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Because that sounds much better than 'radiation up and exports down'.

5 ( +11 / -6 )

With the recent news that 80% of the radiation counters were busted I wonder where he gets his info.

Wasnt this incident supposedly larger than Tsjernobyl? Everyone from the j-gov keeps saying that its safe its safe. I dont believe it until they bring some solid untampered proof from a 3rd or 4th party that is not bribed.

11 ( +13 / -2 )

Just the small matter of the occasional discharge of tritium-laden decontaminated water from the filtration system, when the 1,000 tanks start getting to capacity again.

8 ( +9 / -1 )

I would have previously accept a statement but after the story that many of the radiation monitoring stations had defects since 2015 I would now seriously have to question the statement by the governor. Also the government will remove all the devices in 2020.

"Some 3,000 radiation monitoring devices installed in Fukushima Prefecture after the 2011 nuclear accident have been hit by glitches and other problems nearly 4,000 times"

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20180520/p2g/00m/0dm/087000c

8 ( +10 / -2 )

I love the peaches. I do not care if they contaminate me. I will continue to buy them.

-8 ( +4 / -12 )

^^^^And there it is. Total disregard of one's health. Seems very Japanese to dismiss what can't be seen.

6 ( +9 / -3 )

He can say whatever he likes, but until an independent international organization inspects radiation levels and gives the ok on any produce from Fukushima I will not believe anything any Japanese politician says.

4 ( +8 / -4 )

Do the hustle

independent international organization inspects radiation levels and gives the ok on any produce from Fukushima I will not believe anything any Japanese politician says.

There are many citizen groups measuring the radiation levels. The largest group is SafeCast. There are also mother groups providing a free service to people who want to measure the radiation contamination in foods. There are the Fishery and Farm Co-ops providing measurements.

8 ( +8 / -0 )

I still avoid anything from Fukushima.

I do not trust the government.

Waiting for the next mislabeling scandal though.

2 ( +7 / -5 )

Zichi:

Citizen groups are important, but are they not from japan? The co-op has a vested interest. Where is the UN radiation team and their equipment to verify?

0 ( +4 / -4 )

There are many citizen groups measuring the radiation levels. The largest group is SafeCast.

Oh, let's forget about them and keep complaining about no independent testing while repeating ad nauseam "I don't trust the government"...

-6 ( +2 / -8 )

I'm the kind who WANTS to buy Fukushima products. But I also say, trust, but verify. I need to make sure stuff is safe, then I buy.

1 ( +2 / -1 )

Amazing!

It only takes 7 years to recover from several reactors melting down and the melted fuel vanishing from sight.

‘Recovery proclamations’ do not explain where the radiation is, the strength,the present effects etc.

Gov Uchibori is either simple minded or hopelessly mislead........

7 ( +8 / -1 )

juminRhee

Zichi:

Citizen groups are important, but are they not from japan? The co-op has a vested interest. Where is the UN radiation team and their equipment to verify?

But they are. If you take sometime searching online you will find Fukushima citizens groups, There are several. Some are measuring the levels in the environment others are providing free services for people to measure the radiation in foods. SafeCast was started by foreigners but they are based in Tokyo and probably the most extensive of all the citizen groups. They also have Japanese members. Visit their website. Yes, the food and fish co-ops all have vested interests but their readings are better than no readings. Why would you even trust a UN monitoring unit, and the UN arm would be the IAEA which have already failed the country.

4 ( +6 / -2 )

Zichi - I know of these groups, but they are also trying to promote their own produce and/or promote their businesses in the area. Of course they are less likely to lie, but they are also more likely to disguise the truth. One of my friends sold his house in Tonegawa (about 100k south/west of the fukushima plant) because he had alarming radiation levels in the gutters of his house and in the open drains in the street. The spread of radiation from this disaster is far more widespread than the government, the media and public groups are prepared to admit. And, cesium takes hundreds of years to breakdown in the environment. - I’m not saying they are lying, but they are definitely protecting their own interests.

2 ( +6 / -4 )

The spread of radiation from this disaster is far more widespread than the government, the media and public groups are prepared to admit.

Yeah, and your proof for that is? Nowadays every Jack and Jill can purchase a very good radiation measurement device and try to prove the government wrong. And many people do it. Where are their parallel sets of measurements demonstrating this catastrophic radiation spread?

There are also circles with strong interests in spreading fake news about Japan, with the hope of damaging its economy (China nad S. Korea agricultural. exporters is one example). Are you sure you're not part of them?

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

Also, many people don't know, but the background radiation levels in many Asian and European countries was historically significantly (many times) higher than what it is now in Fukushima. Think about this for a second.

-4 ( +2 / -6 )

Here, suck on this candy for a while:

http://www.ifs.tohoku.ac.jp/edge/radiation/Amount%20of%20radiation%20around%20the%20world%20sep%2008,2011%20EN.pdf

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

There are hot particles all over Japan from Hokkaido to Kyushu-the report showing this can be bought from:

Sciencedirect.com

it shows a significant amount of radioactive contamination over all of Japan......

0 ( +2 / -2 )

Generalization's and over generalizations of Fukushima radiation levels serve the purpose of no one seeking an accurate picture.

When the nuclear disaster happened in 20011 a large part of Fukushima and other prefectures were contaminated. Fortunately, much of it was blown out to the sea, probably at least 80% of the released radiation went out to sea. Think what would have happened if it had not,

Fukushima is a large prefecture and the part west of Fukushima City escaped large areas of contamination. The main contamination was and still is within the 20km and 30 km exclusion zones from the site of the nuclear disaster. A large volume of radioactive contaminated water was also released into the ocean.

The legal radiation limit for Japan is 1 millisieverts per year. In Fukushima that level was 20 millisieverts per year but even 20 millisieverts is still low.

The radiation levels in contaminated area have been reduced with the removal of the millions of tons of top soil, cleaning of river banks and house roof tops gutters and drains. The mountain areas remain largely untouched.

There are three types of designated contaminated areas. Areas which are contaminated but within the 20 millisieverts allowing people to return. Areas greater than 20 millisieverts but likely to fall below the 20 millisiverts level in the near future. Finally areas with high contamination levels and unlikely people will ever be able to return.

Do the hustle

Zichi - I know of these groups, but they are also trying to promote their own produce and/or promote their businesses in the area. Of course they are less likely to lie, but they are also more likely to disguise the truth.

I think it would be better for the people on this forum if you posted actual facts rather than just heresy. If you think a citizen monitoring group are not doing what they claim then at least name the group and also a website link if possible.

One of my friends sold his house in Tonegawa (about 100k south/west of the fukushima plant) because he had alarming radiation levels in the gutters of his house and in the open drains in the street. 

I find that every difficult to believe because the greater amount of land based contamination went NW from the plant. But radiation hotspots was discovered in some parts of Tokyo, Chiba, Yokohama.

What are "alarming radiation levels?"

The spread of radiation from this disaster is far more widespread than the government, the media and public groups are prepared to admit. And, cesium takes hundreds of years to breakdown in the environment. - 

That I dismiss totally. Sounds more like conspiracy than reality. I have read and watch the nuclear disaster very closely but I also avoid all the conspiracy theories like how half the world will die from cancers from the Fukushima radiation. It was much lower than the levels released at Chernobyl.

The radiation level in Fukushima City is lowered than many capitals in this region and even lower than London and New York.

But there are still large areas which have very high levels of radiation especially in the areas around the nuclear disaster site.

I have always and continue to trust SafeCast.

2 ( +5 / -3 )

Radiation Map

http://jciv.iidj.net/map/

Safecast

https://blog.safecast.org

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/03/09/national/radiation-monitoring-group-formed-fukushima-nuclear-disaster-now-source-global-data/#.Ww_7nC-B1TY

Fukushima moms don lab coats to measure radiation in food, sand and soil

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/03/17/national/fukushima-moms-don-lab-coats-measure-radiation-food-sand-soil/#.Ww_8mi-B1TY

5 ( +5 / -0 )

Believe nothing this government tells you. It is all lies!

-2 ( +5 / -7 )

Wasn't Fukushima supposed to have been way bigger a disaster than Chernobyl ?

All I know about Chernobyl is what a recent BBC documentary showed, basically that no one lives there, its a Ghost town. So why not Fukushima ?

0 ( +2 / -2 )

mmwkdw

Wasn't Fukushima supposed to have been way bigger a disaster than Chernobyl ?

You must know the radiation spread from Chernobyl and reached Wales and Scotland in Britain and until about two years ago farmers from those countries were banned from selling their livestock to market without having them tested for radiation contamination first. All the lands and waters from Ireland's west coast to Chernobyl received varying levels of radiation.

Chernobyl released  5200 petabecquerels. Fukushima 800 petabecquerels.

Over 572 million people among 40 different countries got at least some exposure to Chernobyl radioactivity.

http://www.sciencefocus.com/article/physics/head-head-fukushima-v-chernobyl

4 ( +4 / -0 )

Zichi partly answered that above, mmwkdw, by pointing out that despite three meltdowns, much of the radioactivity was blown out into the Pacific. (Fukushima luckily sits on the coast with SW trade winds.)

Chernobyl is landlocked, and the radiation blew all around Europe. Some hotspots in Finland, Scotland etc., even today make agriculture inadvisable.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

nandakandamanda

Zichi partly answered that above, mmwkdw, by pointing out that despite three meltdowns, much of the radioactivity was blown out into the Pacific. (Fukushima luckily sits on the coast with SW trade winds.)

The experts stated that about 80% of the Fukushima released radiation blew out to sea. The other 20% was 800 petabecquerels.

100% would have been 4,000 petrabecquerels less than Chernobyl but certainly far worse than what happened.

1 ( +2 / -1 )

Yeah it's them petabecquerels that's got me worried.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

But Fukushima is not over.

Chernobyl was covered with lead and concrete but Fukushima’s melted fuel is still not contained and if ever collected, where is it to be stored?

Wait!

There are presently amazing plans afoot to use radioactive debris for road building.

We’ll just need thicker shoe soles and watch where We’re walking....

0 ( +2 / -2 )

Well I guess everything is back to normal again. "Oh did you see the 2-headed pig walking around my house the other day?"

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

But Chernobyl is not over it will take at least another 20,000 years. Covered with a sarcophagus.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Can't we discuss this after the Olympics are over?

0 ( +0 / -0 )

I would like to know why the meltdown has not continued. Shouldn't the material have been consumed by the mantle already?

1 ( +1 / -0 )

Yes, Chernobyl has been covered but is still radioactive.

However, Fukushima is not contained and every time it rains more and more nuclear material is spewed into the sea.....

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Haruka, there are no sensors down there, so no-one can say exactly how far the meltdowns went and if they have actually stopped moving completely or not. A Muon sensor was brought in to try and form a shadow of where the corium might be located in No.1 reactor vessel.  The corium in 1, 2 and 3 seems to have melted firstly through the RPV reactor pressure vessels, and then dropped and eaten partway through the concrete casing, the PVC primary containment vessel. I guess the fact that they are underwater has helped keep them cool.

See Wiki for a detailed history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster

"Core meltdowns. The amount of damage sustained by the reactor cores during the accident, and the location of molten nuclear fuel ("corium") within the containment buildings, is unknown; TEPCO has revised its estimates several times."

1 ( +1 / -0 )

@ebisen

which part of Japan do you live in?

0 ( +0 / -0 )

Outside the reactor buildings and some parts of the TEPCO-terrain, it is normal.

Some of the clean-up was too much.

They thought of giving comfort, but in most minds it turnedto it must be bad then.

This is mostly psychology, the opinion of random or anti are more excepted then science and technical explanations.

Only the reactorbuilding are not yet a fully stable area, with care and time to make it workable.

There where 3 meltdowns, 2 buildings had collapsed roofs through hydrogen explosions.

That actually counts to the effectiveness of a 50 year old design that was underperformed by TEPCO's stupidity of the tsunami wall and some other advices that would have helped.

It withstoods the gigantic earthquake, not the tsunami unscaved.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

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