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COVID cases in Japan top 30 mil since start of pandemic

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The article forgets to mention how many lives the vaccines have saved.

3 ( +26 / -23 )

Well, a bit like China now, Japan was doing everything to avoid counting them in the beginning so this number might be low.

-8 ( +19 / -27 )

Well... (or UnWell....)

-4 ( +1 / -5 )

@Elvis

The article forgets to mention how many lives the vaccines have saved.

Does the vacine really protect against severe forms and death ? If yes how to explain that, recently, there are more daily death than during the pre vacine period in 2020.

-1 ( +16 / -17 )

COVID is becoming like any other virus, how many variants of the "Common Cold" or "Flu" are there ? How many die from those ?

10 ( +23 / -13 )

Does the vacine really protect against severe forms and death ? If yes how to explain that, recently, there are more daily death than during the pre vacine period in 2020.

I am not a medical practitioner nor do I shadow as one. You should consult you doctor if you have any questions about medical matters.

-4 ( +14 / -18 )

estimated that nearly 25 percent of the population have been infected

I feel like this is a very conservative estimate. I would estimate that Japan is well over the 50% mark now.

Keep in mind that around half of omicron cases are symptomless*

*https://time.com/6206640/covid-19-omicron-asymptomatic-infection/

-3 ( +11 / -14 )

We will never know the real numbers in Japan; everyone here recalls how low the infection numbers were running up to the Olympics.

But a highly vaccinated country like this should be doing better. Or, should have handled it correctly like many of its Asian neighbors did at the start.

-5 ( +12 / -17 )

&Elvis is here

ot a medical practitioner nor do I shadow as one. You should consult you doctor if you have any questions about medical matters.

Sorry my message was poorly written. My intention was not to ask you personally but was more a rhetorical question

Until recently, I beleived the idea that if the vaccine was not protecting against transmission, at least it was protecting against severe forms. These days I am starting to doubt even this because they are more deaths every day than before the introduction of the vacine in 2020.

-1 ( +14 / -15 )

Well, a bit like China now, Japan was doing everything to avoid counting them in the beginning so this number might be low.

exactly!

-12 ( +10 / -22 )

RakurakuToday  07:40 am JST

Until recently, I beleived the idea that if the vaccine was not protecting against transmission, at least it was protecting against severe forms. These days I am starting to doubt even this because they are more deaths every day than before the introduction of the vacine in 2020.

Right, and when people try and make the argument that, Well, the vaccines are making sure they don't get more severe forms or deaths, in reality it is impossible to know, because once the person is vaccinated, we can never compare that person's condition to how they would react to a Covid infection without being vaccinated, because Covid doesn't affect the same person the same manner every time. Even someone unvaccinated who catches Covid, later gets vaccinated and gets Covid again, there is no way to compare how he would be affected in the opposite condition. According to the global experts and scientists of the world.

-5 ( +12 / -17 )

According to the global experts and scientists of the world.

Indeed. Nicely put PK.

-1 ( +10 / -11 )

In December, a record 7,688 people in Japan died from COVID-19, exceeding the previous monthly high of 7,329 logged in August during the seventh wave.

Strange, as I know tens of people that have contracted the virus yet I know of no fatalities.

The number of deaths is not categorized by age nor comorbidities so has little meaning.

3 ( +12 / -9 )

The number of deaths is not categorized by age nor comorbidities so has little meaning.

Nicely put. And Absolutely. Unless you are looking for meaning.

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

Until recently, I beleived the idea that if the vaccine was not protecting against transmission, at least it was protecting against severe forms. These days I am starting to doubt even this because they are more deaths every day than before the introduction of the vacine in 2020.

This faulty reasoning depends on willfully ignoring that the varianst are much more easily transmitted, and produce many times more cases, so even at a lower risk the reduced percentage of a much larger total ends up with more deaths, is like trying to compare deaths on crash accidents last year and 100 years ago and saying the higher number of deaths proves seat belts are useless.

Vaccines also have a demonsrated effect reducing transmission, even with variants they are not designed to work against.

Deaths are way higher after the vaccines.

But cases are much higher thanks to the variants, the case fatality ration is much lower now, this completely defeats your argument.

Right, and when people try and make the argument that, Well, the vaccines are making sure they don't get more severe forms or deaths, in reality it is impossible to know, because once the person is vaccinated, we can never compare that person's condition to how they would react to a Covid infection without being vaccinated,

This is failed argument as well, we can know because there is no need to compare one person with itself but populations with same demographics but vaccinated or not. If the population vaccinated is at a lower risk of infection, hospitalization or death then it is completely valid to say this single factor that is different is the cause of the positive effect.

According to the global experts and scientists of the world.

That is a false appeal to authority, there is no "global experts and scientist" that support the claim that it is impossible to know if vaccines prevent severe forms of the disease or death.

Strange, as I know tens of people that have contracted the virus yet I know of no fatalities.

When scientists compare millions of cases and do prove the infection can cause death this is just hearsay without weight.

-5 ( +12 / -17 )

In other words, about 90 million people still haven’t caught it.

This virus isn’t going away anytime soon.

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Well, a bit like China now, Japan was doing everything to avoid counting them in the beginning so this number might be low.

Anything to back up that statement?

3 ( +10 / -7 )

story did not mentioned deaths vaccinated.

crucial info as we all see that amount of deaths growing almost everyday some 450+people a day in high vaccinated face masked social distancing country with lot of science imposed as "rules"/say plastic curtains in shops or restaurants etc etc/.

we have been told so get vaccinated and you will not get infected but life have proven that it was a pure lie as even I know many people vaccinated but than infected so vaccines were worthless as did not protect from infection.

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Vaccines also have a demonsrated effect reducing transmission, even with variants they are not designed to work against.

Tiny effect, if any.

 I feel like this is a very conservative estimate. I would estimate that Japan is well over the 50% mark now.

I agree, clearly not all infections have been confirmed by tests. I would expect the infection rate to be close to 100% of the population, who now have some form of immunity.

0 ( +9 / -9 )

we have been told so get vaccinated and you will not get infected

The only ones saying that are antivaxxer propaganda groups, which are the opposite of a trustable source, experts and doctors have clearly said from the very beginning that variants would be very likely to compromise the immunity and be more transmissible. Not to count that vaccines are meant to protect from the disease, not the infection, these are not SARS-CoV-2 vaccines but covid vaccines, the same as all previous vaccines have been.

The experts of the world clearly disagree with your personal claim that vaccines are worthless, in fact they frequently call them a huge success.

Tiny effect, if any.

A significative one according to scientific reports.

I agree, clearly not all infections have been confirmed by tests. I would expect the infection rate to be close to 100% of the population, who now have some form of immunity.

Since vaccination have a demonstrable protective effect even on people that have been vaccinated before this means this "some form of immunity" is not only self defeating (since you need to get the full risks you were trying to protect against) the person is still at a higher risk from reinfections if not vaccinated.

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No, it is not faulty reasoning just because you say it is. 

This is why a logical argument was made to demonstrate it, yours is the one that claims the analogy is faulty without being able to demonstrate it with any argument, just calling it and pretending that demonstrate it.

Comparing crash accidents and seat belts with Covid infections--not very expert or scientific based. It's like saying there are no airports in New Jersey (well, you actually did say that).

Again trying to make off topic nonsensical claims on your comments to get it deleted for being off topic?

Another mistake, as it is common knowledge that many experts (experts of the world) said the vaccines would prevent people from getting infected.

Completely? against any and all variants that could appear or specifically against the currently prevalent Omicron? that is false. Just an empty appeal to authority trying to impose your personal mistaken claim but that is impossible to support with a reference.

This fails on both a scientific and a logical basis

The opposite, you don't even try to make an argument to demonstrate this is wrong, meaning you are accepting it is a valid argument that disproves your claim, much less a reference where any expert support this claim that it is impossible to evaluate the protective effect of vaccines.

-10 ( +5 / -15 )

Covid19 cases and deaths were worst in far-east Asia until 2021, but those are now worst in whole world.

Because LDP Kishida regime does nothing except vaccination virtually, Japanese general citizen cannot yet even get PCR test freely despite deaths surge and 3 years passed.

PCR test or Covid19 drug or hospitalization are prioritized to influential people of politics of economy in Japan.

Moreover, Japanese major media who prioritize economy than safety of people as same as Kishida regime avoid even reporting Covid19 deaths surge since 6th wave, emphasize only pandemic of China, and misleading general public as if pandemic haven't happened ​in Japan.

Many Japanese don't know even deaths surge yet.

-8 ( +5 / -13 )

Cases rising for four months in Japan.

Someone got it wrong.

These infection numbers and high deaths at this stage are not what was sold to the public.

5 ( +10 / -5 )

These infection numbers and high deaths at this stage are not what was sold to the public.

This is what was warned to happen with variants, fatigue and decreased support for effective measures, which justifies the vaccination efforts, to prevent a disaster like it is happening now in China.

-4 ( +9 / -13 )

My youngest was deemed as having COVID again ... same time as last year, the rest of us, however, not.

I wonder what makes us different from the rest of the World - surely we should all be dead by now, twice over.

I guess, ... third time lucky then ?

1 ( +4 / -3 )

to prevent a disaster like it is happening now in China.

What is happening there is a disgrace at this stage of the game.

Well done Japan for having a plan and being prepared.

-10 ( +5 / -15 )

This shows poor planning on the part of Japan. Or, it shows the weakness of the vaccines. Everyone just has to accept it. The global worldwide experts have.

Again making false appeal to inexistent "worldwide experts" that you can never even name? Which experts say the current wave is not due to the much more easily transmitted variants but "the weakness of the vaccines"?

-6 ( +8 / -14 )

The Japanese government should release the ages and vaccination states ( 0 doses, 1 dose, 2 doses... 5 doses etc.) for each person listed as a Covid related death.

If the results supported their narrative, I'm sure this information would be widely distributed.

-3 ( +8 / -11 )

Well done Japan for having a plan and being prepared.

Hahahaha

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Well, a bit like China now, Japan was doing everything to avoid counting them in the beginning so this number might be low.

Anything to back up that statement?

There are a couple of articles you might be interested in.

Over half of Japan pathologists' requests for postmortem coronavirus tests rejected: survey - The Mainichi

Tokyo's excess deaths far higher than COVID-19 count, data shows - Nikkei Asia

I apologize for not posting the link straight but for some reason JT does not allow me to do this.

-4 ( +10 / -14 )

They can't admit that they made a massive mistake, the backlash for something of this magnitude is almost unimaginable

What massive mistake? What kind of backlash? Please elaborate.

-3 ( +8 / -11 )

Should be easy to show that more infected are dying now than when there were still no vaccines, the data should be readily available

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

The global worldwide experts have.

Would like to see some evidence of this

1 ( +3 / -2 )

Everyone's just putting forward all kiinds of theories and the proof is actually absence of data =)

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In other words, about 90 million people still haven’t caught it.

Non. They just haven't been tested, or they havent had the results not mad public.

Experts in the US/Europe saying that 95% of us have had it by now. Japan wouldn't be any different.

5 ( +7 / -2 )

Sorry, I can't find any recent data

Have you tried pubmed? reports with enough information to discredit your personal opinion are still valid, of course trying to get only cherrypicked data while hiding anything that clearly shows the efficacy of the vaccines may not be what you want to hear, but it is still there.

The authorities are in a massive bind.

No, they are not. Vaccines are still very much effective even if you refuse to accept the evidence that prove it.

well its hard to admit that so called vaccines were just a scam for masses and tool of mass control?

to be fair it is very hard if not impossible to "admit" things that are false.

Quite the owl goal. You do this all the time with your consensus claim.

Yet in every oportunity you have to bring even one institution to support something different from the consensus you bring exactly zero, that still means the consensus is clear and loud.

According to Danish authorities, people under 50 don't need the vaccine.

Because they are already well vaccinated AND because transmission is decreased, something that do not apply in Japan for example. Vaccines and other measures being effective tend to have that effect, reduce the need for them.

-4 ( +8 / -12 )

Experts in the US/Europe saying that 95% of us have had it by now. Japan wouldn't be any different.

Would still be different because that would mean that death rate in Japan is far far smaller relatively than previously estimated

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

And the number of cases and deaths should be within the government s projections and expectations. That's why no more additional restrictions are being implemented.

The vaccines and other measures and augmentation of healthcare system allow for normal people movement and social activities and business operations.

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This is true.

No, it isn't.

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ianToday  12:51 pm JST

And the number of cases and deaths should be within the government s projections and expectations. That's why no more additional restrictions are being implemented.

The vaccines and other measures and augmentation of healthcare system allow for normal people movement and social activities and business operations.

There is normal people movement in Japan? Business operations are not at pre-Covid levels, as many people are still working remotely.

Because they are already well vaccinated AND because transmission is decreased, something that do not apply in Japan for example. Vaccines and other measures being effective tend to have that effect, reduce the need for them.

This is a false appeal not based on any reputable source and is just a manifestation of your personal bias, so it is not factual.

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Many would call it "insanity." I call it "stupidity."

Doesn't really matter if the one saying it is viewed as insane or stupid in the first place

1 ( +3 / -2 )

Tokyo's excess deaths far higher than COVID-19 count, data shows 

Oh, what could possibly be the cause of those access deaths?

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There is normal people movement in Japan? Business operations are not at pre-Covid levels, as many people are still working remotely.

You want things to be as they were before there was covid.

Ok

1 ( +3 / -2 )

Tokyo's excess deaths far higher than COVID-19 count, data shows 

best to show the data first

0 ( +3 / -3 )

as many people are still working remotely

No, they aren't.

2 ( +6 / -4 )

Covid or no, would be more and more working remotely as tech allows

1 ( +2 / -1 )

But I guess that's not normal

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Counting infections is a bit misleading. It is like counting people carrying a flu virus, without actually catching a flu. Viruses are all around as, and we all carry them. In this case, neither COVID, nor the flu is a big deal. Though, being sick with COVID is an entirely different matter, a really nasty decease that can kill people in otherwise top physical condition.

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It's a given that cases are a function of tests right?

maybe they are not testing as less as the advanced countries

1 ( +3 / -2 )

consensus claim

Lol what's that, is that what they refer to as political science?

2 ( +4 / -2 )

Can people get it through their heads that

1) You can get Corona more than once.

2) Immunity conveyed by prior exposure/recovery and/or vaccination wanes over time.

3) Some variants can (partially) escape the protection conveyed by prior exposure/recovery and/or vaccination.

4) For many people, their last vaccination (booster) was 8 months ago, so they are ripe for infection (reinfection). This means that the term "Fully vaccinated" is meaningless unless you take into account the time since last vaccination and antibody load.

5) The deleterious mutations you may have in your DNA relating to immunological response are often different than others. This partially explains the plasticity of infection severity.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

Many posters here wonder how easy or difficult it is to get a Covid test in Japan?

Even though there is a doctor 30 seconds from my house, I have never bothered.

I would not know as all my antigen tests have been bought at convenience stores overseas and brought back with me to Japan and the price was around 300 yen each or less.

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

The current variant/mutation is a magnitude more infectious than the one in 2020, which leads to more cases (obviously, Japan was quite famous for having very low cases in 2020), which leads to more breakthroughs (neither the vaccine nor other measures are 100% effective), which leads to more deaths. Simple maths.

It's not simple at all. The current dominant variant, so dominant for all intents and purposes it's the only variant, is following the natural course of viruses, a magnitude less severe than the original. Viruses want to live. So as it gets harder to find new hosts due to natural immunity or death, the virus gets less severe so someone who has it isn't lying in bed or dead but up, walking around, spreading the virus.

The wild card here the poisonous but otherwise useless vaccines. Basically someone who is unvaxxed and gets Omicron has very little to worry about. Will make you sick but almost certainly won't develop into pneumonia and won't kill you. If you are vaxxed, all bets are off.

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

Sven…..so wrong.

viruses are only about increasing transmission and making copies of themselves. I didn’t use the word “reproduction” as it would clearly confuse you.

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Even though there is a doctor 30 seconds from my house, I have never bothered.

I was sick with all the classic Omicron symptoms. Fever, weird headache where the ache moved around constantly, sense of taste and smell went haywire. Shortly after I got sick, I was contacted by someone I worked with 4 days prior. She was tested and was positive. She was double vaxxed and boosted and was in Covid hell. I wasn't in great condition but much better than her.

So I almost certainly had it. I was told to get tested by my workplace. I went to a nearby hospital and was very abruptly turned away when I said I wanted a PCR test. I then went to another nearby hospital and had a security girl standing at the door, not letting me in when I said I wanted a PCR test.

So I came back home and called the number. Got through on around literally the 20th try. Was on hold for around 15min. Got the number for 3 relatively nearby clinics. Called all 3 and was told by all 3 that day was booked out. I asked the 3rd if I could make an appointment for the next day, they said, "no". Had to call the next morning.

Went to a nearby drug store to buy the less reliable test but was informed they were sold out and they don't know where I can buy one.

Told me workplace and they said to forget about it and just keep them informed on my condition and that I could return to work 72 hours after the fever subsides. I had a fever for 2.5 days and the only medication I took was Bufferin for the headache. Cough lasted about 3 weeks and bucket loads of nasal mucus lasted about 2 weeks. My triple vaxxed coworker was in Covid hell for a little over a week and took medicine for fever and cough.

0 ( +4 / -4 )

Good thing you were unvaxed and recovered in only three weeks.

If you're vaxed you could have suffered for a little over one week like your coworker

3 ( +4 / -1 )

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