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Talking about tritium as usual as though it's the only radionuclide substance in the wastewater. Seems it's also the issue with Greenpeace have tepco and the govt addressed it yet?

Is tritium a distraction tactic? 

The environmental group Greenpeace has accused the Japanese government and TEPCO of distracting attention from the radiation levels in the water by focusing on tritium — other radionuclides will remain in the water even after it's been filtered.

"The Japanese government has done a very good job of focusing the attention of the media and the domestic audience on the tritium in the water and claiming that it poses no danger to the environment," said Shaun Burnie, senior nuclear specialist for Greenpeace.

"The contaminated water contains many radionuclides, which we know impact the environment and human health — including strontium-90," said Burnie.

Bernie told DW that leaked internal TEPCO documents show evidence that many radioactive elements, such as iodine, ruthenium, rhodium, antimony, tellurium, cobalt and strontium, will not be filtered to an undetectable level.

In addition, said Greenpeace, the ALPS is not designed to filter out the radioactive element carbon-14. 

https://www.dw.com/en/fukushima-nuclear-water-release-how-safe-is-it/a-66608666

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Talking about tritium as usual as though it's the only radionuclide substance in the wastewater.

Because, to all intents and purposes, it is. Noone, including TEPCO and JAEA, denies the existence of other radionuclides in the waste water. They are measured in great detail, the measurements are stated in great detail in their reports, and all of them are below regulatory limits. Yes, that includes carbon-14.

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Good-by going to beaches and bathing in the sea on the east coast of Japan.

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/dev/random

Today 08:22 pm JST

Talking about tritium as usual as though it's the only radionuclide substance in the wastewater.

> Because, to all intents and purposes, it is. Noone, including TEPCO and JAEA, denies the existence of other radionuclides in the waste water. They are measured in great detail, the measurements are stated in great detail in their reports, and all of them are below regulatory limits. Yes, that includes carbon-14

Yup I'll take your word for it

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Yup I'll take your word for it

You don't have to. In fact, I encourage you not to. All the reports and especially the individual analyses are public: https://pastefy.app/rfrT9QND/raw

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No one, including yours truly, wants a radioactive ocean. However, if the government is telling the truth, this water is not radioactive. We should use facts and logic, not fear alone, to make our decisions.

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However, if the government is telling the truth, this water is not radioactive. 

All sea water is radioactive to some extent, along with everything else - rocks, soil, and even our bodies. It's the level of radiation that is important.

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And JUST after "donating" to the IEAE.

albaleo: "All sea water is radioactive to some extent, along with everything else - rocks, soil, and even our bodies. It's the level of radiation that is important."

Absolutely! So why not add even more to the mix and up the radiation? I mean, if I steal chocolate from you that's bad. If I then punch you in the face, that's bad too. But since they're both bad the punch is lessened, right? Heck, they might even cancel each other out.

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Absolutely! So why not add even more to the mix and up the radiation?

Some might say there is a case for that. I haven't looked at this kind of thing for a while, but there is a notion that certain levels of radiation are beneficial. I think some long-ago studies showed that higher levels of natural radiation in some places reduced certain cancer issues. The results were a little confusing. But I think the notion is that radiation can kill both healthy cells and non-healthy cells in the body. If, at certain levels, more non-healthy cells are killed than healthy cells, then radiation is good.

Where's my Geiger counter?

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And JUST after "donating" to the IEAE.

The extrabudgetary contribution by the Japanese government prompted TEPCO to finish the ongoing release? Huh? What is your point, if you have any?

More dead fish and whales floating soon.

"More"? Because Fukushima caused that to happen before?

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"treated water discharge" = "legal nuclear waste leaking"

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And of course tepco did away with the final measurement check before discharge of the wastewater. They removed the final verification step and changed the much heralded iaea approved plan. 

The final check was supposed to verify if the end result of the plan passes international safety standards?

No need to worry about that. tepco doesn't claim it passes international standards anymore, it now says the radioactive wastewater discharge "meet radioactivity levels within the standards set by the central government and Tokyo Electric Power Company Holdings Inc.,"

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/dev/random

Mar. 17 08:54 pm JST

Yup I'll take your word for it

> You don't have to. In fact, I encourage you not to. All the reports and especially the individual analyses are public: https://pastefy.app/rfrT9QND/raw

So post here the summary of the data that support what you claim

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1glenn

Mar. 17 10:53 pm JST

No one, including yours truly, wants a radioactive ocean. However, if the government is telling the truth, this water is not radioactive. We should use facts and logic, not fear alone, to make our decisions.

So do you believe the govt is telling the truth?

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Funny how you instantly get down voted for saying anything not good about Japan and some practices here.

Yes, the radioactive water release is very good for the environment, fishing and bathing. Let's dump some more! /s

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Perhaps Japan shoud offer the CCP to treat the tons and tons of their untreated nuclear waste water before they just dump it in the sea...../s

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ianMar. 17 08:03 pm JST

Talking about tritium as usual as though it's the only radionuclide substance in the wastewater.

Still trying desperately with this line, I see.

/dev/random has already responded but I will state some further facts, just as I have done previously.

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The other (62) radionuclides are removed/reduced to safe levels by ALPS. The issue is the tritium, and that's why the water is diluted so that tritium levels are 6-7 times lower than the WHO's drinking water standard. This is verified by the IAEA.

https://www.iaea.org/topics/response/fukushima-daiichi-nuclear-accident/fukushima-daiichi-alps-treated-water-discharge/faq

ALPS is a pumping and filtration system, which uses a series of chemical reactions to remove 62 radionuclides from contaminated water. However, ALPS is not able to remove tritium from the contaminated water.

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See you and your friends on the next thread, where you will all no doubt try this line yet again.

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