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experts say it is also important to prevent children and parents from experiencing stigma over getting or not getting vaccinated.

The experts are 100% correct.

Children should not be bullied into doing anything they don't want to do.

Discrimination and hate speech is wrong.

9 ( +43 / -34 )

Yes, for kids it’s a no-brainer definitely, leave them kids alone. There is no need to vaccinate children.

13 ( +48 / -35 )

The experts are 100% correct.

All of a sudden you are believing the experts when it comes to Covid?

11 ( +34 / -23 )

To vax or not to vax, that is a no-brainer...

Use it or lose it...

-14 ( +10 / -24 )

My children I will not allow them to get covid vaccine as it’s not killing any children. No need to inject the unknown in children. Especially a potent vaccine that has the potential to cause clots and heart inflammation. Also there are rumors about vaccines causing autism in young children. I’d be concerned too.

-8 ( +37 / -45 )

Discrimination and hate speech is wrong.

invalid discrimination only, if a personal decision has an negative effect on the health or well being of others it may become necessary to treat a person differently in order to avoid those negative effects.

There is no need to vaccinate children.

If vaccinating lowers their risk then yes, there is. Death is not the only negative effect from COVID, and many children are at a much higher risk from the infection. Children are vaccinated already against diseases that kill zero children, COVID would not be anything different.

-11 ( +26 / -37 )

Also there are rumors about vaccines causing autism in young children.

Another person who follows rumors over medical fact. A typical characteristic of anti-vaxxers over the past few decades when it comes to vaccinating children.

3 ( +31 / -28 )

Media fear mongering you to force vaccine on children that is really corrupted

1 ( +38 / -37 )

Even the UK isn't recommending them for children because the risks seem to outweigh the benefits

Members of the government’s expert committee on vaccination remain largely opposed to extending Covid jabs to younger teenagers, despite politicians having signalled they would like to see a shift in the guidance, the Guardian has been told.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/07/jcvi-largely-opposed-to-covid-vaccination-for-children-under-16

Primary vaccination of 5 to 11 year olds

Children aged 5 to 11 years in a clinical risk group (as defined in the Green Book), or who are a household contact of someone who is immunosuppressed (as defined in the Green Book), should be offered two 10 micrograms doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine (Comirnaty®) with an interval of 8 weeks between the first and second doses. The minimum interval between any vaccine dose and recent COVID-19 infection should be 4 weeks.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/jcvi-update-on-advice-for-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-and-young-people/jcvi-statement-on-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-and-young-people-22-december-2021

Why would you put them at risk from something that nobody knows the long-term consequences for no benefit to them? Children shouldn't be used as human shields for adults either, this is a new low for a pathetic, wretched humanity that has lost its mind over the flu (remember: the IFR is about 0.15)

9 ( +38 / -29 )

My son won't be vaccinated at that age. In fact Im starting to feel duped by getting both of my vaccination shots and feeling fully vaccinated now they are talking about 3rd and 4th shots. I'm sure a lot of people are feeling the same.

5 ( +36 / -31 )

Another person who follows rumors over medical fact

No!

Another person who is a loving, caring and responsible parent who takes everything carefully under consideration, before making this very difficult decision to give the vaccine to his or her kids or not.

5 ( +30 / -25 )

@ Monty - anyone who links autism to vaccination is NONE of those things you have mentioned. They are irresponsible and reckless, and need to be called out.

6 ( +33 / -27 )

@klausdorth

are you sure about this: "..... it’s not killing any children."

"Unlike some other countries, there have been no COVID-19 deaths reported among children in the particular age group in Japan"

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105162/japan-patients-detail-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-cases-by-age-and-gender/

So the statement is actually correct, For Japan, but not other countries.

7 ( +21 / -14 )

For those worried about giving the vaccine to your kids: https://www.ncirs.org.au/safety-side-effects-allergies-and-doses-covid-19-pfizer-vaccine-5-11-year-olds-explained

-9 ( +13 / -22 )

There are adjuvants in vaccines that young immune systems don’t really need to be exposed to.

History has shown that young children don’t always fare well with vaccines.

If I had a young child then I would be against it…

7 ( +31 / -24 )

it may become necessary to treat a person differently

Unbelivable!

I can not believe that people are willing to discrimante other people over a vaccine.

(and which so far doesn't show a big help to stop Corona)

if a personal decision has an negative effect on the health or well being of others 

You are contradicting again yourself.

Didn't you agree that the vaccine do not prevent the spread of the virus? So vaccinated people also spread the virus. So the negative effect for the health of others comes from both, the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

Will you also discriminate the vaccinated, if a vaccinated person infects someone?

6 ( +28 / -22 )

@fighto

The point is, if you have to make the decision, to give your kids a new vaccine, which comes to kids for the first time, you are sensitive to everything you read and hear.

If there are rumors, if they come out of thin air or not, parents will and should take them under consideration. Whatever rumor it is.

But, after you investigate about that rumor, and it is shown as BS, then you can delete this from the list of your concern.

After your concern list comes to zero, then you can make the decision to yes to the vaccine.

1 ( +22 / -21 )

History has shown that young children don’t always fare well with vaccines.

Yes Kurisupisu, that is why most children receive all their vaccinations for all other dangerous childhood diseases when they are young. We want to put them more at risk!

"I would like to respect my child's own choice after I give him information including risks, but I also wonder how much he can understand it," said a man in his 30s in Kyoto.

His son will enter an elementary school next spring.

I'm sorry but leaving it up to a 5 or 6 year old to decide if they want a vaccine is the most idiotic thing I have herd. They cannot understand what a vaccine is and does. That is the job of a parent. You make decisions that you feel is in the best interest of your child. In this case, it is to get them vaccinated so they can fend off whatever illnesses they encounter!

6 ( +22 / -16 )

@Monty

Unbelivable!

I can not believe that people are willing to discrimante other people over a vaccine.

Why not? Humans have been discriminating against minorities for thousands of years why would you expect anything to be different now?

-15 ( +13 / -28 )

Why would you put them at risk from something that nobody knows the long-term consequences for no benefit to them? 

Pretending COVID has been infecting people for centuries is just wishful thinking, mRNA vaccines have been used in humans for much longer than COVID have been present, so your argument works much more for vaccines than against them.

Children shouldn't be used as human shields for adults either

They are not, the recommendations are based on scientific studies that indicate a reduction of risk for them, trying to misrepresent the situation as if the vaccines were to protect other people is just misleading and invalid.

My son won't be vaccinated at that age. In fact Im starting to feel duped by getting both of my vaccination shots and feeling fully vaccinated now they are talking about 3rd and 4th shots. I'm sure a lot of people are feeling the same.

Not understanding the value of vaccines and the effect of variants is a terribly bad excuse to criticize the vaccines. Nobody for whom the vaccines are being recommended is worse by being vaccinated,

Another person who is a loving, caring and responsible parent who takes everything carefully under consideration, before making this very difficult decision to give the vaccine to his or her kids or not.

If your bias makes you think unproven rumors and false statements are more reliable than well validated scientific argument then it is not careful consideration, it is just looking for justification to do what you wanted to do from the very beginning.

Media fear mongering you to force vaccine on children that is really corrupted

Try reading the article before making false accusations, blindly calling fear mongering to any information about vaccines only makes it obvious your only interest is in rejecting that information.

I can not believe that people are willing to discrimante other people over a vaccine

Reality shocks those that refuse to accept anything they don't like, but this is nothing new, vaccines, treatments, medical interventions are just one of the many reasons why people can be treated differently because of their decisions that affect others. It is the same that you yourself have supported, the only difference is if you share or not the irrational beliefs of the people being treated differently.

Didn't you agree that the vaccine do not prevent the spread of the virus?

The vaccines do prevent the spread in a limited way, vaccinating do reduce the risk for the person being vaccinated and others, it is the same as using masks, isolating or washing your hands, nothing prevents transmission completely but each measure has its value. When you accuse people of contradicting themselves only according to your own misunderstanding you end up making a false statement.

Will you also discriminate the vaccinated, if a vaccinated person infects someone?

If a person is doing what is recommended to avoid spreading the disease then there is no fault even if transmission happens, because nothing works 100% of the time. The discrimination is about doing their best or not, the same as being sober do not mean a driver is never going to cause an accident, but being drunk is clearly a reason not to let that person drive.

There are adjuvants in vaccines that young immune systems don’t really need to be exposed to.

What adjuvants do you imagine are in the vaccines used in Japan and what are the negative effects compared with the normal exposure people get of antigens and other immune system activating things during their daily life?

-8 ( +23 / -31 )

The point is, if you have to make the decision, to give your kids a new vaccine, which comes to kids for the first time, you are sensitive to everything you read and hear.

The problem with that point is people that get fixated with an idea they read about and will never change their minds even if that idea could be proven completely false, you have been given many resources that prove many of your concerns are false, and instead of deleting those concerns from your list your response is to keep considering those falsehoods as true based on no evidence whatsoever (and tell people to look at the TV to find that evidence themselves). The other problem is when you are given specific concerns you want to ignore, and instead of adding them to your list you simply discard them even if they can be proven with scientific data.

At the end the anti-scientific bias becomes the only parameter to consider things risky or not, if the science says something, believe the opposite. That is not valid and ethically is not acceptable.

-9 ( +20 / -29 )

My wife was convinced by the HPV anti-vax hysteria that gripped Japan, including the government. It was utter nonsense, but it has condemned thousands to death and infertility.

My daughter got herself vaxxed. But don't listen to those without medical training.

-6 ( +16 / -22 )

Unlike some other countries, there have been no COVID-19 deaths reported among children in the particular age group in Japan

Such a bold statement when Japan never tested people properly. Only now are they starting to give free tests and you see cases escalate. What a joke.

-10 ( +12 / -22 )

My kids will most definitely not be getting the vaccine. You have to be nuts to keep taking these shots. I haven't got a single one and I'm fine!

7 ( +25 / -18 )

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/01/heartbreaking-double-vaccinated-13-year-old-boy-new-jersey-dies-suffering-cardiac-arrest/?utm_source=Gab&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

Don’t make the mistake of giving this ‘vaccine’ to your child. Can you honestly live with the guilt of their death, because of a vaccine, for a virus that can be treated without one?

How about you, @virusrex?

If a child dies from a heart attack at 13, after double vaccinating, would you say it’s a risk that needs to be taken?

You don’t hear about adverse reactions here- but it doesn’t mean they aren’t happening. How many comments are removed here, just for stating ( with links) these facts. Censorship is keeping truth from you. Research, don’t believe anyone when it comes to your children.

The jabs are not the answer!

5 ( +25 / -20 )

As a parent of a child in this age group, this is something I'm thinking through carefully. I believe the risks associated with these vaccines is low, but it is not zero. I also believe the risk of serious outcomes from infection with covid is low, but also not zero. The risk/benefit equation is simple for adults and the elderly. It is not so simple with children. Anyone who tells you this is a no brianer decision is not thinking critically.

14 ( +20 / -6 )

Introducing the virus to their bodies in a controlled and tested fashion via vaccination is the way to go. My children will get the shots.

-5 ( +14 / -19 )

It is personal choice, funny how suddenly everyone around want to make decision for me, my kids about my body.

Moreover in Japan bullying at school is a big problem so this experimental vaccine will cause huge problems and might lead to suicide as vaccinated kids will bully others.

2 ( +17 / -15 )

Opinions of the health ministry's panel on vaccinating children aged 5 through 11 remain divided, with some insisting rights to be vaccinated should be ensured, while others remain hesitant to aggressively push forward with the vaccination of young children.

That is a false dichotomy. Giving parents the right to vaccinate their kids does not mean aggressively pushing forward. Parents can still opt not to do it!

I for one, have been waiting for this right too long now. It is being held up by brainless bureaucrats who are either unwilling or unable to read and understand the data on the millions of kids 5-11 that have been vaccinated around the world.

3 ( +14 / -11 )

Don’t make the mistake of giving this ‘vaccine’ to your child. Can you honestly live with the guilt of their death, because of a vaccine, for a virus that can be treated without one?

Making antivaccination appeals using dangerous disinformation is not valid, and it is terribly transparent that your interest is only about opposing vaccines even if that means you have to use manipulated reports not based in science produced by a site well known to push false information repeatedly.

If a child dies from a heart attack at 13, after double vaccinating, would you say it’s a risk that needs to be taken?

the problem is that you blidnly assumes something happening after vaccination MUST be because of the vaccine which is false, what If I bring to you 2 cases of teenagers dying from hearth attacks without any vaccine? would that prove to you that lack of vaccination is what killed them? that is the irrational appeal you are making.

-8 ( +18 / -26 )

virusrexToday  07:06 am JS

If vaccinating lowers their risk then yes, there is. Death is not the only negative effect from COVID, and many children are at a much higher risk from the infection. Children are vaccinated already against diseases that kill zero children, COVID would not be anything different

For kids, the possible side effects outweigh any potential reduction of risk.

According to just recently published article in a scientific journal, “booster” protection against infection is 0-20% after just 2 months. The vaccine does nothing to stop the spread and will never stop this pandemic.

It should only be used for high risk people to prevent death, it is not a tool for curbing infections.

7 ( +20 / -13 )

*I'm thinking through carefully. I believe the risks associated with these vaccines is low, but it is not zero. I also believe the risk of serious outcomes from infection with covid is low, but also not zero. The risk/benefit equation is simple for adults and the elderly. It is not so simple with children. Anyone who tells you this is a no brianer decision is not thinking critically.*

@Fuzzy

Very correct and I 100% agree!

Unfortunately many people are so stuck in a bubble which is completely out of reality, that they will never understand that.

1 ( +14 / -13 )

Moreover in Japan bullying at school is a big problem so this experimental vaccine will cause huge problems and might lead to suicide as vaccinated kids will bully others.

Nobody in the age group 5-11 will kill themselves. I am virtually certain. There is just simply not enough white matter in their brains to contemplate a suicide.

-6 ( +8 / -14 )

Sounds like we have some one from the COVID expert panel cherry picking everything. No valid credentials otherwise all statements are invalid.

Credentials are irrelevant for the argument because it is not based on any appeal of authority, mRNA vaccines have more data about longer times after use than COVID, a kindergarten child saying so would not make it false nor invalid, and completely disqualify your flawed point.

Not even one point is based on any appeal of authority, which makes your whole reply irrelevant. It only helps making obvious you have no actual argument to defend your personal opinion and therefore your only "exit" is to misrepresent anything that disproves you as if it was based on the authority of the person that writes it, even when that was never the case. This is a well known fallacy from people that ran out of arguments.

Moreover in Japan bullying at school is a big problem so this experimental vaccine will cause huge problems and might lead to suicide as vaccinated kids will bully others.

the vaccines are not experimental in Japan, nor they automatically become problematic just because you say it, there are many optional vaccines for children in Japan, how many suicides can you prove are related to families not opting for them?

-10 ( +16 / -26 )

Unfortunately many people are so stuck in a bubble which is completely out of reality, that they will never understand that.

Who would you think is stuck in a bubble? people that can accept the scientific conclusions of the best experts around the world with plenty of data to prove it? or people that absolutely refuse to believe the scientists and base their beliefs in evidence nobody has ever seen but that they supposedly saw at some indeterminate time on TV?

Failing to accept when something can be proved wrong or false is also part of being stuck in a bubble, if your opinion do not change even with evidence that would be a rational explanation of the problem.

-11 ( +13 / -24 )

https://rumble.com/vs3tts-dr.-fauci-corporate-media-and-the-public-health-have-been-lying-about-covid.html?mref=6zof&mc=dgip3&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=The+Gateway+Pundit&ep=1

3 ( +11 / -8 )

people that can accept the scientific conclusions of the best experts around the world with plenty of data to prove it?

@virusrex, the problem is you make it sound like there is absolute consensus amongst the scientific community. That is simply not true. There are plenty of highly credentialed experts that are questioning the the use of these vaccines in children. Not fear mongering and saying the vaccines are highly dangerous, simply questioning the risk/benefit profile in this age group. We don't get to hear from them much because their view gets in the way of the establishment. Politics have taken over. Real science is taking a back seat.

12 ( +22 / -10 )

I do not think that vaccinating kids is necessary.

9 ( +27 / -18 )

there is absolute consensus amongst the scientific community

There is consensus among the medical community that the antivaxxers are creating a huge load on the medical system. That is why if things get bad enough in the future due to these antivaxxers, hospitals might only let vaxxed people in unless they have a real reason NOT to get vaxxed and can prove it- unlike the antivax tennis player Novak who thinks he's is special

-9 ( +12 / -21 )

From the start of the pandemic, the risks from the Covid19 vaccines were greater than from the virus for healthy kids. Now, with Omicron, it is even more senseless to vaccinate them.

6 ( +20 / -14 )

Over my dead body will my children be vaccinated for Covid-19! I have already instructed my eldest child that should they start vaccinating at their school he is immediately to go fetch his younger sibling and inform the school principle to contact his parents immediately. Failing them doing that he is to bring himself and his sibling back home. I will home school my children if they ever make it a requirement in Japan that this vaccine is mandatory to attend school. END OF DISCUSSION!

9 ( +24 / -15 )

I will home school my children if they ever make it a requirement in Japan

OK

0 ( +7 / -7 )

are you sure about this: "..... it’s not killing any children."

Please give us some more information concerning your statement, because it is absolutely wrong!

The only thing that you can say is that COVID doesn't kill as many children as it kills adults.

The number of children killed by the virus is indeed much lower than adults. And among these children, essentially all have other health issues (cystic fibrosis, cancer, diabetes, obesity...)

-4 ( +11 / -15 )

Next door's kid is still in hospital since December 29th after getting Covid at a jollygood Christmas party. He is 14 years old, no underlying health issues, and half of his family are still sick of their party. I guess you would rather have your kids die rather than accepting that vaccines are helpful! The boy got from feverish to blue-fingered within 24 hours, and I wouldn't want that happening to anyone!

You make me sick!

-1 ( +16 / -17 )

Unlike some other countries, there have been no COVID-19 deaths reported among children in the particular age group in Japan, and it is rare for young children to develop severe symptoms caused by the novel coronavirus.

Japan is not special! Japan is just lucky there have been no deaths of children, so far. Children are given a much smaller dose than adults to boost their immune system. It is wise to vaccinate your children. They are at school and in contact with hundreds of other kids every day. The 'possible' side effects of vaccination are nothing compared to catching the virus without an immune system booster vaccination.

-1 ( +14 / -15 )

You have to be nuts to keep taking these shots. I haven't got a single one and I'm fine!

You wanna know what's nuts?

Making a scientific conclusion fom a sample size of ONE.

The smart among us (90% plus) follow the medical experts and get vaxxed.

-1 ( +17 / -18 )

Many are confusing science with scientism. Go to the official source and do not question the science.

5 ( +8 / -3 )

More children are dying of Covid than dying from a Covid vaccine. In the US 600 children have died of Covid and 0 have died from the Covid vaccine.

Getting a child a vaccine is not just about their safety, but the people around them, including parents and grandparents. Imagine a kid infecting their grandparents resulting in death and putting that guilt on them for the rest of their lives?

Obviouly omnicron has changed the game as vaccinated are getting infected at higher rates than before.

There are several vaccines that children receive during infancy, so implying the vaccine is more dangerous for children is factually untrue. People are just regurgitating misinformation from social media created by people with political agendas.

2 ( +17 / -15 )

@virusrex

mRNA vaccines have been used in humans for much longer than COVID have been present

Well Covid-19 has been around for exactly 2 years so not very long. We’re exactly have mRNA vaccines been used extensively and successfully for years and years and are mainstream prior to the current Covid-19 mRNA vaccines currently circulating. List your sources so we can all see their (mRNA) success stories of years and years of main stream use in the world. The truth is there isn’t. The truth is glaringly obvious to anyone that this is the clinical trial for mRNA vaccine technology. It is also a fact that the true data with regards to inoculation incidents with regards to this vaccine have been obfuscated at every turn by all governments who are pushing the vaccine agenda. But as time moves on more and more information is leaking through the seams of government deceit and media collusion to show that it is NOT perfectly safe and the extent and danger that covid-19 itself presents to healthy individuals of ALL ages is literally non existent! If you have a medical condition that may make you susceptible to covid and that risk out ways you being injured by the vaccine, by all means take the vaccine. If not, why on earth would you risk an adverse event from a vaccine which has not gone through the proper clinical trial process. Anyone saying this vaccine has is a pure, blatant and deceitful lie. Touting such nonsense is dangerous!

6 ( +18 / -12 )

As soon as I saw the title I was sure the antivaxxer crowd would assemble to make personal attacks and link to disinformation sites to convince anybody naive enough to believe them about the horrors of children killing vaccines.

I am disappointed to the core to see I was completely right. Even the lame autism relationship appeared.

-5 ( +13 / -18 )

@ Virusrex

What adjuvants do you imagine are in the vaccines used in Japan and what are the negative effects compared with the normal exposure people get of antigens and other immune system activating things during their daily life?

It is not necessary to ‘imagine’ anything is it?

I have posted this before and the adjuvants used are common knowledge.

No imagination required.

I might suggest that you do your own research.

Also, if a substance is harmful and we add more of that substance into the body, regardless of it being naturally occurring or present in the environment then it does not prove that the substance is safe.

I would hope that is not the position that you are taking since it is built on sand….

3 ( +13 / -10 )

just wondering how must feel parents who wants supply own children to make them part of this experiment...

-2 ( +11 / -13 )

Interesting thread this one - of course dominated by some our more animated posters.

Nibek32 posts one of the first comments above in my opinion.

To me, it seems the majority of anti-vaxxers just don't like this idea of Pfizer or Moderna making any money from these truly amazing vaccines that have been granted to us. They also seem to grasp on straws like Robert Malone. I've watched some of his interviews. Does the bloke come across as normal to anyone? Can anyone take this bearded paranoid person seriously? Especially when he's being goaded by someone like Joe Rogan of all people? He's just a bitter middle aged man who played a SMALL part in the development of MRNA tech, that has failed to profit from this and wish that he had!

Or, They are scared of needles. I am terrified of needles, but didn't stop me having this vaccine, and won't stop me having the booster.

Also @Raw Beer - its 'ok' that these children with underlying conditions have died is it? Sure, they may have had Cancer - but what if they were 2 or 3 treatments away from remission and you as a parent had stopped them having the vaccine earlier, that might have seen them thorough contracting COVID and dying? You are SURE you are fine with that? That's an acceptable loss is it? You frighten me quite frankly.

-2 ( +14 / -16 )

and - I meant to say that Nibek32 posted one of the FINEST comments!

-5 ( +10 / -15 )

@kurispis

I have posted this before and the adjuvants used are common knowledge.

For personal reasons I had to research use of adjuvants for the vaccines used in Japan, fortunately none is used:

https://en.adioscorona.org/questions-reponses/2021-02-17-adjuvants-vaccins-arn-covid.html

If your problem with the vaccines are the adjuvants then you have no problem with the COVID vaccines used in Japan.

-4 ( +4 / -8 )

There was NO Covid vaccine at the start of the Pandemic!

There was actually. It had already been developed by DARPA in January 2020.

2 ( +8 / -6 )

So many irresponsible parents here, you don't want to vaccinate your kids? Cool, home school them, and take care of them once they get sick, because it's obvious that you don't want to put your trust in the hands of professionals. What is the anti-vax group doing about this epidemic? Right, nothing, just spreading distrust and confusion and running to the nearest hospital when their kids or themselves are getting sick. You call vaccinated people sheep.....I see it different, I see a lot of lost sheep walking around waiting till it all blows over without taking action. Wake up call; This isn't going to blow over.

-4 ( +11 / -15 )

here was actually. It had already been developed by DARPA in January 2020.

That's not quite true now is it (we have to base this on vaccines in public circulation) @PharaohChromium - although their research was quite brilliant, but I would expect something nothing less when it was entirely US government funded, the same very people YOU tell us we cannot trust. It's yet another 'interesting' but not unexpected retort from an anti-vaxxer.

-3 ( +5 / -8 )

Japanese kids have been lucky so far. This is not to say they will not catch the virus. This virus has been mutating and has so far created five specific strains. There is no evidence to suggest future mutations won’t target children.

It took 8 years for the Spanish flu to mutate to a recoverable strain of influenza. It killed up to a million people worldwide in the days before penicillin and vaccines. The Spanish flu, SARS and Covid are very similar N1 H1 A strains of influenza. It is highly likely Covid will also mutate itself to a relatively harmless strain of influenza, but that could take many years. The only defense is to boost your immune system with a vaccine to avoid the more serious symptoms of this virus. This includes children.

-2 ( +6 / -8 )

Japanese parents weigh pros, cons of having their children vaccinated

It's good to weigh the pros and the cons.

6 ( +10 / -4 )

I would wager that about 50% of the population no longer believes in science. At least that is what it looks like from where I am sitting. Objective fact has nothing to do with your feelings or your beliefs. If you are not looking towards peer reviewed scientific data for the basis of your assertions, you have no right to participate in the conversation.

0 ( +6 / -6 )

as father of 3 there is nothing to talk or think about.

i am sorry but we will leave our jabs for others in line.

10 ( +19 / -9 )

Over my dead body will my children be vaccinated for Covid-19! I have already instructed my eldest child that should they start vaccinating at their school he is immediately to go fetch his younger sibling and inform the school principle to contact his parents immediately. Failing them doing that he is to bring himself and his sibling back home. I will home school my children if they ever make it a requirement in Japan that this vaccine is mandatory to attend school. END OF DISCUSSION!

That's dangerous!

Why would you send them to school in the first place?

Don't you know they teach science in there?

-1 ( +13 / -14 )

I would wager that about 50% of the population no longer believes in science.

No, most people believe in science (!), it's just that they see no need to post "I believe in science" all over the internet every day, unlike the conspiracy theorists and crackpots on the other side.

-4 ( +9 / -13 )

Unlike some other countries, there have been no COVID-19 deaths reported..

'Reported' being the taboo subject

1 ( +5 / -4 )

"I'm not happy about that," he said. "I had COVID at some point, I've got antibodies, and I've been working on COVID ICU since the beginning.

"I have not had a vaccination, I do not want to have a vaccination. The vaccines are reducing transmission only for about eight weeks for Delta, with Omicron it's probably less.

"And for that, I would be dismissed if I don't have a vaccine? The science isn't strong enough."

Words of consultant anaesthetist at King's College Hospital.

Like others have said, the science is NOT settled.

0 ( +6 / -6 )

It's good to weigh the pros and the cons.

Exactly!

This here has nothing to do with Pro Vax or Anti Vax.

The topic here is that parents have to make a difficult decision.

But you have a split community here :

The Pro Vaxer and the Anti Vaxer.

And both are fanatics.

There Is no in between.

But clever, loving, caring and responsible parents should vague the pro and cons from both sides.

And then decide what is best for your kids.

*
2 ( +7 / -5 )

Getting a child a vaccine is not just about their safety, but the people around them, including parents and grandparents. Imagine a kid infecting their grandparents resulting in death and putting that guilt on them for the rest of their lives?

But getting a vaccine does not stop you catching or spreading the virus, so this makes no sense.

6 ( +11 / -5 )

My child will not be vaccinated. I am double vaccinated and regret it, since evidence now shows natural immunity (having had covid previously) is much stronger. Child has antibodies through breastmilk.

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"If the infections spread, peer pressure to vaccinate kids would increase. I'm afraid I might be criticized if I hesitate," she said.

That's not a good reason.

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Getting Covid-19 (SARS COV-2) offers you natural immunity (for a good 50 years or more, as does SARS COV-1) so if another variant comes up in the future, you shouldn't need to keep getting jabs. There are no studies of the long-term health risks of the vaccines, especially the MRNA vaccines. In fact, the vaccines train the immune system to target the original ALPHA variant, while natural immunity, any variant is targeted. There is also growing concern about what the spike proteins do to the reproductive system, especially female ovaries. I really don't think there is any urgent need to give children a vaccine they don't need.

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@Wobot

the IFR is about 0.15)

What is your source for this ? Is this for the wild form back in 2020 or for the Omicron variant ? (I may believe the latter). Thank you in advance.

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It seems there are a lot of confused people here commenting that lack basic understanding.

1) vaccine does not prevent infection

2) vaccine does not prevent infection

3) vaccine does not prevent infection

Please read them until you understand. Taking a vaccine has NOTHING to do with “protecting grandparents or relatives”.

Also to the people fear mongering, please read the stats. For kids, 0.003% chance of anything serious.

1 ( +10 / -9 )

My child will not be vaccinated. I am double vaccinated and regret it, since evidence now shows natural immunity (having had covid previously) is much stronger. Child has antibodies through breastmilk.

Vaccine is to help prevent getting infected in the first place and if infected anyway, help not get severe symptoms.

If you survive then you get your coveted natural immunity, if not, you die.

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JBigs. If your child has Covid antibodies through Breast milk, Then I assume that you will not be vaccinating your child against measles, diphtheria, Meningitis etc.?

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I agree that if you have to make a decision, to give your children a new vaccine, which is given to children for the first time, you are sensitive to everything you read and hear.

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“I'm afraid I might be criticized if I hesitate,"…..all worry about the child’s health gone in a heart beat because of the fear of being criticised.

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Getting Covid-19 (SARS COV-2) offers you natural immunity (for a good 50 years or more, as does SARS COV-1) so if another variant comes up in the future, you shouldn't need to keep getting jabs. There are no studies of the long-term health risks of the vaccines,

Can you post the link to the study you based this long term protection from?

I'm just curious to what degree if true because covid reinfections are not unheard of

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But she recently felt a change in public sentiment with respect to vaccinating kids after the emergence of the Omicron variant, considered highly transmissible.

"If the infections spread, peer pressure to vaccinate kids would increase. I'm afraid I might be criticized if I hesitate," she said.

If anything, I'd be less willing to vaccinate my kids if the Omicron variant is indeed weaker as expected. Not sure why peer pressure would increase if everyone has it. Not that they would know they had it anyway, unless they start testing at schools (fat chance).

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@weiwei

It was never claimed the vaccine “prevents” Covid. It has claimed and been proven to lower the risk of getting infected and greatly lower the risk of a serious case and death. Unvaccinated are dying at 13x the rate of unvaccinated.

This claim has been proven over and over in real life use of these vaccines. Follow the data, not the politics.

-2 ( +6 / -8 )

Vaccine is to help prevent getting infected in the first place and if infected anyway, help not get severe symptoms.

If you survive then you get your coveted natural immunity, if not, you die.

Of course, if you prefer,you can gamble on getting infected without vaccine protection.

Same thing applies, if you survive you get your coveted natural immunity, if not , you die.

Difference is, chances of you dying without vaccine protection is many times over, and if you do survive, the chances of you having a debilitating condition of some kind is also many over

-2 ( +5 / -7 )

Do you know how they calculate the relative chances of dying of people with or without vaccinations?

It's simple, they just count the number of dead bodies due to covid with or without vaccinations in their medical records.

Pretty straightforward, not rocket science.

Last time I checked there were 11 times more unvaccinated dead bodies compared to vaccinated, probably less now, which is good

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I am deeply distrubed by the number of people willing to risk their childrens', and other's, lives by not getting vaccinated and by the continual misinformation regarding this pandemic.

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There are many issues involved here, including the severity of the virus. Many seem to believe Covid is far more serious than it actually is. Omicron is weaker than previous variants, which did not lead to any child deaths in Japan. I cannot recall any times when we have wanted a certain section of the population to undergo a medical procedure for something which has had zero fatalities.

The evidence shows that Covid is no more of a threat to a child of these ages than the flu, less o and more now Omicron is the main variant.

if parents believe their children should be vaccinated, fine go ahead, if the don’t want them vaccinated, fine, don’t do it.

-1 ( +8 / -9 )

My main worry would be my children getting the virus and then giving it to their grandparent(s).

But, if Omicron risk is low for even them, maybe they don't need the vaccine.

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