donated to SS I have to say it would be money well spent. They get tangible results every year leaving the jgov with egg on their face.

To those who whine about them being a "terrorist organization", look up the meaning in a dictionary please. Stink bombs and such are not endangering anyone's lives.

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Let's see now. They say they will reduce whale deaths. Last year, thanks to Sea Shepherd, there were way fewer whale deaths compared to what the killers wanted. Makes them successful in my book. No human deaths either. Way to go! Where's my checkbook?

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To those who whine about them being a "terrorist organization", look up the meaning in a dictionary please. Stink bombs and such are not endangering anyone's lives.

Impeding the right of way through means of violence and with the intent to injure or kill is what SS does. That is a fact. If that isn't a terrorist then pray tell what is?

You live in a tiny cubbyhole if you think that all SS does is toss "stink bombs and such".

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Give them hell SS!

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I'll give the SS money to go drown themselves. Takers?

0 ( +11 / -11 )

Give to hell SS!

There fixed it for ya!

-5 ( +8 / -13 )

Damn.....screwed that one up! lol Go to hell SS! Go to hell!

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Where do I sign up to help?

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Sea Shepherd may be well-intentioned, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. So far they've just done more damage than good. They haven't stopped the whaling, and they've irritated the Japanese government so much that a whaling programme that might otherwise have been reduced or eliminated in the wake of Fukushima is now being scaled UP.

Save your pennies and instead donate to the Japanese SPCA or a similar organisation. At least they know how to work the system in Japan instead of rushing around like bulls in a china shop achieving a lot of damage and no positive results.

4 ( +12 / -9 )

Maybe they can find a way to get Tohoku relief money? Or does that just work the other way around? In any case, they'll get the money they're looking for.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Sea Shepard are privately funded, the Japanese Whaling fleet is subsidised by the Japanese Government. Surely the Japanese Publics money would be better spent cleaning up the mess at Fukushima. Where is the logic in eating heavy metal laden whale meat? Just how dumb does the Japanese government think their Voting Public are? ****

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Waddles on Watson

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Too bad the Australian Navy just doesn't seize the ICR ships and put an end to it. Australia has said that Japan is illegally poaching in it's waters after all.

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Impeding the right of way through means of violence and with the intent to injure or kill is what SS does. That is a fact. If that isn't a terrorist then pray tell what is?

Yubaru - The only fact in that passage is that you are way too emotional about SS. You wan't to know what a terrorist is? It's someone who actually kills or maims. Want proof? No Japanese whaler has been killed, maimed, or even been put in physcal danger. Want more proof? They have not been named a "terrorist organization" and are free to come and go as they please.

Put your big boy pants on and ask if an actual victim of terrorism can count a stinky Japanese whaler as his fellow victim.

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Sea Shepherd do a great job, I like it. Unfortunately I am sad to say, but Japan is absolutely wrong about many things nowadays. No reason to savagely assassinate whales and dolphins, no reason at all, no excuse. Stop it NOW.

-5 ( +6 / -11 )

And I am proud to say here, I give money to Sea Shepherd.

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@jojo_in_japanMay. 10, 2013 - 09:05AM JST

Where do I sign up to help?

Do you mean, get on board and participate? I looked into that several years ago. They expected each volunteer to stump up big money to cover their own expenses, so that put me out of the running. (Not a trust fund baby, me).

Glad I was priced out, in the end. I no longer support this organization and agree with the poster above who says your money would be far better spent if you gave it to the JSPCA or even Green Peace.

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Yubaru - The only fact in that passage is that you are way too emotional about SS. You wan't to know what a terrorist is? It's someone who actually kills or maims. Want proof? No Japanese whaler has been killed, maimed,

Well, yes they have been injured. That guy got some acid in his eyes a few years back.

or even been put in physcal danger.

Yeah, right. Idiots throwing bottles of acid at them; the same idiots trying to foul their prop in rough antarctic seas isn't physical danger at all.

Oh, and you saying something, isn't "proof".

Want more proof? They have not been named a "terrorist organization" and are free to come and go as they please.

Yes they have. The FBI labelled them "Eco-Terrorists". And again, you saying something, isn't "proof".

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While I agree with the cause I find it difficult to support the dangerous and illegal methods used by Sea Shepherd. Even without the "terrorist" label the methods are still illegal by anyone's standards. Those that support SS openly acknowledge that fact and try to justify it with their great "cause" and saying the Japanese are sneaky and underhanded by using a legal loophole. Comes down to legal vs illegal no matter how much I support anti-whaleing

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you can donate at there website http://www.seashepherd.org/ going there right now, bring on the pain SS. LOL

Moderator: Sorry, no soliciting on the discussion board.

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Japan's whale research is based on confirming there are ample stocks to start commercial whaling again (RE: JICR), which will be their undoing in the international court later this year. At present conservationists estimate there are 260,000 Minke whales in the southern hemisphere, but there is no data available on their numbers before whaling commenced 2-300 years ago. This means, there is no control data to confirm Japan's findings, which also means their research data is not admissible without a comparison. At present, most whale species populations are still only between 10-25% of what they were before commercial whaling. The only whale that has made a solid recovery is the California Grey whale. Its population is nearly back to what is was in the pre-whaling years. SS has stopped Japan from killing nearly 10,000 whales in its ten year campaign. Yes, I agree their tactics are dangerous, but too many anti-whaling countries have let Japan get away with this farce for too long. SS already got my 20 bucks this year.

It's also quite odd that SS get called pirates. A pirate by definition is a person or group that plunders on others' riches. Isn't that what Japan is doing? I think the label is on the wrong group.

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What i'm loving about this discussion is how everyone seems to be completely ignoring international law. There is a correct proceadure to follow if one country has issues with the actions of another. In the case of Australia taking Japan to court, that is completely the right step. While I disagree with whaling at a personal level, SS are nothing more than vigilantes operating outside the law and anyone who supports them is clearly not mature enough to live in a globalised world where EVERYONE gets their day in court to defend their actions. This is how wars get started where one country or group starts pushing it's own agenda due to things not being the way they want them (in one way or another).

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SEA SHEPARD IS only there because EXPERIMENTAL reaserch BY japan hundreds and hundreds of whales over many years PLEASE JAPAN STOP this practice

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At present, most whale species populations are still only between 10-25% of what they were before commercial whaling.

Ok, but in your next breath you make the statement;

but there is no data available on their numbers before whaling commenced 2-300 years ago. This means, there is no control data to confirm Japan's findings

So if there is no data how can you come up with "facts" like the ones you are writing here?

Its population is nearly back to what is was in the pre-whaling years

While I don't doubt that the numbers are down, seems to me that you are contradicting yourself by making statements that Japan can not justify it's numbers on court because there is no comparison data to be had, yet you make the same argument with an equally suspect theory based upon information that is not available because no records nor scientific research was done when commercial whaling started.

Look, I agree that Japan should STOP it's whaling, but I also believe that SS should stop it's actions as well under the guise of "saving the whales". SS tactics are wrong too, two wrongs do not make a right.

t's also quite odd that SS get called pirates. A pirate by definition is a person or group that plunders on others' riches. Isn't that what Japan is doing? I think the label is on the wrong group.

Yet pirates they are because they attack and prey on others with the goal of interceding on behalf of the whales without thought or consideration of human life!

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With those with money to give it would seem better to contribute to legally "closing the loophole" that Japan exploits as opposed to supporting a vigilante group that says they use illegal means because the end justifies the cause.

I see many on this board arguing against this or that because its illegal and supporting this or that because its accepted under international law -- all a bit hypocritical don't you think?

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@hoserfella

sorry but "terroism" is defined as: the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

so the SS can most certainly be labeled as "terrorists." i don't believe two wrongs make a right.

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Well, yes they have been injured. That guy got some acid in his eyes a few years back.

or even been put in physcal danger.

Yeah, right. Idiots throwing bottles of acid at them; the same idiots trying to foul their prop in rough antarctic seas isn't physical danger at all.

Probie - What the sissy Japanese whalers and gov call "acid" was actually nothing more than C4H802, or in simpler terms, rotten butter. Less acidic than beer or vinegar, and although stinky, completely harmless.

Notheless, SS doesn't even use it anymore because the Jgov was spinning it as a harmful acid and people like you actually believed it. Rotten butter sounds a lot better than the nuts, bolts and concussion grenades the whalers were throwing.

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John Andresen Thanks for the info. I will contribute to Sea Shepherds.

I am sorry to hear that your plan to support a terrorist grope.

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Notheless, SS doesn't even use it anymore because the Jgov was spinning it as a harmful acid and people like you actually believed it. Rotten butter sounds a lot better than the nuts, bolts and concussion grenades the whalers were throwing.

So by your logic it is ok for SS to use the tactics it does, but the whalers have no rights to protect themselves?

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Sea Shepherd do a terrible job, I dislike it. Unfortunately I am sad to say, but they are absolutely wrong about many things nowadays. There are reasons for a whale hunting and dolphins.

-4 ( +6 / -10 )

Yubaru - Rotten butter vs concussion grenades? Big boy pants, Yubaru. BIg boy pants.

-5 ( +7 / -12 )

Sea Shepherd certainly are using terrorist tactics, so it baffles me why people would donate to such a ruthless group. The Tax Office should watchout for these unlawful donations.

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Yubaru - Read my post again! There is no data on the population of Minke whales when commercial whaling started. Please check this link for whale populations before and after whaling. SS still gets my support!

http://www.sarkanniemi.fi/akatemiat/form.html

-4 ( +5 / -9 )

@hoserfella

Probie - What the sissy Japanese whalers and gov call "acid" was actually nothing more than C4H802, or in simpler terms, rotten butter. Less acidic than beer or vinegar, and although stinky, completely harmless.

Okay. Drop some of it in your eye and tell me how it feels.

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DisillusionedMay. 10, 2013 - 10:21AM JST

SS already got my 20 bucks this year.

SS need a hell of a lot more than your generous 20 bucks.

I>t's also quite odd that SS get called pirates. A pirate by definition is a person or group that plunders on others' riches. >Isn't that what Japan is doing? I think the label is on the wrong group.

That's the same inane question that lead to SSCS wasting their money on fling a complaint in the Netherlamds that got dismissed by the court. Better send them some more money.

4 ( +8 / -4 )

South Park's message at the end of this cartoon sums the argument up beautifully. Enjoy:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s13e11-whale-whores

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Yubaru - Rotten butter vs concussion grenades? Big boy pants, Yubaru. BIg boy pants.

Dude, how about a rocket next time! For you it's "little boy pants".

SS is LUCKY that it's the Japanese they are screwing around with. Other countries might not be so "nice" to SS!

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A person who donates money for a criminal activity is an accessory to the crime. One day, Japanese government may get the donation list and go after the donors.

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How much is whale meat? I want to try some.

-5 ( +4 / -9 )

Frungy, hope you get your stomach disemboweled...

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

Frungy, hope you get your stomach disemboweled....

-4 ( +1 / -5 )

Frungy, hope you get your stomach disemboweled. c u nt....

-4 ( +1 / -5 )

So what you are saying is that humans trump all life and all life has no equal value to our own??

Absolutely. If you really believe all life is equal you'd better be a vegetarian and not harm even a mosquito in summer, or else you will be guilty of murder.

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@Probie Okay. Drop some nice cool coca cola in your eye and tell me how it feels.

See the flaw in your logic/argument? (pun intended)

I'm starting to feel that SS should've soaked the whalers in coke because in truth it is more acidic than rancid butter. Not to mention the results would have been the same, and less anti-SS people will whine about it on this forum.

-11 ( +2 / -13 )

Frungy, I agree completely.

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GaijintodayMAY. | How much is whale meat? I want to try some.

You'll never see at 100 yen sushiya. Some sushi places will sell it but they are expensive ones, they can afford it if nobody buys it and they throw it away. I saw it in a supermarket 3 times in 23 years. It looked like nobody was buying it. I can't remember the price but I did look and I remember the price didn't seem so high. I certainly didn't buy it but was interested it was there.

I don't know for certain, but I suspect the real reason the whale catches are small is that there is not much of a demand. The public and the middlemen are aware of the mercury. It's (reportedly) not a super taste like top class tuna.

Luckily for the whale catchers, SS provides them with sympathy because the violence turns it into a matter of principle about standing up to bullying. The whale catchers and SS are both enemies and and are dependent on each other to be able to continue their traditional lifestyles.

Experience proves once again the superiority of non-violence protest over violent protest.

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GaijintodayMAY. | How much is whale meat? I want to try some.

Pretty close to the price of other fishy foods. Special cuts may be more. Despite the "rarity" it is estimated up to 20% went unsold in 2004. Probably more now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whale_meat Don't forget to read the section on TOXICITY. Bon appetit?

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I'm mildly against whaling but the damn greenies in the Sea Shepherd society and their tactics are ruining the image of Australia.

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I've donated.

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I will never buy a Japanese product again until the whaling stops. And I have purchased many MANY thousands of dollars worth of Japanese products since 1969. So I am just one person, but I helped you grow Japan, but not anymore. Say sayonara to my money!

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@Neneswsw

@Probie Okay. Drop some nice cool coca cola in your eye and tell me how it feels. See the flaw in your logic/argument? (pun intended) I'm starting to feel that SS should've soaked the whalers in coke because in truth it is more acidic than rancid butter. Not to mention the results would have been the same, and less anti-SS people will whine about it on this forum.

Okay, since you know your stuff so well, you'll know that what was in the bottles was Butric acid.

So show me the International Chemical Safety Card that says coke is more acidic than Butric acid. Here's the ICSC card for Butric acid http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/ipcsneng/neng1334.html

SKIN: Pain. Redness. Blisters. Skin burns.

EYES: Pain. Redness. Severe deep burns. Loss of vision.

Also, you'll see this on there:

Collect leaking liquid in sealable containers. Cautiously neutralize remainder with soda lime. Then wash away with plenty of water. Do NOT let this chemical enter the environment. (Extra personal protection: complete protective clothing including self-contained breathing apparatus).

So, the SS, supposedly protecting the environment, by throwing glass bottles of harmful substances into the ocean.

Do I start my slow clapping now?

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Oh, and this bit:

ENVIRONMENTAL DATA: The substance is harmful to aquatic organisms.

Oh dear...

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@probie, Yes yes, much better to support the whalers- their environmental credentials are world renowned. The environmentally friendly way they travel to the other side of the world to shoot whales that take so long to die (lactating mothers, pregnant whales and calves included), having been repeatedly asked to cease and desist by the peak regulatory body, the way they throw concussion grenades, ram ships, aim LRADs at helicopters at close range etc..... Oh dear indeed.

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ENVIRONMENTAL DATA: The substance is harmful to aquatic organisms.

Probie - Your research looked so official with capitalized "environmental" and "data" put together. Thinking I should give up rather than face this onslaught of officialdom, I changed my mind and did a little reasearch on sea shepherd;

The chemical, which is simply rotten butter, is an organic biodegradable substance with a pKa of 4.82 making it less acidic than beer or vinegar. We chose it because it does not pollute the marine environment and it does not cause harm to humans or other living things. It is not poison nor is it corrosive.

Probie, did you actually think an environmental organization would be so silly as to use a substance that would harm the environment?? Oh dear...

-8 ( +4 / -11 )

Considering its effect on whale consumption in Japan, it would almost look like Sea Shepard is a group secretly set up by Japanese whalers to get attention in the news. Anything to get whaling in the news! And voila! After falling 90% since the 60s, consumption of whale meat is rising! Nothing like sympathy in the Japanese public for the poor whalers being badly treated by some heavy handed foreigners acting like violent pirates! If I say "white foreigners" will my message be deleted?

-4 ( +3 / -7 )

The size of the catch last season was so small compared with their quota. I wonder what the cost per kilogram works out at. Must be astronomical and certainly 10 times or more higher than the retail price in the food stores.

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I think that the SS crew are behaving like pirates, and have the white man's burden attitude. Yes I'm a white foreigner!! gner

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Hoserfella.

And SS/Watson never lied? What is that famous quote of his? Of course YOU know what was in those bottles

Where is Mr Watson right now and why is he wanted?

Good luck with your role-model.

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I changed my mind and did a little reasearch on sea shepherd

My source was impartial; your source is from the idiots making the problem. Do you really think they're going to tell the truth?! Watson is a compulsive liar.

Even when you've been given facts, you'll just believe whatever you want to anyway, so carry on.

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It's ME - I don't know, what's the quote?

Mr Watson is not my role model but I'll give the man credit, he puts his money where his mouth is and gets results. The whaling industry in Japan serves no purpose except to waste taxpayer money and make a very few insiders rich.

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funkymofo | ... Yes yes, much better to support the whalers ...

You are telling Probie that if he is not supporting SS, then he is necessarily supporting the whalers. It's not a logically correct statement, it sounds like an aggressive insult to many of the people to whom you tell it, and it generates a lot of backlash support for the whalers.

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So I am just one person, but I helped you grow Japan, but not anymore. Say sayonara to my money!

Japan Inc don't care. And believe me, I have probably spent more that a hundred, if not a hundred thousand times more money than you have here so I'll be "covering" what you don't spend. Don't worry, it's cool.

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Wrong, he puts other peoples money and lives where his mouth is. As for the quote it is on the SSCS site.

Strange that more and more people and countries are turning against the SSCS, including former members and sponsors.

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I will never buy a Japanese product again until the whaling stops. And I have purchased many MANY thousands of dollars worth of Japanese products since 1969. So I am just one person, but I helped you grow Japan, but not anymore. Say sayonara to my money!

This is pure comedy. As if we are expected to believe that someone who supposedly has "supported" Japan Inc from 1969 had no idea about whaling and SS until 2013?

If you believe it, get in contact with me, I have a bridge that goes nowhere for sale too!

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Disillusioned said, -Japan's whale research is based on confirming there are ample stocks to start commercial whaling again (RE: JICR), which will be their undoing in the international court later this year. At present conservationists estimate there are 260,000 Minke whales in the southern hemisphere, but there is no data available on their numbers before whaling commenced 2-300 years ago-

But the link Disillusioned posted said there are 760,000. The Institute of Cetacean Research estimates the numbers are around. 900,000. So it would seem there are more than enough. Considering blue whales and Minke whales compete for the same breeding grounds and Blue whales are still endangered, I think there is an argument to be made for reducing Minke whale numbers. As for toxins in the meat, baleen whales eat stuff lower on the food chain and the Southern Hemisphere has fewer developed nations polluting the air, which settles into the ocean so unlike dolphin meat, it is very clean.

The dirty secret is not that the Japanese love whale meat, but that whaling is a form of pest control. For each ton of whale you remove from the ocean, you free up at least 10x tonnage of fish the whale consumes, and at least 100x tonnage of what ever fish is a level further below that on the food chain. I don't enjoy knowing my human existence on earth is sustained by eating other animals. I am just as sad knowing that my need for fish, indirectly kills whales and robbed Somalians of legit jobs (reducing them to piracy). I still am sad seeing forklifts pushing cows to the slaughter. But I'm not able to become vegan either so the next best thing to do is never throw away food and use every part of the animal. This, I do. I think the Japanese actually have the morale high ground here because they eat the whale. It upsets me when Americans (Alaskans) shoot wolves (endangered in North America) from helicopters, so that they will have more elk to hunt during hunting season. I also don't enjoy seeing more wasteful societies lecturing Japan what they can or can not eat, when those people doing the lecturing are consuming many more times the calories they need to survive. Finally, many anti whaling lobbyists don't even care about the whales. They want to cripple Japan's food (protien)self sufficiency and want to increase beef sales to Japan.

Compared to these people, I prefer the sea shepherds because although violent, at least they are caring. But the clear victim is the whaler and fisherman whose livelihood depends on fishing. And I suppose the whales are also "victims" but so are all the other animals we eat. We all have blood on our hands in that sense. I think my argument is pretty solid.

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Every big customer is important to a country like Japan, it has nothing to do with ego, so when the whaling stops, my dollars will return and not before. And even though you consider people like me unimportant to Japan, there are others who also think like me, so I am not alone in this, and we do make a difference in jobs for Japan and that is a fact.

-14 ( +3 / -17 )

I'm not exactly keen on Japan's whaling program, but it's not something I get my knickers in a knot over. What bothers me more that that is these "eco-terrorists" publicly asking for money to support their violent activities. Perhaps they should get think about getting real jobs...

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Probie, did you actually think an environmental organization would be so silly as to use a substance that would harm the environment?? Oh dear...

They throw substances in glass bottles. The disposal of glass in the Antarctic Ocean contravenes international law. They admit that they throw glass bottles. And it's fair to assume that they don't have a perfect 100% record of landing glass on the deck. And that glass only staying on the deck.

So either the answer is yes, an environmental organisation would be silly to use a substance that would harm the environment. Or the SS are not an environmental organisation.

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Yubaru - Read my post again! There is no data on the population of Minke whales when commercial whaling started. Please check this link for whale populations before and after whaling. SS still gets my support!

Read it, but you still don't get it. The estimates of whale populations are based on the combination of RMP (includes catch at age), visual, and acoustic methods. Hence, it doesn't matter about the lack of numbers previously for majority of the marine sources are estimated sometimes solely on the amount they catch and the biopsy of the catch.

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The IWC has issued at least 19 resolutions criticizing Japan for failing to meet conditions and asking it to stop issuing permits.

Was this a action recommended by the Scientific Committee? If not, it simply means that there are anti-whaling nations there who has not business in being a member of the IWC.

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Yes of course I was aware that Japan killed whales for a long time, but I always had real sincere hope that they would wake up and change their ways like most of the rest of the world... Now I have no hope left, so my decision will not change until they change. Better late than never for me. And thank you everyone for all your negative votes, it just confirms my decision to boycott Japan and makes my resolve even stronger.

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

Yes of course I was aware that Japan killed whales for a long time, but I always had real sincere hope that they would wake up and change their ways like most of the rest of the world...

Oh come on be for real, with your love affair with Japan and Japanese products, you had to be a Japanophile as well and knew what the government was like.

I can't not believe for one second that a Sea Shepherd request for funds article no less is enough to stop someone from buying Japanese products. Just how naive do you think everyone here is?

Now I have no hope left, so my decision will not change until they change.

Your loss really, but everyone has their choices. More power to ya, yet it's a senseless gesture really.

And thank you everyone for all your negative votes, it just confirms my decision to boycott Japan and makes my resolve even stronger.

If you are as old as you are making yourself out to be here those thumbs up/down shouldn't matter one bit, as you should know better by now as old as you are.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

Now that the Eco-terrorists have become Eco-beggars, their beloved leader an international fugitive from justice, being sued by Peter Bethune and Ady Gil no less, the silly ramblings of the Sea Shepherd supporters have become incoherent mumblings.

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Now that the Eco-terrorists have become Eco-beggars, their beloved leader an international fugitive from justice, being sued by Peter Bethune and Ady Gil no less, the silly ramblings of the Sea Shepherd supporters have become incoherent mumblings.

I do believe though that this will make them even more dangerous as they continue to lose support.

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And thank you everyone for all your negative votes, it just confirms my decision to boycott Japan and makes my resolve even stronger.

The problem with this logic, Yogi, is that in this global economy it is pretty much impossible to "boycott" Japan. Sure, you can choose not to buy Japanese brands, but even if you buy a Ford instead of a Toyota, you will find that many components that make up your car are made in Japan. Your iPhone? American company, assembled in China, with components from various different countries, including Japan.

So go ahead and boycott Japanese brands, because no matter what you buy, you are still supporting Japan in some way or another.

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Bob Brown is rich retire politician and who has no extra mouth to feed. Why he is begging for money from Australian peoples? Bob Brown and Green MPs should donate their salary and pension. Most activists do not want to use their own money and only keen to use money from public donation.

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Why would anyone boycott a Japan?

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@Probie,

Seriously? You're implying rancid butter is composed completely out of butyric acid by the sound of things. This is not true as butyric acid makes up only 3-4% of the content in butter . If I were to follow your logic then coca cola 'is' phosphoric acid and only phosphoric acid. Initially coke is actually more acidic than vinegar due to the addition of phosphoric acid, but the copious amounts of sugar acts as a buffer, decreasing its pH. Even so its final pH level is around 2.5. Here is a link to better educate you on the acidity and corrosiveness of certain acids:

http://www.degruyter.com/dg/viewarticle/j$002fcorrrev.1992.10.3-4$002fcorrrev.1992.10.3-4.377$002fcorrrev.1992.10.3-4.377.xml;jsessionid=D7C81CAE09E9490A775D8F526C6A240E

This was retrieved from my (Sydney) university's online catalogue of peer-reviewed journals, articles and books. There are countless more references I could direct you to. However since you are so well informed I guess there's no need.

Also, judging by the number of dislikes for my post and the number of likes for yours, it says it all really. By being objective in presenting the fact that using coke would've been just as effective as rancid butter - albeit the foul smell, it seems as though some people have come to the conclusion that I am an anti-whaler despite the fact that I never implied such a thing.

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If they change the constitution, I guess, they will be able send a warning message first, and then to open fire against any pirate organizations and keep they it far away. I never heard about this kind of organization working against the US.

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"" If the Whalers Arm themselves. "" I think they Should Worry about Torpedoes and missiles coming back at them from another,s country,e Navy. that would cause a lot of trouble for the Japanese Government s Sponsered Whalers Raping Australian Terretorial waters for their so called research .

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I wish them every success in raising the funds, as I do in continuing their stellar job of harassing the hell out of that bogus and self serving Whaling program.

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Ron BarnesMay. 11, 2013 - 05:40PM JST "" If the Whalers Arm themselves. "" I think they Should Worry about Torpedoes and missiles coming back at them >from another,s country,e Navy. that would cause a lot of trouble for the Japanese Government s Sponsered Whalers >Raping Australian Terretorial waters for their so called research

Let's not aggravate the argument by stating fallacies. The Japanese research whaling is NOT being conducted in Australian territorial waters or even the Australian EEZ. If it were they would have been stopped and thrown out ages ago. he whaling is done in INTERNATIONAL WATERS, an area to which Australia has laid a claim, but the claim is recognized by 4 countries on this planet. The U.S. doesn't even recognize it. Because it is only a "claim" Australia has no jurisdiction over them.

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I really have to say this... Whale Research will never threaten the existence of whales(with only a few ships). More than 700,000 whalrs. More whales die in traffic accidents. I hope you people get my point. Research is to kill and see how it affects whale population. And fish catch.

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kitagawaMay. 11, 2013 - 03:33PM JST If they change the constitution, I guess, they will be able send a warning message first, and then to open fire against >ny pirate organizations and keep they it far away. I never heard about this kind of organization working against the US.

You have never heard of any because we have the following Federal law: http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/legislat/pl102346.htm Violation would be addressed by the US Coast Guard and all other Law Enforcement, and in some circumstances may call for the National Guard.

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I really feel sorry for people who are still taken by Sea Shepherd's dog & pony show and proudly proclaim they are going to send them their hard earned money. And they still think they are helping to "save the whales". Last vear SSCS spent USD 1,400,000.- in legal expenses. Paul Watson forefeited USD 300,000 bail money to run away from Germany. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where the money is going.

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The Anti Whalers will enjoy your donated money on luxury alcohol and quality steak while they going out to sea for picnic and vandalizing on Japanese Whaling ships. If I have a chance and then I want to ask Bob Brown for how much money he has been donated for anti Whaling project so far. Japanese Government should send Navy ships to protect Japanese ship in International water.

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Mr Ossam you speak of 1,400,00 being spent on legal costs, then you would also know that money was spent in the following;(a) a frivolous law suit bought by "fish & fish" after being caught illegally fishing Tuna in the Medateranean, this case SSCS won, second was legal cost defending Japans case in the US, a case that was set up to drain funds otherwise used for campaigns.

The 300,000 bail money you talk of in Germany, & legal cost were paid by Paul personally, NOT FROM SSCS DONATIONS! But you know this already but like to try to twist facts to try to justify your unjustifiable case. Just as you also know Germany has dropped it's Interpol case & returned the bail money! Once again facts you do not wish to admit as it would damage your lies.

The frivolous law suit you speak of in Europe is being done pro-bono, so as an American you would understand; no win, no pay.

Just getting out my cheque book now for the next campaign. GO SSCS :))

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DJBooth.

What does Mr Watson do for a living and who pays his salary that he can afford to pay the bail himself.

Regardless who paid he still skipped Bail and thus is a wanted criminal.

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you want whale meat, go for it!

Tests have revealed that in whale meat sold in the Faroe Islands and Japan, high levels of mercury and other toxins are present. A research study was conducted by Tetsuya Endo, Koichi Haraguchi and Masakatsu Sakata at the University of Hokkaido found high levels of mercury in the organs of whales, particularly the liver. They stated that "Acute intoxication could result from a single ingestion" of liver. The study found that liver samples for sale in Japan contained, on average, 370 micrograms of mercury per gram of meat, 900 times the government's limit. Levels detected in kidneys and lungs were approximately 100 times higher than the limit.

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even withou Watson SS would still be there giving the whalers hell, get use to it. LOL

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Makes me wonder why they are begging for donation if they are that strong and powerful?

And I find the idea amusing that the us courts are the influenced by the Japanese. More bribes, etc I guess don't say more for the legal system.

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Sea Beggars

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even withou Watson SS would still be there giving the whalers hell, get use to it. LOL

wtfjapan - I don't understand. Why did you laugh out loud at that innocuous statement?

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jojo_in_japan - Where do I sign up to help?

If you know where Watson is, you can contact INTERPOL or notify the Costa Rican government. They'll handle it from there.

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Yogi Zuna - I will never buy a Japanese product again until the whaling stops. And I have purchased many MANY thousands of dollars worth of Japanese products since 1969. So I am just one person, but I helped you grow Japan, but not anymore. Say sayonara to my money!

Sayonara.

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arrestpaul, the Costa rician gov has no Interpol notice out for a Paul Watson, nor does Germany, I suggest you check their page for some facts before posting... :))

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Will Lawson or Family Mart accept furikomi?

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http://www.interpol.int/Wanted-Persons/(wanted_id)/2012-306798

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They'll need a bit more money now that they've finally agreed to pay well over half a million to Pete Bethune for the Ady Gil incident.

The agreement grants Mr Bethune a financial settlement of US$500,000 plus interest and costs, on the condition he helps Sea Shepherd ensure their founder Paul Watson is not extradited to Japan where an Interpol red notice has been issued against him.

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DJbooth - the Costa rician gov has no Interpol notice out for a Paul Watson, nor does Germany, I suggest you check their page for some facts before posting... :))

The INTERPOL website doesn't agree with you or with the eco-terrorist SS propaganda website.

The eco-terrorist SS advocate for violence as a means to their end. Everyone who donates to the eco-terrorist SS is supporting violence.

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I'm not able to become vegan either

Why not?

the next best thing to do is never throw away food and use every part of the animal. This, I do.

Not if you eat whale, you don't. The 'research' factory ship brings back only the tastiest bits; all the offal, bones, tough chewy bits, blood etc., (roughly half the total weight) gets left dumped in the Antarctic waters. A bit like killing a cow and eating only the T-bones and rump steaks.

I think the Japanese actually have the morale high ground here because they eat the whale.

As opposed to people who don't eat whale because they don't kill them? Does not compute. Then again if you're comparing those who kill whales for money with those who kill wolves/elk etc., for sport, you're kinda proving that you really have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find a comparison...

many anti whaling lobbyists don't even care about the whales. They want to cripple Japan's food (protien)self sufficiency and want to increase beef sales to Japan.

And many do. False argument. I for one would be happy to see a lot less animal protein of all kinds in Japanese shops and on Japanese plates. Heck, on plates worldwide.

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