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Yubaru
So the city is going against the national laws. Give them credit for doing so, hopefully this gets the national government a kick in the arse to change these archaic laws!
Maria
Equal rights seem like a no-brainer. Well done Chiba.
Bintaro
One more city joining the present ! Good for them !
Aly Rustom
Agree with the above. Well done Chiba!
Bugle Boy of Company B
I strongly disagree with this decision. I would feel better about some kind of union with the same benefits, but without the word "marriage" used at all.
Chip Star
No. Chiba isn't recognizing same-sex marriages, it is recognizing same-sex partnerships and common law partnerships. If Chiba were going against national laws, it would be recognizing same-sex marriages.
Strangerland
Well, that's too bad for you, because the world is not going in that direction at all.
Strangerland
Um, in that scenario, the same-sex couples are not the ones receiving preferential treatment, hetrosexual couples are, as they are the only ones receiving this benefit. Why should they be the only ones?
And are you really not able to see a difference between a relationship based on attraction between lovers, and the attraction between friends and the attraction between family? They may all share the word 'love', but that is a failing of the English language to have better suited words to express these differences. Living with a best friend is not the same commitment as being with someone you love and are committed to for the rest of your life. And both same-sex and heterosex couples (who want to marry) share that love that leads to wanting a lifetime commitment, while friendships don't. Families might... it's interesting to consider say a pair of sibling that decide to spend the rest of their lives together, rather than with partners - should they not receive the same benefits as a couple who chooses to spend their lives together?
Ganbare Japan!
Traditionally, there has been far more tolerance for LGBT people in Japan than the West, who have Christian traditions condemning them. I have never heard of violence against an LGBT person in Japan, compared to Western nations.
So if this “common law marriage” gives a big boost the cities economy (through huge weddings, honeymoons, joint house purchases etc) it is probably a good thing. However, legally, family registers will not change.
Strangerland
Traditionally, it's been a don't ask don't tell situation. If you tell, there is little tolerance. If you keep your mouth shut, they will tolerate you.
Whether that's better than in the west where you get both extreme tolerance as well as extreme hatred... hard to say.
Chip Star
No, it isn't. There is no requirement for these couples to get married.
Chip Star
Chiba is not recognizing same-sex common law marriages; it is recognizing same-sex partnerships and common law marriages of heterosexuals.
taj
I like that they are also recognizing heterosexual couples who won't get married.
The all male courts here have upheld the law that married couples must share one name, which causes no end of headaches for scientists, athletes, and academic couples. You get invited to present at a conference or be guest speaker at an event overseas and immigration won't let you in because the name on the passport and the name on the event promotional materials don't match. Just stupid little things like this that happen all the time but people who don't live it don't think about it.
Hurrah for Chiba. Now can some of you city council folk run for national office, please?
Pukey2
Wll done, Chiba.
Bugle boy:
Tough! Deal with it. Next, they're going to force you to marry someone of the same gender. Boo!!!!
Chip Star
Then don't give married couples tax cuts or insurance benefits.
Meant to build a family with no children? LOGIC FAILURE! If children aren't the point, then surely same-sex couples are also building a family.
Kangaesugi
This just sounds like an argument for the abolition of opposite sex marriage.
stepoutsidethebox
"I strongly disagree with this decision. I would feel better about some kind of union with the same benefits, but without the word "marriage" used at all."
Words only have power that you give them. Just think of it as something different in your mind. Most people are okay with it. You are the one that needs to change how you view this.
kohakuebisu
Good to see this, for common law couples too.
I reckon one of the barriers for further progress here is the support that the Japanese government gives to heterosexual couples on the assumption that that's how you help children. The government needs to abandon the idea that having children is the only reason to get married. If you want to help children, help children. It doesn't matter if they have one or two carers who are married or not married. It is long outdated to assume every housewife must have kids or is trying to have them. Help parents, not housewives.
Nippori Nick
Foolish argument-no one is talking about multiple wives, husbands or partners, but nice try.
Rot10
Wonderful! Good on Chiba!
A lot of western conservatives have this idea that Japan is the last true bastion of a conservative heaven, and often scream about western cultures forcing their '' agenda '' on Japan, so whenever Japan takes a step towards being more progressive, it is quite a treat seeing them getting all bent out of shape.
JJ Jetplane
This is great news. Regardless of what someone’s stance may be, we should always fight for the rights of others. The moment we take away the rights of others means it becomes that much easier for all of our rights to be taken away.
macv
I have been living with my Japanese common-law wife 20 years, we produced 3 Japanese national children all doing great. Wife is senior midwife gynecology nurse at a hospital in Ebisu. I've been in Japan since 1970's worked for JAL many years, Paramount & Universal, been recruiting since 1990 have helped hundreds of Japanese with their careers and STILL immigration won't give me PM or even 5 year visa and asks, Why aren't you married? Gimme a break
jiji Xx
good one!
Goodlucktoyou
I'm gay, and when i lived in East London, my life was hell at first. but when Hackney became cool and gay friendly, my flat tripled in price and my life was exceptional.
afewtoomany
I thought Chiba was a prefecture.
afewtoomany
There you go, there also a Chiba-shi. But it's not the first city to recognise partnerships right?
Tokyo-Engr
@Goodluck - I saw your post and glad things turned positive for you. I think this type of legislation not only reinvigorates communities as you rightfully pointed out but also benefits society as a whole. I think you pointed out one of many intangible benefits of this type of legislation.
The fact is gay couples which formally declare the relationship or decide to marry (when the law allows) have an equal or likely a better chance of staying together than a heterosexual couple. Having a committed partner (regardless of sexual orientation) to support the other partner means that the couple is more likely to take care of each other in difficult times which removes a burden from society as a whole.
I believe that so much time is wasted arguing over this issue when the simple answer is to allow same sex marriages across the board and treat them equally (both the good and the bad) and then government and people can spend time on other issues which need attention. In the 21st Century there is no rational reason at all to discriminate against homosexual couples.
Bugle Boy of Company B
I agree! Whenever I meet a same-sex couple who says they are married, I will explain that they are, in fact, not, but have a legally recognized union, because marriage is between a man and a woman.
I will also refuse any service that is limited to married people only, but it is really a moot point, because there are virtually no services that are limited to married couples, yet exclude non-married couples.
But back to your excellent point, to the word "marry" (and its other forms) I will use it with the meaning as it always has been, the union between a man and a woman, and I will not respond to its use in any incorrect way. No government can mandate an improper use of words simply because some people want to twist the meaning of something for their own benefit.
gaijinpapa
day 09:15 am JST
That is absolutely false.
smithinjapan
"Chiba's certificate program does not confer special legal status on recipients..."
All I wanted to know, since I figured this would be the case. Guys, while you can call it a step forward, I'm afraid it's largely just more lip service. It's not a marriage, it's a common-law partnership. Now, while those partnerships DO entitle partners to many legal options should they break up, it does not here, at least not to the same extent, and the couple still can't do things that those in a legally recognized MARRIAGE can. Now, if and when they change the law so that it is no longer illegal in Japan to have same sex marriage, THEN I'll truly congratulate them.
albaleo
One reason for not doing so is that it gets complicated. Is a polygamous marriage multiple partnerships between a man and multiple wives? Or is it a single partnership among all participants?
I tend to agree but perhaps for different reasons. My general view is that there should be no legal recognition of "marriage", only of civil partnerships between two individuals. The meaning of marriage can be debated until the cows come home.
Who's to say? Having love and commitment defined by law seems bizarre. Thus my thought that people should be able to enter a civil partnership with anyone, and for any reason (assuming mutual consent). It's up to the couple if they want to describe themselves as married,
Jack
They have a thing called Confucian tradition. For example, the five relationships one of them being husband and wife.
bobfor2
that doesn't make it right!
Strangerland
You’re right, that doesn’t make it right. It was already the right thing to do before that. People just finally came to realize that.
Bugle Boy of Company B
it was never the right hint to do.