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sf2k
finally some pushback on bullying culture
Mr Kipling
If there is no shame .... then why the shame and secrecy?
Nippori Nick
Burning Bush..the article is about a gay man who did not want to be outed to the entire world at that particular time. Is it really that hard for you to understand that?
This has nothing to to with transgender, so why you bring that up? I don't' know?
didou
I would have believed women would accept more differences in that kind of situation
didou
And I can’t believe someone would quit just for that. It must have been more issues not related directly with these sexual orientation.
Some bad relationship between the two employees
Goodlucktoyou
I feel sorry for him and all others. I'm a foreigner so it is OK to be "out" . For Japanese, it is very hard.
Gaijinjland
I remember hearing about this story a while. The man wasn’t outed for being “gay” because he’s not gay. He was outed for being a transsexual man. Big difference. Transsexuals already have enough problems dealing with gender dysphoria as it is and it should be entirely up to them whether they want to or feel comfortable disclosing it to others.
Nippori Nick
Totally illogical. Have you ever heard about privacy?
Comment, he wrote
a superior outed him, or revealed his sexual orientation or gender identity without his consent
This article is vague. Revealing your sexual orientation is very different from revealing your gender identity, so which is it? Being gay or being transgender do not automatically go hand in hand.
BertieWooster
Life used to be so simple (sigh).
Toasted Heretic
Because there's always going to be those (esp online) who use one's sexuality against them. Because not everyone is brave enough to come out, because of the scrutiny they might face.
And then, when someone does come out, they can often be accused of parading their orientation, or shoving it in others faces.
Toasted Heretic
Does your heterosexuality get you abuse, have you ever been physically or verbally attacked because of your orientation?
Toasted Heretic
Or perhaps you're merely doing your thing, as you do on all threads that involve LGBT? Whatever the case, I believe your false equivalencies aren't at all convincing.
BigYen's reply is spot on.
Toasted Heretic
Have you received prejudice because of your sexual orientation? Have firms refused to hire you, have you been verbally or physically attacked for being heterosexual?
kohakuebisu
That sounds more likely than the story but is also a form of outing in itself that I am now amplifying by mentioning it.
fwiw, I think the guy has a case because of the insensitivity of his boss. Any boss who laughs and says "ABC quit because of you!" in front of others at a booze up is a grade A tool regardless of LGBT matters.
As written, the story assumes the female coworker is a bigot, but it may not be as simple as that. Either way, she deserves a right of reply. Coworkers can not get along for tons of different reasons.
Gaijinjland
I have never heard of “being outed as a heterosexual”. Nobody is going to blink an eye if you say you’re married to a woman. Gay people often times, unfortunately, are met with verbal abuse or worse. Transsexual individuals are subjected to even worse abuse and violence, and sometimes death. Think about it. Everyone regardless of sexual orientation has the right to privacy.
Toasted Heretic
What, the same women who's concerns as regards equality and feminism you've previously dismissed? Hmmm.
Isn't it that you don't respect trans people - otherwise you wouldn't be deadnaming and rejecting those LGBT who are non-binary - but that your main concern is with the female worker who wasn't mature enough to accept his sexuality?
Doesn't sound sincere to me.
Goodlucktoyou
I have for not being heterosexual. Luckily I’m white I get the “get out of prison free” card.
Pukey2
I bet she's the sort of person who'd shriek in horror if I whispered 'boo'.
carp_boya
I think it applies to those to wish to keep their sexual orientation private. There is still a stigma towards homosexuality in Japan, so I can understand why someone would want to keep that private.
garypen
If your being married was a secret, and he divulged your private information to staff, then most likely, yes. Especially, if it affected your job or worklife.
kohakuebisu
This story has so few details that I did a search in Japanese and found this. The little information we have here does match up, and if it the same case, then it sounds like the boss was completely abusing the guy, hitting him and insulting him down the phone. The decision to pursue this as "outing" of a gay man and not some other form of harassment may simply have been a legal convenience one based on LGBT directives that exist in Toshima ku. This Japanese story describes actions that go way beyond outing.
https://www.outjapan.co.jp/lgbtcolumn_news/news/2020/6/12.html
GW
I am pretty sure there are examples of heterosexuals being verbally abused & had crap talked about their sexuality in front & behind their backs.
I am sure there are guys who when not showing interest in certain women have then had their sexuality questioned in social situations, false rumors spread etc.
What about the term incel, there is a lot of venom & nastiness when supposed incels are discussed.
Look I dont think anyone should have to endure verbal & certainly not physical abuse, but the sad truth is life is messy & some people arent nice at times.
In the J-workplace there are millions of men who are abused in a great many ways by bosses & companies & there is virtually no way an employee can do much of anything, at best they MIGHT get a moral ""win"" after years in court & then receive an insanely low ""settlement""
I think people should be nicer to each other, but folks who are trying to keep secret things like gender or sexuality.......at some point it is going to be revealed, I suppose whether is done innocently or with bad intentions its kind of like porno you cant describe it but you know it when you see it.
Garthgoyle
So the woman quit the job just coz she found out one of her co-workers was gay!? Talk about weak minded people. And why should you need to tell your employer what sex you like. That should be non of anyone's business but that person's alone.
Then again, despite Japan generally being open to the idea of gay, lesbianism, etc, rainbow parades in Shibuya and even teaching about it in school (I remember seeing a flyer used at schools teaching that liking the same sex is totally fine) when it comes to the workplace, things are still way behind.
Yubaru
There has to be more to this than just avoidance. I wonder if SHE was attracted to him as a man, and got turned off when she found out he was gay.
She has got issues here too!
Yubaru
Right, where LGBTQ people had to stay in the dark and hide in fear, in many times, for their lives, because of their sexual orientation!
Only people who keep their heads in the sand would ever make a comment like this!
TokyoJoe
jiji Xx
what I wonder is, why did the man tell his boss. a secret ceases to be private information once you tell someone. in actual fact, detail in this article is very thin, and there's plenty of room for ambiguity and interpretation.... but hey, it gets people riled up, and that's what 'the news' is for, right?
gogogo
Out of court shouldn't affect the law. The company seemed to want to save face and pay off the guy without dealing with the problem.
I would have have liked to see staff retrained
Mr Kipling
I remember when a “work outing” meant a trip to the seaside on a coach.
Happier times.
nakanoguy01
In an effort to be PC, this article is so vague that it barely makes sense.
Desert Tortoise
I found out after a period of years my neighbors were speculating about my sexuality too. My girlfriend of the time was stationed abroad so the neighbors knew nothing about her and I kept mostly to myself but they had to flap their yaps about something I guess. Their problem, not mine. But bringing that sort of thing into the workplace is toxic and doesn't belong. As for the lady who supposedly quite a job because a co worker turned out to be trans sexual, that is entirely her problem. I don't have an ounce of sympathy for her.
girl_in_tokyo
Burning Bush Nov. 29 12:39 pm JST
If they were calling you gay and it hurt your feelings, but you aren't gay, then you don't actually have the experience of being outed or mocked or denirated for your sexuality. Apples and oranges.
If there is something you want to keep private, you do indeed have that right. There are no rights being witheld from you due to your heterosexuality.
I hope this answers your question.