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Japan embassy, businesses shut as more protests erupt in China

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I'm sure the labor force in the Philippines, Vietnam and Indonesia would be happy to take up the slack left by Japanese businesses evacuating China.

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@Vitruoso Especially Vietnam

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BTW, this morning's vernacular Yomiuri reports that Chinese in Wenzhou and other cities in Zhejiang Province (south of Shanghai) have begun hoarding salt, rice and other food items in anticipation of shortages that might occur in the event of outbreak of war with Japan.

yomiuri.co.jp/world/news/20120917-OYT1T00607.htm?from=main1

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I'm sure the labor force in the Philippines, Vietnam and Indonesia would be happy to take up the slack left by Japanese businesses evacuating China.

i'm sure the companies in the u.s., germany and france would be happy to take up the slack left by japanese businesses evacuating china. they would be happy to take a slice out of that $345 billion china-japan trade.

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Seems like Audi in China completely supports genocide.

http://chinageeks.org/2012/09/chinas-anti-japan-riots-are-state-sponsored-period/

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Current Chinese law regarding the foreign investment prohibits foreign companies doing business without manufacturing in China unless facing a high tariff. Leaving China means no business in China.

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It looks like China is well on it's way to banish all Japanese products from China. Unfortunate for Japan. But business goes on for others. Japan's 20% of export earnings vanishes in one shot over night, I'm sure all the Western companies will take up the slack. As well as Korea which is speeding up the FTA with China, thanks to Japan's threats of boycotting Korea. China and Korea also have promised to use each other's currencies to buy products. This will be a boon to Korean companies, thanks to Japan.

It's not really a good ideal to p*ss off two countries at the same time and lose their economic support. Oh wait, make that three countries. There's been an attempt at fire bombing the Russian embassy in Japan, by Japanese nationalist lunatics.

http://www.asahi.com/national/update/0917/TKY201209170237.html

lol...isn't taking on two enemies not enough? You have to make it three now? It looks like Japan is going crazy nationalist to the detriment to their economy.

Wow ....

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Leaving China means no business in China.

It's probably not worth it anyway, since staying in China means having your citizens attacked on the streets, your factories trashed and your products boycotted any time somebody in your country's government dares to say or do something that displeases China.

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http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2012-09/17/c_131856119.htm

And the red Chinese mouthpiece newspapers come out with more ludicrous and borderline illiterate commentary. No point even trying to deal with these clowns.

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classless people

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Japan should end all diplomatic relations with China. lol... oh but wait, that won't happen because Japan will go backwards 20 years. lol....

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staying in China means having your citizens attacked on the streets,

How many Japanese have been attacked in the streets?

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i'm sure the companies in the u.s., germany and france would be happy to take up the slack left by japanese businesses evacuating china. they would be happy to take a slice out of that $345 billion china-japan trade.

Unfortunately, labor costs in these countries would be prohibitive, which is why the Japanese businesses went to China in the first place. The lower wages paid in those SE Asian countries Virtuouso mentioned would likely to be more appealing to Japanese corporations.

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How many Japanese have been attacked in the streets?

I think so far 0. But if they are willing to kill one of their own just because he was on a Japanese car, it's not difficult to see what will happen to Japanese citizens in China.

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VirtuosoSep. 18, 2012 - 10:02AM JST

I'm sure the labor force in the Philippines, Vietnam and Indonesia would be happy to take up the slack left by Japanese businesses evacuating China.

I don't know where the Japanese expect to sell there goods, since, at present, Japan sells 25% of her exports to China.

maglev101Sep. 18, 2012 - 10:26AM JST

i'm sure the companies in the u.s., germany and france would be happy to take up the slack left by japanese businesses evacuating china. they would be happy to take a slice out of that $345 billion china-japan trade.

Ain't that the truth. The Koreans and German must laughing all the way to the factory floor at Japan's stupidity

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How many Japanese have been attacked in the streets?

I'm not keeping score, but in this morning's Asahi I read about a Japanese man walking with his Chinese wife in Shenzhen, Guangdong province, set upon by a group of two or three men. His injuries were described as "light" but he was given medical treatment. Last week in another city (sorry I don't recall the name, perhaps it was Shanghai -- like I said it's not my job to keepi score) a Japanese had a bowl of hot noodles thrown in his face. That was in a restaurant so it was not on the street.

Here's the link to the Asahi story: asahi.com/international/update/0917/TKY201209170423.html

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I don't know where the Japanese expect to sell their goods, since, at present, Japan sells 25% of her exports to China.

A large percent of those exports are in the form of production and testing equipment used in the manufacturing process and and components, not finished goods aimed at end-users. So the same exports would flow to the other countries that take up the slack from China.

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Lol im not allowed to express my opinion but anti Japanese can, yeah that makes sense moderator.

China is sensless in their foolish rioting.

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there are more peaceful asian countries that can help Japan. never go with China anymore. they seem to hate the peaceful Japanese people inside. and now that they have some leverage, they use this to do violence and express their anger. let's teach them by not working with them. remove them from your busineses. other Asian countries that have similar island disputes, better do something now or they will be doing the same. teach them a lesson. ignore them and never work with them. never hire them. they hate the Japanese people but they love stealing Japanese technology and have them as their own. like the shinkansen and without thinking about the safety of their own people. Japan is not just about technology, it's the safety of using that technology as well. every other technology has risks, it's up to the people who use them to prevent that risk to happen.

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This whole matter is getting beyond ridiculous. Does anyone even remember what they're protesting about, or is it just about breaking and burning as much as possible now?

Yet another day that makes me weep to be part of the human race, the depths of our pettiness and stupidity have no bounds.

This clip sums up well the level we're operating at as a species: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l3oUUUzOxE

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Somethings will never change. The riots and the protests against JP have been going on in China off and on for decades on end. But the Japanese businesses would go back to China and get trashed again and again. They knew what they were getting into.

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Seems like these Japanese living in Shanghai are hoping their signs of apathy will appease the general public in China.

No, it should not. If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Go back to Japan and vote Noda and his regime out of office. That is of course if you value your business and your relationship with China.

Otherwise, get some.

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TAX all imports from China. The protesters in China are selected and must have permission to come to the protest march. It is no secret. In Japan, the USA or most civilized countries only people who are concerned about a situation protest. Sign-up and government permission are needed to attend a protest in China. Just imagine a million Chinese students who should be in class at a university waiting for permission to attend and receive a check for attending a protest. How much money would that cost the Japanese government? Very little because seats in the Japanese universities are limited. Ignore these stories.

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Well, I gotta hand it to the old fart. Ishihara got what he wanted.

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Can a third world war happen again? Are you familiar with the history that led up to it? Do you think history matters?

Why do so many commenters and the Japanese media refuse to consider any historical evidence concerning the ownership of these islands prior to 1945? Why do so few people want to discuss the war of 1894 when Japan attacked China and annexed the islands for the first time? Ignoring inconvenient evidence makes it very easy to prove one's case. The vandalism carried out by some of the Chinese protesters is not the main issue. The typical Japanese working person has nothing to gain from this dispute over the islands. Why did all this really start? Are there people who benefit from the Chinese people fighting the Japanese people?

The protests against Japan were provoked by the Japanese right wing. What did the Japanese government do? Provide a legal cover for the right wing maneuvers? Who really controls Japan? Today US Defense Secretary Panetta called for "calm" at the same time Panetta signed an agreement for a new US-Japan missle defense system. Is that system "defensive" or "offensive" in nature? Have have you thought about it? Does it give the US the ability to attack China? One good thing has come out of these protests so far. China has raised the historical issues -- and history matters. Do not think that you are powerless and at the mercy of others and that your opinion does not matter.

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Little do they (Chinese) know that they are destroying their own country.

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You can argue history until the cows come home, but this conflict is really about face and attempts to avoid the loss thereof. Likewise for Korea and Takeshima. China and South Korea are not merely pressing their claims, but seem to be intentionally bent on humiliating Japan by painting it into a corner. This is indeed how wars get started.

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Aversion is what got us in this situation in the first place. People in these forums should find ways to understand and appreciate the friendship between Japan and China. War... Economic Protectionism.... right wing rethoric never helps anything.

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And when the Chinese wake up a week from now, they will realize not only have they damaged their own property, many will have lost a week of work $$$. Oh, and they will probably return to buying Japanese products, considering a large majority of domestic goods produced by local Chinese companies are TERRIBLE.

Meanwhile, Japan continues to function as if there's nothing going on...

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Interesting how Mao seems to be making a comeback. Bo Xilai was deposed for his wife's murder of Heywood, but he was vanished due to his support for neo-Maoism. A very large number of Chinese feel forgotten or abused by the current leadership and are harking back to the only past available to them when China was united: Mao.

Certainly, it makes no sense. Undoubtedly, it makes Zhongnanhai very nervous. Unrest over the Senkaku/Diaoyutai issue will eventually subside, but the tensions in Chinese society revealing themselves now will not.

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Ok, so what does China really want?? I am sure this whole SENKAKU islands fiasco is just ploy for something else.

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This is actually a staged and paid for side show orchestrated the communist party to divert attention away from the Wang Lijun trial currently taking place. Once the trial is over and the leadership hand over has taken place, things will settle down and go back to normal.

In fact, according to a friend of mine on the ground in CHN, most people (but not all) at the protest were offered a full days wages for half a days demonstration. That's why when you see the footage of the protesters on the BBC or CNN the majority of the seem to be laughing and joking.

China, is heading for a recession and they, like every other country need business and foreign investment. I can assure you, the people will NOT be interested in some remote islands that actually do not even affect them when they lose their job or cannot find work or cannot afford housing. The continued increase in labour costs is actually already making business think twice before setting up factories there.

Its the global economy, capital continues to move to where it can find the cheapest labour. The cheapest labour IS NO LONGER in China, why do you think both Apple and Foxcon are building now looking to manufacture elsewhere.

With regard to chucky3176's continued mindless, hateful posts, I can only say you do Korea and Koreans a completely dis-service. What shame.

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Why do so few people want to discuss the war of 1894 when Japan attacked China and annexed the islands for the first time?

Maybe for the same reason that no one is talking about the Mudan Incident of 1871. When the Japanese demanded that the Chinese punish leaders of the Taiwanese aborigines the Chinese response was that they were not under the control of the Chinese Government. Ergo, Taiwan isn't a part of China.

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Well, it's not too late for for all 3 parties to think about Taiwan's cooperated development plan now.

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To: The People’s Republic of China/ The New ‘’Passive Aggressive bulling Peoples Party of China.’’ In adherence to your own self-proclaimed world dominance as a World Economic King Maker as defined by your own officials through their own press releases by your own Party Officials to your public,…You China, have apparently chosen to threaten economic sanctions against Japan as a tool in order to declare that you China, are the ruling global economic power world-wide. Unfortunately, you China are an Island too. Gobi to the North, Himalayans to the west, seas, and not too many enthusiastic neighbors surrounding you thus making you hungry for resources too. … That is your real interest and current roe with my Japan, right? You’re hungry? Don’t think so? Name one neighbor that agrees with you. Do you lack EQ China? Study up on it. I taught it. Know what the Dragon Gate is? Checkmate! You lose. Yes, Mit is a long shot! Firing up me bagpipes!!!! Can you hear those swirls? Will your island production machine be fed with your much needed supplies also? Ore from Brazil and Australia just to name a few…and buyers of your economic wares? You all lose. Unless of course, you want to kick it up a notch. He-he!!!

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the chinese government, in all their greedy hypocritical wisdom, is forcing and preparing the poor people for maximum hatred against japan. obviously the chinese government is thinking about war.

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So Mote It Be.

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Elbuda, you raise a very good question. And the answer is hegemony in the South China Sea, from Korea to the Philippines. Don't think they won't try to make a claim of Okinawa before long.

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Ok, so what does China really want?? I am sure this whole SENKAKU islands fiasco is just ploy for something else.

By taking the Senkaku Islands, the Chinese can build an airfield like they did at Woody Island. The Senkaku islands become a springboard for attacks both on Taiwan and US bases in Okinawa.

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Elbuda MexicanoSEP. 18, 2012 - 01:35PM JST

Ok, so what does China really want?? I am sure this whole SENKAKU islands fiasco is just ploy for something else.

They want to divert peoples attention away from this and all the other recent and seemingly endless leadership scandals.

Dictators and certain countries in the middle east have used this tactic for years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-19632036

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severe violation of China's sovereignty my foot!! Get out of Tibet you thugs...China is big country and Japan ruled them previously and now economically controls them!! Even Chinese hate Made in China product! Let them bring on war to Japan and their ass will be kicked for sure. US will never ever allow China to take lead whatever comments Panetta makes!! These Chinese thugs need to be taught a lesson again. I will not surprised if Chinese people are hurt in Japan very soon. If Chinese gov is quiet then let it be Chinese embassy's turn in Japan.

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Bo Xilai scandal: Wang Lijun trial resumes. Wang Lijun triggered the biggest political scandal in China in years

The trial of an ex-police chief at the heart of China's biggest political scandal in years has resumed, after it began in secret on Monday.

Is the timing of all these protests just co-incidential ?

I think not.

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THIS GOES OUT TO EVERYONE, we need to prepare for the worst and hope for the best in this situation. Water, rice, and basic necessities need to be stored away in case of an emergency. IF this scales into war, we will be in trouble if we are not ready. At this point, it doesn't look good. The Chinese government is not doing its part to hold back and the Japanese government is not backing up either so war IS imminent.

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Seems like these Japanese living in Shanghai are hoping their signs of apathy will appease the general public in China. No, it should not. If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Go back to Japan and vote Noda and his regime out of office. That is of course if you value your business and your relationship with China. Otherwise, get some.

Crystalyle, it is actually funny you say this. About a country which has never valued its relations with non-communist countries, including Japan, which in the past several decades has really done more good by creating jobs there than any other country.

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JanesBlond,

Great posts. Well said indeed.

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Virtuoso: "China and South Korea are not merely pressing their claims, but seem to be intentionally bent on humiliating Japan by painting it into a corner."

How so? Both sides of this island dispute have been extremely childish, and continue to be so. Protests in both nations, those in China of course a lot more violent, activists going to the islands after old men in government nationalize them (even though Japan owns them already!). As for South Korea and Dokdo, no one's painting Japan into a corner but Japan -- the islands are already lived on, administered, and maintained by South Korea. Since they believe there is no dispute, as Gemba does with the Senkakus, there is nothing Japan can do. Had they not upped the ante with Ishihara wanting to buy the islands then time would have been on their side and it would be less and less a dispute, but now China may very well take them by force.

Anyway, hopefully with anniversaries of all these incidents -- or some, anyway -- out of the way, perhaps things will quiet down a little. I would still think they are considering asking non-essential personnel to think about coming back to Japan.

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It's ridiculous to think that these are anti-Japan demonstrations. There is a power struggle between Li Keqiang (pro-Japan) and Xi Jinping (anti-Japan) factions. The anti-Japan factions are trying to drive to the wall the pro-Japan factions in time for the the 18th National Congress of the Communist Party of China to be held in mid October.

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Japan may lose very little, but what China is going to lose is immense --- once China decides to banish Japanese products from their nation. How so? Well, China's production capabilities --- many of them --- will become disfunctional when they can no longer import or use the technologies they need from Japan. Or, maybe they are going to "steal" them --- if that's what they are only good at. l0l

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ResurfacedSEP. 18, 2012 - 02:25PM JST

THIS GOES OUT TO EVERYONE, we need to prepare for the worst and hope for the best in this situation. Water, rice, and basic necessities need to be stored away in case of an emergency. IF this scales into war, we will be in trouble if we are not ready. At this point, it doesn't look good. The Chinese government is not doing its part to hold back and the Japanese government is not backing up either so war IS imminent.

Oh please, WAR is NOT going to happen. At the end of the day it is all about MONEY and POWER. War is the last thing the leaders of China want.

They will lose both money and their grip on power and only fools would risk that over some Islands worth basically nothing in the big picture. And the Chinese leadership are NO fools. War is ONLY an option against crazy dictators and countries where the outcome is already guaranteed before the first shot is fired.

Where the AsiaPac region needs to be very careful is with small pockets of extremists and this is where China in particular needs to be very very careful. They let that genie out of the bottle and there is NO WAY to put it back, you only have to look at the southern Philippines and Thailand for a regional example.

Last thing we all need is a whole bunch of IRA (Nationalistic Extremists) type groups blowing things and people and each other up across the region. Once it starts, it goes tit for tat for years until generations become ingrained with hatred.

Just remember, China has just as much to fear from the emergence of groups like this as the rest of us. 4% of the population of China are NON Han Chinese and there are already pretty unhappy. Thats 4 million people in numerous ethnic groups that DON'T want to be part of China and already feel pretty marginalised.

This is were calmer heads need to prevail.

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The paper said Japan’s actions showed “it has not sincerely repented its past of wars of invasion and of colonial rule.”

Japan can ignore history, but can't change it. The only reason Japan has any claim to these islands is because they were given to them by the US after WW2. Japan took control of these islands from Taiwan in the late 18th century and there has been a bitter dispute about them ever since. The only reason the Chinese are so peeved is because they consider Taiwan to be part of China. This whole mess was caused by the Japanese and they should give the islands back instead of standing behind the Ishiharas and that other imperialist twit from Osaka that wants to turn Japan back into its "glorious" self. This issue will escalate and they will be military exchanges over it. Japan and China have hated each other for the last 2,000 years and this time I doubt if the will be a 'divine wind' to save Japan.

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hideo: It's not as simple, nor as one-sided, as all that. Japan would lose out far more in the short run if they could no longer import the materials they need to make and export their finished products, and already the industrial section in Japan is really hurting. If they could set up and get exchange going with other nations who could pick up some of the slack that would help, but that will also take time. In short, both lose.

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Getting outta control folks...

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china needs japan just as much as japan needs china. that's a fact. however, when it comes to ordinary people, japan has much more to lose. japan, even far from its heyday, has a strong middle class that wants peace and stability. china, on the other hand, has millions of disgruntled people still living in the extreme poverty and horrible working condition. the lack of political freedom stifles them even further. china has yet to have a strong middle class that's capable of leading its government to act rationally.

in this regard, japan seems to have far more to lose than china. that's where the danger lies in. japan really struck the hornet's nest this time and i really have no idea how the japanese gov't dug itself out of this mess they created without losing face.

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The REAL question here is, what does this mean for the status of SNH48?!?!?

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The Chinese government has played a HUGE role in all of this violence and unnecessary rioting. Everyone knows that this anti-Japan sentiment is just a convenient distraction from the real problems facing China (e.g. the ever-worsening divide between the rich and poor, government censorship, and government corruption). It is why the government controls when and where people are allowed to protest.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/09/17/161271408/china-ratchets-up-the-rhetoric-in-island-spat-with-japan?ft=1&f=1056

After all, the common Japanese and Chinese citizen could care less about these islands in the sea.

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Guess you've seen the Mao Tse Tung pictures that are being carried by the Chinese demonstrators across China. I wondered what the connection was with the Senkaku Islands issue. Perhaps it is different. It was reported on Japanese TV today (Tuesday) that someone carrying one of those pictures said it represents a period of time back in Chinese history. This person said that those carrying the Mao pictures want to return to the time when he was in power and there was only a couple of classes of people: the peasants and the rulers.

It seems that they are protesting modern times when the divide between the rich and the poor is widening. Now there is the poor class, the middle class, the rich class and, of course, the high-level class consisting of the Communist Party rulers. So these Mao pictures indicate opposition to this class setup and the fact that the rich are getting richer.

If this is true, the Chinese Government will not allow the protests to continue for much longer. The rulers don't want the commoners to get out of control and move against THEM.

It was also pointed out that if you look closely, the Senkaku Islands issue is printed in small print where the Mao pictures are flashed during the demonstrations.

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For all the sound and fury that China is generating, Japanese are remarkably composed. This is because they know these riots and attacks are just opening gambits in what is likely to be a protracted dispute. As the accumulated good will between the two countries slips away, China's unemployment will rise and growth will come to a standstill. I can't believe German and American companies will be moved to take advantage of the vacuum. They are smart enough to understand that "national risk" when applied to business means you don't invest in a country that organizes state-sposored riots, doesn't prosecute vandals and doesn't offer compensation.

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To those that think Germans, French, US etc are thinking this is great that Japan is having so much trouble in China, you need to seriously think again!

What you see happening to J-companies cud very easily be happening to other countries at the snap of some fingers. What China has done is proved to the WHOLE WORLD that we have created a MONSTER in China through investing there, a monster that will turn on who knows what next, right now the CCP is crapping themselves because they now KNOW that if the right spark ignites, THEY CANT CONTROL THEIR OWN PEOPLE!

The entire world will now think twice, 3, 4times about any more investment in China, guess what, China is likely to now lose more than they win & when the masses start losing their jos!

Implode &/or explode like I have been saying, you all now have an idea about what I was talking about, it aint pretty.

I dont think the CCP can maintain control, anyone living in China, well you do so at your own risk!

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China's unemployment will rise and growth will come to a standstill. I can't believe German and American companies will be moved to take advantage of the vacuum.

The vacuum would be quickly taken up by Korean and Taiwanese companies. If foreign companies have something to gain, I don't see why they won't move.

On the contrary, the problem would be much more serious in Japan as it will not be possible for the Japanese to find new buyers for 20% of their export in the short term and many workers will be retrenched.

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THIS GOES OUT TO EVERYONE, we need to prepare for the worst and hope for the best in this situation. Water, rice, and basic necessities need to be stored away in case of an emergency. IF this scales into war, we will be in trouble if we are not ready. At this point, it doesn't look good. The Chinese government is not doing its part to hold back and the Japanese government is not backing up either so war IS imminent.

Stope scaremongering... If China even hints at an attack the US will slap them down. They'll never allow an ally to come under attack from an aggressor nation, and China IS an aggressor nation.

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Japan and China have hated each other for the last 2,000 years

Actually the hatred only started after the Meiji revolution in the 1860s when Japan decided to build a fascist empire and colonize all its neighbors.

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Get a grip people! China calm down your embarrising your country, Japan come on what do you think your doing purchasing that stupid Rock! To the sellers of that Rock you should of just gave it back to Japan instead of making a profit and causing this mess. If it is really a part of Japan territory then they should of just taken it from the sellers and not purchased it..

China control your people! they are just destroying their own city and putting their fellow Chinese out of work.

No war its not worth it and if it does happen then China you will just press Japan into building another army and its not worth it.

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Lets all keep calm!

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The reason that some demonstrators carring Mao's picture is that a lot of people think that the current govt is too soft. Mao is a strong leader and he has fought wars with USA in Korea and Vietnam, India in 1960's and USSR in 1968 on the boarders. If Mao is alife now he will not let japan go lightly.

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Ishihara is probably pretty pleased with himself. Now watch Hashimoto make a statement about Chinese that will be a great soundbyte.

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If I were Japanese I would sure as hell not go to any Korean or Chinese restaurants!! These fools do not know the old saying, Dont bite the hand that feeds you??

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Today, in Japan, Chinese can still go out at night and not get mugged. That's how great a country Japan is. But, a Japanese friend told me, once you push the Japanese overboard, watch out.

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If I were Japanese I would also limit the number of Chinese tourists to Japan, why?? Because many of them are attacking Japanese companies etc...in China, how many of these so called Chinese tourists may even be spies for Beijing???

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****中国封じ込め! China must be contained. It's popularly embraced and frighteningly abrasive nationalism will insure it remains deeply suspected and minutely monitored wherever there are Chinese interests overseas.

Boycotting Chinese products is a start.

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Ishihara and Hashimoto will be the end of Japan.

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Boycotting Chinese products is a start.

Read the book Poorly Made in China: An Insider's Account of the China Production Game by Paul Midler. Chinese products actually get worse over time, not better. It's time for Japanese companies to leave China. And people wonder why the quality of Japanese goods made in China have been slipping.

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As long as seeing videos and pictures, thousands of protesters seem to be age of 20 - 30 under 40. I just wonder, Are they working during daytime? I heard about higher unemployment nowadays in China. They seem to be out of job. They might have a lot of time to protest but better find jobs first.

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Boycotting Chinese products is a start.

Ok. Start with your PC.

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Why China is Japan's largest income and what would happen if they leave out of it?

Some people believe that Japan should just walk out of China and look for their main income elsewhere. The funny thing is none actually provide a solid explanation on how Japan will able to maintain their current income without China.

The difference between China and Japan is pretty obvious, one has a very huge market while the other with its aging population does not have such market to fuel their growth which is why those local and foreign competitors could just simply fill up the gap as their technology isn't far off and without stable source of funds means innovation, quality and such would be affected.

Do you really think you can have the same quality of movie with a $10,000 budget compare to a $100,000 budget?

Going back to the main question where is Japan going to find such market afterwards especially in such short period of time to ensure they have enough funds to innovate their products from time to time?

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i'm sure the companies in the u.s., germany and france would be happy to take up the slack left by japanese businesses evacuating china. they would be happy to take a slice out of that $345 billion china-japan trade.

There's nothing to be sure about when venturing into China. The climate is volatile and although some western business have been successful there for a few decades there is nothing that guarantees this trend will continue. Certainly not in the light of changing leadership, economic slow down and workers unrest, workers, millions of them, who are realizing they are not getting their fair share of the pie. ,

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neobios.

One fault with your argument. Japan does business globally and not just within.

Today the whole world is interconnected, which makes business tough as it will have global impacts.

As for shutting down embassies, etc that also happened after 3/11. Standard procedure.

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The reason that some demonstrators carring Mao's picture is that a lot of people think that the current govt is too soft. Mao is a strong leader and he has fought wars with USA in Korea and Vietnam, India in 1960's and USSR in 1968 on the boarders. If Mao is alife now he will not let japan go lightly.

The demonstrators carrying Mao's picture are ignorant of the fact that he is responsible for the death of millions of their countrymen.

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To the sellers of that Rock you should of just gave it back to Japan instead of making a profit and causing this mess.

... Not much of a business man, are you...

If it is really a part of Japan territory then they should of just taken it from the sellers and not purchased it..

Generally speaking, most people frown on governments that seize a citizen's land without recompense.

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Going back to the main question where is Japan going to find such market afterwards especially in such short period of time to ensure they have enough funds to innovate their products from time to time?

Next market would be probably India that can be possible second China. Many companies which already decided to leave years ago are lately moving to India (1 billion people with cheaper labor). China is no longer cheap labor. It would be a good time to leave.

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It"S ME.

We all know Japan does business globally and the result is China is still their largest export destination.

You have not answered the question, who is going to replace China in a short period of time to compensate the loss income?

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Hello?!! This is all being orchestrated by the chinese government. How many police do you think would come out in China if the Chinese people decided to protest against their own government ? The fact they let them ransack Japanese shops and factories in China is disturbing though given most of the employees working here will be Chinese.

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i still think it's a waste of time and resources to fight over it because of something in the past instead of figuring out how this could make the two largest asian economies the one largest in the world (or is there really nothing there but dust and rocks ?)

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Firstly, it was the Japanese who occupy the islands by violence and greedy. Secondly, it was the Japanese government who started to purchase the island the raised the issue and caused the big anti-Japan riot in China.

Japanese government is the trouble maker.

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When Japanese get disenfranchise with America for being neutral or for lack of support, we might be the ones that need to leave Japan. Remember, the anti-foreigner card or ethnic card get replayed all around the World time after time. And this country is not exempt from having played those cards before.

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If we're going to boycott Chinese products, will have to throw away our computers, as cogently noted above, discard most of our other appliances, and probably need to strip naked while we're at it.

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Hello?!! This is all being orchestrated by the chinese government.

I totally agree with pioneer1. The Chinese government must feel pretty pleased with themselves that they've been able to divert anger away from them and onto Japan's claims of a rock in the sea. Those people out in the streets are there because many of them have no real jobs to go to in the first place. China's economy is fine and dandy ... for the few percentage who can call themselves amongst the very rich, but there's a steep drop from that level to the very poor, and it's getting worse and worse every year. Not to mention the fact that the government likes to make stupid decisions at the cost of numerous of its own citizens' lives and money (e.g. the costly, expensive, and shodily built rapid train system). Unless of course, Chinese people somehow think that winning a small rock in the middle of the sea will somehow put food on the table and make their lives so much better.

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@warnerbro what you mean is we would need to create new job opportunities for ourselves and make our own products again. There is nothing wrong with that in my opinion. Its wasn't that long ago that is what we were doing anyways and if we do that we will be cutting off China at the knees and they will have nobody to blame but themselves.

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“I worship Mao. If we still had Mao, then we would just go fight Japan,” said Pu Lingkuang, 34, holding up a large portrait.

Ignorance is bliss??

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I worship Mao.

Really? c'mon now really?

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chucky3176SEP. 18, 2012 - 10:57AM JST Japan should end all diplomatic relations with China. lol... oh but wait, that won't happen because Japan will go backwards 20 years. lol

Maybe quite the opposite could occur. Japan could move 20 years ahead into the future. In times of crisis, amazing things can happen at times. What might seem like something bad at an early stage could actually be for the better good. Just my 4 yen..

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Today, in Japan, Chinese can still go out at night and not get mugged. That's how great a country Japan is

cornbread1, are you really serious? You think that's something to be proud of? That's how any normal country acts. That certainly does not mean it's a 'great' country.

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Just a question: have anyone read this on Japanese media ( except for JT right here :) "some Japanese threw two smoke bombs into the Chinese Consulate General in Fukuoka in southwestern Japan on Monday." Both Chinese and Japanese like playing chess, but if they are not sitting down calmly, how can they play? We are all facing economy slow-downs and energy crisis ahead, why can't everybody aim at reaching a deal to share the resources these islands can bring??? And stop hurting business ties! Tokyo needs Chinese groups and Chinese like driving Japanese cars. Matcha, Oolong, Dragon well, a cup of tea makes everything better. To have a fish, both raw and steamed are good. In autumn, we appreciate the same flower: chrysanthemum... We do remember the bitter past, it doesn't stop us from kissing sweetly.

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Unfortunately, labor costs in these countries would be prohibitive, which is why the Japanese businesses went to China in the first place. The lower wages paid in those SE Asian countries Virtuouso mentioned would likely to be more appealing to Japanese corporations.

i wasn't referring to setting up factories, but selling your goods to the vast chinese market. the whole of SE Asia's (Vietnam, Cambodia, Philippines) domestic market potential is tiny in comparison to china's.

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Next market would be probably India that can be possible second China. Many companies which already decided to leave years ago are lately moving to India (1 billion people with cheaper labor). China is no longer cheap labor. It would be a good time to leave.

Not so simple kwatt. It takes more than a large population full of cheap labor. To set up factories, you need good power, good transportation, good infrastructure, etc. But India for the most part, are woefully lacking in this area. Not to mention all the ethnic and religious hangups that prevent a good environment for foreign investors. Even if you're right and Japan does able to successfully retool and reset their manufacturing in India, that's still not going to happen over night. What is Japan going to do to immediately replace the 20% to 25% of their exports that are lost? Stop pretending Japan is so powerful that this won't matter. This is a disaster for Japan, it's probably better for Japan to swallow their pride and apologize to China. This is what you get for poking at the hornet's nest when you didn't have to. Everyone can blame Ishihara for this, but the blame squarely lies with the Japanese who year after year, continually support and reelect this guy and others like him.

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Just hand over the islands.

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this whole fiasco over this mineral rich rocky islands is china's last hope in staying in where they are now in their most awaited status qou for decades, becoming the 2nd biggest ecomy and thus by GDP encompassing Japan. They have waited for this for too long that they will never take a NO from anyone or anything to take that grandeur away from them, even the stock market, they will despise that once they see it spiralling down against the yuan.

it's just so pathetic, Japan even helped them get in to their status qou, ODA or the help money, bilateral trade agreements etc. And yet they just destory it with a bottle of water to keep their pride and noses high.

they just don't get it. but mark it when it's own tribals start fighting each other waiving contradicting ideologies of democracy and communism. That will be historical and bloody. It will blow off even before an apprehended WWIII commences.

this is just the start.

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Happiness is: Watching angry Chinese mobs trash their own country. Keep up the good work.

Note to Americans: Their starting to burn US flags in China now too.

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Read the book Poorly Made in China: An Insider's Account of the China Production Game by Paul Midler. Chinese products actually get worse over time, not better. It's time for Japanese companies to leave China. And people wonder why the quality of Japanese goods made in China have been slipping.

lol. thats a good one ;) Of course the author can gather any info to Fit his particular goals. lol. Tell me how Apple can sell so many iPhone all over the world if the quality is crappy eh ;)

instead u should read this book http://www.amazon.com/The-End-Cheap-China-Economic/dp/111817206X

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Take a look at this very interesting chart ;)

http://i.imgur.com/p6YzA.jpg

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Only need to swallow bitter pill at once. Move Japanese businesses to somewhere else in Asia where less hostility to Japanese than Communist China and South Korea. Also they don't steal or copy Japanese Technology like Communist China or South Korea. Moving Japanese businesses from China is not only hurt Japanese Companies also Chinese economy too. So it's even money for both sides. Japan has technology and money. So hurting Japanese businesses will be short term only and will better in future. Don't buy Chinese Goods.

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^Japan is in China for 2 purposes: a. To access China's huge market b. Lower cost of labor compared to those in Japan.

But (a) is more important, and in the end Japan will lose much much more. This is a no-brainer.

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Nice to see Noda sit on his ass along with the rest of the Japanese government and say nothing. They are speechless over anything posing confrontation. Thanks to Noda and team...Japan is getting far far far behind as their concept of globalization deteriorates quickly. Sorry Japan but you simply don't exist anymore because Korea and China is swallowing you. A very sad situation.

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I got news for your Kobuta Chan, there are not many Japanese businesses in South Korea. We really don't need you, so keep on with your illusions as if Japan matters that much. Move them else in Asia, but lose the 1.5 billion people market. That's got to hurt. Look at your stock market, it's sinking, and Fitch is warning Japan that they're going to downgrade Japan's credit once more if things don't turn around soon. You guys really screwed yourselves this time. Figures, that's the punishment you get for attempting to play with economic sanctions against Korea. The same game you guys tried to pull against Korea, the Chinese are doing it to Japan. It's called karma.

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If the Chinese somehow grab the Senkaku Islands they will then move ahead with their claims to Taiwan, and all the other islands they think are theirs. They want to control all the seas of the far-east and this must be stopped. Even the Chinese don't want to be ruled by China.

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“Today is September 18, the anniversary of when Japan invaded China’s northern area, it is a good time to show them that we are prepared to fight,” said Fan Li, 31, wearing a T-shirt reading: “Diaoyu Islands are Chinese”.

That Northern Area back then was called Manchuria. The Manchurians took over China and established the Ching Dynasty. The Manchus beheaded some 2,000,000 Chinese men for failing to "wear a pigtail" as the Manchurians demanded. I wonder if Fan Li know this.

“I worship Mao. If we still had Mao, then we would just go fight Japan,” said Pu Lingkuang, 34, holding up a large portrait."

Mao Tse Tung himself together with hou En Lai met Japanmpanese PM Kauei Tanaka in 1972 who apologized to the Chinese leaders for WWII and offered to pay repatriations. Chou En Lai rejected them and chose ODA instead. Mao tse Tung joked to Tanaka how the Japanwaw invasion ofChinahelped the Chinese Communist Poraty come to power. China and Japan singed the Treaty of Friendship in 1972 and in 1978 reaffirmed it's contents. I wonder if Pu Lingkuang , 6 years old at th time,. knows this.

Mandaory "Patriotic Edication" is indeed as the Hong Kong residents claim, nothing but Brainwashing.

In the southern city of Shenzhen thousands gathered at Zhongxin Square in front of city government offices, which saw violent protests on Saturday with protesters smashing store windows and police firing tear gas into the crowds.

“Let’s go China,” they shouted, also waving flags and Mao portraits.

(c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2012. 0

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Korea ranked last in the latest OECD Main Science and Technology Indicators.

http://japanese.joins.com/article/195/159195.html

Much like China, they are simply assemblers competing one another. LOL.

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"In 2011, China was the largest market for Japanese exports, while Japan was the fourth-largest market for Chinese exports. China’s shipments to Japan totaled $148.3 billion last year while it imported $194.6 billion of Japanese goods, according to Chinese customs data. "

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-17/china-japan-dispute-over-islands-risks-340-billion-trade.html

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China doesn't have what it takes to be a superpower, their products are inferior, and the their masses have been brainwashed.

Nothing good has come out of China in centuries.

Without the support of the first world they'll sink back into the third world.

Their recent economic boom will show up as a blip in their overall decline.

Communism fails again.

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Mano - much of the Japanese exports to China are component parts and sub-assemblies being sent to Japanese factories in China, where the final product is assembled and then exported to world markets. This activity distorts the true amount of Japanese imports for Chinese consumers.

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I am also under the impression that the Japanese are playing a superb game of bluff here. Ever wondered why an area supposedly rich in natural resources has no full-time naval or heavy duty coast guard presence? What if the Japanese are fooling the Chinese into armed conflict in the middle of....the sea? They would use any Chinese invasion to their benefit globally and you cannot fit more than 50 Chinese soldiers on that island anyway. Maybe there are no natural resources with rich deposits and any conflict would be so far away from Japanese civilians. Could be one of the best games of political bluff ever. Any Chinese invasion would give Japan huge backing globally and open up renegotiation of disputes involving real resources, such as the Northern Territories and Takeshima.

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Snotface,

Japan is in China for 2 purposes: a. To access China's huge market b. Lower cost of labor compared to those in Japan.

But (a) is more important, and in the end Japan will lose much much more. This is a no-brainer.

Regardless if this conflict is settled properly or not, Japan hasnow lost the goodwill of its Chinese market/ppl, and in the short/medium terms, many Japanese companies in China will see their revenues go down drastically. Ishihara is actually good for China ;)

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Any Chinese invasion would give Japan huge backing globally and open up renegotiation of disputes involving real resources, such as the Northern Territories and Takeshima.

There u go again with your arrogant ww2 attitude! The whole Southeast Asia still remembers about Japan's brutality in ww2 not to mention the "deep-hatred" among Americans of the Pearl Harbor attack. Yeah, go ahead with that stupid game plan, and you will see how Japan's image will go down, just like your old old grandpa's dirty job with the Mukden incident huh.

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I am also under the impression that the Japanese are playing a superb game of bluff here.

lol. excellent ;)

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There u go again with your arrogant ww2 attitude! The whole Southeast Asia still remembers about Japan's brutality in ww2 not to mention the "deep-hatred" among Americans of the Pearl Harbor attack. Yeah, go ahead with that stupid game plan, and you will see how Japan's image will go down, just like your old old grandpa's dirty job with the Mukden incident huh.

The 'whole of south east asia' from 1940 are not alive anymore. And the Japanese also have a hatred of the two American atomic bombs dropped on them and the firebombing of Tokyo. Unlike you and the Chinese and Koreans however, they live peacefully.

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@tiger You dont travel much huh. The older generations are still alive and they tell the stories to the younger generations. If you read the history, it was Japan whose arrogance initiated its attack on the US, think about it, thats insanity. The American ppl still do not trust the Japanese, and you can travel to the US and ask them, they would tell that directly or indirectly.

Japan/Noda made a big mistake by botching this issue by Buying the island. It shows the old ww2 attitude without regards to its neighbors' viewpoints.

btw, Diayou belongs to China. Japan's own professor documented it here:

http://www.skycitygallery.com/japan/diaohist.html

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perhaps the Chinese doesn't want to let go the anger from the past.those people who've made mistake and made war are all gone,most of the Japanese left are people who are sorry for what their ancestors did...i had a Chinese co-worker showing me a foto of beheaded Chinese by the Japs....honestly, we're on a different era now. but what China is doing is really alarming.claiming lands of the small countries around them who doesn't want to engage in war. war is ugly,it robs people of their loved ones. China doesn't have the tsunami,earthquakes and frequent typhoons like Japan or Philippines :( ......if Japan has US Bases here , and China is still provocative, what more does China do to other asian countries???

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It's high time to leave China for all Japanese businesses. Japan can stand the downfall because they are a resilient people who have gone through many adversities to come out with human dignity, honor and civil discipline.

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maybe , when all the countries were lured to invest in China, they never thought that China would build itself for war and do what they want regardless of the rights of other countries??? a powerful communist country with powerful weaponries , is kind of volatile maybe???

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As the cost of production rises in China more and more foreign firms will pull out. They already has been a certain amount of production returning before and am sure that will speed up. I get a lot of flack using terms like Red China and communist. The people are carrying pictures of the mass murderer Mao. The man who killed millions of Chinese. 70,000,000 people perhaps more. The question will there be another revolution killing millions of Chinese?

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I am posting this to Chinese government as listed below:

1) China has a legal obligation to protect a safety of Japanese Embassy and diplomats stationed in China based on the 1961 Vienna International Convention of Diplomatic Relations. We have not seen any strong action condeming these civil disoders by Beijing.

2) Million of global weblinks are now being circulated and suggesting China is not fit for foreign investment to world leaders. Now we have a second thoughts about China. The big reason is that China encourages a civil disorder-riots and violence-against foreign diplomats and foreign business under the current law. That's not a Freedom of Speech under democracy. This is clearly a violation of safety and security to others and THIS IS a CRIME.

Uner the current Chinese law, all riots and violences are excused and not punished under a name of "Love of Country' while Beijing is not taking any legal responsibility and liability that are caused by these criminals to others. **

I am requesting a CIVIL ORDER by your government immediately!!

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uh oh

http://freebeacon.com/chinese-general-prepare-for-combat/

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It's high time to leave China for all Japanese businesses. Japan can stand the downfall because they are a resilient people who have gone through many adversities to come out with human dignity, honor and civil discipline.

You are assuming that those qualities: human dignity, honor and civil discipline. are not held up high in other countries ??

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As the cost of production rises in China more and more foreign firms will pull out. They already has been a certain amount of production returning before and am sure that will speed up.

This is actually good for China, and some manufacturing have actually been moved back to the US due to labor costs increases in China and transportation costs. Why this is good for China? China must then transform itself to move higher in innovation and value-added products, and the Shenzhen gov has succeeded in "destroying" thousands of low-level manufacturing, and now Shenzhen is home to higher-added value manufacturing and services companies.

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this is not about just Japan....i hope the whole world would respond to China's aggressiveness over the asian countries. all countries investing in China are just giving them more power to be powerful for warfare because that's where China take the investments of other countries. misunderstandings, miscommunications always happen. but with China, they're showing off that you could only bow and agree , and if you don't???......this is how i see it....they are threatful and provocative over the asian waters with their battleships:(

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There are some "hidden fees" for Japanese companies to share of their government purchasing Senkaku islands.

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"One Hong Kong newspaper said some protesters in southern Shenzhen had been detained for calling for democracy and human rights." Now THAT is a protest China will clamp down on in short order!

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Interesting how the Commie police and army allow for mass demonstrations of 'protesting' against the Japanese and their ambassadors car, nor do they do arrests. Yet if someone held mass demonstrations against the Chinese themselves they would be arrested and or killed.. Interesting way of bs brainwashed propaganda on the sheep.

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@DebuchoSEP. 18, 2012 - 10:54AM JST classless people

By reading your comment, it is hard to tell the difference between you and those Chinese.

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If there is a war between Japan and China,ever, China is the country has the most to lose, nothing to gain,at all. China is like a big, fat juicy meat everybody can share while Japan is like...bone! think about it China , before you commit yourself to a totally nonsense ,greedy conflict with Japan.

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omg i'm so scared for those japanese and their company all ruined T___T. wow china GROW UP!

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China always thinks, "We are the biggest country, so such small powerless countries must always listen to us and follow us." It seems that Chinese communist wants that way whatever.

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The problem isn't the Japanese government, it isn't Ishihara, it isn't the Senkakus, it isn't the Chinese people, and it isn't the Japanese businesses and residents of China who are living in fear.

The problem is the CCP.

This is happening at their orchestration, for no reason other than it is a convenient distraction for the upcoming transfer of politburo power in China behind closed doors, the ongoing trial of the Chengdu police chief for corruption related to the murder of a British Citizen by the wife of CCP high flyer Bo-Lai, and the recent disappearance from public view of the Chinese vice president.

The CCP is sending out the Red Guards in order to keep people patriotic and focussed on Japan while it does some ugly domestic house cleaning that would otherwise attract demonstrations and criticism of the government.

Hong Kong and Taiwan have protests but are entirely civilized about it. The problem isn't China. It is the nationalist communist party that uses thugs and extortion tactics to control its own population and the region. This issue will not be resolvable unless the straight thinking and growing educated middle class in PRC can see through the smokescreen of government orchestrated mobs to demand accountability and a say in how the country is run through democratic reform. Then there will be an opportunity for a diplomatic peaceful negotiated solution to this and other issues, making China the safe and prosperous world leader that even Japan wants it to be.

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I think both Japan and China should go separate ways but slowly enough for both to adjust the offset where Japan would relocate their factories and come out a new budget to overcome the loss of their largest income and China would assist local and foreign companies in filling up the wide gap left behind by Japan as well compensation if needed. Japan also need to move away their reliance on China's rare earth and such. The reality might be different of course as many things can happen during such period.

When another island problem occured, at least this time no more economic issue as both no longer depend on one another that much anymore.

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The wrold should leave China to itself and let it rot back to the stoneage.

I hear India would love to have every company that China hates.

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No rational person can think for even a micro-second that China is not Japan's mortal enemy. Vile anti-Japan comments on this very comment board by Chinese shill prove this beyond any doubt.

Japan must make a sweeping turn to rearmament. There is no alternative. She will suffer the fate of Tibet otherwise.

China is still a paper dragon, which is abundantly clear with her reliance on vulgar mob violence. China can and will be contained by resistance of ALL her neighbors, none of which she counts as friends except for basket-case famin ridden North Korea.

Wise up Japan - go nuclear (I mean, weapon - you know). Chinese are showing posters of mushrooms clouds over Japan - there must be no uncertainty that an attack on Japan will mean mushroom clouds over Beijing, and Shanghai. Time is short.

Note to Americans: They are now burning US flags in China now too. Know your enemy.

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Massive drop in exports from China. That is the real news.

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Japan must make a sweeping turn to rearmament. There is no alternative. She will suffer the fate of Tibet otherwise.

No, she won't. There are too many countries who like Japan, their economy, and their products, to allow it to go the same route as the third-world Tibet.

Wise up Japan - go nuclear (I mean, weapon - you know). Chinese are showing posters of mushrooms clouds over Japan - there must be no uncertainty that an attack on Japan will mean mushroom clouds over Beijing, and Shanghai. Time is short.

Quite possibly the worse possible advice that could be given at this time. China has not yet figured it out, but any country who uses a nuke in battle will be immediately attacked by all remaining countries. It isn't even a MAD situation; simply put, the use of nuclear weapons is considered in today's world to be the most unforgivable offense any civilization could put forth, and even the threat of a nuclear attack is enough to rouse opposition from all sides, as is happening in China.

China is playing the part of the playground bully, but she is playing a dangerous game. Like Saddam Hussein, she is not global enough to realize that, outside the sandbox, people take this sort of saber-rattling seriously, and the same scare tactics that works in tribal politics will not work in global politics. China and Japan are trying to save face, but at least Japan realizes that her allies don't give too much of a damn about face, and if the situation escalates, all parties will be put down fast and hard, and only when all are safely on the ground are people going to relax and figure out who gets what. The side that stayed cool and unprovoked will be deemed less dangerous; the side that thinks sending 1000 horsemen to strut in full view is an arguably innocent move will be considered dangerously childish.

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Sorry to have to disagree Mr. cabadaje, though I gave your well written and interesting comment a thumbs up.

China sees herself as the new master of Asia, and will eventually expect unquestioned adherence to her unilateral demands without debate or negotiation. China thinks it is the new Qing Dowager and expects Japan to kowtow like a court eunuch.

Japan must never allow herself to be in the position of having to genuflect to vulgar Chinese demands of unquestioned compliance. Thus, Japan must be nuclear armed. I'm not talking about first strike, but I am taking about unambiguous ability to inflict a mortal 2nd strike. Japan can do it, and she must.

I have a feeling this latest display of orchestrated mob violence has removed all doubt that China can only be viewed as public enemy no. 1, and to be unarmed with this menace in the neighborhood is folly.

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There is certainly nothing wrong with disagreement, certainly not when it is done in a civil and rational manner, especially not when it is done respectfully.

Respect, of course, is not defined as agreement or kowtowing, but rather as understanding. One shows respect by taking the time to understand the position of others, and in return is afforded the same respect.

Unfortunately, there are those whose response is more along the lines of harsh words and threats, despite the inability or impracticality of actually carrying out those threats. To the people, these threats and ad homs may seem like the epitome of cunning, and indeed, they may have supporters cheering them on, but inasfar as respect goes, their circle rarely extends beyond these casual supporters. There are those who are a bit more educated in these matters, who have put in the time to understand both factions of the argument, and to these people, the violent and aggressive responses are, quite simply...unworthy of response. In other words, they wait silently and politely for something that actually merits some sort of statement. They do not need to verbally re-affirm their position once it has already been stated. Nor do they need to resort to verbal threats or arguments of authority (particularly physical authority). These types of arguments have limited power at the higher levels of discussion. Woody Allen made the comment that he would be cold if someone stole his coat, and that is true, however, until his coat was stolen, there was really nothing that could have been done, and after the coat was stolen, now the justification to take action exists. To take action ahead of time, to respond to a threat with an escalation, such as armament where none existed prior, what you have done at that point is give the other person a justification for his escalation. Stand silently (not passively, but silently), with confidence in your position, and the other person will either back down or go past the line himself, giving others the justification to bring him down.

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I don't like the deterioration of relations, both are neighbours and have to live with each other for aeons after all of us are gone. However, legally, the Cairo & Potsdam Declarations were to be ratified by Japan, and their claim over islands they annexed during their period of imperialism ensures the WW2 wounds will not heal. China isn't only cheap labour, if only it were this simple. Other nations may be cheaper, eg. India & Vietnam, but do they have the infrastructure in place to support a viable manufacturing base, for export, and for domestic distribution? What is the collective buying power of all of these countries combined? And what about political and social stability? Vietnam is going through its own internal struggles and rampant inflation. Japan will suffer the consequences of economic boycott, not only losing their biggest market, but also losing their competitive edge vis Germany, S. Korea, etc. I don't understand how a people who can take on the calamities of the tsunami and Fukushima with equanimity come to condone the stirring up of the hornet's nest with its giant neighbour, led by the trouble-making Rightwing. I am surprised that cooler heads do not prevail, even on this site, with calls for escalation, which simply hurts average, ordinary Japanese, still reeling from the devastation of 3/11.

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"Wise up Japan - go nuclear (I mean, weapon - you know). Chinese are showing posters of mushrooms clouds over Japan - there must be no uncertainty that an attack on Japan will mean mushroom clouds over Beijing, and Shanghai. Time is short.

Note to Americans: They are now burning US flags in China now too. Know your enemy."

Senkaku islands --- China had never officially claimed its territorial right until one day they discovered the enormous amount of gas under water there. And after that they learned of its geopolitical importance --- from Senkaku waters their nuclear subs can bomb the US. What China wants to destroy is not Japan, but the US.

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Naaahhhh China is just daring the world. They know they cannot go Nuke War. It will kill them all too. The best thing Japan can do, since the relation has been damaged, eye for an eye. For every Japanese businesses they destroy in China , do the same in Chinese businesses in Japan. Yokohama got lots of it. I am sure other asian countries China had bullied will follow suit like Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia... IMO

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The best thing Japan can do, since the relation has been damaged, eye for an eye. For every Japanese businesses they destroy in China , do the same in Chinese businesses in Japan.

Code of Hammurabi: "Life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe." (The law following this one talks about how you should kill the slave that blinds its owner).

Mahatma Gandhi: "An-eye-for-an-eye... ends in making everybody blind."

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