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Japanese approval of Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine unlikely until May

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Pathetic.

36 ( +46 / -10 )

I wish I never came to Japan. Everything, no matter how urgently needed, takes ages to do. No wonder Japan keeps falling behind the rest of the world. If the UK, USA, and other first world countries can approve it without delay, why can't Japan? Even China and Russia have approved a vaccine, however dubious the quality and safety.

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Takeda hoped to begin clinical trials of the Novavax candidate next month and, upon approval, it would be mass produced at the company's facility in Yamaguchi Prefecture, Imagawa said.

Seems like the Japanese were hoping this one would be the main vaccine used here but they backed the wrong horse and they still might be holding out for this one so that Japan inc. can profit from the virus.

40 ( +43 / -3 )

March would already be too long.

23 ( +28 / -5 )

Hopefully, this is a strategic announcement targeted at the PM, but I doubt it will make any difference. Japan must do things its own way, regardless of the consequences.

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The irony of this delay is that a lot of the test subjects for trials in Japan are foreigners. That said, so get it that Japanese people are special so the trials are necessary.

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It’s just that Japanese Inc. wants to make money out of this...pathetic!

18 ( +22 / -4 )

Can I volunteer?

Otherwise I'll just go back home and get one there. Hope vaccinated people can travel without quarantine.

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"To achieve the needed production volume, there are various factories to be contracted and tech transfers to be done all over the world," said Imagawa. "And whether that can all really come together to secure enough supply is a remaining challenge."

There is a definite lack of something in Japan when it comes dealing within the outside world.

Exporting goods from Japan which I regularly do is a breeze.

However, importing and registering just about anything takes time, stacks of paper, stamps, money and endless patience.And any foreign document needs to be translated and multiple copies made.

This is why Japan is in this embarrassing position and the public are suffering!

25 ( +27 / -2 )

If Japan requires clinical trials, why are they just starting now?? This is tragically stupid.

25 ( +27 / -2 )

So US and EU Phase 3 trials are not good enough for Japan?

18 ( +21 / -3 )

Just because other countries rushed the approval of these vaccines doesn't mean Japan should do the same.

And Japan doesn't have the same casualties.

-37 ( +6 / -43 )

Logistical challenges to roll out in Japan: undeveloped infrastructure, lack of clinics/hospitals per capita, corruption, religious reasons, lawless areas, problems with warlords... Wait

16 ( +19 / -3 )

I didn’t mention the abysmal lack of foreign language ability in conjunction with a similar lack of ability to effectively communicate in international situations..

16 ( +18 / -2 )

If a vaccine has been approved in India, Britain, South Korea, USA etc. shouldn’t Japan be able to administer the vaccine to foreign nationals hailing from those countries?

Sure, spend time making sure it’s safe for the local population, but for many people who are not Japanese, the wait for these clinical trials is meaningless - especially when the vaccine has already been deemed safe and approved for ‘them’.

11 ( +13 / -2 )

so, do I have this right? 'Japan', has handed over the testing of drugs manufactured by foreign drug companies, to a Japanese drug company? if so... (◎-◎;)

1 ( +4 / -3 )

Japan’s notorious work efficacy in the spotlight.

11 ( +14 / -3 )

Can't want to keep their precious Olympics too badly dragging the chain like this then.

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It’s completely reasonable that the Japanese government want to do local trials.

One thing to consider is that Japanese generally have a healthier diet than UK or US population so don’t have as many underlying conditions.

Even if they get sick with COVID it won’t be much different for them from having a bad cold or flu.

-37 ( +3 / -40 )

If it was a Japanese company that came up with a vaccine it would have been approved yesterday but since its not everyone suffers not enough brown envelopes going into the right pockets..

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Takeda hoped to begin clinical trials of the Novavax candidate next month and, upon approval, it would be mass produced at the company's facility in Yamaguchi Prefecture, Imagawa said.

Yamaguchi - Abe's home prefecture. Move along, nothing to see here.

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Pfizer carried out combined Phase I and II trials of its vaccine candidate in Japan in the autumn and said in late December it had applied for approval in Japan for its vaccine,

It's clearly Japan's fault.

The vaccine companies must have thought testing and approval take only a few days but the govt didn't tell them it takes quite some time

7 ( +10 / -3 )

And of course, the moment these vaccines are approved, supplies will magically appear =)

3 ( +7 / -4 )

"It’s just that Japanese Inc. wants to make money out of this...pathetic!"

and western companies are not making any money from it?

-19 ( +3 / -22 )

"If a vaccine has been approved in India, Britain, South Korea, USA etc. shouldn’t Japan be able to administer the vaccine to foreign nationals hailing from those countries?"

LOL, I guess you feel you are above Japanese Law?

-18 ( +4 / -22 )

penfold,

3600 dead Japanese would disagree that Covid-19 is “Just a cold.”

Moderators, why are you allowing misinformation on your site?

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"I didn’t mention the abysmal lack of foreign language ability in conjunction with a similar lack of ability to effectively communicate in international situations.."

LOL. I guess it is asking too much for foreign companies who want to do business in Japan to speak Japanese. Everyone must speak English? LOL

-23 ( +3 / -26 )

Maybe herd immunity will occur before the vaccine arrives.

What would they do with the 500,000,000 procured bottles of vaccines?

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Moderna Inc's COVID-19 vaccine is unlikely to win approval in Japan until May due to requirements for local clinical trials,

As it should be.

-23 ( +3 / -26 )

Japanese PM stated on TV, vaccinations will start at the end of Feb.

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@zatoizugoodo

Having the vaccines approved and the contingent delays are easily understandable.

Japan is a massively protectionist country where it has been said that the snow here is different to other countries which was an excuse used to block the imports of skis.

Where Japan has been the beneficiary of free trade, it has been reluctant to engage in quid pro quo.

This lack of options has moulded the Japanese mentality somewhat.

Why are many Japanese people so reluctant to try and engage with different paradigms-they have literally been told ‘no’ millions of times when making suggestions or forced into a labyrinth with no exit.

Japan has many pluses but engaging in the society in order to make a living outside of basic or menial jobs means overcoming many barriers.

After over 30 years here, I suggest you concentrate your efforts at making a life outside Japan where restrictive practices are fewer.

23 ( +25 / -2 )

But Tokyo faces a major regulatory bottleneck due to requirements for local clinical trials before requesting approval.

But of course it does, as usual

Several other countries have fast-tracked the review process to expedite mass inoculations.

Oh look, here is an amazing solution ..fast-tracking something....lets form some panels to discuss a proposal about a possible call to urge some , gulp ...fast tracking.

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I'm beginning to think vaccine approval has to do with the Olympics. Hear me out:

If Japan cancels the event, then the country is on the hook for all the bills.

If the IOC cancels, then Japan has less obligation on the bills, particularly those being paid to the IOC.

Obviously, neither wants to cancel since the IOC wants to be paid, yet Japan doesn't want to be required to pay the IOC under their contract. (Hence why it took so long to "agree" to postpone the games last spring).

So, by way of their arcane vaccine approval requirements (which can actually be deferred in the case of an emergency), it may be that Japan is trying to force the hand of the IOC (and all the member countries). Because if the member countries start to bail out (like what was starting to happen last spring) then the IOC would need to act, and thus take the responsibility for the (inevitable) cancellation.

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May? Really Japan? That's not enough to safe the Olympics, sorry! You can't start vaccinating millions of people a month before the event, it won't work! Just a quick reminder of how long it took for Britain, the only example I know of, to vaccinate most of its people. Oh wait, scratch most ...

I quote from itv.com, news from Thursday January 7:

Boris Johnson has said that as of the evening of 6 January, nearly 1.5 million people in the UK have been vaccinated.

And as far as i know the process started on December 7th with the vaccination of a 90-year-old woman. Now everything is fine in the UK right?!

Hey Suga! Are you guys sure you've really thought this through?

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This sounds familiar. Japan needs to do "its own" study. Just like with other things that are totally obvious, whether it be relating to child custody, or medical marijuana, the Japanese government just delays and postpones urgent issues because it has no backbone.

10 ( +12 / -2 )

Just because other countries rushed the approval of these vaccines doesn't mean Japan should do the same.

Approval of the WHO recommended vaccines has not been rushed, anybody that follows vaccine news would already know that the same schedule have been followed before on vaccines that did not have any problems of safety nor efficacy.

What was "rushed" was development, and that was thanks to a lot of money, decades of advancement of technology and low hurdles to surpass, advanced sped on these conditions is desirable.

It’s completely reasonable that the Japanese government want to do local trials.

One thing to consider is that Japanese generally have a healthier diet than UK or US population so don’t have as many underlying conditions.

Even if they get sick with COVID it won’t be much different for them from having a bad cold or flu.

No, it is not reasonable when the consequences of delaying approval are dire and the information to be gained by the local trials is redundant. See the number of hospitalizations and deaths by influenza this season, that will let you understand COVID-19 is hugely more important for the Japanese public health, specially because we are not at the end of the peak.

If it was a Japanese company that came up with a vaccine it would have been approved yesterday but since its not everyone suffers not enough brown envelopes going into the right pockets.

The main reason why no Japanese company came up with a vaccine is that even approval for the trials is extremely complicated and slow, even more for approval to go into the market even with good results. Japanese companies would have a much better chance developing, testing and producing their vaccines overseas first, and then come back a year later to search for domestic approval, that is what Japanese "venture" companies end up doing.

In Japan, more people died from suicide last month than from Covid in all of 2020. And women have been impacted most

So was also last year, and the year before, etc. But obviously hugely crippling social and economic measures have not been put in order to stop suicides. Comparing numbers as if COVID-19 cases and fatalities were product of living a normal life is irrational.

Maybe herd immunity will occur before the vaccine arrives.

By the time it is projected that herd immunity could interrupt transmission the money "wasted" on vaccines would be a tiny spec compared with the rest of the economic loses.

Moderna Inc's COVID-19 vaccine is unlikely to win approval in Japan until May due to requirements for local clinical trials, As it should be.

No, it is well recognized that cost/benefit of every measure is what let you know if something should or not be. Redundant, irrelevant red tape is not free, it has a cost on the health and lives of the population. Losing 100 lives a month doing nothing to make sure you don't lose 1 life doing something is not a rational way of action.

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@divinda I hope that's not the case. Because that would mean trading the life of people for econompic or political gain.

No, I think this can be explain more easily: the utter incompetence of the Japanese government at every level. It has been known for years but is now at full display.

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China has a vaccine that has been developed for, tested on, and implemented on East Asian people. The latest news was that it was found to be 80% effective in Brazil, an ethnically very diverse country.

Not that I expect Japan to be in any hurry to recognize Chinese achievements....

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@HBJToday  07:43 am JST

If a vaccine has been approved in India, Britain, South Korea, USA etc. shouldn’t Japan be able to administer the vaccine to foreign nationals hailing from those countries?

you think they care about foreign nationals?..,,

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@Troy

LOL. I guess it is asking too much for foreign companies who want to do business in Japan to speak Japanese. Everyone must speak English? LOL

No, of course not.

However, you are missing the point.

This is not about foreign companies trying to open up the Japanese market for profit, it is about the Japanese needing something beneficial which many countries already have.

And the Japanese people are needlessly waiting.

The reasons for that I have already mentioned in previous posts.

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I have no words.....

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It is not only pathetic and scandalous but criminal what the Japan InC and government is doing by delaying vaccin approvals.

of course they are waiting for Japanese vaccine copies as they were not even able to come close to developing a Japanese vaccine.

But as foreigners living in Japan we have to accept their ways, no one living here more then 3 years can act surprised

The Japan Upper layer of people has never cared about the lower part of society. Never. And foreigners do not even register on the scale in what is a glorified cast system

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@N.M.

@divinda I hope that's not the case. Because that would mean trading the life of people for econompic or political gain.

I also don't think they are intent to trade the life of people for econompic or political gain.... but "gain" of anything not the case here.

They are looking cover their buttocks and avoid responsibility. And you know that Japanese politicians will do just about anything to save face.

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For a country pushing real hard for the Olympics to happen, they surely are dragging their feet on distributing the vaccine.

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For a country pushing real hard for the Olympics to happen, they surely are dragging their feet on distributing the vaccine.

Small silver lining...if its possible to see one in this whole debacle perpetrated by the LDP daimyo incompetents.

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zatoizugoodoToday 06:47 am JST

I wish I never came to Japan.

Feel free to leave :)

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"And the Japanese people are needlessly waiting."

No they are not. Vaccines have to go thru the approval b process to protect the people.

It is a a given fact the medicines affect different racial groups differently. ( How does race/ethnicity influence pharmacological response https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17425255.2018.1449833) and ( Do medical drugs, including vaccines, work differently for different ethnic groups? https://www.quora.com/Do-medical-drugs-including-vaccines-work-differently-for-different-ethnic-groups)

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Israel has vaccinated over 18% of its population, the UAE over 8%, Bahrain over 4%, the UK and the US almost 2%, and all those figures are rapidly rising. Japan is waiting until May before even starting!

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SandyBeachHeavenToday 08:41 am JST

Maybe herd immunity will occur before the vaccine arrives.

What would they do with the 500,000,000 procured bottles of vaccines?

Maybe they can toss it in the ocean together with the nuclear waste water from Fukushima :P

0 ( +1 / -1 )

By the way, I guess you have not heard of deaths linked to the covid 19 vaccine. For example:

A ‘healthy’ doctor died two weeks after getting a COVID-19 vaccine

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-miami-doctor-vaccine-death-20210107-afzysvqqjbgwnetcy5v6ec62py-story.html

I think Japan has it about right.

-10 ( +3 / -13 )

Notwithstanding the above concerns, this must be the fastest development of a vaccine in history. Hopefully we will continue this progress and treat other major diseases such as malaria, etc. which are amenable to vaccines.

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By the way, I guess you have not heard of deaths linked to the covid 19 vaccine. For example:

A ‘healthy’ doctor died two weeks after getting a COVID-19 vaccine

Um, they don't get the second shot until three weeks.

Did whatever propaganda you didn't bother to fact-check leave out that little tidbit?

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A ‘healthy’ doctor died two weeks after getting a COVID-19 vaccine

What if a healthy doctor died two weeks after not getting the vaccine? would this indicate that not getting vaccinated is a risk of death? should this be used to convince people to get vaccinated?

This is not how risk evaluation works, people die (or get sick, etc.) all the time, specially if you begin to follow millions, unless you can show that vaccinated people are at a higer risk of something then this is not an argument to delay vaccinations. Of course you have to keep notes, but immediately jump to invalid conclusions is the opposite of what you have to do to protect lives.

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Um, they don't get the second shot until three weeks.

Did whatever propaganda you didn't bother to fact-check leave out that little tidbit?

LOL. he didn't die of covid 19, but possibly because of the vaccine itself?????

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

Sad.. sorry for Japanese people put up with lame leaders.

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Hopefully we will continue this progress and treat other major diseases such as malaria, etc. which are amenable to vaccines.

There's a reason that hasn't happened; hint: population control of poor people.

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clinical trials done overseas. trials need to be done here because Japanese people are 'special'.

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Good idea. The CEO is saying it may only work for 6 months.

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"clinical trials done overseas. trials need to be done here because Japanese people are 'special'."

not special but different:

It is a a given fact the medicines affect different racial groups differently. ( How does race/ethnicity influence pharmacological response https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17425255.2018.1449833) and ( Do medical drugs, including vaccines, work differently for different ethnic groups? https://www.quora.com/Do-medical-drugs-including-vaccines-work-differently-for-different-ethnic-groups)

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Japan is a massively protectionist country where it has been said that the snow here is different to other countries which was an excuse used to block the imports of skis.

Maybe that was true for skis a long time ago. I have only seen foreign brand skis here.

Nevertheless, Japan paid millions to secure contracts with foreign firms. Then millions in subsidies for vaccine developpement here. At the end, the Japanese pharma makers should make business, money and secure jobs. If foreign vaccines do work, nothing left for J makers. The plan is to slow the process, using foreign vaccines for priority people, the J one for the masses. Just some thoughts.

Takeda, Japan's biggest drugmaker, is a critical component to Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga's aim to have enough vaccines for the population by June before the Summer Games

Is that the journalist sentence ? Again the Games dictate things

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Why not start the testing process now? The government has no sense of urgency to deal with a horrible pandemic. That is scandalous.

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That foreign medicines and vaccines have to be tested in Japan is a great example of “hidden protectionism”...its for safety but in reality is to give Japanese manufacturers an advantage. However, kind of backfires when you need something in a hurry.

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Even in crisis, Japan cannot escape its ossified mercantilist mindset.

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"clinical trials done overseas. trials need to be done here because Japanese people are 'special'."

not special but different:

That is still a very lousy excuse, "Japanese" is not such a unique ethnicity that a special reaction is realistically expected. Epidemiologically speaking a much higher degree of evidence is required to begin thinking that this possibility has any real risk of appearing, and even more to outweigh the risks from not vaccinating the population.

How many drugs/vaccines/treatments do you think have proven to be below the safety cut off level to be used but only on the Japanese population? What real life case can you use to say not testing on Japanese can mean a risk even comparable with the COVID-19 infection?

https://japantoday.com/category/features/health/1-in-100-000-had-severe-reactions-to-pfizer-vaccine-us-study

LOL. Fuuny how no one is talking about.

Such a secret information that you had to go all the way to the same page to find it?

Allergic people are allergic, it is well known and part of the reason why the vaccine is not just distributed by mail but that require a visit to the doctor. Have you considered that nobody is talking about it because it is completely expected?

So you have 1 in 100,000 chances of having a dangerous immediate reaction, that is expected and treatable, if you vaccinate. On the other hand you have 2-3,000 in 100,000 chances of dying if you get the disease without the vaccine, its irrational to panic so much about the lower risk that you keep the population on the higher one.

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With so many meetings, brainstorming and status report on each level of the hierarchy and the only real time they can do work is during overtime until the last train due to whole day of talking and creating powerpoint presentations, yeah I guess May sounds about right.

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I get the feeling the government has been able to get away with mostly ignoring Covid for so long since by sheer luck Japan avoided the worst case scenarios until recently that they never bothered to pay any serious attention to getting the vaccines approved in a timely manner. Probably they were just gambling that the situation would continue as it was a few months ago and they wouldn't face an urgent need for them. Having the bloody government so distracted by the Olympics (again) likely hasn't helped either. This is in contrast to countries in Europe and the US which have been hit really badly for a long time by it and really made an effort to get the vaccines as soon as possible.

Its a total disgrace now that we really F'ing need those vaccines to be rolling out NOW. I don't even want to think about how many people are going to die between now and whenever they get their bloody act together.

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Japan's vaccine is one of the most protected industries.

Even pfizer's deal was made by the PM rather than the health ministry. If you leave it to the MHLW, they will never approve anything before their domestic vaccine makers stand to make significant money and give them kickbacks/bribes.

Currently not only is the MHLW creating multiple hurdles to approval, they are also actively sabotaging distribution and logistics to attempt to slow down the roll out of the foreign vaccine, just so that they can time it to their domestic vaccine makers who will get an easy approval with just 500 person phase 3 which will not even prove any efficacy.

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You’re already complaining about ‘May’, but still don’t know of what year....lol

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kurisupisu: Exporting goods from Japan which I regularly do is a breeze. However, importing and registering just about anything takes time, stacks of paper, stamps, money and endless patience.And any foreign document needs to be translated and multiple copies made.

Japanese markets are case studies in multiple levels of regulation (kisei) overkill designed to thwart foreign competitors on trade. The vocabulary of regulation here provides a glimpse of how markets are totally governed by a web of regulatory controls and procedures designed to curtail their free operation. Horitsu, Seirei, Shorei, Tsutatsu and Kisei, then under Kisei there's Kyoka, Ninka, Menkyo, Shonin, Shitei, Shodaku, Nintei, Kakunin, Shomei, Ninsho, Shiken, Kensa, Kentei, Toroku, Shinsa, Todokede, Teishutsu, Hokoku, Kofu, Shinkoku. Plus there's Naiki, and Gyosei Shido and Jorei. So many, many, many varieties of regulations and restrictions, that attaching English equivalents becomes problematical.

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Moderna Inc's COVID-19 vaccine is unlikely to win approval in Japan until May due to requirements for local clinical trials, the distributor said, casting doubt over a nationwide vaccination rollout before the summer Tokyo Olympics.

This is a classic example of Japan erecting protectionist measures designed to prevent competion with its own domestic industries.

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you think they care about foreign nationals?..,,

Not at all. Just stating the obvious I guess!

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well it seems that we must be vaccinated by vaccine from Takeda?

or did i get something wrong?

how abt chinese vaccines,how abt Sputnik from Russia?

competition for Takeda dont need and must be -eliminated?

what is wrong with your heads jpn gov???how many people must die until Takeda will start collect huge profits?

and pls stop mention Tokyo olympics as causing unwanted headache for many...

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When some politicians retire they will be on Takeda's board.

I'll never take a Japanese vaccine. haha

0 ( +2 / -2 )

120 million doses, starting in February, from Pfizer would be enough for 60 million people, or roughly enough for every person in Japan 55 years and older.

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What are the said requirements for local clinical trials ?

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I don't understand why they don't fast track it but just give a warning that side effects are still undetermined..

that would allow the public to choose for themselves...

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Utterly pathetic. Not suprised though.

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Remember, in Japan it's never too early to take a wait and see attitude...

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I suggest this vaccine be provided immediately at your own risk in parallel with domestic clinical studies.

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I don't understand why they don't fast track it but just give a warning that side effects are still undetermined..

> that would allow the public to choose for themselves...

Then all you would need is a few TV talk shows to do some specials on the side effects to send the whole country into hysteria, and then the government will withdraw it, just as they did with the HPC vaccine.

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Thousands of Americans have fell sick after taking the covid vaccines.

Keep them out! Suga

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I'm guessing that after a few more weeks of this exponential growth of the COVID cases in Japan that the vaccine may start to become a bit more of a priority. All of the "close by 8pm" nonsense is not going to stop this beast.

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Troy, you write

Japanese people are (not special but different):

It is a a given fact the medicines affect different racial groups differently.

Yes, it is true that some pharmaceuticals may possibly affect different racial groups differently.

But do you genuinely believe that pharmaceutical companies and regulatory agencies agreed to roll out this vaccine in the US, with its multi-ethnic population, without bothering to include a significant portion of people of East Asian heritage in the trials? Come on now.

Admittedly the sample size might be smaller, but we have seen this play out over and over. Japan, eventually, three, five, 10 years down the line rolls out a foreign drug in the domestic market after further trials that "discover" it is safe for people of East Asian heritage; exactly the same discovery that must to take place before the roll out in the US which has nearly 1 million people of Japanese heritage, more than 2 million of Japanese or Korean heritage, and more than 5 million people of Japanese, Korean or Chinese heritage.

Then there are your reservations about the vaccine because of what happened to one unfortunately individual.

(one single individual) ‘healthy’ doctor died two weeks after getting a COVID-19 vaccine. I think Japan has it about right.

Do you even science, bro?

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I'd rather have the AstraZeneca one anyway.

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All the World is Suffering because of China. China knows that the reality of the origin of corona virus. They first lied about the spread of the virus, then blamed the origin on various countries. China has never revealed exact information about the virus, or even about how to stabilize the Wuhan market where the infection first started.

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At this rate, the Olympic Games are going to take place before any vaccination programme starts. (Not that I think the games will go ahead anyway).

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Yes, allow millions of volunteers, at their own responsibility, to take it first, during this lo.o.o.o.ng interlude.

Why not? That would save two birds with one shot.

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Troy, that was the Pfizer vaccine the good Miami doctor took, not this Moderna one under discussion.

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The companies making them aren't exactly angels though so any extra checks are good

“This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in ... four years the vaccine is showing side effects,” Ruud Dobber, a member of Astra’s senior executive team, told Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-results-vaccine-liability-idINKCN24V2EN?edition-redirect=in

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The companies making them aren't exactly angels though so any extra checks are good

Again, the point is that those "extra checks" are paid in human lives and huge damage to the economy.

There is such a thing as unnecessary and superfluous steps that provide no distinguishable increase in safety while exposing people to much higher risks.

In a sense is like filling your walls with asbestos to reduce the risk of dying in a theoretical fire.

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May is just a best case scenario. So more like August

2 ( +2 / -0 )

Terrified foreigner; "Give me the damn vaccine now!!!!!"

Japan; "Hold up. We need to see testing through to make sure it doesn't kill hundreds of...."

Terrified foreigner; "Shut up!! Give me the vaccine!!!"

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@Matej

well it seems that we must be vaccinated by vaccine from Takeda?

or did i get something wrong?

There is no "Japanese" vaccine.

Takeda is distributing a vaccine from US company Novavax and this one is in trial in Japan right now.

What Takeda is saying is that no vaccine can skip a Phase 3 trial in Japan and a US and EU approval alone isn't enough.

Most other countries will take at least US FDA approval when approving medicine on emergency base.

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The irony of this delay is that a lot of the test subjects for trials in Japan are foreigners.

Shocking. Where is the proof of this shocking statement?

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If the US had few casualties like Japan, they would not have hsf Operation Warpspeed.

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More than when it starts, when is it expected to finish?

Even at a million does a day it would take 240 days to give everyone two does.

I have no idea if 240 million does are needed to get back to normal or if a million does a day is possible.

Anyone have any idea?

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and western companies are not making any money from it?

If you mean profit, not AstraZeneca, at least. Being developed from public Oxford University, the British government required that any manufacturing partner be not use it for profit from the crisis

That's why it took AstraZaneca, a relatively smaller drug manufacturer that doesn't usually make vaccines, who agreed not to make profits

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How is Japan going to generate significant efficacy data of the Western vaccines without a mass vaccination trial? As the reports stand, Japan has so few cases, few cases = few data points / # participants.

MY RECOMMENDATION:

Tomorrow - They should just start rolling out all vaccine candidates as fast as their fax machines can print. Do so under the guise of “trials”. This way they might have a shot at a significant data-set by April, and may have an effective means to distribute by... June or July???

May - announce they are considering the data

June - announce they will be announcing approvals.

July - Roll out the vaccines to Japanese & International community at the Olympic venues. Face saved!

*Trials & Dat will require testing though. And Suda-san is going to squash this 3rd wave by February... Nah, this just won’t ever work.

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@virusrex

Exceptionally good commentary/insights/rebuttals on this news thread. Thank you.

Most of your points should be obvious, but I get the feeling many JT readers rely a bit too much on Japanese news sites for general information on the virus, pandemic, immunology etc.

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think time allocation. 3 minutes per person average to get a jab? For a population of 14 million, 42 million minutes or 29,166 days. Multiple by 2 for 12 hour days. 58,334 minute-days. So now we know what the staffing scale has to meet. There will only be a few thousand people who can give you a shot. It's not the same as taking swabs. Also clinic setup, scheduling, vaccine availabilities, delivery, refrigeration, training, second doses. Lots of people.

This is going to take many months longer if not most of the year.

Japan better start planning and ramping up now instead of waiting the last minute given the much larger population. That time allocation should be pretty daunting.

Getting the testing ramping up to meet the need would have prepared Tokyo to learn about this kind of scale problem, but with so few tests even now there are few lessons learned.

Unfortunately this means vaccination will languish behind those that learned from building up the testing capacity.

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borschtJan. 8  08:40 am JST

penfold,

3600 dead Japanese would disagree that Covid-19 is “Just a cold.”

I agree with you. Speaking with friends and family that live in Japan (Tokyo, Fukuoka, Osaka, and Akita), I can assure you that no one is viewing this just a cold.

However they did say that if COVID doesn't kill them, these shutdowns will. I know they mean that jokingly but it just reinforces the situation.

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I am shocked at the delay.

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@virusrex

Exceptionally good commentary/insights/rebuttals on this news thread. Thank you.

Most of your points should be obvious, but I get the feeling many JT readers rely a bit too much on Japanese news sites for general information on the virus, pandemic, immunology etc.

Yet another person who thinks the length of a post equals gravitas and truth.

He hasn't made one proclamation other than he considers himself an expert. Simply ignores all available evidence that runs counter to his wished-upon narratives.

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He hasn't made one proclamation other than he considers himself an expert. Simply ignores all available evidence that runs counter to his wished-upon narratives.

Sure, of course you can quote me on that, right? just copy and paste anything where my personal opinion is what supports what I write. It is not like you pulled that out of the thin air

If you skip reading every time I prove false something born from ignorance, like "We need to see testing through to make sure it doesn't kill hundreds..." even when the testing is much smaller and less significative than what has already been done, that is the opposite of ignoring evidence, that would be trying to ignore when something proves you wrong.

I am still waiting to see the thousands of people that are supposedly coming back to life in the US because they surpassed the 0.1% fatality rate that you so desperately want to believe.

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I am still waiting to see the thousands of people that are supposedly coming back to life in the US because they surpassed the 0.1% fatality rate that you so desperately want to believe.

Imagine thinking at this point that all those Covid deaths were actually Covid deaths!

The blinders that one needs to believe an 82 year old with 3 or more co-morbidities died because of Covid is stunning.

as the kids say these days...You do you.

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Victims of the Covid-19 who died, even with underlying conditions, still died from being infected. They would have lived longer without the Covid-19. Even many who have recovered have serious lung problems.

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Imagine thinking at this point that all those Covid deaths were actually Covid deaths!

The blinders that one needs to believe an 82 year old with 3 or more co-morbidities died because of Covid is stunning.

So, that is how you think you proved your point? by your personal uninformed opinion about what is or not a COVID-19 death contrary to the opinion of all experts? Is it because you consider yourself an expert?

How about the rest of the comment that you "simply ignored"? Is that how you accept being wrong?

At the end in a single comment you did all of the things that you complained about.

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I'm much more informed than you. Also...."contrary to the opinion of ALL experts"!

Imagine thinking that all the experts are in perfect agreement one year into this mess!!!

And please. You of all people need to sit down when the subject of ignoring data pops up.

So you do think you are more qualified than the experts that actually determinate the number of COVID deaths, and also keep ignoring every argument that prove you wrong.

That would mean that yes, you do everything you keep accusing others to do, just with bad excuses about it.

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Take your time, J-Gov. No rush. It's not like there's a deadly pandemic that especially affects seniors in a country with a majority population of seniors.

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@troy

"clinical trials done overseas. trials need to be done here because Japanese people are 'special'." not special but different: It is a a given fact the medicines affect different racial groups differently."

Did you read the article? It is NOT a given fact the medicines will always affect different racial groups differently. And in case, the vaccine is not a "medicine," s your point is mute.

To quote your article.... "Race is a crude proxy to genetic ancestry and falls short of explaining the variation in response to medication." Thus, it is not a question of being a Japanese national or not.

Further, most medications can be controlled by dosing, but the two vaccines are not medications, they are mRNA. There is a big difference, Further, unlike other vacancies, the mRNA does not contain eggs or preservatives as a flu shots do. All it is is a tiny piece of genetic code to stimulate a coronavirus immune response. It does not contain C19.

Read up before jumping to conclusions.

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