Japan, with eye on Olympics, lines up half a billion doses of COVID-19 vaccine

The presence of HIV-related elements in such a small fraction -- less than 1% -- of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, suggests that these could not have been inserted naturally, Perez and Montagnier argue. The virus must have been artificially engineered, they say.

vaccines ??? you mean a placebo or sterilizer with mercury inside. give the shot to all politicians in public first.

Olympics game is history. who cares?

Japan is on track to have 521 million doses of five different vaccines in 2021, compared with a population of 126 million. Recent deals include global arrangements with such drugmakers as Pfizer Inc and AstraZeneca PLC, as well as local deals with the likes of Shionogi & Co.

And people still can't see that the fear and hysteria around COVID19 was simply leading to mass profits for big pharma and governments willing to jump on the bandwagon...

No conspiracy. Just modern day capitalism.

"We will do our best...."

Famous last words.

The presence of HIV-related elements in such a small fraction -- less than 1% -- of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, suggests that these could not have been inserted naturally, Perez and Montagnier argue. The virus must have been artificially engineered, they say.

That is false, a lie product of incompetence from "researchers" that had no understanding of the topic and already debunked in many places around the web. Strings of 3-4 amino acids to be considered "coming from HIV" is nonsense because it would mean every virus in the world comes from HIV, the same strings are also present in related coronavirus sequenced from before the HIV was.

vaccines ??? you mean a placebo or sterilizer with mercury inside. give the shot to all politicians in public first.

Placebo that is compared to placebo and found to be much more effective? that makes no sense. Maybe you don't understand what placebo means. And no, there is more mercury in your blood than in any modern vaccine, getting vaccinated means the mercury in your blood is diluted.

And people still can't see that the fear and hysteria around COVID19 was simply leading to mass profits for big pharma and governments willing to jump on the bandwagon...

No, that still makes no sense, a few thousand people hospitalized is enough to give much more profits than millions of vaccine doses. Not having a vaccine leads to more profits to "big pharma".

Millions of cases and hundreds of thousands of deaths even under extremely heavy measures that disrupt the life and economy of all countries is enough to justify giving importance to the pandemic. For some people as long as they and their close family members are fine the rest of the world can die and that is why they don't care about it, but for rational, compassionate people getting a safe and effective health measure that can solve the problem means a lot and would consider it a positive thing and worth someone getting rewarded for doing it.

With all those doses, do they plan to vaccinate the tens of thousands of atheletes, trainers, coaches, athelete family, IOC staff, foreign media, dignitary guests, sponsors and their guests, and whatever international audiance they also let in?

On the day he announced his resignation as premier, Abe sought to reassure domestic and foreign audiences that the coronavirus was under control.

More lies from Abe. Didn't he once claim that everything was under control in Fukushima?

We will do our best to prevent coronavirus infections here in Japan and also to welcome the athletes from all over the world

But you are going to deport legal permanent residents if they are found to be infected? You going to do the same for athletes as well?

But you are going to deport legal permanent residents if they are found to be infected? You going to do the same for athletes as well?

@gogogo - That was incorrectly stated here on JT yesterday and the article was re-written hours later (without announcement, but with lots still thinking its true). Someone won't be let in if the know they are infected (from the test they are suppose to take 72 hrs prior to departure for Japan) and yet still decide to travel. (though its unlikely they will be allowed to fly anyway). You should re-read it.

Well, I'll give them credit (sarcasm) for planning ahead!

And we are all going to be pressured the take the vaccine I assume?

How much of our tax money has been used to "line up" a product that does not exist yet and may never? Covid 19 is new but corona viruses are not. Despite trying since vaccines became common, no one has come up with a corona vaccine and that includes MERS and SARS. Why do people not trust the government or pharmaceutical companies and are so quick to reach for conspiracy theories? This sort of news is why.

the government hopes will instill confidence that it can host a delayed Summer Olympics next year.

It's is instilling confidence in your ability to waste tax dollars. But they've already done such a great job of that, this is really unnecessary to remind us.

"...but we want to hold the Olympics at all costs."

This says everything you need to know about the government.

And who on earth is going to come? The hurdles are enough to put everyone off. Take a non-existent test. Bankrupt your wallet on a 2-week stay at an airport hotel. Be prepared to be sent back home if you test positive on arrival. Yeah, they thought of everything.

BTW, I'm not anti-Olympic. I'm anti government waste. The stupid masks, the cash handouts to people who don't need it, the 'just in case' vaccines. We're all paying for this in one way or another.

@Fuzzy - We're all paying for this in one way or another.

Expect to pay even more for the vaccines. This was also announced in other news:

"Japan will exempt pharmaceutical companies and other concerned parties from liability against compensating people whose health is damaged due to vaccines against COVID-19.

The central government will provide redress to people who suffer health problems resulting from vaccinations. It will submit related bills for the measure to the next Diet session that is expected to be convened in or after October."

So drug companies can rush to make a faulty product with no worry. Sounds quite reassuring.

Read more here: http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13675845

Ok......now since we all know the govt of Japan thinks foreign permanent residents are the MOST at risk to getting the virus...........I wonder due to that kind of ""thinking"" will we foreign residents then be FIRST in line for any shots......I mean Japan wants the Olympics right.........

On the day he announced his resignation as premier, Abe sought to reassure domestic and foreign audiences that the coronavirus was under control. He pledged there would be enough vaccine for Japan by the middle of 2021

.....what the......this may well be something that has the possibility of resembling truth......that is having possible vaccine in about a years time......

Gee I wonder what that does for the Olympics........

The one HUGE thing Japan still cant SEE for some reason is that around 200 OTHER countries in addition to Japan need to have the virus under control for any shot at the Olympics.......clearly the games are NOT going to happen

And we are all going to be pressured the take the vaccine I assume?

Just as much as you are pressured to take every other vaccine or medical treatment.

Covid 19 is new but corona viruses are not. Despite trying since vaccines became common, no one has come up with a corona vaccine and that includes MERS and SARS.

Go to pubmed and search a little, you will find literally dozens of vaccine candidates for MERS and SARS that give long lasting protection safely in preclinical trials. Your confusion comes from being no incentive to put those vaccines in the market (with all the troubles that is required for a series of clinical trials) if there is no more patients around to justify it. It is perfectly possible to develop an effective and safe vaccine against highly pathogenic coronaviruses.

So drug companies can rush to make a faulty product with no worry. Sounds quite reassuring.

No, that is a non-sequitur. You skipped the part where the government put very stringent requirements for the vaccine to get approval, so they can be as sure as realistically possible that it is safe and effective. Then it can push or recommend for it to be used, and to take responsibility for that recommendation the government is the one that absorbs that risk. That still means that any company that makes a faulty product because of malice or incompetence can be made respond for that, and it will not have to defend against individual claimants on trials but against the government itself.

This system is actually better for the consumers, because claimants don't need to prove that a vaccine actually caused their problems (something that can actually be impossible) only that there is a realistic chance this is possible. That is a much more easier thing to do.

Japan, eyeing Olympics, lines up half a billion doses of COVID-19 vaccine WHICH DOES NOT EXIST YET.

There, fixed it.

Great news!

Does it come free with the ticket?

Put Tokyo on 24hr lockdown.Allow only athletes who must be quarantined in a room for two weeks. No coaches or support teams. This can be done by Zoom.

total lockdown of all borders to all foreigners.

social distancing of athletes. NO spectators allowed. Army checkpoints.

it will be the safest Olympics ever!

And people still can't see that the fear and hysteria around COVID19 was simply leading to mass profits for big pharma and governments willing to jump on the bandwagon...

No, that still makes no sense, a few thousand people hospitalized is enough to give much more profits than millions of vaccine doses. Not having a vaccine leads to more profits to "big pharma".

No, that is only true if vaccines are both safe and effective. But in reality, pharmaceutical companies will make billions selling the vaccine, and then make 100's of billions with treatments for the complications caused by the vaccines.

...you will find literally dozens of vaccine candidates for MERS and SARS that give long lasting protection safely in preclinical trials.

Yes, candidates!

How can you say they are safe (or "perfectly fine" on another thread) when only preclinical trials were done. How do we know that the people getting these vaccines will not have a severe reaction and die, as happened with animal trials of other great candidates, when they become exposed to the actual virus. Just because your "perfectly fine" candidates passed the animal test does not mean that humans will not suffer the same consequences when they eventually come in contact with the virus. That is something we will only find out after millions will be vaccinated.

"Japan will exempt pharmaceutical companies and other concerned parties from liability against compensating people whose health is damaged due to vaccines against COVID-19.

The central government will provide redress to people who suffer health problems resulting from vaccinations. It will submit related bills for the measure to the next Diet session that is expected to be convened in or after October."

Hmmm, why would they do that if vaccines are "safe"?

If you're just gonna make outright outlandish suppositions like it's not gonna be safe and effective and in reality is they're just gonna make money on the vaccines and treatment for complications, that doesn't really count for anything.

Maybe it would be good if you tell us how you found out this reality of yours.

I've reread this article and must ask do we actually have a COVID-I9 proven and tested vaccine or are we talking about angel dust? In other words, as the above poster says, "...it does not exist yet." I think the answer is a yet "angel dust."

From the above article:

Japanese officials have discussed putting on a "simplified" Games, originally expected to attract 600,000 visitors. But the event would still involve some 11,000 athletes.

Holding the Olympics requires "mass quantities of an effective vaccine", said Kenji Shibuya, director of the Institute of Population Health at King's College, London.

Staging an Olympics in a pandemic will be a huge logistical challenge...

Can you you visualize immunizing over half a million people streaming into Japan? Consider also some people will be resistant or have bad reactions to the yet to be developed vaccine.

Staging the Olympics in midst of a pandemic would be a disaster.

I am not anti-vaccine. But taking the first product available is just stupidity

No, that is only true if vaccines are both safe and effective. But in reality, pharmaceutical companies will make billions selling the vaccine, and then make 100's of billions with treatments for the complications caused by the vaccines.

That is also an obvious lie, there is no current vaccine that make any significant percentage of the vaccinated people sick. You have no data to prove that vaccines produce even a fraction of the complications of not vaccinating. That is why you can only baselessly repeat the same argument even after proved wrong repeatedly.

Yes, candidates!

well duh!, that is what I am telling very clearly. There is absolutely no reason to think those candidates are not adequate. do you have any data to say it? obviously not.

How can you say they are safe (or "perfectly fine" on another thread) when only preclinical trials were done.

Because that is why preclinical trials are done. To carefully examine until there is no realistic probability of human problems in the clinical trials. And it works much more than the alternative which is letting people get seriously sick and die unnecessarily just because fear of some nebulous conspiracy of doctors killing their family for no reason.

How do we know that the people getting these vaccines will not have a severe reaction and die, as happened with animal trials of other great candidates, when they become exposed to the actual virus.

Again, because that is why the animal experiments are done, so anything capable of giving that reaction can be safely discarded before being used in any human. Do you even understand the meaning of preclinical trials? the conditions for testing something on animals are much lower than for humans, so even things that are not likely to pass can also be included, sometimes even on purpose, to show that the tests actually are able to find problematic things without problem.

Just because your "perfectly fine" candidates passed the animal test does not mean that humans will not suffer the same consequences when they eventually come in contact with the virus. That is something we will only find out after millions will be vaccinated.

Of course not, that is something we find very early with both the preclinical and clinical trials. You know? like we do for dozens and dozens of things every year without trouble. Because the system works. Preclinical and clinical trials makes it so the vaccines are much less risky than even the asymptomatic infection.

Hmmm, why would they do that if vaccines are "safe"?

Because vaccines do not protect from every other thing that can happen to people. So every single fever, accident or health trouble that they may have "might" be related to the vaccine, even if it is not realistically likely for this to be true. Specially when saying so can get the people with problems some compensation. Either you compensate everybody just in case or let them try to prove that the vaccine caused it, fail and get nothing, but still swamp companies with the cases until the safe and effective health intervention is not available anymore, so everybody is worse.

All vaccines carry a risk, be it allergy or something else. Check out the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) (Center for Disease Control and Prevention), "Preventing and Managing Adverse Reactions." Adverse affects happen. The risks are many for a new medication that is supposed to tried en mass early next year--if it can be developed in time.

Will Japan be requiring athletes and officials to take the PCR test within 72 hours of travel and require another test and quarantine on arrival? If an effective vaccine does emerge soon, will Japan accept those who were vaccinated abroad, would they accept the certification format? Do they know it takes about two weeks from vaccination for it to be effective?

Just applying the rules to the Olympics that foreigners living here have to adhere to if they need to go abroad.

Maybe it would be good if you tell us how you found out this reality of yours.

I'm glad you asked.

According to VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System), the following negative reactions to HPV vaccines were reported as of 7/14/2018:

2773 disabled

430 dead

And according to one serious study, only a very small fraction of complications have been reported to VAERS so the above numbers should be increased at least 10-fold. And I am assuming the HPV vaccine had gone through the normal clinical trials and deemed to be "safe and effective".

Also, there is a clear link between vaccines and autism, though some will continue to reject this link.

Most current polio cases were caused by vaccines.

I can't see why anyone would take a vaccine that has not gone through the usual extended clinical trials. Especially since no vaccines for a corona virus has ever gone through such trials.

And considering the current virus is quite harmless for healthy people I agree with Christopher Glen:

"...taking the first product available is just stupidity"

Japan, with eye on Olympics, lines up half a billion doses of COVID-19 vaccine

Abe pledged there would be enough vaccine for Japan by the middle of 2021 and said the nation would relax its travel ban from Sept 1.

Sorry, I must have missed this. When was this vaccine invented?

Abe sought to reassure domestic and foreign audiences that the coronavirus was under control. 

Sorry, I must have missed this. When did the virus become under control?

What are we even reading here?

A lot of hope and speculation?

Well, I sure feel reassured. Thanks Japan and Abe, you guys make life so much better.

And according to one serious study, only a very small fraction of complications have been reported to VAERS so the above numbers should be increased at least 10-fold. And I am assuming the HPV vaccine had gone through the normal clinical trials and deemed to be "safe and effective".

I already corrected you before on this, It is a shame you still try to use this lie as an argument even after knowing it is false.

VAERS include everything that happens to a person after it is vaccinated, and since the vaccine is not meant to protect the person against every possible source of disease or harm it is obvious that people will continue to get problems from everything else, from accidents to other infections, etc. The important part is the difference between people that have been vaccinated or not, for HPV this difference has already been studied and found not significative, which means that vaccinated people have still other diseases and die, the same as if they were not vaccinated. The only difference is in their rate of complications from HPV infection, including lethal cancer, for which they actually become protected.

Also, there is a clear link between vaccines and autism, though some will continue to reject this link.

That is of course a lie promoted by a known scammer trying to sell his own deficient vaccine. Scientifically it has already been proved there is no link between vaccines and autism, known by everybody except the victims of the scammer that still want to believe him.

Most current polio cases were caused by vaccines.

whops, forgot to clarify "most current polio cases" are a microscopic fraction of what they would be because 99.99% are prevented by the vaccination? also with a much more milder presentation and rate of complications. Vaccination still means much less cases of polio around the world.

I can't see why anyone would take a vaccine that has not gone through the usual extended clinical trials. Especially since no vaccines for a corona virus has ever gone through such trials.

That means every vaccine, because phase 4 trials begin after the vaccine (or drug, procedure, etc) is already in use by the public. It is obvious no vaccine against corona has undergo phase 4, because nothing is in use by the public yet. Still, the natural infection has not been studied for long term yet, and exposing the body to a million times more antigen (and with a couple dozens more variety) that still means the infection is more likely to be the cause of any long time effect.

And considering the current virus is quite harmless for healthy people I agree with Christopher Glen:

"...taking the first product available is just stupidity"

You know what is much more harmless even for people with preexisting conditions than the natural infection for healthy people? any vaccine that is currently in use.

Is it possible that further generations of the vaccine will be better than the first? of course. But also it is much more likely that the first vaccines found will be much safer than getting the infection on the first place. You are free to wait, but that also means exposing yourself to all the risks of the covid19 infection, known and unknown at this point. Some people choosing the less risky of the options available next year has absolutely nothing stupid about it.

@virusrex

Several weeks ago I gave examples of big pharma breaking rules and some cases where companies were asked to leave countries due to underhanded practices.

I do not believe that you replied to my posting as it would obviously belittle your narrative.

Any new vaccine has to be regarded with a degree of suspicion, as you well know that approved drugs have been seen to cause unwanted serious side effects

You can admit that there are always risks, yes?

or have bad reactions to the yet to be developed vaccine

If you read published papers like I do, side effects abound. That is only with uncompleted short term trials. Long term side effects will be determined by forcing whole populations to vaccinate.

It would be helpful if you could post some data for a particular vaccine for example, influenza.

Side effects and how often it occurs, and side effects that were seen only when already in general use.

Several weeks ago I gave examples of big pharma breaking rules and some cases where companies were asked to leave countries due to underhanded practices.

You mean like they were run by humans? who could have known?

yeah sure there will always be bad actors in every kind of human enterprise, that is a very different argument from saying that in general all companies can only act like that and that inevitably a vaccine (or a drug because for this kind of argument is the same) can only be a bad product made to poison people. There are plenty of examples where this is not the case, so closing your mind to think a good vaccine is not only unlikely but even impossible is not a logical argument.

I do not believe that you replied to my posting as it would obviously belittle your narrative.

Why would that be? I can do it here without problem, it only belittle the strawman argument you think I am making, not the actual one.

Any new vaccine has to be regarded with a degree of suspicion, as you well know that approved drugs have been seen to cause unwanted serious side effects

You can admit that there are always risks, yes?

Read again my replies, I have never said that vaccines can only be perfect and side effects an impossibility. My point is that this risk is much lower than getting a serious side effect from the natural infection, there are systems in place to reduce this possibility as much as realistically possible and they work very nicely most of the time. Thinking that a conspiracy/criminal ineptitude in everybody involved (from government officials to the doctors checking the volunteers of the clinical trials) is the rule instead of the exception makes no sense.

If you read published papers like I do, side effects abound. That is only with uncompleted short term trials. Long term side effects will be determined by forcing whole populations to vaccinate

No, that is false, the phase 4 trials are made for every kind of medical intervention the same, no forcing is ever required. For example the phase 4 trials for the HPV vaccines that proved they are efficient and safe as predicted have been conducted without forcing anybody to vaccinate.

And yes, side effects on the scale of inflammation or fever are common, that is why they are included in the medical warnings done during vaccination. Serious ones? not at all, at least not to any currently used vaccine. And specially never to the degree of complications produced by the natural infection they prevent. Reducing risk to a perfect zero is impossible, for anything in the world, the actual purpose is to reduce the risk as much as possible so it is much more safer to vaccinate than to get infected.

And yes, side effects on the scale of inflammation or fever are common

... as well as paralysis and death.

As long as there is no open debate on vaccines, many people will avoid them. Perhaps the pro-vaccination side is continuing to avoid discussion because they can't defend their argument and the "anti-vaxers" are right in avoiding vaccines.

As long as there is no open debate on vaccines, many people will avoid them. Perhaps the pro-vaccination side is continuing to avoid discussion because they can't defend their argument and the "anti-vaxers" are right in avoiding vaccines.

There are few open debates on flat earth, holocaust denial, faked moon landings etc. because there doesn’t need to be.

Vaccines are one of our greatest accomplishments. Perfect, no. Saving millions of lives, yes. Better overall, definitely.

Conspiracy theories can kill.

Public servants are dreaming if they think the Olympics can be held. Of course they want to sound positive but even if cases of Covid-19 in Japan drop to low levels, say, by next May and even if a vaccine that sort of works is developed and used, Japan would be stupid to then let hundreds of thousands of spectators from basically every country in the world in. And those spectators would be stupid for coming and then taking back a viral souvenir that takes the world back to square one (or even minus one).

... as well as paralysis and death.

That has been already proved as false. Vaccinated people are in general healthier and live longer lives compared with unvaccinated people, that would be impossible if paralysis and death were a common complication of vaccines, fortunately it is not, it has never been.

If you have any data to prove that this is actually the case it would be a different situation, but there is no such a thing.

As long as there is no open debate on vaccines, many people will avoid them.

Open debate is strong and ongoing for all vaccines, the problem for antivaxxers is that both sides of that debate are for vaccines, because the scientific data is clear for the efficacy and safety of vaccines compared with the natural infection, that is why they refuse to accept this debate. Unfortunately all they have to sustain their religious beliefs are invalid arguments and false information. That fact alone disqualify their side for debate.

And people will always avoid things for reasons different than logic, at this day there are people that refuse to believe the Earth is not flat, or that microbes cause disease, or that vaccines are safe and effective. There is no amount of information that could convince someone not willing to reason. But it can help those that are still in doubt, that only have been exposed to the false information and can recognize it would be too strange if all the doctors, nurses, social workers, etc. of the world still push for vaccines and vaccinate their own children even after knowing all the information about them.

We won’t need it. I don’t see anyone holding an Olympic in 2021. Too soon. Don’t do this just to show Japan too can produce a vaccine. We don’t even seem to understand the virus well. Add politics to this spaghetti and we have a perfect mess.