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Japan court approves transgender man's request for legal recognition without needing surgery

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By MARI YAMAGUCHI

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When TV features endless gay, trans and crossdressing ‘talent’, and social and legislative acceptance is glacial, it screams of the contradictions pulling apart the social fabric in Japan.

Make a decision ffs!

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Now how about declaring the barbarous regulation unconstitutional?

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Transgender individuals are such a small portion of society and they wouldn’t receive so much attention if the hate directed towards them wasn’t so disproportionate.

They’re not hurting anyone so let them be.

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Honest question here. If she is a he now legally, then can he enter the male side of hot springs? Can he use male restrooms? Of course the opposite can be asked. If a male (male parts) legally becomes a female can she enter the female side of the hot springs?

I'm all for equal rights. I've never protested marriage rights for anyone. If two men want to get married, OK.

But this is entirely different.

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Amazing how it is such a big deal for some. Yet those same people would be indignant immediately if their political orientation were believed to be discriminated against.

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GaijinjlandToday  09:50 am JST

@Jalapeno

It’s called gender dysphoria. It’s a real thing and these people are not faking. Not the same thing as drag queens dressing as women for kinks.

Transgender individuals are such a small portion of society and they wouldn’t receive so much attention if the hate directed towards them wasn’t so disproportionate.

They’re not hurting anyone so let them be.

Agreed. It is sad that we have come to a point in time where other people are violently trying to change the entire narrative. Those with gender dysphoria (a very small population of less than 1%) have definitely gone through enough suffering as it is, yet now we have those who have absolutely nothing to do with the group coming in and telling people what is right or wrong. And whenever you try to debate with them, they never have a clear and concise argument. They just call you names that they've taken from the "word of the day" calendar and act like they are intellectual and won the argument.

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Your sex determines which half of the reproductive process you take part in if another baby is created by you and your partner.

That is a very reductionist approach that do not conform with the current understanding of human health and specially gender. This can easily be confirmed by the lack of actual authorities on the matter that share your personal opinion.

But this is entirely different.

Being left handed and having superb night vision are also two entirely different things, of course neither has to be inherently negative. The actual argument necessary about accepting or not something is not if you accepted something else, but if that is something positive or negative.

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Self diagnosing mental conditions is becoming a trend for some, but not all. Confusing times.

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For those downvoting my previous comment, look up Jordan Peterson. Call this man a "Bigot" "Transphobe" "Misogynist" all you want, but his arguments are far more clear and concise than anything I've heard from your point of views. And just to be clear, I am not saying that all of you are wrong, I just want all this hatred and political wars to stop. There is no winner in this, just let nature take it's course naturally.

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SDCAToday 10:56 am JST

For those downvoting my previous comment, look up Jordan Peterson. Call this man a "Bigot" "Transphobe" "Misogynist" all you want, but his arguments are far more clear and concise than anything I've heard from your point of views. And just to be clear, I am not saying that all of you are wrong, I just want all this hatred and political wars to stop. There is no winner in this, just let nature take it's course naturally.

Jordan Peterson has gone off the rails and was fired from his cushy uni position for his extreme right-wing views that are not in line with current scientific understanding of transgenderism.

In other words, his comments are from his personal point of view and are not based on research. So let's be clear: he is, in fact, by definition, a bigot because he is speaking from personal prejudice.

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Finally a common sense ruling - progress is being made.

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girl_in_tokyo

But then, aren't we all bigots then? I have nothing personally against you and I respect a lot of your opinions at times, but you seem to go out of your way to also push your own opinions and beliefs at times towards other commenters on this platform.

The beauty of this platform unlike others is that I can see the dislikes and likes which helps me understand there are those who disagree with me. I encourage disagreement, debating is a great thing! It helps me get a better understanding of why I have my own opinions in the first place. Trying to keep myself open minded, but at the same time I want to maintain common sense and keep values that where never broken in the first place.

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girl_in_tokyoToday  11:08 am JST

Jordan Peterson has gone off the rails and was fired from his cushy uni position for his extreme right-wing views that are not in line with current scientific understanding of transgenderism.

In other words, his comments are from his personal point of view and are not based on research. So let's be clear: he is, in fact, by definition, a bigot because he is speaking from personal prejudice.

That sounds lovely and inclusive on paper.. until you realize "the current scientific understanding of transgenderism" means absolutely nothing since it is a bunch of crackpots spouting nonsense that does not line up with reality.

The "current transgenderism scientists" often make claims such as "men can get pregnant, men and women are the same, men can become women and women can become men." All of these are physically impossible, so what is the point of trying to invoke the "current understanding of transgenderism"? As if THAT has any credibility.

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A very bad decision.

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I don't really care about these issues, as long the children aren't encouraged/allowed to make any changes to themselves until they are mature enough to understand the consequences like hormones for life and the damage caused by surgery.

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falseflagsteveToday 12:42 pm JST

I don't really care about these issues, as long the children aren't encouraged/allowed to make any changes to themselves until they are mature enough to understand the consequences like hormones for life and the damage caused by surgery.

And that age is probably about 9 or 10. I agree that may be too young to start HRT.

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That sounds lovely and inclusive on paper.. until you realize "the current scientific understanding of transgenderism" means absolutely nothing since it is a bunch of crackpots spouting nonsense that does not line up with reality.

According to whom? you? with what appeal of authority are you claiming to know more than the best medical experts of the topic?

Just because you don't want to recognize your personal beliefs can be proved wrong that is not an argument that proves so. If the scientific and medical institutions of the world are on one side and nameless people without any evidence in the internet are on the other it is obvious who is simply much more likely to be correct.

I don't really care about these issues, as long the children aren't encouraged/allowed to make any changes to themselves until they are mature enough to understand the consequences like hormones for life and the damage caused by surgery.

Good thing that the evidence clearly points to an adequate understanding without requiring some artificial degree of maturity then.

The article doesn’t say whether this individual received any mental health treatment. This is after all a mental health issue.

Its actually a biological, mental and sociological issue, as most of human health issues are.

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Virus

So maturity is artificial eh? Is that a consensus between your favourite scientists?

Kids do not have the ability to understand what transitions really entails. We do not allow children to be tattooed, drive, join the army, have sex, drink alcohol or even vote.

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@Roy

It's a legitimate concern to bring up restrooms and onsens. It raises a larger point. If a she with male parts can use the female side at will then a male will be changing clothes with underage girls. For this very reason, the government set guidelines for the age of children who can enter the onsen with a parent of the opposite sex in order to prevent adults from looking at children in the nude.

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Removal/change of reproductive organs is not necessary and should not have been done in the first place because sex does not change even if it's done

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Sex vs Gender.

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This is the dictionary definition of a man: an adult human male.

This is the woman definition: an adult human female.

Hope that helps.

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Best way to address the issue for me is to make sex and gender to be distinct and separate data items in recording people's attributes

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For people saying "transgender rights" and asking why bathroom always comes into discussion, here is something: Do you know why bathrooms and other public places where women are vulnerable (lockers, fitting rooms, toilets...)are segregated ?

This is to ensure safety for women.

You can look up all the statistics: unisex places have way more incidents that segregated places.

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Virusrex I will agree it is most definitely a mental and sociological issue, but it isn’t in anyway a biological one!

Under what evidence? You understand that without evidence to exclude a biological factor there is not merit in claiming this, right?

Kids do not have the ability to understand what transitions really entails. 

Again, according to what evidence? There are a huge lot of things that are allowed for children, much more if it is beneficial for their health. To say this is not the case (and delay opportune treatments to the point they become meaningless) you need to prove it. Else it is like trying to argue for children not to play sports since they don't know the risks that come from that activity.

This is the dictionary definition of a man: an adult human male.

This is the woman definition: an adult human female.

Hope that helps.

The transgender man of the article is an adult human male, therefore a man according to your definition, it does not seem very helpful just to repeat it but if that is what you prefer...

Best way to address the issue for me is to make sex and gender to be distinct and separate data items in recording people's attributes

How does this address the problems the intolerant people have?

You can look up all the statistics: unisex places have way more incidents that segregated places.

Allowing transgender people do not make a place unisex, you are confusing two very different things.

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It must be getting time to hold the perennially judgemental to their hypocrisy.

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What evidence have you shown other than your opinion?

So your understanding of human health is that it consist on solely one single element always, therefore it is illogical to consider an involvement of all until they are eliminated with evidence? That would make no sense.

The Biopsychosocial model of human health is not even that new:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK552028/

Thus pretending that any issue do not involve one dimension without presenting evidence of this makes as much sense as saying a person is perfectly healthy as long as it is not subjected to any examination that proves disease.

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JayToday 11:50 am JST

Ah, a good example of what I was talking about earlier.

girl_in_tokyoToday  11:08 am JST

That sounds lovely and inclusive on paper.. until you realize "the current scientific understanding of transgenderism" means absolutely nothing since it is a bunch of crackpots spouting nonsense that does not line up with reality.

Every single reputable medical and psychiatric association, such as the AMA and the APA, agree on the transgender issue.

These are not "crackpots" as you claim; they are scientists.

But I think you actually know that - you're just insulting them because you don't like their conclusions.

But if you think you know better than they do, I suggest reporting your findings by writing a paper and submitting it to a reputable journal - the great thing about science is that it will change when presented with new information. So if you have that information, you will be vindicated. Good luck on that.

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