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gaijinfo
The Return of Mothra.
nath
This article's title sounds like the tagline of a horror film.
Disillusioned
Too soon to jump to conclusions? I think the results of their tests are pretty damn conclusive. There is no doubt that many species of fauna and flora have been effected by radiation. But, nuclear power is a good thing, right? Wrong!
kurisupisu
Unfortunately,it is reality of life here in Japan. The effects of radiation are, contrary to what Japanese researchers state, widely known. Chernobyl and Bikini atoll examples abound with graphic examples demonstrating the dangers. Unbelievably, it is national policy to transport and burn radioactive debris thus leading to the contamination of the whole of Japan. What kind of illogical deranged mind could possibly wish to increase the possibilities of genetic malformation in their own children? That is the horror story here!
Harry_Gatto
Exactly where is radioactive debris being burnt?
Alphaape
I wonder if there has been any increased incidents in birth defects related to this? I know it was only over a year ago, but that is enough time for women who may have gotten pregnant aftwards to may have suffered some affects. I hope that there isn't, but I also hope that if there were some increase in childhood cancers and other issues that could be related to this incident, that the J-Gov does the right thing and let the public know and not try to hide it.
kibousha
Apparently the same author released a paper a while back saying that this species of butterflies has only recently migrated to northern Japan (up to aomori), because of the recent rise of temperature in the Kanto area. They seemed to have been observing a rise in abnormalities on these butterflies in the norther area of Japan ever since, even before the nuclear crisis.
Source: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/10/252
LAcajun
As a small boy in the USA the only thing I knew about Japan was "GODZILLA" me and my friends used to play being attacked... Maybe it won't turn out to have been just kids games.
tokyokawasaki
Whatever they admit or release to the public, you just know it is going to be at least 3~5 times worse...
blackbagger
No surprise. After Chernobyl many scientific studies have been made in the surrounding areas. It's pure luck which species get affected and how much, but radiation can and does cause serious problems and can lead to loads of birth defects and abnormalities. My guess is we'll first see more and more oddities in the plant and insect world (as we are seeing now), followed by smaller animals and then up and up to the big ones like us, deer and livestock. It's only a matter of time. I don't think we'll ever see huge affects far from the plants, but in Fukushima prefecture itself nothing would surprise me.
susano
but there is no immediate health risk.....
Thomas Anderson
The repercussions of this is horrifying. We are artificially messing with mutation and evolution.
See basroil? This is what I meant when I said that nuclear radiation destroyed DNAs... It causes gene deletions and mutations.
John Constantine
So if Mothera is back then it is only a matter of time till we see Godzilla and that means he will be headed to Tokyo...after all those are his favorite stomping grounds.
nath
Poor butterflies... Just goes to show that the area is not safe. I think even Tokyo is affected, but the Japanese government is not revealing all the facts. This could lead to lawsuits later.
taj
"The effects of radiation are, contrary to what Japanese researchers state, widely known. Chernobyl and Bikini atoll examples abound with graphic examples"
Do you think Japan has no experience of radiation? What were the impacts on the surrounding flora and fauna of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
meandmybigmouth
One of them bit me! And now I am the butterfly man!
Mark_McCracken
The absence of the name TEPCO in this article is unfair. The mutations were not caused by Fukushima, but by the source of the radiation. A better headline would read "TEPCO radiation caused mutant butterflies, say scientists"
basroil
Most transforming species including moths and flies are likely affected, but because they tend to turn to goo before becoming something else. Interestingly, the researchers have refused to state what abnormalities were found other than slightly smaller wings and eye issues. None of those abnormalities seem to affect the ability of the butterflies to reproduce, and thus the mutations carry over.
The DNA is never "destroyed", rather certain genes are turned off while others turned on. Considering that the amount of affected butterflies increased with a non-affected partner, it seems likely that it is some sort of generic feature already latent in the butterflies (either a recessive gene was activated doubly for them, or a dominant gene was introduced).
Thomas Anderson
Here we go, yet another basroil re-interpretation of the event.
basroil
What are you talking about? Here you go again, talking about things you know nothing about... Perhaps "destroyed" is a bit hyperbolic. But it is true that if a double-strand break occurs when the radiation passes through the DNA, then it incorrectly repairs itself and that causes mutations and hence it basically is deleted from the code. Or maybe the whole cell can die especially when the irradiation is strong enough.
http://www.rerf.jp/radefx/basickno_e/radcell.htm
smithinjapan
Don't worry, peeps. I'm sure Edano will say it's not harmful to the butterflies.
kurisupisu
@basroil
Your post has doesn't seem to be rooted in any sort of fact. You might want to google Chernobyl deformities so that you can see firsthand what is coming.....
bicultural
Let me know when they find ninja turtles.
SpeakJaplish
My speed reading technique automatically skips all posts by Basroil. Enjoy your Mugi cha, etc. Butterflies...and the list grows. Glad I was finally able to get out last month. My family has been out since March 12, 2011. For those who can't leave, shop at Costco.
bookowls
Pictures - or it didn't happen. And where is the link to the findings?
basroil
kurisupisuAug. 15, 2012 - 12:50PM JST
This is Fukushima, Chernobyl is off topic due to a 10x difference in radiation.
Thomas Anderson
http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/120809/srep00570/full/srep00570.html
kibousha
As with everything else, I try to get as much info as possible, so I went to various Japanese forums/blogs/websites. The author of the nature paper above is Mr. Otaki, he is actually a homeopathy specialist, and has been quoted saying things like "statistically speaking, immunization never work", and that his methods on this butterfly research is questionable ... not sure if the Japanese public are in denial or what, but it seems that they are trying to discredit him with the above facts.
basroil
kiboushaAug. 15, 2012 - 03:44PM JST
That is something interesting. I guess he hasn't seen polio wiped from civilized countries and TB also mostly gone.
Here's an interesting thing they had though:
200-320 microSv/h was used, where the highest recorded rates outside of the plant limits were a third of that, and outside the primary exclusion zone is a tenth. That's like saying that you should test the toxicity effects of poison by making it ten times stronger, of course you will get results that are exaggerated.
Interestingly, they even state that the damage was likely not prominently DNA in the radiation affected area samples:
And state that the genetic changes were usually minor if even present:
While you cannot discredit an article due to a single author of many, it can raise suspicions. The fact that they didn't take into account internal sources was probably the biggest issue, as larva eat quite a bit of leaves, which happen to also be the most contaminated section of the ecosystem.
nath
You aren't seen anything yet....although they are the first biota to openly show visible undisputable radiation effects, butterflies are not the only living things in the fukushima ecosystem......
Alita Schratwieser
Thanks for providing evidence that the same mutations were already occurring, was an interesting read.
Thunderbird2
@gaijinfo
That's exactly the first thing that popped into my head when I saw the headline. Rather than damaged eyes I was expecting to read about a 200m span fiant butterfly heading for a south pacific island inhabited by dancing natives and tiny twins.
On a more serious note, I'm assuming this mutation was caused by the caterpillars eating irradiated grass and other plant matter?
basroil
Thunderbird2Aug. 15, 2012 - 05:43PM JST
As I have stated, the authors specifically state that they do not consider that in their current findings.
nath
For mohra we will need 2 beauties preferably twins.
Robert Roo
Ninja mutant butterflies!
Guza!
least its not muntant turtles xD