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Chinese, Russian warships pass through Tsugaru Strait for 1st time

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Things do not change very much since the days of the Cold War. Russia and China team up against the west.

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During the cold war there were many good movies and series back in the 80s. Maybe a good start to go back to that.

On topic.

It is a world issue not only the west.

The west always try to intervene which should also stop but making threats with military movements....

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The strait is international waters no different than the Taiwan Strait.

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When your doing a military drill passing through Tsugaru Strait the message is for Japan.

If the message was for America this should have happen closer to Guam, midway, Alaska.

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Let’s have a joint naval exercise in the international waters just off Vladivostok.

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More evidence of aggressive, warlike behaviour from Communist China and totalitarian Russia.

Time to increase military spending and recruitment in Japan and get more Japanese and US Destroyers patrolling the coast.

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Must be election time!

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Things do not change very much since the days of the Cold War. Russia and China team up against the west.

The bilateral relations between China nd the Soviet Union have worsened in the 1970s and on. Thus Nixon-Kissinger was starting to approach Beijing, leading up to normalization.

The present-day China and Russian can hardly become allies. It's the union of mutual distrust. Their worldviews and strategies differs.

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The strait is non-territorial......so there is hardly a story here.......like the rabid right wing press in the UK who made a big deal of Russian jets flying by the top Scotland........in international airspace......

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But the ministry said it is analyzing the two countries' intent.

To get from one side to the other?

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Being played up to whip up support for yet another LDP administration.

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This will help keep LDP in power.

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Well, Japan is largely a peaceful nation, so I hope they all enjoyed the scenery.

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They just exercising their freedom of navigation.

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China's not going to start any wars for the simple reason that it cannot bite the hand that feeds it; the West (inc. Japan) is their #1 customer. They're just flexing their muscles. If they start trouble with us they'll destroy their main revenue stream.

As paradoxical as it may sound, the best defense is to increase their trading reliance on us.

However, we shouldn't be complacent. The international community needs to stand up to them, especially in with regards to their concentration camps. We need to repeat the anti-apartheid measures taken in the 1980s, starting with a boycott of Beijing 2022.

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*Chinese and Russian naval vessels** on Monday passed together through the Tsugaru Strait, located between Japan's main island of Honshu and Hokkaido to the north, *

Scary...

*for unknown reasons**, the Defense Ministry said.*

Super scary...

*It is the first time the Japanese ministry has confirmed Chinese and Russian warships going through the strait, *

Scary...

*with its narrowest point only 18.7 kilometers.*

Super scary...

*A total of 10 vessels belonging to their navies sailed from the Sea of Japan to the Pacific Ocean, the ministry said, adding Japan's Maritime Self-Defense Force found destroyers and frigates at around 8 a.m. in waters about 110 km southwest of Okushiri Island in Hokkaido.*

Super duper scary...

The narrow strait is nonterritorial and used for international navigation so the passage of foreign ships will not be unlawful.

Soooo...A complete non-story/non-event, courtesy of Kyodo then?

But the ministry said it is analyzing the two countries' intent.

Err, by doing what exactly? Send a fax with a tick-box questionnaire to their Chinese and Russian counterparts...?

So, Kyodo is spinning a complete non-event into a wannabe Tom Clancy novel while the boyz at the relevant Ministry are to pretend they care about said non-event, eh?

Your taxes at work...

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the comrades sail together

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Probably China has consulted Putin on how to take back Taiwan in the same way Russia took large parts of the Ukraine without any comeback..

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The narrow strait is nonterritorial and used for international navigation so the passage of foreign ships will not be unlawful. 

Well, I really don’t know, but if is lawful, then why is there a story about it? A lot of lawful things that I don’t like happen every day. I would be pleased to make all of them unlawful.

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 The international community needs to stand up to them, especially in with regards to their concentration camps. We need to repeat the anti-apartheid measures taken in the 1980s, starting with a boycott of Beijing 2022.

Correct. Boycotts work. Fact. ALL trade with China should also be banned, as it was with South Africa - not merely sports events which have a much smaller impact.

Anyone who suggests otherwise supports the genocide of Muslims and Tibetans in China.

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The present-day China and Russian can hardly become allies. It's the union of mutual distrust. Their worldviews and strategies differs.

That’s the beauty of Russia and China. They are so different but can work together. Putin recently said China was such a reliable partner and that they do what they say they’ll do.

If you’re a baker, you sell bread. You don’t ask what political philosophy or religion one believes in.

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Boycotts work. Fact. ALL trade with China should also be banned

You don't seem to understand the consequences of this. China is not South Africa when it comes to how many countries depend on it for trade.

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Just like one big happy family, of bullies that is.

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Let’s have a joint naval exercise in the international waters just off Vladivostok.

I can remember an occasion in the 1980s when the US Navy sailed two carrier strike groups into the Sea of Okhotsk. Russian radios were quiet, they had no idea we were there. Then both carriers launched mock Alfa Strikes at the Russian shoreline. Still, their radios were quiet. Just outside the 12 mile limit all those A-6s flying in at low level fully armed pulled up and lit up Soviet radars. Then their radios exploded! Ivan had no idea we were up there for a visit. Yep, two can play that game. And obtw, a Burke class DDG was up off Vlad observing a joint Russian Chinese exercise and exercising their right to use international water, some of which the Russians illegally claim. The Russian were vey upset, second time in I believe two months the US Navy has conducted FONOPS off Vlad.

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We're a soft touch, internationally here in Japan. And really don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot in regards to anything military.

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Reach out and Touch Someone”

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its the new economic zone thats why.

meanwhile everyone is watching the China sea.

Russia and China are way ahead.

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The narrow strait is nonterritorial and used for international navigation so the passage of foreign ships will not be unlawful. "

So in other words this is basically a beat up, pre election non -story.

But the ministry said it is analyzing the two countries' intent.

To get from one side to the other?

LOL...funny.

Being played up to whip up support for yet another LDP administration.

Indeed.

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To come so close must be a friendly move, but did they not say 'Hello!'...?

(I guess all their listening equipment was wound up to full pitch, and the results of the fishing expedition shared and analyzed.)

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We need to repeat the anti-apartheid measures taken in the 1980s, starting with a boycott of Beijing 2022.

Please, no. Apartheid was discrimination based on the color of one's skin. However bad the CCP might be, it's quite a different thing - repression of thought and speech.

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Snail mail? They don’t shoot missiles directly, loud and over thousands of miles, no they bring the freight per ship now, slowly and directly to the door…lol

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So in other words this is basically a beat up, pre election non -story.

That isn't the case at all. Russian and Chinese warships have not passed through those straits before. However the US, Japan, and other nations have been making a point of sailing through waters China claims in the South China Sea, Taiwan Straits and more recently off the coast of Russia in Peter the Great Gulf near Vladivostok. Russia claims the gulf as their territorial waters in violation of international law. The Chinese and Russians were looking for a similar piece of international waters that are very close to a western aligned nation to sail through, sort of thumbing their nose and saying neener-neener.

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Russia, China, Japan, and NATO NONE can afford a war with one another, those days are over, the world is interconnected to the point were a war would mean suicide to all.

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So a group of warships passing right through Japan is a non event.

Ok

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Japan must be a really friendly country, declaring an international passage right through itself

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Japan must be a really friendly country, declaring an international passage right through itself

You find similar arrangements when traditional 12 nautical mile territorial seas overlap across narrow straits thus making free passage by other nations technically illegal. You see this in places like the Straits of Hormuz, Straits of Malacca and the Turkish Straits where countries have to surrender some territorial sovereignty for international commerce to use important waterways.

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Russia, China, Japan, and NATO NONE can afford a war with one another, those days are over, the world is interconnected to the point were a war would mean suicide to all.

Nations make calculations about their ability to survive and defeat their enemy when instigating a war. Often commercial considerations are less important than matters of national pride or national sovereignty. The enemies factories can be taken over and used for war production. Before WWII the two best selling cars in Japan were Ford and Chevrolet. Ford even had a huge plant modeled on their big Dearborn plant in Japan. That market was lost to war. Oh well. There were more important considerations than Ford or Chevy losing plants and market share in Japan. Likewise Ford lost their German division during the war. Ford recovered in Europe but never recovered in Japan. Ditto GM, they had Opel in Germany but not during WWII. Don't count on international commerce to prevent war. It never does.

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Chinese warships pass thru Tsugaru Strait - Japan reacts calmly

NATO warships pass thru much bigger Taiwan Strait - China throws a hissy fit

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