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Japan urged to outlaw LGBT+ discrimination before Olympics

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Japan urged to outlaw LGBT+ discrimination before Olympics

Any discrimination need to be outlaw before and after olympics.

12 ( +19 / -7 )

Name one thing that I can do that an LGBT person can't.

You can take a business to court if they fire you because of your sexual orientation. I can't.

I can only marry one adult person over 18, that is not my blood relative and who is registered as the opposite gender.

You can legally marry the person you love; I can't.

The laws already apply uniformly and equally to everyone.

Yes they do; and in doing so, they discriminate against LGBTI people, so the laws need to be changed.

10 ( +19 / -9 )

Aside from some extremely narrow and ineffective rules limiting gender discrimination in the workplace Japan basically has no laws banning discrimination of any kind. It would be nice if they passed such a general law which protected LGBT and also minority groups (like us foreigners) at the same time.

Never gonna happen under Suga, but we can dream.

9 ( +9 / -0 )

Burning Bush; you need to learn the difference between "equality" and "equity".

7 ( +17 / -10 )

"Name one thing that I can do that an LGBT person can't."

Marriage, adoption, blood donation, spousal visas, transgender people are sterilized before transition, no protection against housing or employment discrimination, the list goes on. Do a little research, and you will find numerous ways.

Anyways, I hope Japan updates and improves it's understanding of, treatment, and laws regarding the LGBTQ community.

7 ( +15 / -8 )

Name one thing that I can do that an LGBT person can't.

I read not long ago that gay males can not go to most Japanese love hotels together.

7 ( +7 / -0 )

I feel stories like these are being artificially promoted to the top page to promote clicks and interactions, but oh well.

The article was all over the place tying the 1968 podium protest with 2014 Russian crack down on protests (sexuality agendas were targeted, but it was a larger move towards silencing Putin and Untied Russia's critics.) and moving the timeline up to 2019 and prominent figures who are always in articles like this on this website.

Personally, I don't see any major legal changes in regard to sexuality and gender discrimination before the olympics unless you get an olympic athlete bullying case directly tied to gender or sexuality discrimination in the next 30 days, realistically speaking.

5 ( +7 / -2 )

When those issues are tabled, then society can focus on addressing and hopefully continuing to reject the issues you listed below. Attempting to include LGBQT rights with issues that society more or less views very unfavorably in hopes of creating a slippery slope is disingenuous.

Bungle

They’ll be campaigning for polygamy and consanguineous marriage next.

5 ( +5 / -0 )

It would be the same as the UN resolutions they sign, knowing full well that they will never be implemented at home, much less enforced.

5 ( +5 / -0 )

Totally gay gokai thinks this may not matter. Japan is committing COVID suicide by Olympics. That has to be a historical first.

4 ( +6 / -2 )

Let’s add the need to make racism illegal. That should be high on the agenda, bit isn’t.

4 ( +5 / -1 )

Outlawing is a start but it won't change the mindset, the stigma, and cultural discrimination against the LGBT community. That takes years if not generations of open discussions and good education that sexuality is not limited to being straight.

4 ( +5 / -1 )

I strongly favor anti-discrimination laws in the workplace, after all, what we get up to in our private lives is largely irrelevant in the workplace.

However, given Japan's dire demographics, it is not in the national interest to encourage anything other than normal heterosexual marriage.

Gay people generally will not enter into a heterosexual marriage willingly, so if Japan allows marriage equality it will have various positive effects on national interest:

Gay married couples will remain in Japan and contribute to Japanese society in terms of taxes and the work force. If they are not allowed to marry, then most will simply leave the country and get married, settle, and live in countries where it is legal. This is detrimental to the Japanese workforce.

Married people are happier than single people, and single LGBTQ people have a higher suicide rate than single straight people. So, you would also reduce the suicide rate, which is of national interest, as well as companies as it is very complicated for companies when an employee commits suicide.

Governments invest a lot of money into educating their citizens. This investment is returned when their citizens become adults and pay taxes and contribute to Japanese society. If they leave for other countries, commit suicide, or in other ways do not stay in Japan/contribute to Japan, this also affects Japanese society.

Weddings are quite expensive, and that is money on food, hotels, dresses, decorations, photographers, etc. that could be spent and used to stimulate the economy.

Of course, gay married couples cannot naturally produce children, but through adoption and IVF it is possible for them to create families. These also help Japanese society as adopting takes the burden of supporting orphans from the tax payer onto one family, and IVF is quite expensive and again will stimulate the hospitals, doctors, nurses, drug companies, etc. involved with the process.

So, as you can see "what we get up to in our personal lives" is not irrelevant to national interest or the workplace.

4 ( +5 / -1 )

Not sure why they need this done because of the Olympics. There will be no foreigners coming to see the games so it is not needed as a must have before July 23rd. Of course no one should be discriminated against period. However, Japan is run by the OLD BOYS club so until that changes, nothing else will change.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

Give me one reason not to end discrimination for polygamous couples.

Is that something you think should happen, Burning Bush?

Perhaps you'd like to give us one single example of a country where LGBTI couples can legally marry where any of those things you mention has actually happened?

In the Netherlands, LGBTI marriages have been legal for two decades. They don't allow polygamous marriages there so far; why do you think they would?

There are 29 countries where LGBTI people can marry, so:-

which of them have allowed ploygamous marriages as a result of allowing LGBTI marriages?

which of them allow 3 lovers to marry?

which of them allow Adults to take minors to love hotels?

Please tell us.

We'll wait.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

The Ancient Romans appeared to have a more liberal attitude towards such matters - but their Civilisation collapsed...

If you look at history, mmwkdw, you will see that the Roman Civilisation was a conservative Christian society in which homosexuality, drinking, and the performing arts were banned for 100 years before it collapsed.

Homosexuality had nothing to do with its decline.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

But if you identify as an MAP (Minor Attracted Person), that doesn't mean the rule should be changed.

What does that have to do with LGBTI couples being allowed to legally marry?

2 ( +2 / -0 )

 please explain on what grounds you would deny 3 lovers the right to all marry each other.

They're all adults, all consenting and all in love.

Again; what does that have to do with LGBTI couples being allowed to legally marry?

2 ( +2 / -0 )

Over 50 countries in the world have marriage equality for polygamous couples.

Interestingly, the vast majority of those countries make homosexuality illegal, and in many it is punishable by death.

I think your analogy needs a little work, Burning Bush.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

I may be seen as possibly gay if wedding include gay people

”If gay people can get married, people might think I’m gay if I get married”

I found it. After all these years, I have found the single most laughable defense of discrimination ever uttered by man. Pack it up, homophobes. You will never out-crazy what I just read. You have peaked.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

What’s the point? No foreign spectators...

0 ( +2 / -2 )

A little more info... Homosexuality is a crime in 70 countries. Punishable by death in 13!

Are they going to ban Iran, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Somalia, can you see a patern?, Sudan, UAE, Pakistan....

Talking about ending LGBT discrimination at the Olympics and NOT mentioning this is a complete cop out.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

The biggest point of LGBT in the Olympics should be that homosexuality is illegal in most Muslim countries and punishable by death in 13. The discrimination that occurs in Japan although wrong is nothing compared to this. However, as it involves a religion and culture... it will not be mentioned. As this post will probably be censored as it is a topic that must not be addressed for fear of upsetting that group.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

The biggest crime about LGBT, is thinking that it's not normal and in some cases fighting against it.

Some who drift into LGBT equally drift out - so its not necessarily something that you are born with.

The Ancient Romans appeared to have a more liberal attitude towards such matters - but their Civilisation collapsed...

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Mr KiplingApr. 10 03:28 pm JST

A little more info... Homosexuality is a crime in 70 countries. Punishable by death in 13!

Are they going to ban Iran, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Somalia, can you see a patern?, Sudan, UAE, Pakistan....

Talking about ending LGBT discrimination at the Olympics and NOT mentioning this is a complete cop out.

Of course, politics is politics.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

@Burning Bush

Discrimination...that is the problem. The way they are treated by others.

-1 ( +16 / -17 )

LGBT+ rights were largely swept under the carpet in a culture with strong family-centric attitudes, activists say.

What are "strong family-centric" views? Hasn't the definition of a family is changing in society worldwide, including Japan? The meaning of a family today is not the same as in the 1950's.

-1 ( +7 / -8 )

For those who wish to change the legal definition of marriage,

This sounds like religious fundamentalism, homophobia or bigotry. You should try living life as a lifetime gay couple. But we love each other forever. Most of my straight family members have been divorced two or three times.

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

In several of the competing nations, homosexuality is a crime punishable by death. Surely this would be a better place to start?

Or we could leave all politics of all kinds out of the games and just have sport?

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

I think I will start a petition calling for the Japanese government to make anti-Asian discrimination illegal.

-3 ( +5 / -8 )

I strongly favor anti-discrimination laws in the workplace, after all, what we get up to in our private lives is largely irrelevant in the workplace.

However, given Japan's dire demographics, it is not in the national interest to encourage anything other than normal heterosexual marriage.

-3 ( +7 / -10 )

Very strong lgbt agenda on this site, atleast weekly they push the topic .

100,000 people out of 120,000,000 or more signed a petition ....................seems most people dont seem to have much interest in the topic.

-4 ( +8 / -12 )

Members of the LGBT community are their own worst enemies when it comes to ending discrimination. Perhaps if they kept their private lives to themselves then there wouldn't be anybody opposing them but pushing their victim narrative as being marginalized and oppressed (when in fact they have the same freedoms and opportunities as normal people) is annoying and tiresome to listen to or read about every day.

-4 ( +1 / -5 )

But we love each other forever. 

Over 50 countries in the world have marriage equality for polygamous couples.

All those polygamous couples love each other forever too.

Give me one reason not to end discrimination for polygamous couples.

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

Japan is so far behind, I think the government needs a counseling session with Megan Rapinoe.

-6 ( +6 / -12 )

I think respect is the keyword.

I respect all of my gay friends. What I don't accept is that they put a new definition to a relationship for which I signed a contract representing a lot to me : marriage, with intent to create a family naturally. It is disrespectful to me if some wish I may be seen as possibly gay if wedding include gay people.

I am a supporter of natural creation of kids above adoption or FIV.

I don't want a society that makes equal the buying or artificial creation to the natural creation (Check the movie Gattaca).

If just love is involved, then many of us would like all the law to be adapted to each one of us, with the case of polygamy first and the sky the then next limit.

-7 ( +2 / -9 )

Name one thing that I can do that an LGBT person can't.

I can only marry one adult person over 18, that is not my blood relative and who is registered as the opposite gender.

I may love 2 people, but I can only marry 1. Sure that means I'm denied what I want but that's too bad.

The laws already apply uniformly and equally to everyone.

-8 ( +17 / -25 )

LGBT+ rights were largely swept under the carpet in a culture with strong family-centric attitudes, activists say.

That's prejudice or ignorance about Japanese culture.

-8 ( +6 / -14 )

I am not sure why it is called discrimination. The man made laws and the way society works is largely designed by men and women who were thinking of the family unit which consists of a man and a women and their children. Marriage itself is between a man and a women in what is called holy matrimony. Recently, the Pope indicated that he cannot endorse anything other than the family unit that bare children. That is the plan. The only plan that enables our society to survive. Discrimination is terrible, and there is no excuse for it. However I am not sure why this is discrimination based on the future of the human race and the plan set forth by the one who is greater than we.

"Japan urged to outlaw LGBT+ discrimination before Olympics"

-9 ( +2 / -11 )

For those who wish to change the legal definition of marriage, please explain on what grounds you would deny 3 lovers the right to all marry each other.

They're all adults, all consenting and all in love.

Where is their "equality"?

-9 ( +3 / -12 )

I read not long ago that gay males can not go to most Japanese love hotels together.

Nor can you enter with a minor.

But if you identify as an MAP (Minor Attracted Person), that doesn't mean the rule should be changed.

-10 ( +3 / -13 )

They’ll be campaigning for polygamy and consanguineous marriage next.

-11 ( +7 / -18 )

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