J-rock star Miyavi on mission to change Japan's tune on refugees

You accused everybody in this topic who declared there were problems withtin the refugee community that they could produce not even one article stating one genuine case from a credible source and I gave you several ranging from many heavy crimes committed by refugees being swept under the rug in The Netherlands to hundreds of police reports being filed by women against refugees for unappropriate behaviour in Germany over several refugees being caught plotting terrorist attacks in their host country.

No, you showed basically a bunch of anecdotes. None of the articles you linked to showed anything beyond some people being caught for bad stuff. It did not show any evidence to show that there is a problem with refugees, it showed a few refugees who are problems. If you think that the existence of a few problem people is justification for refusing humanitarian assistance to an entire group of people, you've got a bigotry problem.

Your articles did not attempt to show the balance of benefits of refugees to a society, to show a full overview. All you did was cherry pick a couple of cases in which the perpetrators shared a common trait with the group you are claiming is a problem. You didn't show the group is a problem.

Basically your logic is 'some people are bad, so we can't let any of them in'. Sorry, but the idea that you would have ANY group where everyone would be a perfect citizen in any other society is silly. A responsible way to determine whether there is a problem is to look at the degree to which a problem actually exists.

I have the pleasure to visit Europe 4 to 5 times a year and can see massive changes in some areas.

I can say from my own experience that London has a large number of immigrants from many countries and that most do seek to fit in.

However, there are those, especially from the West Indies,Albania,Jamaica, Pakistan and Somalia etc that have shown a higher propensity for criminal activities.

A lot of the crime from ethnic minorities is foisted on other ethnic minorities.These areas are dangerous.

When there is a reported stabbing in Hackney,Lewisham or New Cross; it is highly likely to be an ethnic minority crime.

It is not immigration that is bad.Rather, it is the concentration of minorities into ghettoes and lack of financial support for those attempting to adjust to a completely new culture.

Some real backwater links.

@Strangerland

You accused everybody in this topic who declared there were problems withtin the refugee community that they could produce not even one article stating one genuine case from a credible source and I gave you several ranging from many heavy crimes committed by refugees being swept under the rug in The Netherlands to hundreds of police reports being filed by women against  refugees for unappropriate behaviour in Germany over several refugees being caught plotting terrorist attacks in their host country.

You even said that refugees plotting terrorist attacks in their host country are not a problem they just did some "bad" things, I mean are you for real ???

It is not my fault you can not speak Dutch or German you asked for credible media which I provided they are very credible media in their home country and seeing as I can speak both Dutch and German I even summarized the articles for you but feel free to double check if you don't believe me.

Like I said I could provide many more articles and opinions pieces (which you didn't want to read) from credible media to demonstrate that there are serious problems with members of the refugee community but I made my point.

You got owned badly by everybody in this thread and the proof is there for everybody so see that's the bottomline.

So, just as a refresher, this is the original point from which the following articles were posted:

As pointed out by many we have seen the problems bringing these people in has brought to other countries

Which I pointed out, hasn't actually been shown. The poster claimed articles that would support the assertion. The following were supposedly supposed to do so.

https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/artikel/4714216/asielzoekers-zware-delicten-tweede-kamer-harbers

Sorry, i don't speak Dutch.

https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/silvester-in-koeln-sicherheitskonzept-der-stadt-scheint-aufzugehen-a-1185745.html

Or German.

https://www.euronews.com/2019/01/30/refugee-trio-arrested-in-germany-over-terrorist-plot?PageSpeed=noscript

Ok... I don't know why you posted this article. It doesn't show there is a problem with immigrants, or even an overview of the immigrants impact in the countries they migrate to - their overall contributions and problems as a summary. It simply shows three guys did some bad things. It doesn't show any correlation to the overall community of immigrants as a whole.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/feds-arrest-syrian-refugee-accused-plotting-terrorist-attack/story?id=63819722

Ok, another article that once again just shows a problem with a few people, not the overall community. More than anecdotes, in that they are news that clearly happened, but they don't support your assertion that refugees bring many problems. Millions of refugees in the world and you posted a problem with a few individuals.

As I said from the start, regarding that we've "seen many problems" with refugees, it's still a claim that people make as a given, and it's not.

Does anyone have anything that actually shows the reality of the refugee situation as a whole? Or are we going to just get a bunch of more media anecdotes about some individuals?

How may refugees has Taiwan or China taken recently?

I find his actions very cheap. But you can't really expect anything else I guess. But yet they those feet are swift to change that constitution though, all in the name of helping the international community. How have people become so blind these days?

mmwkdw,

yes, for sure.

The sexually assaulted females refugees you refer to are being assaulted by their coyote smugglers, not Americans

Child migrants and asylum seekers in the US have accused border agents of sexual assault and retaliating against those who complain about the conditions in which they are detained, according to a new report. A 15-year-old Honduran girl told government investigators that one officer put his hands under her bra, pulled down her underwear and groped her during a security check, according to NBC News.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-mexico-border-sexual-assault-child-detention-arizona-honduras-a8998161.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/27/migrant-children-sexual-abuse-complaints-filed-documents-hhs

Q. Is Japan is a safer place as a result of not taking in refugees ?

Japan's culture isn't going to be extinguished by refugees or migrants coming here. Apart from inevitable US cultural capitalism and the controversial occupation of Okinawa.

Yes, of course, there's always a few bad apples who spoil it for others - Americans murdering their Japanese wives or girlfriends - but that doesn't mean every migrant is a murderer or wrong 'un.

Good on Mr. Miyavi for bringing this important topic to the masses.

If you have some that can show the facts though, I'm quite open minded to it.

Thanks for bearing with me, I will now provide you with some articles based on real facts from credible mainstream media and I tried to stay as general as possible without providing articles about individual cases because there are many like that.

I also refrained from opinion pieces because you specifically asked me to.

In The Netherlands, a country which has a policy of accomodating many refugees, there was a big scandal in parliament because the crime numbers related to heavy crime inside and outside refugee centers were being covered up and the secretary of state of Foreign Affairs was forced to reseign.

https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/artikel/4714216/asielzoekers-zware-delicten-tweede-kamer-harbers

In Germany, another country which has a policy of accomodating many refugees, there were huge problems with unappropriate behaviour towards women during the New Year and carnival festivities ever since 2015 and many cases were attributed by the police to refugees.

https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/silvester-in-koeln-sicherheitskonzept-der-stadt-scheint-aufzugehen-a-1185745.html

https://www.ad.nl/buitenland/1-200-aanrandingen-tijdens-oud-en-nieuw-in-duitsland~a51775dd/

Some terrorist attacks were and are being plotted by refugees.

https://www.euronews.com/2019/01/30/refugee-trio-arrested-in-germany-over-terrorist-plot

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/feds-arrest-syrian-refugee-accused-plotting-terrorist-attack/story?id=63819722

I can give you many more articles and although these in no way should generalize the whole refugee community, which I am completely against, I think I made my point that there are real tangible problems within the refugee community.

Don't forget that the problems we are experiencing with a portion of the  refugee community are one of the main reasons populists and extreme right are on the rise in the United States and Europe which is a very worrying trend indeed.

Sure. Japan is a willing signatory to the convention on refugees, so I don't see why they should do anything other than live up to the obligations they have willingly taken on.

I honestly don't really see how that counterdicts my argument that Japan as well as the international community should provide  financial support to the countries in the regions itself to accommodate the refugees as we are already doing in Turkey.

If you disagree with me that's fine at least you do it in a civil manner so I try to be respectful to you too.

99% refugee rejection rate?

Only 1 in one hundred applicants make it into Japan.

That is an abysmal figure and taking into consideration how Japan is dependent on exports, it is quite disgusting.

Vietnamese boat people? Theyre a different ballgame than our muslim friends.

What do you mean by that?

Do all your Muslim friends think and act the same? Do your Muslim colleagues and neighbors all act as a single entity?

Or just the ones who come to Japan?

@Lamilly,

Vietnamese boat people? Theyre a different ballgame than our muslim friends.

The United States are not a good example for how to treat refugees. Just look at those concentration camps they have at their borders, holding refugees like cattle, denying regular showers and toothbrushes, sexually assaulting female refugees, etc. Stay real Japan, you’re doing more for them than the countries listed in the article.

@Strangerland,

Come on, get real.

Well Miyavi, based on the numbers, yea it does seem like the US is much more generous than Japan. It's just strange in that the world seems to think the USA needs to support every economy in the world so people will remain in their home region rather than flood their borders.

opinion pieces

They are not opinion pieces, they are articles based on real facts but like I said just wait I will provide them later as you are at least willing to listen to me.

In the meantime you can think about how to debunk my valid argument to give financial support to countries in the region to accomodate refugees as we do with Turkey.

Sure. Japan is a willing signatory to the convention on refugees, so I don't see why they should do anything other than live up to the obligations they have willingly taken on.

I'm off to work but to humour you I will later provide you with some articles involving problems with some of the refugee community such as their viewponts towards the position of women in our society.

Oh, I've seen plenty of opinion pieces. I'm a little old-school however, in that I don't consider opinion as fact.

If you have some that can show the facts though, I'm quite open minded to it.

I mean look at you, you’re arguing with me and yet can’t even produce any articles to support your assertion.

I'm off to work but to humour you I will later provide you with some articles involving problems with some of the refugee community such as their viewponts towards the position of women in our society.

Don't worry they will all be from credible mainstream media and not the right-wing fear-based news you keep refering to.

I can give you some personal examples I experienced with refugees in my country but seeing as those would be considered anecdotal I will refrain from doing so.

And to make it abundantly clear I do not generalize the whole refugee community as being problematic but there most certainly are big problems which can not be denied.

In the meantime you can think about how to debunk my valid argument to give financial support to countries in the region to accomodate refugees as we do with Turkey.

The hatred of refugees is strong today. The usual tropes about Europe from privileged migrants to Japan. Oh, the irony.

That's because you only see want you want to see and whatever fits your narrative.

No, I’m pretty open to facts. But no one has ever shown any. Just a bunch of rhetoric. I mean look at you, you’re arguing with me and yet can’t even produce any articles to support your assertion.

I've only ever seen right-wing fear-based news making this claim with no supporting evidence.

That's because you only see want you want to see and whatever fits your narrative.

only that we won't."

I clearly suggested we should give financial support to countries in the region to accommodate the refugees.

We already do this with Turkey who shelter many Syrian refugees and it's prove that system works.

Nobody is saying we shouldn't help refugees but bringing them to Japan is not the correct way.

"No one is saying we shouldn't help refugees, only that we won't."

Yes let's ignore the many news articles on this subject from respected international media outlets a simple Google search will provide you.

I've only ever seen right-wing fear-based news making this claim with no supporting evidence. I've never seen a respectable news article making the claim.

Again, you people claim it as a given. It's not. It never was. Repeating it over and over doesn't suddenly make it more valid.

We haven't actually seen these claims supported.

Yes let's ignore the many news articles on this subject from respected international media outlets a simple Google search will provide you.

Nobody is saying we shouldn't help refugees but bringing them to Japan is not the correct way.

As pointed out by many we have seen the problems bringing these people in has brought to other countries

Well no, we've seen people make these claims, and other people repeat them as fact. We haven't actually seen these claims supported.

Refugees should always be taken care of in their own region with financial aid of the international community and Japan too should offer financial help.

In their own region they share the same language, religion, culture, tradition, norms and values which is NOT the case Japan.

As pointed out by many we have seen the problems bringing these people in has brought to other countries why should Japan make the same mistake?

then the world saw what happened when Europe misguidedly opened its borders to mass hordes of immigrants and refugees, many not vetted and quite a few with criminal backgrounds. Increase in violent crime, no desire to assimilate, drain on local resources, etc.

We saw people claiming that, and that it was a given. Scared sheep.

I've been saying it for many years, but the ultimate irony is that people for many years have criticized Japan's immigration and refugee policies as being 'racist' and 'xenophobic.'

And then the world saw what happened when Europe misguidedly opened its borders to mass hordes of immigrants and refugees, many not vetted and quite a few with criminal backgrounds. Increase in violent crime, no desire to assimilate, drain on local resources, etc.

And nowadays whenever I see Japanese YouTube vloggers ask if Japan should let in more foreigners, I frequently see viewer comments telling Japan to not make the same mistakes for the sake of political correctness.

Strangerland.. you really should visit those areas you think are "thriving" 

I’ve been to every place you mentioned, and they are all thriving. Maybe you are the one that should visit them.

Yep, he is.. amazingly he is now preaching morals..

Wasnt he they guy who didnt pay his taxes and ran off to the U.S?

I dunno about that whole 'Japan is becoming more accepting of foreigners' thing...white, college educated foreigners, maybe. I work in a school in an area with non-white, blue collar foreigners and their children are treated like dirt by students and teachers alike.

Good intentions but look at parts of Europe and Australia and other nations who have accepted lots of refugees.

Let me counter your claims on "parts of Europe" and "other nations". You are wrong, those "parts of Europe" and "other nations" you speak of are thriving due to immigrants, in spite of anti-immigrant hatred.

Sorry, I just blew apart that argument.

Now as for Australia, same. It's regularly got multiple cities in the top ten places in the world to live, it's got a healthy economy that survived the global collapse of 2008, and is a safe place to live, with healthcare and rule of law.

The idea that refugees have hurt Australia is frankly ridiculous, and it's the kind of fear that people too stupid to fact check themselves fall victim to.

I urge him to go thru some "nice" areas in sweden , france and other "accepting" countries...

It always so annoying when those overprivileged, rich artists claim for moral grounds while living well beyond means of majority of their own country citizens.. instead of helping "refugees" maybe he should be looking at single mothers and people living and dying alone in poverty in Japan first...

Good intentions but look at parts of Europe and Australia and other nations who have accepted lots of refugees. The effects can be disaterous.

The P.C. and anti-Japan crowd will as per usual mock and ridicule Japan's low acceptance of refugees (South Korea averaged 35 refugees accepted per year since 1994). These people conveniently turn a blind eye to the utter havoc and discord caused by nations that have accepted mass numbers of refugees. Rise in crime, racial tensions, hatred. Let's hope the Japanese government doesn't get cowed by this nonsense and stick to what keeps Japan Japanese, harmony and unity.

Miyavi is really doing some great work out here. All while trying to be a dad and a singer he's pretty awesome

Can I have a Resident Visa since you’re going to let “Refugees” in?

Once you get divorced, they throw you out, if you didn’t already get it.

So now providing financial assistance is considered bribing?? Talk about being ungrateful these days. Let see you find other nations willing to provide any financial assistance for free and spend that much. This is why i don’t support these things. You give them a inch and they want the whole yard. People are no longer satisfied with the things they get.

it announced a funding contribution of $72.5 million to assist UNHCR operations.

How typical of things here, when criticism is pointed at Japan, open the checkbook and bribe their way out of it!

"Look we ARE helping! ....BS!