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What'll be interesting is if any passengers from China test positive after getting off the direct flight.

After all . . . . China has no domestic transmission

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We hope that full-scale traffic between Japan and China can be realized as soon as possible,

Oh my God...

Please wait until a safe and effective vaccine is implemented.

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So business people who are moving about, meeting many people can easily come to Japan and pose no threat, but long term residents and expats, they are a risk? Makes you want to shake your head looking at that logic!

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Motegi is not basing his decisions on science

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Under the agreement, Japan and China will allow businesspeople on short-term visits to be exempted from the usual 14-day quarantine period upon arrival if they test negative for the coronavirus and submit an itinerary of their activities in advance.

I wonder at which point they take a test. What if the result is falsely negative? I still don't understand a scientific logic behind this reopening decision.

Just two weeks ago, 17 people from Indonesia tested positive upon arrival at the Kansai airport though all of them had earlier tested negative and results documented prior to departure.

「陰性」証明書持ってたのに、空港検査で「陽性」…インドネシアから関空到着の17人

https://www.yomiuri.co.jp/national/20201118-OYT1T50220/

As I've noted, negative test proof is almost meaningless. I can't trust any negative certificate brought from China. All visitors from China should re-test upon Japan side even though a 2 weeks quarantine is exempted.

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So business people who are moving about, meeting many people can easily come to Japan and pose no threat, but long term residents and expats, they are a risk? Makes you want to shake your head looking at that logic!

No logic at all involved here. Just racism and money

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People with PR and families in japan who rely on them for support can’t enter, but Chinese people with money can. If that doesn’t say everything about japan I don’t know what does

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Not to mention that at a time that China is looking to create an incident as excuse for a territorial war, and this with multiple countries at the time, Japan is facilitating their economy instead of sanctioning it. When China is making one despicable move after the other against Australia, Japan ignores those attacks. China under Xi must be stopped and stopped now or we will all come to regret it

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All of you claiming permanent residents cannot re-enter Japan are simply incorrect:

*From 1st November 2020, all foreign nationals with the status of residence with a valid re-entry permit, are not required to obtain “the Letter of Confirmation of Submitting Required Documentation for Re-entry into Japan” or “Receipt for Request of Re-entry” when re-entering Japan from countries/regions designated as an area subject to denial of permission to enter Japan. *

https://www.mofa.go.jp/ca/fna/page4e_001074.html

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Is this mainland "China" only, or does it included places which China considers to be "China".

Meaning, how about Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan? (those places alone accounted for 7+ million visitors in 2019, or nearly 25% of total visitors)

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Is that the new air travelling costume?

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P. Smith,

That's too much common sense and facts for some people.

They want bad relations between Japan and China, that's what this is about. Any sign of relations improving is not acceptable. They did not approve of such a thing, the list of demands they have for China has not been met, so relations between Japan and China cannot improve. The Expats on here don't agree.

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If you think that you have to wear full PPE to travel... maybe don't travel?

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Thank you P.Smith - and thank you for posting a simple link. Few of us have repeated this on this forum but just get dismissed by those who think nothing has changed since March and just wish to criticise Japan for the sheer hell of it.

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That photo looks pretty leisurely to me. Ohhh, it's business.

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How about zoom meetings like the rest of the world?

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When the world is closed to Japan, China is open to her. That says a lot.

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Money over people. Makes me sick enough to forego a return to Japan.

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@P.Smith

You forgot to add the next sentence:

"Please be noted that the certificate of negative test result of pre-entry testing conducted within 72 hours of the departure time of the flight (hereinafter referred to as “certificate of negative test result”) is still needed when re-entering from countries/regions designated as an area subject to denial of permission to enter Japan. "

So if I have to leave Japan for any reason, my Japanese spouse can return without a pre-test, but I have to get one. Why? What is it about having a Japanese passport that makes you immune from this disease, and that having a NJ passport makes you more likely to get it?

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After all . . . . China has no domestic transmission

It means Communist government is watching everything very carefully about all people, even everyone's mind and up to everyone's ass.

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"We hope that full-scale traffic between Japan and China can be realized as soon as possible,"

You are the only ones hoping for that.

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@ P.Smith

This might be a better page to link to, it shows the requirements needed for NJ, including those with PR, to re-enter Japan. Requirements that don't apply to JP passport holders:

https://www.mofa.go.jp/ca/fna/page25e_000334.html

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Was it not like 2 weeks ago there was this article titled

"Japan to urge Biden to focus on Indo-Pacific as well as U.S. issues"

Foreign Minister Toshimitsu Motegi said Monday that Japan will urge Joe Biden to focus on foreign as well as domestic issues, including maintaining order in the Indo-Pacific region, as the president-elect prepares to take office in January.

Biden should be acting as security guard while Suga is busy trading with China. Talk about allies.

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@Tokyo-m: Thats merely a link from what P.Smith posted. We are all aware of the need to take a test 72 hours prior to return as a non citizen.

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Seriously what are they thinking????? there are so many alternatives to face to face meetings.

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If China is supposedly safe and has no more domestic transmission of this virus, why then do these Chinese travellers look like they dressed for bio warfare? Is this because Japan in their minds is dangerous and if so, why the hell would you travel into danger?

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We are all aware of the need to take a test 72 hours prior to return as a non citizen.

Possibly not. I've heard some people saying that things are back to normal in regard to PRs (and I think it is possible that if you read P.Smith's post, that would be the impression).

Don't you think it is important that people know the current requirements?

Firstly for practical purposes (for example, the JP immigration won't accept a certificate issued by a non-JP hospital, it has to be on the document downloaded from the JP government website to be valid) and secondly, just to show how unfair the system still is, with its assumption that I am somehow more susceptible to coronavirus because of the colour of my passport.

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Japan. "

So if I have to leave Japan for any reason, my Japanese spouse can return without a pre-test, but I have to get one. Why? 

Because their Japanese and Japanese citizens can not be refused entry under any circumstances according to the constitution.

You are a PM thus not protected by the constitution.

Pretty simple solution either

become a Japanese national or

accept your passport makes you different.

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totally idiotic and unscientific.

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Pretty simple solution either

become a Japanese national or

accept your passport makes you different.

In terms of personal solutions, you are absolutely right. In terms of Japan belonging to an international community, it is playing unfair (no other advanced nation is discriminating against long-term residents like this), and I think it is perfectly acceptable to point that out, especially on an article dealing with exactly that subject.

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@Tokyo-m: So if people took the time to actually click on the link provided then they would know the latest requirements wouldn't they? Rather than listening to hearsay like you are suggesting. What a ridiculous defence to make.

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My school is reconsidering an alternative trip other than the Tokyo region. And when choosing a less populated alternative, the head teacher said, "There shouldn't be any foreigners there, only Japanese." And my jaw dropped.

I approached the teacher afterwards and told them how discriminatory saying that was. They tried to play it off as "I didn't mean you. But parents may worry abut Chinese...tourists." And I proceeded to tell them that if students are going to catch this virus, it is more likely they will catch it from a Japanese person over a foreign person. And did they not know that most countries cannot even enter Japan yet? And those that can, have very strict controls?

I may not have changed this person's mind. But I got a weak apology. And I bet they won't say something like that at least when I'm around. Still blows my mind that no one else in the meeting said anything about that at the time.

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@theResident

Defence? Defence of what? Sorry, I don't understand. What am I supposed to be defending? I'm lost here.

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So business people who are moving about, meeting many people can easily come to Japan and pose no threat, but long term residents and expats, they are a risk? Makes you want to shake your head looking at that logic!

In the minds of Japanese elites:

Chinese tourists and business people Expats.

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As usual, PR at the bottom of the pile, just slightly above foreign tourists (for the moment). Come Olympics (good luck with that happening), even tourists will be treated better than PRs. Test certificates using the government's form (foreign hospitals not good enough), and having to spend well over 20,000 yen for a chauffer-driven limo from the airport back to home, or fork out more money at an airport hotel.

What this tells us is that Japanese blood is unique. Foreign blood is dirty and less immune to the virus.

Meanwhile, Vietnam has its first infection in a long time, thanks to someone coming from Japan.

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For expatriates and other long-term residents, the 14-day quarantine requirement after arriving in the respective countries remains in effect.

Peoples lives and families are much more important than Chinese businesses.

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also that picture says it all, if you think that you have to dress up in full hazmat to be protected then you shouldn't be travelling!!!

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...meanwhile, the Chinese show their true colors in their dealings with Australia while rounding up and imprisoning Muslims for going about their daily lives. China is a police state and a pariah nation, and should be treated as such. The only thing its leaders understand is naked power - which, unless they are stopped, is how they intend to deal with the outside world.

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Another bright idea from the Japanese government.

Since Go to Travel failed not it's Go To BUSINESS. haha

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The only Chinese who will be coming are CCP approved agents that are in their positions by CCP approval with PLA backgrounds. This point should be noted.

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*From 1st November 2020, all foreign nationals with the status of residence with a valid re-entry permit, are not required to obtain “the Letter of Confirmation of Submitting Required Documentation for Re-entry into Japan” or “Receipt for Request of Re-entry” when re-entering Japan from countries/regions designated as an area subject to denial of permission to enter Japan. **

https://www.mofa.go.jp/ca/fna/page4e_001074.html

The information on that link is as clear as mud. And, as someone with PR, I do not require a re-entry permit, so does that information actually apply to us, or is it for those on temporary visas?

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Aly RustomToday  07:41 am JST

So business people who are moving about, meeting many people can easily come to Japan and pose no threat, but long term residents and expats, they are a risk? Makes you want to shake your head looking at that logic!

No logic at all involved here. Just racism and money

Money for sure, But what "racism"?

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Oh sweet senpai, please I need your China bucks! owo

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Money for sure, But what "racism"?

seriously?

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Good. Quarantine is a human rights violation.

The sooner normality resumes the better

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The idea that Japan was allowing Nationals to come back without any of the headaches that the PRs got.

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Does anybody know how do they go thru security check in that?

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The only extra headache of being a NON CITIZEN is having a PCR test at your origin 72 hours before departure. As @carpslidy has pointed out , if you are a foreign passport holder then get used to it. Regardless of Resident/Visa status you are not Japanese. At least we are allowed back in now. On arrival in Japan everybody is treated the same. I have copies of the flow charts on procedure this is identical in Japanese/Chinese/Korean and English. Stop whingeing.

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I traveled from Hong Kong to Tokyo three weeks ago on a new entry long-term visa. There’s a lot of misinformation here, especially regarding PR and other visa holders being allowed back. PR and other visa holders have been allowed to re-enter from August 1, with all new entrants (those with Certificate of Eligibility) allowed to enter from October 1 regardless of country of origin.

Yes the pre-departure test certificate for NJ only is unfair. However, I did not submit any pre-departure test and was not tested upon arrival at Narita (seriously...I was shocked also). From my understanding countries deemed safe enough are no longer required to submit pre-departure tests. I confirmed with the consulate that effective November 1 this is indeed the case. Thankfully I took one anyways, at my company’s request, and was asked by Cathay Pacific in order to print my boarding pass. That is a separate issue though as there is zero coordination between the embassies and airline companies as I was told new entries could still not enter (even though I had a signed letter from the consulate in hand...). After an hour or so of Cathay calling Japan then I was finally able to check-in.

Can’t wait to use the travel bubble and go to Singapore soon for a business trip...

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@theResident

Are you saying, no more 14days quarantine for NON CITIZENs (not business purposes)?

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one group on facebook where people can share their difficulties is called return to Japan Support Group where members can share their experiences and help each other go through the whole headache.

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Forgot to mention the quarantine part. Japanese nationals and foreigners are subject to the exact same quarantine measures after arrival, although foreigners (except PR and spouses...may be wrong...) will need a “Written Pledge” from your company prepared pre-departure. This document needs to be stamped by the embassy/consulate pre-departure and submitted at immigration upon arrival, and basically holds your employer responsible if you break quarantine (maybe they get a fine or something).

As for the actual quarantine part, it’s basically an “onegai” to not use public transportation and to use proper judgement and stay at home unless it’s necessary to go out to shop for food, etc. I received zero instructions on what I could/could not do and no checkup phone call during the two weeks. I freely when in/out to shop as necessary and did not find it that restrictive. It’s much better than being locked in a hotel room in China and not even allowed to throw your trash away that accumulates during the two weeks.

Obviously for business travel the quarantine is too prohibitive therefore departure and arrival tests, with a detail itinerary for contact tracing purposes, should be sufficient. Of course it will not please everyone.

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At least we are allowed back in now. On arrival in Japan everybody is treated the same.

THAT is not true

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Because their Japanese and Japanese citizens can not be refused entry under any circumstances according to the constitution

Citation? Because upon reading the constitution no such right is guaranteed. Nor does it prohibit lockdowns. In fact, the Constitution does state that human rights shall be subject to the public welfare, which pandemic prevention would qualify as.

Article 12. The freedoms and rights guaranteed to the people by this Constitution shall be maintained by the constant endeavor of the people, who shall refrain from any abuse of these freedoms and rights and shall always be responsible for utilizing them for the public welfare.

Article 13. All of the people shall be respected as individuals. Their right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness shall, to the extent that it does not interfere with the public welfare, be the supreme consideration in legislation and in other governmental affairs.

Of course, as with any foundational document, its application in real life is up to the interpretation of the courts. But it is simple incorrect to hide behind the Constitution.

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