Coast guard warns Chinese ship sailing near disputed island chain

One bit of pretty important info is needed here - where does the Japanese idea of the islands' coastline end and international waters begin.

In Okinawa they were complaining about China moving ships through international waters that were close to Okinawa a month or so ago.

soldave. True, but there is a clear trend here. China is doing this same kind of thing to the Philippines and other areas. Testing the limits and testing responses. China is Asia's new bully on the streets and these intrusions are just one more of the bully's tools.

Surely it's easier for Japan and China just to have war and sort it all out once and for all instead of all this nilly-nalling around that just causes people of both nations to become racist towards each other? It works in the jungle.

Perhaps this escalation once again regarding Senakaku is one way to try to get the Chinese public to look away from its bubbling inward discontent with the authorities related with the train crash and deflecting it towards an outside (foreign) source of anger...

China is doing this same kind of thing to the Philippines and other areas. Testing the limits and testing responses.

Gee, I wonder where they got the idea to do that?

China might be the new bully, but funny how the old one is so often defended with a huff and a puff. (not that you did tkoind2, but just saying.)

This situation is hilarious.

Japan claims these islands as their own and stations its military and coast guard there. They chase away other nations who have claims over the islands and complain about the intrusion.

South Korea claims and stations coast guard on Dokdo island, Japan also claims these islands. However Japan complains when Korea uses these islands as it see fit. And people on this sit jump up and down when Korea bars Japanese troublemaking politicians from visiting nearby islands.

Seems like Japan wants it both ways in terms of these claims.

"issued a warning" eh? I'm sure they were quaking in their boots over that.

the boat had at least 1 PLAN officer on it. if not all the crew being PLAN. these disputes over all these islands should just be settled by a gourp of nations that are as unbiased as possible. countries like new zealand, austrlia, south africa, iceland, brazil. have them go over the san francisco treaty and historical claims and treaties from 1910 -1945. then also consider what country is actually expending resources to administer the islands currently.

sunhawk; These disputes over all these islands should just be settled by a gourp of nations

No need since Japan is a Compulsory to the Jurisdiction of the International Court so PRC merely need to make their case at ICJ. The reason why they don't is that they clearly know that they do not have a case like Australia's assertion of an EEZ in the Antarctic waters.

These acts by the PRC is nothing but filthy act of land grabbing.

most of the island disputes are about carbon energy deposits and fishing.

a summit of china, russia, japan, the koreas, taiwan, malayasia, philipines, indonesia, vietnam, united states(since they did most of the decideding of what japan kept after the san fransico treaty); with final and binding ownership decided by a group of third party nations. would be the best way to prevent inevitable war over the islands when certain present and former communists countries get desperate for carbon energy.

inevitable war over the islands when certain...communist countries get desperate for carbon energy.

Right, those God-hating Commie lowlifes. You'd never get a capitalist country going to war over carbon energy sources, would you? Like oil in Iraq.

oh japan cry me a river!

Perhaps this escalation once again regarding Senakaku is one way to try to get the Chinese public to look away from its bubbling inward discontent with the authorities related with the train crash and deflecting it towards an outside (foreign) source of anger...

ROFL! what are you on about? if thats the case, then why has this not been published on the front page of all major chinese media outlet? nice try

"Japan’s coast guard on Sunday warned a Chinese marine research ship sailing near a disputed island chain against conducting surveys there."

And yet Japan moans and cries when South Korea warns Japanese lawmakers, related to people directed involved in wartime atrocities no less.

smithinjapan: And yet Japan moans and cries when South Korea warns Japanese lawmakers, related to people directed involved in wartime atrocities no less.

Completely off topic and slander against the three politicians.

Mods needs to do their job.

SamuraiBlue

"smithinjapan: And yet Japan moans and cries when South Korea warns Japanese lawmakers, related to people directed involved in wartime atrocities no less." Completely off topic and slander against the three politicians. Mods needs to do their job.

Actually Samurai it is extremely relevant given that at the moment there are three Japanese trying to cause trouble in Korea by enflaming a situation where Japan is claiming Korean islands and here we have a situation where Japan is using military force to stop a Chinese vessel from approaching an area both countries claim. So Japan is able to enforce its will on islands it controls yet when Korea does the same against Japan the Japanese people get up in arms.

And for the record there is nothing slanderous about what Smith said as its a well know fact that one of the members of this party is related to the Imperial Army general in charge of the defence of Iwa Jima. And another member is well known for his denial of the Nanking massacre.

SamuraiBlue: "Completely off topic and slander against the three politicians."

Hahaha! Slander against three idiots? Anyway, it's not at all off topic, unfortunately for you. I can understand your embarrassment though -- just the other day you were claiming the three men going to Korea were going as tourists, but now you can't show your face on that thread because you know you were flat out wrong.

Japan cries about China going close to disputed islands, and even rams their ships, and they cry about Russian delegates visiting so-called disputed islands, then send delegates themselves to other islands they claim are theirs. It's all relative, and therefore relevant.

So, let's hear you thoughts: does China not have the right to go to those islands? If no, then why does Japan have the right to visit the South Korean islands?

Tough question for you, I'm sure. You, like Japan itself, simply can't have it both ways.

You're not the best judge of what is or isn't off topic. Please post something pertinent to the story.

Yes slander, unless smith is able to produce evidence that the general related to the political was directly involved to any wartime atrocities then that would be slander. For your information there were Koreans who were promoted as high as general within the IJA as well. Park Chung-hee AKA Takagi Masao former president of S.Korea served in IJA as well.

I wonder when the Russians will make their move again.

All readers back on topic please.

Foxie: "I wonder when the Russians will make their move again."

Probably soon. They usually do it when Japan is in the midst of making hypocritical as$es of themselves, as they are here, so why not? Anyway, once again Japan wants it one way in one case and the opposite in another.

SamuraiBlue: "Yes slander, unless smith is able to produce evidence that the general related to the political was directly involved to any wartime atrocities then that would be slander."

"The two other lawmakers are Tomomi Inada, a former lawyer who denies the 1937 Nanjing massacre by Japanese troops in China..."

I know... it's tough to actually read the article, eh? Once again, you are proven the fool in this argument, as is Japan. But wait... weren't you saying they were going there as tourists? hahaha.

smithinjapan;So, let's hear you thoughts: does China not have the right to go to those islands? If no, then why does Japan have the right to visit the South Korean islands?

You should know the answer if you had read my earlier posts,No PRC does not have right to land on Senkaku since they are off limits to ALL non-essential personnel including Japanese. You need a written authorization by the Japanese government to do so.

Dokho to Korea, Kurliis to the Russians, Uotsuri to China, Okinawa independent. Seems to be where the wind is blowing and something's going to give

sf2k; Okinawa independent

This is only talked within the PRC led forum and not even a topic of rumor in Okinawa or Japan in general.

Japan has absolute no 'soverignity' over those martime areas! If they were frustrated they should brougth their argument to the UNSC! Now the japanese coast guard were jus tmaking harasment like somalia prirates! Notice: 'Japan has often voiced concern about China’s rising defence spending and increasingly assertive stance as a naval power.' No they have no rights to complain about about anything Chinese military expenses, the government of China has never signed a treaty like the 'treaties of Versallies 1919' that Germany has signed and the UNSC has never condemning China owning weapons of mass destructions is a threat to the world security!

But the Chinese ship continued sailing without responding, trailing four wire-like objects from its stern

The east China sea is an essential passage for Chinese submarines to get in and out. What japan wants is China not knowing the survey the sea bed or the enviroment! Sure the Chinese government will keep doing those surveys, Japan does not own the east china sea, those maritime survey has been doing since 1996 and the Chinese government will sure keep going!This is a matter of national survival and nothing more essential than this

After the Trawler incident last year, the Chinese government understood Japan shall never challenging China over the maritime dispute anymore! If that was a North Korean ship, sure the Japanese coast guard will sunk it and they have done this before! So the double standard was a proof that japan wasnt very firm on their stance over this diputes! too risky if the things beyond her control, or make it accurately: beyond Mr Kan's control!

The government of Japan should turn the land over to its rightful landowners and proper government the Okinawa Prefecture. Perhaps some of the descendants would want to live on their land. What Tokyo is doing to these Okinawa people is illegal and against the constitution. As for the Chinese, tell them they need a permit for surveying or fishing.

YuriOtani; The government of Japan should turn the land over to its rightful landowners and proper government the Okinawa Prefecture. Perhaps some of the descendants would want to live on their land. What Tokyo is doing to these Okinawa people is illegal and against the constitution. As for the Chinese, tell them they need a permit for surveying or fishing.

It's private property whichever it blows and to my understanding the rightful owners who provide lease to the Japanese government resides in Kagoshima not Okinawa. As for surveying or fishing PRC has no rights whatsoever since it is within the Japanese EEZ.

The Chinese government shall never respect japanese law in the high seas, the whole world understood this already!

samuraiblue;

ok, but I was thinking more on demographics supplying other rationale with respect to the future of these and other islands.

As China's failed one child policy sees a huge drop in population in the next couple of generations due to favouring only sons and Japan's rapidly aging population, the outcome is more likely more mixed pan-Asian marriages, including Japanese. Thus the threat of a uppity China goes down dramatically. In that environment the variables change.

Maybe these islands go to China now while they still can move their weight around, with Japanese interests included later.

it will just depend on when, as interests become more similar and localised.

just-a-guy; The Chinese government shall never respect japanese law in the high seas, the whole world understood this already!

They don't have to just abide and respect the law of the sea as stipulated in UNCLOS, which PRC ratified by the way, stating that 200nm extended from sovereign soils is considered as that nation's EEZ. Senkaku is sovereign soil of Japan so 200nm is Japanese EEZ (or point meridian between another sovereign soil)

is there a base there? Put one in if not with sonar buoys at the 200 mile limit. Good fences (hopefully) make good neighbours . Post the border incursions online. The continual Chinese pushing will affect them in other areas (if anyone needs a reminder)

This, as well as other Chinese intrusions and arguments with oher Asian nations is all part of the Chinese military's agenda to control the vital waterways supplying other Asian nations and to hinder and obstruct the US Navy, the only obstacle to their expansion plans. China is nowv Asia most feared and mistrusted country with even socialist countries like Vietnam aligning itself with the United Stattes. Comments justifying Cina's behavior on the grounds that Japan was a militay dictatorship 60/70 years ago are ridiculous, Japan is a peaceful democratic nation and a US ally. China today needs to be treated like Imperial Japan was back then.

SamuraiBlue, never said they have the "right" but to go and get permits. As for the owners being in Kagoshima, makes no difference. The islands are part of the Okinawa Prefecture and should be administered by them. This is just one more insult to the people of Okinawa. I also believe they are forced to lease their land to the government in violation of the constitution. Shows the government has no respect for the peoples of the former Ryukyu Kingdom.

Shows the government has no respect for the peoples of the former Ryukyu Kingdom.

Which government, YuriO?

The Chinese government has plenty of respect for the islands Ryukyu Kingdom. Japanese "respect" towards the American occupiers of Okinawa is what happens when you lose a war. Time will tell.

YuriOtani; The islands are part of the Okinawa Prefecture and should be administered by them. This is just one more insult to the people of Okinawa.

Don't really understand what you are implying. All national parks as well as all JSDF facilities are under the Japanese government's jurisdiction. What is the Okinawa local government going to do with it?

The forced lease problem maybe true but completely off-topic to this article which should be discussed at another time.