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Advocates want national legislation to protect LGBT individuals from being outed

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How is banning of outing supposed to actually stop or prevent such things from happening in the first place? A ban is only a symbolic legislative gesture, nothing more. There are many ways to out a person and in an anonymous fashion especially on the internet.

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A ban is only a symbolic legislative gesture, nothing more

By your logic, all laws are.

I’m not sure why you would expect this law to be proactive in contrast to all other laws.

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The problem I have with laws like this is that they privilege a specific group while denying equal protection to those who are fundamentally in the same position but are less vocal and lack well-funded advocacy organisations.

If a heterosexual Japanese man is outed by his employer as having a sexual preference exclusively for white women, or older women, or women in wheelchairs, how is that fundamentally different from revealing that he has a sexual preference for other men? All four of these categories (gender, race, age, disability) are immutable characteristics. Why should the law only protect the revealing of a gender preference when no sexual preference can be consciously controlled or changed?

Revealing a gender preference might damage a man's ability to work and interact with male co-workers, but revealing a preference for a particular race, age, or disability can equally damage relationships with female co-workers who didn't expect to be the exclusive target of a male co-worker's sexual desire. If we want to go down this road, let's outlaw maliciously revealing of any sexual preference and not privilege just one particular preference like gender.

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while I can understand some people wishing to keep their sexuality (for want of a better word) secret, from various people, and for various reasons.... still, tryingg to hide doesn't make the problem go away....

a) 9% (ish) of let's say those between the ages of 15 and 65, is MILLIONS of people, so rather than try to hide, better that everyone 'comes out'... a campaign to normalize people who don't fit some imaginary 'norm'....

b) though this sort of thing tends to be tied to the gender-alphabet-soup-group, what about: those who cheat on their spouses, the MANY men who are into T-girl porn, people who are into bondage, CP, scat, and all manner of activities. how come these aren't included in such 'initiatives'? presumably these people are secretive about their 'preferences'. too.

c) the more of this type of legislation, the more the stereotypes, the secrecy, the fear of outing are reinforced.

d) as I pointed out last time this issue cropped up here, if the 'outing' is anonymous, what then?

just some food for thought

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If their sexuality is Normal as they keep trying to tell us it is , why are they worried about being Outed, seems like hypocrisy.

Gay is normal isnt it ? Whats the problem with being outed then ?

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revealing a preference for a particular race, age, or disability can equally damage relationships with female co-workers who didn't expect to be the exclusive target of a male co-worker's sexual desire. 

Are there any examples of this happening - of it leading to a firing or a suicide - or is it just made-up whataboutery aimed at taking away attention from the actual, real problem of malicious outing of the LGBTQ+ community?

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While you should be able to come out when you want to and in your own way, it also shouldn't be some big secret. I would like to think enough of us are mature enough to handle things like this in 2020. But it doesn't only affect members of the LGBT. I would love for Chris to have let me tell Judy that I liked her back in the 3rd grade instead of him taking that chance from me.

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One out of 11 people in Japan say that they are lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender or "other," according to a 2018 survey

Nonsense. It's probably more like 1 out of 111.

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As a gay man myself, I think this is absolutely ridiculous. Completely missing the mark.

Enforce existing discrimination laws or tighten them, but don't legislate the spreading of the truth.

If you're gay, somebody tells your boss and the boss discriminates against you, the boss (and maybe the company - depends on the case) should be held accountable. If coworkers bully you because of your sexuality (or whatever reason!), THEY should be held accountable - not the person who told them the fact.

If you're gay and you REALLY don't want anybody to know, don't tell ANYONE. Otherwise just get on and live your life. If unfairly and illegally discriminated against, take action. If it's nothing serious, take it on the chin and know there's many more good people than bad ones.

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If their sexuality is Normal as they keep trying to tell us it is , why are they worried about being Outed, seems like hypocrisy.

Gay is normal isnt it ? Whats the problem with being outed then ?

It is normal, and there is still a stigma about it for many people. This isn't a contradiction. Divorce is normal, but many face stigma because of it.

Nonsense. It's probably more like 1 out of 111.

No, it's 1 in 11. Like the survey said. Facts don't care about your feelings.

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Facts don't care about your feelings.

You're right. They don't. I'm just going by my experience. Not "feelings" but what I've experienced, the people I know. I guess we just socialize and work in different circles. Peace.

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Such a law would be unenforceable. A better solution would be to ensure LGBTQ residents have exactly the same rights as "normal" citizens, and in cases where they already do to see that they are strictly enforced.

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Given the poor job they do with other private information, people's ages, addresses, marital status, divorce history etc. it should be no surprise that Japanese workplaces and local governments do a poor job protecting LGBT.

Current central and local government efforts to prevent disclosure of a person's sexual orientation or gender identity against their will

I fully understand sexual orientation here but what does outing mean for gender identity? Loads of official documents indicate M or F as current gender. A birth certificate indicates M or F at birth. Would either or both of these have to change?

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I am not LGB or T, but I cannot hide my gender or sexual preference. I grow tired of making sacrifices and giving special compensations to the LGBT crowd. They cone across as being pity seeking wusses. You are who you are! Own it!

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Nonsense. It's probably more like 1 out of 111.

Not if they asked 11 people and 1 said yes.

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Not if they asked 11 people and 1 said yes.

And I guarantee you I can do a survey and get 0 out of 100.

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You're right. They don't. I'm just going by my experience. Not "feelings" but what I've experienced, the people I know. I guess we just socialize and work in different circles. Peace.

Anecdotes aren't data.

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If they extend the same privileges to heterosexuals I don’t see any problem with it. Equality!

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1 out of 11?hard to believe...

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@Matej, I agree. It is probably more like 1 out of 3. When I started university in the early nineties, at my dormitory intro meeting the first thing they mentioned was that at least 1 out of 10 persons identifies as homosexual and that this was a safe area accepting of all. It is okay to accept it here as well Matej and noone judges you.

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I grow tired of making sacrifices and giving special compensations to the LGBT crowd.

snorts

What sacrifices have you endured?

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Anecdotes aren't data.

Correct. And as I pointed out, I can create data showing 0 LGBT out of 100. A very simple survey would produce such results.

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Correct. And as I pointed out, I can create data showing 0 LGBT out of 100. A very simple survey would produce such results.

How do you know what the results would be, before you've conducted the survey? You do not seem to understand the scientific method.

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same way that every other type of polling/statistics can be rigged. By oversampling those who you highly suspect will give you the answer you want.

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Are LGBT people ashamed? Why do they have to hide their "sexuality?" And how come they expect heteros to keep their secret?

Life is better in the open.

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10% is very much in line with many surveys done worldwide (you can google).

By reading some of the above comments you can easily understand why many LGBT do not want to come out...!

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How do you know what the results would be, before you've conducted the survey? You do not seem to understand the scientific method.

Because, as the people who conducted the "survey" in the article did, I would ignore data that did not fit my predetermined conclusion.

That, and I honestly believe the actual number is far less that 1%.

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