Ex-Olympian continues fight against lewd photos of athletes

wallaceNov. 18  02:09 pm JST

The museums are full of nude statues like David by Michelangelo, in the Galleria dell'Accademia, Florence, Italy. The perfect form.

The article is about female athletes; living human beings.

It is not about inanimate male figures.

YubaruToday 09:34 pm JST

Never said anything nasty, just made an observation, and you have just reinforced my previous comment

You have just disrespected me, by assuming that I was being "nasty" towards you.

Dont have to, you far too often post as if you are the "entitled" one.

YAWN.

Sorry, did you say something?

Even if you did, I doubt it was relevent, since it never is.

You just don't like me so you take any opportunity to say something nasty whether it is true or not.

Never said anything nasty, just made an observation, and you have just reinforced my previous comment

 You do not come across as respecting any man, foreign or domestic, no matter their stance on any subject.

You have just disrespected me, by assuming that I was being "nasty" towards you.

And if you can find a single post where I have expressed that kind of sexual entitlement,

Dont have to, you far too often post as if you are the "entitled" one.

Spoil sport. People only watch sport for sensual, violence, fashion, and fails.

Jonathan Prin Today 05:39 pm JST

Instead of complaining, take advantage.

If money is made with your photo, just sue.

Great idea... but since there are no current laws against taking such photos, and the athletes do not own the rights to photos someone else has taken, they will not win the case. sad face Darnnit, we are really missing out on a possible stream of income never previously considered!

If I want to take photos for myself of a lady because she is a public character (like a sportsman), why should I be forbidden so outside one wants big brother watching you ?

Right, because the right to take such photos certainly trumps womans' right to privacy. I mean, come on! Violating a woman's privacy in an accidentally intimate moment to satisfy a man's sexual pleasure is no big deal, amirite?

If I was wearing a very tight short pants (like a swimming suit because that what it is), no wonder I would one day find myself on some specific sites. So what ?

Right, because there are no social or professional repercussions for women who appear in porn.

Oh wait ...

The vast majority of men are attracted sexually to nice young well shaped ladies and women fight to be the most attractive, all whether they tell it or not. How wants to change the human species ?

Right, because requesting that men not photograph us when we have an accidental wardrobe malfunction that shows more than we want is not at all about requesting basic human decency and respect for privacy; clearly, it is all about "trying to change the human species".

Any excess should be sued by legal rights.

Nonetheless, one can't get what one thinks as a personal right to become a legal one because one him/herself has decided so.

Ah, so asking for legislation to discourage photographers from publishing intimate photos of women that were clandestinely taken without her knowledge or consent is obviously just way too much to ask. How dare we ask for privacy and bodily autonomy!

So Japanese way of thinking, where you have many statues showing tits of ladies in streets but only on TV naked bodies of foreign white gaigokujin !

Woah. This one can just speak for itself.

Instead of complaining, take advantage.

If money is made with your photo, just sue.

If I want to take photos for myself of a lady because she is a public character (like a sportsman), why should I be forbidden so outside one wants big brother watching you ?

If I was wearing a very tight short pants (like a swimming suit because that what it is), no wonder I would one day find myself on some specific sites. So what ?

The vast majority of men are attracted sexually to nice young well shaped ladies and women fight to be the most attractive, all whether they tell it or not. How wants to change the human species ?

Any excess should be sued by legal rights.

Nonetheless, one can't get what one thinks as a personal right to become a legal one because one him/herself has decided so.

So Japanese way of thinking, where you have many statues showing tits of ladies in streets but only on TV naked bodies of foreign white gaigokujin !

YubaruToday 04:43 pm JST

After reading your posts here and other places, I have a real hard time believing this at all, least wise when it comes to men. You do not come across as respecting any man, foreign or domestic, no matter their stance on any subject.

Just an observation from over the past few years here.

You misconstrued what I meant or else weren't considering context. There is a way to look at someone as a sexual being, in a sexual way, and enjoy being and feeling sexy, and yes, getting "excited," while at the same time not feeling like you own that person, or have a right to their body, or feel superior to that person, or feel entitled to their time or attention.

In other words, when those photographers took those pics and shared them online and to porn magazines, they had no respect for those women as people, didn't care how that action might make the women feel, and did it completely selfishly without regard for the womens' sexual autonomy and right to personal privacy - which is not only creepy AF but misogynistic.

I've never behaved that way in my entire life, because I don't look at either women or men as objects I have the right to do with as I please without any consideration for how they may feel about it.

And if you can find a single post where I have expressed that kind of sexual entitlement, I challenge you to find it and post it here. And of course, you can't and won't, because it has never happened. You just don't like me so you take any opportunity to say something nasty whether it is true or not.

The human body at its peak is a stunning beauty. They have nothing to feel ashamed about.

They just dont want men or women getting "excited" about it, that's all!

There is a way to enjoy looking while still respecting the person. I do it all the time.

After reading your posts here and other places, I have a real hard time believing this at all, least wise when it comes to men. You do not come across as respecting any man, foreign or domestic, no matter their stance on any subject.

Just an observation from over the past few years here.

The museums are full of nude statues like David by Michelangelo, in the Galleria dell'Accademia, Florence, Italy. The perfect form.

They do not expose themselves. Being a man of 70+ and melting eroding body to boot, when I look at photos or videos of athletes, men, and women, I am in awe of their perfectly toned bodies and health. The skin quality. Nothing to do with sex.

The human body at its peak is a stunning beauty. They have nothing to feel ashamed about.

MilesTegToday 12:36 pm JST.

What makes you think this isn't happening the majority of the time? If I look at a photo of a female athlete and my gaze moves to her body parts, that doesn't mean I don't respect her accomplishments.

Yes, I agree. The human body is beautiful, and there is nothing wrong with enjoying looking at one in the same way you'd look at a piece of beautiful erotic art: with respect and admiration for the artist.

I don't read the publications that these pictures appear in Japan but there are plenty of these photos on the internet. You're assuming that if the photo shows or focuses on part of her body, the photographer doesn't respect her as an athlete. That's a reach. If a photog takes photos and sells them solely to porn sites, that's an entirely different matter. But I think most photogs take a variety of photos and sell them to various publications and sites.

If a photographer accidentally catches an athlete in a position where something under her clothes can be seen, and it's nothing more than a chance occurrence, it's not his/her fault. Keeping this to oneself doesn't hurt the athlete.

But if they post that photo online or sell it, or if that photographer purposefully took such photos in order to post them online or sell them for the purpose of sexual titillation, against the wishes of the athlete, then it's pretty clear they have no respect at all for her as an athlete or as a human being with the right to bodily autonomy.

GillislowTierToday  12:47 pm JST

its Definitely creepy taking sexual pics of an athlete when they are just competing. The weird voyeristic nature of it makes me cringe.

Not that the officials help. There have been plenty of complaints against the uniforms female athletes are made to wear compared to males. For example volleyball, men wear full shorts and shirts (for indoor) but women wear athletic bikinis and near thong bottoms… when almost all of the athletes are saying they want to change it, and met with the Olympic committee of old dudes saying “heh… no it’s regulation hehe”

no wonder this happens

What kind of volleyball are you watching? World cup and olympic vollyeball women wear shorts and tops pretty much identical to the men. Even in beach volleyball, there is no regulation that women have to wear bikini bottoms. They are free to wear whatever they want.

'There is no restriction whatsoever around what an athlete, a female, in particular, can wear.'

https://firstsportz.com/olympic-beach-volleyball-players-uniform-rules/

its Definitely creepy taking sexual pics of an athlete when they are just competing. The weird voyeristic nature of it makes me cringe.

Not that the officials help. There have been plenty of complaints against the uniforms female athletes are made to wear compared to males. For example volleyball, men wear full shorts and shirts (for indoor) but women wear athletic bikinis and near thong bottoms… when almost all of the athletes are saying they want to change it, and met with the Olympic committee of old dudes saying “heh… no it’s regulation hehe”

no wonder this happens

girl_in_tokyoToday  10:13 am JST

*Can't a woman be a sexual being and be respected at the same time? **Can people find a woman sexually appealing and enjoy looking at her while still respecting her accomplishments and recognizing her sexual autonomy? It seems many cannot.*

If these photographers respected the women as the professional and accomplished athletes that they are, they would enjoy what they see without taking photos and would not use these womens' sexual attractiveness as justification for disrespecting her.

There is a way to enjoy looking while still respecting the person. I do it all the time.

What makes you think this isn't happening the majority of the time? If I look at a photo of a female athlete and my gaze moves to her body parts, that doesn't mean I don't respect her accomplishments.

I don't read the publications that these pictures appear in Japan but there are plenty of these photos on the internet. You're assuming that if the photo shows or focuses on part of her body, the photographer doesn't respect her as an athlete. That's a reach. If a photog takes photos and sells them solely to porn sites, that's an entirely different matter. But I think most photogs take a variety of photos and sell them to various publications and sites.

kurisupisuToday 11:07 am JST

Going out in public and being photographed wearing next to nothing?

Yes, how dare women wear SPORTSWEAR to do sports, and in PUBLIC! The brazen shamelessness of it all!

The photographer is not to blame.

No, of course not! After all, men cannot be expected to control their sexual urges. And getting consent when you feel sexy is just impossible, their brains just stop working and that makes them not at all responsible for their actions.

Anyway, banning public photography is not possible as states need to keep an eye on their citizens.

Right! The government is the only entity that should be allowed to take clandestine photos of people who are just doing about their normal everyday business for their own nefarious purposes!

So much wisdom from this man!

Go after the punishers of the magazines you see at the conbinis where show these photos of athletes in sexual ways. They are the ones paying big money for the photos. You hurt them, you might hurt the unscrupulous photographers.

Going out in public and being photographed wearing next to nothing?

The photographer is not to blame.

Anyway, banning public photography is not possible as states need to keep an eye on their citizens.

I enjoy seeing these athletes fit and nice bodies. It's human nature.

The track and field outfits for women have become really risque. It looks like they're running in their underwear.

The men's tights in the front show a little too much for my tastes, but c'est la vie, they're just nice bodies.

I wouldn't get too upset if I were Ishikawa.

mrtinjp Today 09:14 am JST

Valid point, but its not the athletes, its the clothing which is only designed from one point of view, and you know what that it, sports clothing now has come to extent where bare essentials are the only essentials, and this type of clothing is all but designed for you know what..

Asiaman7Today 08:42 am JST

It's all about consent. On November 10, the New York Times published an article about how many female athletes are using "sex" or "sexiness" for their own profit.

It's not about the clothing or the fact that female athletes are using their sex appeal to get sponsors.

Can't a woman be a sexual being and be respected at the same time? Can people find a woman sexually appealing and enjoy looking at her while still respecting her accomplishments and recognizing her sexual autonomy? It seems many cannot.

If these photographers respected the women as the professional and accomplished athletes that they are, they would enjoy what they see without taking photos and would not use these womens' sexual attractiveness as justification for disrespecting her.

There is a way to enjoy looking while still respecting the person. I do it all the time.

I can understand going after stalker-like cameramen, but a decent chunk of the images that we are talking about are simple freeze frames of sports broadcasts, appended with comments like "Nice (body part)!"

Women in Japan get a raw deal on many counts, sexism in the workplace and politics, sexual harassment all over the place, and widespread sexual assault, most notably groping on public transport. I therefore fail to understand why the media wants us to focus on sexualization of athletes or the "ku-tsu" movement about shoes with 5cm platform heels? Are those minor issues being deliberately elevated to hide much more serious issues facing women in Japan? I am a man, but I feel any schoolgirl groped on a train has it 1000 times worse than an athlete who has been photographed in her running kit.

just sickens me to see how female athletes are treated as sex objects without their consent by a certain type of man..

Valid point, but its not the athletes, its the clothing which is only designed from one point of view, and you know what that it, sports clothing now has come to extent where bare essentials are the only essentials, and this type of clothing is all but designed for you know what..

"A picture is worth a thousand word" they say, filing a lawsuit with a photo in your hand is as good as it gets, and a video is even better. these so called "photographers" know damn well that what they are about to publish is SCAMY explicit but they do it anyways for fame. likes, followers, and $$ at the expense of a hard working athlete and against the spirit of the games.

Suing them and putting them behind bars or out of business will make them think three time not twice.

""unscrupulous photographers looking to capture sexualized images of them without their consent""

Start SUEING them in courts, that will put an end to it.

@girl_in_tokyo

It just sickens me to see how female athletes are treated as sex objects without their consent by a certain type of man.

It's all about consent. On November 10, the New York Times published an article about how many female athletes are using "sex" or "sexiness" for their own profit.

New Endorsements for College Athletes Resurface an Old Concern: Sex Sells

Female college athletes are making millions thanks to their large social media followings. But some who have fought for equity in women’s sports worry that their brand building is regressive.

-- Excerpt --

To Dunne, a petite blonde with a bright smile and a gymnast’s toned physique, and many other athletes of her generation, being candid and flirty and showing off their bodies in ways that emphasize traditional notions of female beauty on social media are all empowering.

Scroll through the social media posts from female college athletes across the United States and you will find that on many of the women’s accounts is the well-trod and well-proven notion that sexiness sells. Posts catering to traditional ideals about what makes women appealing to men do well, and the market backs that up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/08/sports/ncaabasketball/olivia-dunne-haley-jones-endorsements.html

Me neither! I mean really now, but I think the winter Olympics might be a problem!

Nah!!! THOSE can be held in Qatar!

No complaints here!

Me neither! I mean really now, but I think the winter Olympics might be a problem!

Here's an idea, let's all go back to the days, supposedly, when the Olympics first started in Greece. Everyone participated in the nude!

No complaints here!

Here's an idea, let's all go back to the days, supposedly, when the Olympics first started in Greece. Everyone participated in the nude!

Sure, that'll really turn off the perverted, dirty, drooling telephoto creeps.

Not!

Here's an idea, let's all go back to the days, supposedly, when the Olympics first started in Greece. Everyone participated in the nude!

It's the only way to satisfy the all or nothing crowd.

It's about time someone who has a voice and can get media attention stood up for female atheletes. It just sickens me to see how female athletes are treated as sex objects without their consent by a certain type of man. Publishing such photos, particularly in porn mags, should be made illegal. I'd love to see hefty fines put in place on both photographer and publisher.

kurisupisuToday 07:10 am JST

How about changIng skimpy shorts and thin shirts for more modest clothing?

Oh, I see. Because of clothing, men cannot help but become perverts. Got it.

How about not racing in public and only screening an edited version of the race?

Oh, I see. Because female athletes dare run in public, the same as male athletes, men should be allowed to be perverts and use women for sexual purposes without their consent.

How about censorship of public photography and publishing photos?

Oh, I see. There is no difference between taking a photo of people on a busy street, and taking a clandestine photo of a woman in an accidentally compromising position without her consent, and using it for perverted purposes.

Whrtr is the line to be drawn?

I think it's clear where you think it should be drawn, which is nowhere at all.

How about changIng skimpy shorts and thin shirts for more modest clothing?

No. Japan will never be Saudi Arabia. Thank God for that.

How about cracking down on creepy men in public with telephoto lenses who take uninvited pictures of women and girls?

Sorry kurisupisu, your arguement is the same as blaming a rape victim for the clothes she was wearing. How about these lecherous men stop sexualizing every female they see!

How about changIng skimpy shorts and thin shirts for more modest clothing?

How about not racing in public and only screening an edited version of the race?

How about censorship of public photography and publishing photos?

Whrtr is the line to be drawn?