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This is quite late to the party as many other developed nations started their child vaccinations programs several months ago. Could have saved many lives. Why the delay?

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His daughter, Konatsu, said "I'm glad I received a shot so that I will not spread infections."

The madness continues as there is no need to vaccinate kids with this vaccine. Who has lied to this young girl enough times to make her repeat a complete untrue fact in an interview?

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I'm glad I received a shot so that I will not spread infections."

And now you're spreading misinformation and disease. Vaccinated people can spread the virus.

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One small step for man, a giant leap for mankind.

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Fools !

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WeiWeiToday  06:58 am JST

His daughter, Konatsu, said "I'm glad I received a shot so that I will not spread infections."

The madness continues as there is no need to vaccinate kids with this vaccine. Who has lied to this young girl enough times to make her repeat a complete untrue fact in an interview?

To people spreading misinformation that the virus does not spread infection. It is correct that it does not stop the spread, but it clearly reduces the spread. Yes, it also does not stop people from getting infected, but it DOES reduce the effects of the virus considerably in MOST people.

The evidence is so clear you are probably not bothering to look at the evidence if you believe it is either completely non-effective or completely effective.

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Before you panic, over 9000 infants under the age of 2 get RSV in Japan every year and 25% require hospitalization.

Virtually no parent worries about RSV, they live with it. Time to live with SARS-CoV-2.

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@virusrex

"Long-mononucleosis" can last for months and months. At a minimum it typically takes 4-6 weeks to recover. There is nothing unusual with the effects of a virus infection lasting for an extended period of time. Stop living your life in fear.

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WeiWei - The madness continues as there is no need to vaccinate kids with this vaccine

And you base this assumption on what? Your opinion only? I’m guessing you don’t have kids. If you did, you would want them vaccinated. Go and spend a couple of hours in the children’s intensive care ward. It might smarten you up a bit.

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WeiWeiToday  06:58 am JST

His daughter, Konatsu, said "I'm glad I received a shot so that I will not spread infections."

The madness continues as there is no need to vaccinate kids with this vaccine. Who has lied to this young girl enough times to make her repeat a complete untrue fact in an interview?

What is the 'untrue fact'? What (reliable and science-based evidence have you seen that prove child vaccines for children do not work. Have you or your children not been vaccinated for anything?!

Is it rational and reasonable to simply assume based on what someone said on Facebook that vaccines don't work in children or anyone without doing the due diligence to find out for yourself?

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"Long-mononucleosis" can last for months and months. At a minimum it typically takes 4-6 weeks to recover. There is nothing unusual with the effects of a virus infection lasting for an extended period of time. Stop living your life in fear.

Living in fear is much more appropiate when talking about people endlessly fearing for some nebulous dangers from vaccines instead of the actual, realistic risks that come from viral infection. That long (or permanent) problems coming from viral infections are not unusual is not an argument to prove they have no importance or that there is no benefit on preventing them, it is actually the opposite.

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These are experimental vaccines with no long term trials. They are allowed to be used as “emergency” vaccines. 50% of people in Japan I know who have been double vaccinated with mRNA have experienced side effects, a couple having to take time off work. Vaccinated people can still catch SARS-Cov-2 and also spread it.

I’m not anti-vac. But we should wait a little longer before forcing these vaccines on children. They have strong immune systems.

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These are experimental vaccines with no long term trials

None of the vaccines used in the general population are considered experimental in Japan, and again COVID is simply much more likely to be related to long term problems, if anything because it already has, so pretending the vaccines could ever be realistically worse than not vaccinating is not valid.

Vaccinated people have reduced infection and transmission rates according to scientific data, so this criticism is alsy empty, what if you knew people that died of bacterial infection even after taking antibiotics? would it be valid to say antibiotics don't work? obviously not.

Being part of antivaxxer groups is not the only way to be irrational or spread disinformation, some people actively do it even if they don't identify themselves as antivaxxers. An obvious sign is to say the scientists and doctors that say vaccines are safe and reduce the risk for children are all wrong just because those people supposedly know better.

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RodneyToday  09:42 am JST

These are experimental vaccines with no long term trials. They are allowed to be used as “emergency” vaccines. 50% of people in Japan I know who have been double vaccinated with mRNA have experienced side effects, a couple having to take time off work. Vaccinated people can still catch SARS-Cov-2 and also spread it.

I’m not anti-vac. But we should wait a little longer before forcing these vaccines on children. They have strong immune systems.

Please check such a statement before typing; they are not experimental this is a myth easily debunked.

I'm sure you know how to use Google and find reputable sources of information, I don't need to tell you that right?

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The FDA has been required by a judge to supply 10,000 pages of info on the Pfizer jabs by March 1, 2022, 10,000 more by April 1, and more continuing until late summer!

This was ordered, as Pfizer was not planning to release this info, for 75 years.

75 years.

No parent can give informed consent to give their children this jab until they are fully informed of its contents and effects.

For people who lump these jabs in with other vaccinations, they’re not the same thing, at all.

Take Quercetin & zinc, vit C, D, as a precaution, or Ivermectin if possible, at beginning of illness.

This jab is a bad risk, so say many frontline doctors, researchers and actual immunologists, including the doctor who invented the mRna technology, Dr Robert Malone.

The FDA and Pfizer have interchangeable board members, (conflict if interest?) they had to be taken to court to get information made accessible, and still only in dribs and drabs... Do you trust your children’s health with that?

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blue in greenToday  09:56 am JST

The FDA has been required by a judge to supply 10,000 pages of info on the Pfizer jabs by March 1, 2022, 10,000 more by April 1, and more continuing until late summer!

This was ordered, as Pfizer was not planning to release this info, for 75 years.

75 years.

No parent can give informed consent to give their children this jab until they are fully informed of its contents and effects.

For people who lump these jabs in with other vaccinations, they’re not the same thing, at all.

Take Quercetin & zinc, vit C, D, as a precaution, or Ivermectin if possible, at beginning of illness.

This jab is a bad risk, so say many frontline doctors, researchers and actual immunologists, including the doctor who invented the mRna technology, Dr Robert Malone.

The FDA and Pfizer have interchangeable board members, (conflict if interest?) they had to be taken to court to get information made accessible, and still only in dribs and drabs... Do you trust your children’s health with that?

You're scared, I get it, in the circumstances that is understandable however, there is no great worldwide conspiracy to produce and inject billions of people with an unprepared vaccine.

It is a myth that the approved vaccines are 'experimental' and not ready for use. This is very easily debunked if you just do a little due diligence.

"Myth: All Covid-19 vaccines are currently experimental, and some trials won’t end until 2023

The authorised Covid-19 vaccines are not ‘experimental’ any longer. The endpoints required for authorisation for use were met last year (safety and efficacy). Clinical trial participants are a valuable source of data and following them up for as long as possible is desirable and normal in vaccine trials. Also, new vaccine trials are kicking off all the time. Vaccines are used in experiments for their entire life, which can be many decades. Claiming that the Covid-19 vaccines are ‘experimental’ in a bid to scare people is misinforming them. There have been over one billion Covid-19 vaccines administered with safety and effectiveness closely monitored"

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This was ordered, as Pfizer was not planning to release this info, for 75 years.

Completely false disinformation, Pfizer already gave this information (and hundreds of thousands of pages more) to the FDA even before the vaccine was given an emergency authorization. Why do you feel the need to repeat false information? is is so important for you to give incorrect information?

The 75 years is what it takes to a couple of people to redact according to law the hundreds of thousands of pages for disclosure to the general public, specially when they are already dealing with hundreds of other requests from information. Nothing you say can change the fact that the FDA simply had no personnel to do this in less time.

Take Quercetin & zinc, vit C, D, as a precaution, or Ivermectin if possible, at beginning of illness.

Terrible advice, ivermecting and other drugs bring no benefit to people infected and instead increase the risk of other health problems, recommending people to act against the best medical advice just so you can pretend vaccines are not necessary only puts those people at risk, something that you are not taking any responsibility about.

The FDA and Pfizer have interchangeable board members

And what do this have to do with Japan? it is irrelevant, maybe you think the FDA rules in the whole world, but this is nonsense, in Japan the agency in charge is the PMDA, so how many "board members" work in Pfizer as well?

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For the purposes of informed consent, I'd recommend any parent considering vaccinating their children read this article and the journal articles referenced

https://ashmedai.substack.com/p/what-they-allegedly-didnt-know-about?utm_source=url

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Just don't do it, no need.

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Terrible advice, ivermecting and other drugs bring no benefit to people infected and instead increase the risk of other health problems, recommending people to act against the best medical advice just so you can pretend vaccines are not necessary only puts those people at risk, something that you are not taking any responsibility about.

Seems you need to study a bit more. Facts and your opinions are not the same.

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For the purposes of informed consent, I'd recommend any parent considering vaccinating their children read this article and the journal articles referenced

An article full of antiscientific "information" that has been widely debunked by the evidence collected by billions of vaccinations around the world is the opposite of what is beneficial for informed consent. Disinformation has no value in decision making, even if something confirms your personal beliefs it should be discarded the moment it is clear it is just a collection of false or irrelevant information, things already disproven or badly misrepresented to appear as if they had any importance (or not happening much more during infection than in vaccination) not only do not help to make proper informed consens, it actively makes it more difficult to do it.

A very clear example is how the text gives so much importance to protein misfolding because of codon optimization, but actively hid the fact that this has been proven not to happen with any vaccine (which is natural to find, if the spike was misfolded it would never produce neutralizing activity against the infection, which obviously is not the case).

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Seems you need to study a bit more. Facts and your opinions are not the same.

Indeed, for example try and search for any institution of science or medicine around the world that recommends ivermectin for the treatment of COVID,

Now do the same for anybody that strongly oppose it because of lack of evidence of any benefit.

What do you think this indicates? (and no, that "every institution of the whole world is in a conspiracy" is not a valid conclusion, nor believable at all).

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Unless it is mandated my children will not be vaccinated. They have both had Covid and recovered overnight.

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Vaccine uncertainty is so yesterday.

Vaccines: What we know about long-term safety now

A quote to whet the appetite

"We don't know the long-term side effects of Covid vaccines." That's a claim that's still common to see shared online. 

But a year is actually considered relatively "long term" when it comes to vaccine safety.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-60468900

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Lots of people trying to justify their own actions using shaky theories and dodgy sources. The desperation I sense seems like the unvaccinated enthusiast's last stand!

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Unless it is mandate

Interesting that Jexan's attitude has swayed.

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Lots of people

Not that many. I’ve found many of the ‘people’ are in fact just a few having disgraceful hysterical meltdowns. The anti-vaxxers are a minority and make their presence felt on media platforms in rather pathetic ways.

I found this was the case after the 2020 election when we had quite repulsive meltdowns from the minority.

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To whom are you referring ? *@ElvisIsHere 12:12pm***? **:

- “Interesting that - - ‘s attitude has swayed” -

Oddly, previous comments “not available” to even substantiate such an observation.

Please let us know what You find.

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And you base this assumption on what? Your opinion only? I’m guessing you don’t have kids. If you did, you would want them vaccinated. Go and spend a couple of hours in the children’s intensive care ward. It might smarten you up a bit.

There might be kids in ICU suffering from various things, but COVID-19 isn't one of them. Me and my wife had COVID last month - a week of mild annoyance with a runny nose. Presumably my kids had it as well, but we still sent them to hoikuen.

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My kids are1 & 2 years old.

We won't be giving them any vaccine that needs a lot more testing and tweaking. Especially won't be giving them any vaccine that clearly doesn't work!

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We won't be giving them any vaccine that needs a lot more testing and tweaking. Especially won't be giving them any vaccine that clearly doesn't work!

Because you know more than the experts that contradict you based on solid evidence? that is not a rational position to take, quite similar to those parents that refuse to adjust the diet of their malnourished kids or that reject antibiotics for the same irrational beliefs.

Vaccines work according to every institution that deal with the topic, and they reduce the risk even for children. Believing differently based on nothing (and specially trying to ignore the many different risks associated with the infection) does not change this one bit.

There might be kids in ICU suffering from various things, but COVID-19 isn't one of them

Thanks to widespread vaccination and adherence to scientifically based recommendations in Japan this is rare, but in countries where a higher percent of the population take pride on contradicting science as you propose there are kids in extremely serious conditions after being infected and some even die.

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Terrible advice, ivermecting and other drugs bring no benefit to people infected and instead increase the risk of other health problems, recommending people to act against the best medical advice just so you can pretend vaccines are not necessary only puts those people at risk, something that you are not taking any responsibility about.

My wife and I had covid this month, no vaccines, and our doctor was happy to recommend ivermectin. We opted for traditional flu medication, simply because it was a much cheaper alternative.

Responsibility? Stop blaming the unvaxxed!

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I'm sure you know how to use Google and find reputable sources of information, I don't need to tell you that right?

Yeah because GOOGLE wouldn't hide facts eh? rolls eyes

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And you base this assumption on what? Your opinion only? I’m guessing you don’t have kids. If you did, you would want them vaccinated. Go

I have two. I don't want them vaccinated with rubbish thanks.

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Just don't acquiesce to all the scientific chatter about scientific data. Think for yourself, question science then do what's right for you. If more people did this instead of following blindly, the scientific data would probably change daily.

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BelrickToday  12:58 pm JST

And you base this assumption on what? Your opinion only? I’m guessing you don’t have kids. If you did, you would want them vaccinated. Go

I have two. I don't want them vaccinated with rubbish thanks.

So your children are not vaccinated against anything?

If they have the normal vaccinations, why do you trust them (all made in exactly the same way) but not the COVID test?

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After 2 years of Covid rampaging through Japan and probably infecting almost all kiddies , maybe more than once, there have been zero deaths in under 10’s. Hardly the huge risk to their health portrayed by certain people here. Though vaccine risks may be minimal too, they are still a risk.

I would not have my kids of that age vaccinated unless they had serious health issues that means their immune system is comprimised.

It’s all personal choice, Covid is endemic and this variant is low risk. Omicron provides better protection than the vaccines. As Mr Bill Gates said recently “ Sadly Omicron provides better protection than the vaccines”. Yes incredibly sad Mr Gates.

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BelrickToday  12:41 pm JST

My kids are1 & 2 years old.

We won't be giving them any vaccine that needs a lot more testing and tweaking. Especially won't be giving them any vaccine that clearly doesn't work!

What makes you say they need 'testing and tweaking'?

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One year from now it will be an elective vaccine just like the flu shot that your MD will recommend to you to minimize the effects of the disease. There will be some that do it and some that don't. The only difference is will have lost all its political talking points to control people. You can now do all the appropriate things to protect yourself and those around you without getting vaccinated.

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zichiToday  01:09 pm JST

I think this is not necessary. Balance of risks. The number of cases and deaths for this age group has been very low compared with possible side effects from the vaccine. Parents should not be pressured into giving their children vaccines and there should be zero restrictions if they refuse.

The risk from COVID far and away outweigh any risk of COVID vaccines (or any vaccines). People have always been suspicious of vaccines and have never had real evidence to warrant that suspicion. Vaccines are no different in how they are produced than any other medical product you buy and consume. They are no more unsafe than aspirin, antibiotics, antihistamines or any other drug.

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It sickens and saddens me to think about parents unknowingly and unnecessarily risk their healthy children's health/lives. From the very start, the risk-benefit ratio did not favor vaccinating healthy kids. This is even more true now when the vaccines are just as risky but less effective than at the start, but the virus is so much less risky.

Don't do it!

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Japan begins COVID-19 vaccination for children aged 5-11

This is so misguided. Children should never be exposed to experimental vaccines against an infection that is no danger to them. So sad to see that Japanse government bows to this.

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berealistic

The risk from COVID far and away outweigh any risk of COVID vaccines (or any vaccines).

Not for children, and 100% not for Omicron. On what basis do you make such claims?

People have always been suspicious of vaccines and have never had real evidence to warrant that suspicion

The warp speed mRNA shots are not "vaccines" according to the traditional definition (which we should respect).

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It sickens and saddens me to think about parents unknowingly and unnecessarily risk their healthy children's health/

Since the risk you keep trying to push are not real there is no reason either to disapprove of vaccines, several times you have promoted the false idea that vaccines represent more risk for children, but when asked for a source you bring none. Rejecting the science that proves vaccines are safe also for children is not an argument, it is just dangerous disinformation.

Children should never be exposed to experimental vaccines against an infection that is no danger to them

Except the vaccines are not experimental (proved in the comments) and the infection do represent risk for them, which makes your argument completely invalid.

After 2 years of Covid rampaging through Japan and probably infecting almost all kiddies , maybe more than once, there have been zero deaths in under 10’s. 

One, death is not the only risk, and two this depends on the nearly universal obedience of the population to measures that reduce the risk for all, including vaccines. Precisely because vaccines have proved to be safe and effective is why they are validly recommended for children.

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letsberealistic

So your children are not vaccinated against anything?

Strawman. Is it not getting tiring to label every sceptic of the "emergency use" warpspeed shots as "anti vaccine"?

If they have the normal vaccinations, why do you trust them (all made in exactly the same way) but not the COVID test?

NOT normal, NOT made in "exactly the same way", and NOT offered under "emergency use authorization" with zero liability for the manufacturer. Did you not know that?

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Responsibility? Stop blaming the unvaxxed!

Being vaccinated or not have nothing to do with recommending something that has no value against COVID and instead bring risks, badly prepared doctors that lack professionalism may do this (and also prescribe antibiotics for common colds or do unnecessary surgeries for profit) but they at least can be made responsible for this by being sued for malpractice. Hiding behing anonymity to do the same knowing well it is worse than not giving anything is simply not being willing to assume the responsibility of putting other people at risk.

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NOT normal, NOT made in "exactly the same way", and NOT offered under "emergency use authorization" with zero liability for the manufacturer. Did you not know that

They are normal, there is not one single way to making vaccines and manufacturers do not stop having liability for anything that happens with vaccines, that is a well debunked piece of disinformation pushed by antivaxxer groups that have to use falsehoods to discredit safe and effective vaccines.

The only liability that is absorbed by the government is about the expected and normal negative side effects from the vaccines, and this is not something unique for COVID vaccines either, it applies for all vaccines the government chooses to recommend. So this statement is doubly mistaken.

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WilliBToday  01:59 pm JST

NOT normal, NOT made in "exactly the same way", and NOT offered under "emergency use authorization" with zero liability for the manufacturer. Did you not know that?

Why do you think they are not made (researched, formatted, tested, approved) in the same way?

Because they were created faster than normal? Well, don't forget far more money, hours and manpower went into COVID. At what period of time is okay to you?

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My kids are1 & 2 years old.

We won't be giving them any vaccine that needs a lot more testing and tweaking. Especially won't be giving them any vaccine that clearly doesn't work!

Your kids aren't eligible for the vaccines yet.

Anyway it's clear that you're not even remotely competent in assessing things like this based only on your last sentence.

If you're not vaccinated yourself yet best consult the health professional/s you trust with other health matters

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WilliBToday  01:56 pm JST

berealistic

The risk from COVID far and away outweigh any risk of COVID vaccines (or any vaccines).

Not for children, and 100% not for Omicron. On what basis do you make such claims?

Scientific evidence across the world and a variety of well established and rigorous institutions. The information is readily available if you care to have a look.

People have always been suspicious of vaccines and have never had real evidence to warrant that suspicion

The warp speed mRNA shots are not "vaccines" according to the traditional definition (which we should respect).

Again, please don't believe the easily debunked myth that the COVID vaccines are 'rushed'. They have all been developed in the same way as any other vaccines but this time a little faster because of the massive amount of money and man-hours put in.

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Why do you think they are not made (researched, formatted, tested, approved) in the same way?

He doesn't know, it's just what his youtube research and penchant for mental conclusions has led him to.

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At this point in the war against COVID, resistance to vaccines and wearing masks because of personal freedom brings to mind the “Forrest Gump” saying, “Stupid is as stupid does.”

Today, Patrick Henry’s “give me liberty or give me death” takes on a whole new twisted meaning. No amount of logical or scientific explanation, or pleading for the safety of the vulnerable and our unvaccinated children, has convinced the vaccine naysayers.

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No amount of logical or scientific explanation, 

It's clear they understand not one bit which is fine by itself

Unfortunately they think they understand and know more than their doctors.

Thats the problem.

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letsberealistic

Scientific evidence across the world and a variety of well established and rigorous institutions. The information is readily available if you care to have a look.

Then share some of that. Media talking points are not scientific evidence across the world.

Again, please don't believe the easily debunked myth that the COVID vaccines are 'rushed'. They have all been developed in the same way as any other vaccines but this time a little faster because of the massive amount of money and man-hours put in.

Your saying so does not make it so. The rushed time frame has no precedence, long-term data are by definition unavailable, and none of mRNA shots have full FDA approval. They are all administred under "emergency use authorization" excempting the manufacturers from liability. Again, completely breaking precedence.

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Then share some of that. Media talking points are not scientific evidence across the world.

Again, bring any respectable institution of science or medicine that supports your belief that vaccines are not safe nor effective, or that vaccinating bring more risk than not doing it. You keep saying this is what the science proves but then fail to bring even one to actually say so. This means you are the one opposing science, not the doctors that have asked endlessly for the goverment to allow vaccination of children.

The rushed time frame has no precedence

Completely false, 6 months of phase III clinilcal trials have been done before for vaccines that went to have full approval without any problem, pretending this was somehow special just because the reality contradicts your beliefs is not valid. Pfizer mRNA vaccine has full FDA approval since last year, which means you are also wrong on this. (also not that it matters at all in Japan, where the agency in charge is obviously not the US FDA).

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

Finally, that the goverment absorbs one single form or liability (lawsuits from particulars) has absolutely nothing to do with a vaccine having emergency or full approval. Many vaccines that have been used for decades are included in this (as long as the goverment recommends them) and obviously those vaccines are not under any emergency approval.

This means everything you think you know about vaccines is actually false, why insist on repeating things you know are not true? this would make your comment fulfill the definition of disinformation.

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If you are of sound mind then you know that the best thing to do about matters you're not an expert in is to consult the experts, the authority in the field.

In matters of health that would be your doctors.

If you think you know better than your doctor consult a mental health professional instead.

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> NorthernlifeToday  03:38 pm JST

Yeah thanks big pharma but no thanks.

What does that even mean?

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@WilliB: You have clearly missed the key point that both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have been fully approved by the FDA and now have brand names as such. In fact my Japanese digital passport shows my Moderna jab as ‘Spikevax’ now.

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virusrex

Then share some of that. Media talking points are not scientific evidence across the world.

Again, bring any respectable institution of science or medicine that supports your belief that vaccines are not safe nor effective, or that vaccinating bring more risk than not doing it.

Please read before commenting. My comment was about the claimed "scientific evidence" for danger from Covid on children.

Pfizer mRNA vaccine has full FDA approval since last year, which means you are also wrong on this.

Which "Pfizer mRNA vaccine"? The fictional one with the unpronoucable name that is not available, or the the one that you actually get? The FDA approval is for the former, not the latter. Try getting a shot with the "approved" one..... good luck.

Do you have explanation for why the FDA plays such bait-and-switch games? Please explain.

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Data from clinical trials conducted by Pfizer...

Conducted by Pfizer! Oh they wouldn't cheat, would they? How many times must Pfizer be convicted of fraud (for falsifying data, bribing officials) before we start to ignore their data and demand independent studies? Even with these vaccines, a whistleblower came out describing their clinical trial dirty tricks...

Adults should consider seriously whether the risks are worth it, but keep them away from healthy kids!

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Please read before commenting. My comment was about the claimed "scientific evidence" for danger from Covid on children.

That is irrelevant, either you mistakenly believe you have access to some evidence that nobody else have access to or you think you can analyze it better than all the scientists of the world that do that for a living and disagree completely with you. In the same way that you mistakenly believe no vaccine has full approval or that no other vaccine is protected from lawsuits from particulars this is simply something false you like to imagine so you can think your irrational promotion of vaccine hesitancy is not contradicted by science.

Which "Pfizer mRNA vaccine"? The fictional one with the unpronoucable name that is not available, or the the one that you actually get? The FDA approval is for the former, not the latter. Try getting a shot with the "approved" one..... good luck.

The link is there, read it. COMIRNATY is just the name for the Pfizer vaccine that can be used since it had full approval, unless you have the irrational belief that a vaccine changes in composition if it is renamed your criticism is meaningless, there is only one vaccine from Pfizer that has been used in the US and that is the same that got full approval.

Conducted by Pfizer! Oh they wouldn't cheat, would they?

This criticism is irrelevant at this point, where literally billions of people have been already vaccinated outside of clinical trials. With data that fully confirm what was found in the first ones. Do you have any evidence that the data from further trials is false? then present it, else you have nothing but your own personal belief that for some reason a clinical trial is giving information that contradicts the data taken from multiple countries that have vaccinated young people without finding any problem and whose data is not controlled by Pfizer in any way.

Adults should consider seriously whether the risks are worth it, but keep them away from healthy kids!

Since the vaccines reduce the risk for children (specially those with frequent preexisting conditions) your recommendation is obviously not based on anything but a heavy anti-scientific bias, up until now every population vaccinated benefits from the reduction of risk, this is not expected to change with children according to the experts that clearly contradict your personal beliefs, their recommendations simply have much more weight and data to support them.

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Conducted by Pfizer! Oh they wouldn't cheat, would they?

This criticism is irrelevant at this point, where literally billions of people have been already vaccinated outside of clinical trials.

Yeah, with many thousands killed and many hundreds of thousands severely injured by the vaccine, but without an adequate followup we'll never know the real extent of the damage.

Which "Pfizer mRNA vaccine"? The fictional one with the unpronoucable name that is not available, or the the one that you actually get? The FDA approval is for the former, not the latter. Try getting a shot with the "approved" one..... good luck.

The link is there, read it. COMIRNATY is just the name for the Pfizer vaccine that can be used since it had full approval, unless you have the irrational belief that a vaccine changes in composition if it is renamed your criticism is meaningless, there is only one vaccine from Pfizer that has been used in the US and that is the same that got full approval.

My understanding is that the Pfizer vaccine and COMIRNATY are very similar or essentially the same but that in the US, only the Pfizer vaccine (not COMIRNATY) is administered under an EUA... Legally. they are distinct products. For one thing, the COMIRNATY package insert contains the statement "Postmarketing data demonstrate increased risks of myocarditis and pericarditis, particularly within 7 days following the second dose." The Pfizer vaccine (for US consumers) information mentions myocarditis and pericarditis but they seem to downplay it more.

BTW, recent data indicates that the vaccines increase the risks of myocarditis and pericarditis 133X.

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Yeah, with many thousands killed and many hundreds of thousands severely injured by the vaccine, but without an adequate followup we'll never know the real extent of the damage.

That is false disinformation, as easily proved as not even one institution of science or medicine say this is true, the only ones saying it are disinformation antivaxer groups trying very hard to promote false information.

For the rational world vaccines have a really nice record of efficacy and safety and represent a huge development for public healthl.

My understanding is that the Pfizer vaccine and COMIRNATY are very similar or essentially the same but that in the US, only the Pfizer vaccine (not COMIRNATY) is administered under an EUA.

Your understanding is completely mistaken. the vaccines are the same in all aspects but the name, which began to be used once the vaccine gained full approval.

The important part you have choosen not to mention is that SARS-CoV-2 infection is a much more important risk for myocarditis and pericarditis, even on asymptomatic young people. This means that the much lower risk coming from vaccines still represent a reduction when compared with unvaccinated people that can be infected.

Trying to hide this fact to mislead people into thinking vaccines do not reduce this risk is another form of disinformation. This is even included in the report that demonstrated the increase, that still recommends vaccination and consider it a way to prevent the much more frequent and dangerous form that is related to COVID.

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The link is there, read it. COMIRNATY is just the name for the Pfizer vaccine that can be used since it had full approval, unless you have the irrational belief that a

Err, no. The approval is for CORMINATY, a product that that they say is "biologically identical", but it is not for the Pfizer vaccine. That way, the manufacturers get to claim "FDA approval" while continue to provide the product under "Emergency use", excempting from all liability claims.

Can you explain why such word games are being played?

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Yeah, with many thousands killed and many hundreds of thousands severely injured by the vaccine, but without an adequate followup we'll never know the real extent of the damage.

That is false disinformation, as easily proved as not even one institution of science or medicine say this is true, the only ones saying it are disinformation antivaxer groups trying very hard to promote false information.

It's based on the CDC's VAERS and the European system, their official numbers.....

Your understanding is completely mistaken. the vaccines are the same in all aspects but the name, which began to be used once the vaccine gained full approval.

How is my understanding completely mistaken? I wrote: "My understanding is that the Pfizer vaccine and COMIRNATY are very similar or essentially the same but that in the US, only the Pfizer vaccine (not COMIRNATY) is administered under an EUA... Legally. they are distinct products.

SARS-CoV-2 infection is a much more important risk for myocarditis and pericarditis, even on asymptomatic young people.

The vaccines do not prevent infections, so you have those risks even if you get the vaccine. Getting the vaccine just increases your risks.

Since the vaccines reduce the risk for children (specially those with frequent preexisting conditions) your recommendation is obviously not based on anything but a heavy anti-scientific bias, up until now every population vaccinated benefits from the reduction of risk, this is not expected to change with children according to the experts that clearly contradict your personal beliefs, their recommendations simply have much more weight and data to support them.

Yeah, if you have a kid with preexisting conditions (cystic fibrosis, diabetes, cancer, obesity...) you might want to get them vaccinated. But for healthy kids, the vaccine risks greatly outweigh the viral risk. Plenty of experts say this, even among those on the FDA panel of experts. Some of those experts who voted to approve these vaccines for kids said they just wanted to make sure the vulnerable kids would have access to them. But it's a big mistake to interpret their approval as meaning that these vaccines are perfectly safe and effective and that all kids should get it.

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Err, no. The approval is for CORMINATY, a product that that they say is "biologically identical", but it is not for the Pfizer vaccine.

Again, they are the same thing, Corminaty is the Pfizer vaccine, it is impossible to differentiate between both things without a label because they are for all intentions and purposes identical. Which still means you are wrong saying there is no mRNA vaccine fully approved.

That way, the manufacturers get to claim "FDA approval" while continue to provide the product under "Emergency use", excempting from all liability claims.

This makes absolutely no sense, and betrays a deep lack of understanding of what a full approval means. Also, it was already proved there is no such "exception from all liability claims" so persisting in repeat this consitutues disinformation. Additionally, this is in no way related to something being under EUA, as I told you before, vaccines have the same kind of protection (against lawsuits for expected side effects only) even when they have fully approved for decades. There is absolutely no benefit for any vaccine to pretend to be under EUA after being granted full approval.

It's based on the CDC's VAERS and the European system, their official numbers.....

No, it is based on the complete misrepresentation of those numbers which is why you could bring exactly zero institutions that defend this misrepresentation. On the contrary all clearly express the safety and efficacy of the vaccines.

Legally. they are distinct products.

That is still mistaken, they are the same product just named once full approval is granted.

The vaccines do not prevent infections, so you have those risks even if you get the vaccine. Getting the vaccine just increases your risks.

The vaccines DO prevent infections in a very significant percentage of the people, but more importantly they also prevent problems and complications even of the smaller proportion of people that are infected after being vaccinated, this includes the development of myocarditis and pericarditis.

Can you provide a source that being vaccinated produce more risk than being infected with SARS-CoV-2? because the scientific consensus is that your personal opinion is wrong.

Yeah, if you have a kid with preexisting conditions (cystic fibrosis, diabetes, cancer, obesity...) you might want to get them vaccinated.

According to the scientific data about it this also applies to normal, healthy children. You just saying the experts are all wrong simply do not make it so, it just makes it clear you refuse to accept their professional opinion even when they have the data to prove it.

Plenty of experts say this, even among those on the FDA panel of experts.

Based on what data exactly? you have misrepresented what the experts have said in the past, so unless you can provide a reference that include the information that actually supports this condition (and can disprove the data that actually says this is a safe intervention for children) this is stil your personal opinion against the professional conclusions made by the experts.

But it's a big mistake to interpret their approval as meaning that these vaccines are perfectly safe and effective and that all kids should get it.

That is just a strawman you like to pretend people make, the real conclusion is that vaccines are simply safer than not vaccinating, including for children and that is why they have been approved. There is absolutely no requirement for them to be "perfectly" safe as you misrepresent.

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