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Halt it seriously

-8 ( +15 / -23 )

Japanese fishermen, locals seek halt to Fukushima water release

J Govt listen to their people? Will Japanese people ever learn?

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Around 100 fishermen and locals living near Fukushima will file a lawsuit this week seeking to stop the release of wastewater from the stricken Japanese nuclear plant, they said Monday.

Hmmm.... Why are they waiting until now? After China's boycott? There is a hell of a lot missing here.

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What?! The locals, including those who depend on fisheries for their livelihood don’t think this is a good idea? They have to be Chinese or Korean sympathizers!

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The Japanese government appear to be asleep on the job here - the cynical Chinese ban is purely politically motivated, to suit their narrative in deflecting all of the anti-Chinese criticism of their nefarious and hegemonic activities in the region.

Japan should go strongly on the front foot here and clarify firstly that the treated-water discharge is well within the agreed scientific and UN limits, and then secondly set out in very clear terms the real scale of the biggest polluter in the world, namely China: let's have clear data spelled-out on their discharges into the ocean from all of their nuclear plants and other industries, and then add this to the fact that they are responsible for emitting 25% of the world's foul-air emissions, making them the world's leading exponent of climate-change.

Wake up Japan, and start fighting back against the Chinese disinformation campaign.

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"The release to the ocean can never be tolerated as it brings about further suffering to victims of the nuclear accident," it added

Based on what science?

There is no risk from discharging this wastewater. Why can't people understand simple math?

From a BBC article:

The IAEA, which has a permanent office at Fukushima, said an "independent, on-site analysis" had shown that the tritium concentration in the water discharged was "far below the operational limit of 1,500 becquerels per litre (Bq/L)".

That limit is six times less than the World Health Organization's limit for drinking water, which is at 10,000 Bq/L, a measure of radioactivity.

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The J-Gov promised on paper not to release water without the fisherman's consent.

It is sad that the justice system will always side with the J-Gov, as there is no real separation of powers in Japan.

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The release has generated a fierce backlash from China, including a blanket ban of Japanese seafood imports.

Taiwan has placed a ban. So has South Korea and Singapore. Thailand is looking into banning.

If you look up the ocean currents though, it’s going to Hawaii and the west coast of the U.S.

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the cynical Chinese ban is purely politically motivated, to suit their narrative in deflecting all of the anti-Chinese criticism of their nefarious and hegemonic activities in the region.

Yes, but that doesn’t negate the bans out of safety such as in Taiwan and South Korea.

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For all those opposed, I've never heard any offer an alternative.

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I am wondering what those who want the release stopped, want done with this huge amount of water? It has been treated as much as it can be and is as safe as it will ever get without dilution by release into the oceans. It cant be held forever, cant be released on land, and dilution is the only other thing that can be done with it. It cant be made to simply disappear. So what should be done with it?

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Look, from the fishing industry's perspective, they would never be sincerely happy with this plan. The Japanese government's duty, however, is not only to the fishermen. It's the same mistake as the Okinawans - they want the government to favor them *at the expense of the rest (majority!) of the Japanese population*. And they wonder why after some efforts to placate them it never goes well for them.

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Taiwan has placed a ban. So has South Korea and Singapore. Thailand is looking into banning.

If you look up the ocean currents though, it’s going to Hawaii and the west coast of the U.S.

Quercetum, don't TRY to feed misinformation here! Singapore, so far, has NOT banned the imports of seafood from Japan and has already said that seafood from Japan is STILL well within the safe limits and it's SAFE for consumption! You need to be careful with what misinformation you are spreading here about Singapore's ban which is utterly FALSE!

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This was all over the TV talk shows the days and the week after the release started.

You can release it into the atmosphere by vaporization. It costs more but cheaper considering the 30 billion and 80 billion yen funds spent for financial impact and reputation damage.

The technology for monitoring radiation in the atmosphere has been established but some say it is still hard to observe.

Otherss argued that Japan's decision is based instead on the high costs of the vapor release option.

Vaporizing massive amounts of contaminated water was carried out following the 1979 Three Mile Island nuclear accident in the United States. The U.S. did not dump it into the ocean.

There was also the option of Hydrogen treatment and burying in the ground I recall.

If the water is safe and contains so little tritium, why doesn’t Japan just use the water?

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If TEPCO stops pouring water on the collapsed cores of the reactors, the cores of the three units would begin to heat up again.

Radiation levels are supposedly still incredibly high. This means TEPCO producing non treated contaminated water every hour. The tanks are getting full so they are dumping it.

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Dr David Krofcheck of the University of Auckland writes:

"The release of currently filtered cooling water containing tritium atoms from the Fukushima plant will not cause physically detrimental effects. Tritium is produced naturally as part of our normal environmental background radiation, and it travels via rain or rivers into the world's oceans. The water release is designed to have seven times less tritium per litre than is recommended by the World Health Organisation. Much more tritium has been released by normally operating nuclear power-plants into the North Pacific Ocean since those plants in China, South Korea and Taiwan were first located on coastal sites".

As I stated previously above, the politically-motivated statements and bans from China in particular, (as well as South Korea and Taiwan) are alarmist, and designed to switch the focus away from the problems caused by the most polluting country on the planet, China.

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Japan plans to discharge a vast amounts, 1.3 billion liters of contaminated water through a 1 kilometer pipeline into the Pacific over a period of at least 30 years and likely much longer. This process will likely start late this summer and may have profound detrimental economic and social effects on fisheries in Japan, and the region as well.

TEPCO has initiated testing methods for this process June 12, albeit using fresh water rather than the actual contaminated water.

The above is from a U.S. liberal college in Vermont, Middlebury College and their Monterey Institute in California.

https://nonproliferation.org/concrete-alternative-a-better-solution-for-fukushimas-contaminated-water-than-ocean-dumping/

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As I am eating a Fukushima peach drinking tea from Fukushima and drinking Fukushima water, I wonder what is the issue.

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Don't be taken in or distracted by the political shenanigans of the Government of China, to veer off the task at hand.

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what sort of fool would believe ANY government. these days ? they all "guild the lily" and lie wherever nessecary... If you can stack cars in a vertical car park in roppongi , then you can store water on land !

Im so sorry for the lively hoods of the fishermen and woman in the Fukushima Ocean area ...just coming good after the devastation and now another kick in the guts !

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All too late now, whatever people say or do. Japan has lost one of it's biggest export market with regards to seafood.

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in the first place, perpetrators of nuclear disaster ignored agreement that do nothing without sufferers' understanding.

Besides, from at first, perpetrators ignored even other option such as increasing storage on the ground on the excuse of saving cost.

And now, perpetrators and its believers repeat deception or falsehood as if eliminated all radioactivity other than tritium.

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Such a shame people out there refuse to follow the science.

The water release is safe. The seafood is safe. The IAEA has declared it safe.

End of.

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those fishermen are just waiting for Kishida bribe. wait and see...

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There was an interview on BBC with an American marine science expert, Dr Ken Buesseler, from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts. Woods Hole is said to be one of the top marine science institutions in the US. This expert gave an informative and level-headed account. The gist:

The water we are talking about has been in direct contact with the nuclear reactor core, not just cooling water (at which point the BBC host gasped and said, “so maybe it should never be released!”). JT commentators do not differentiate this: If it’s got tritium then they’re all the same.

Japan refused to share information with outside experts regarding this water. This expert wanted to obtain data about this water but could not get it. He was not happy about it.

Japan only analyzed 40% of the water and claimed all is safe and well. It has not analyzed the remaining 60%.

Almost everyone (including the voluntary Japan apologists here on JT) is fixated on the level of tritium, but supposedly that’s not the issue at all. The amount of radioactive metals in the water has not been announced, including cesium, cobalt, carbon, iodine, and several other elements. Nobody knows apparently what happened to these other highly contaminated metals in the water.

It is not proven that these radioactive metals have been removed from the water to be dumped though IAEA corroborates the discharge process

These metals will accumulate at the bottom of the ocean and contaminate marine life.

The effect will last more than 30–40 years. The so-called dilution in the sea will not change this cumulative effect of the radioactive metals (not tritium). They will not be affected by dilution or time.

He is obviously unhappy about the secretive and non-transparent way Japan handled this, blocking information to outside experts. He calls for more transparency and monitoring by independent outside experts (apparently not IAEA, WHO, or whatever other corrupted Western NGO that colluded on this travesty).

And it is common knowledge that this water will soon reach the West coast of the US and Canada.

It looks like China was a diversion tactic to deflect your attention away from the cherry picked water samples.

And it looks like tritium was a diversion tactic to take your attention off the real issues: The radioactive metals in the water.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/22/opinion/japan-fukushima-radioactive-water-dumping.html

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Halt it? Not going to happen, waste of time and counter productive for the fishermen as it just reinforces the illogical and irrational fears surrounding their products.

Irrational, ignorant and emotionally driven reaction to anything mentioning nuclear or radiation yet the same people wouldn’t question an airline flight, hiking up a mountain or having an x-ray in the dentists, all of which give a considerably increased dose of radiation to just mention a few daily exposures.

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I'm sure they'll win the lawsuit against the government and they'r 51% owned power plant.

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Roy: "People whipping themselves into a hysteric frenzy whenever they read "radioactive"."

People being smart, not whipping themselves into a frenzy. I highly doubt you eat Fukushima seafood every day, if EVER, but it doesn't make people "frenzied" to avoid it due to potential contamination -- it is common sense.

The only sad point about the objections of these people is that it's not at all -- not one mention -- about the environment; just how it affects their businesses and bottom lines.

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MartimuranoToday 07:07 pm JST

Dr David Krofcheck of the University of Auckland

Tritium is produced naturally as part of our normal environmental background radiation, and it travels via rain or rivers into the world's oceans.

This is what we call a lie of omission. Yes, tritium is produced naturally as cosmic radiation hits the atmosphere. However, the amount produced is infinitesimally small. You will note he left that bit out.

The wiki on tritium, second paragraph: "Naturally occurring tritium is extremely rare on Earth. The atmosphere has only trace amounts, formed by the interaction of its gases with cosmic rays."

The effects of tritium on biology is little researched and poorly understood.

Its just that hapless greedy capitalists like to pretend that "unknown" equals "safe". They like to gamble with OUR lives and health, but their own, not so much.

Well we don't want another Chisso Minamata, a Mitsui Mining Itai-itai, a Showa Denso Minamata, or Yokkaichi city asthma. We don't want a TEPCO-Corrupt Diet disease. We don't want to find out.

Desalinate it at taxpayer (my) expense, put it in big tanks on the pro-dumping politicans and TEPCO exec properties and let them bath in and drink it so we can have proof of its supposed safety.

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Stop fishing and live of the government subsides for the next 50 years. or sell your catch to the government and let them handle the rest.

If the government and TEPCO thinks that there is no problem then let them manage the product.

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The water release has generated a fierce backlash from China, including a blanket ban on Japanese seafood imports.

Compare and contrast the two nations of Japan and China.

Japan releases treated water, which is far cleaner than what's released from Chinese plants, under transparent, international monitoring by a recognized expert body. China implements a full ban on Japanese seafood.

China kills and sickens literally millions of people all across the world with its COVID lies and cover-ups, stymies (to this day) any proper investigation, and uses economic coercion against countries that call for such an investigation. Japan reacts calmly.

As everyone has said many times: the Chinese government are hypocrites, and the ban is purely political.

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WHAT would be the situation IF Japan did NOT release the Poison INTO the Pacific Ocean?

Would it be CATASTROPHIC ?

If NOT?

WHY DID JAPAN RELEASE THE POISON INTO THE PACIFIC OCEAN?

WHY? WHY? WHY?

*WHY? WHY?WHY? WHY?

*WHY? WHY? WHY?

WHY? WHY?

WHY????????????????????????????????????????

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quercetumToday 07:05 pm JST

Radiation levels are supposedly still incredibly high. This means TEPCO producing non treated contaminated water every hour. The tanks are getting full so they are dumping it.

No, they are treating the water to remove radionuclides, then releasing it under transparent, international monitoring by the IAEA. Your phrasing makes it sound (purposely, in my opinion, given the content of your other posts) that TEPCO is collecting highly-contaminated water in the tanks and dumping this straight into the sea.

Japan refused to share information with outside experts regarding this water. This expert wanted to obtain data about this water but could not get it. He was not happy about it.

Which experts and when? Provide a source.

Nobody knows apparently what happened to these other highly contaminated metals in the water.

Cesium and Strontium levels are reduced; other elements (62 nuclides, other than Tritium, according to TEPCO) are removed by ALPS. The IAEA is verifying all this, together with its release and subsequent monitoring.

https://www.tepco.co.jp/en/decommision/planaction/alps/index-e.html

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Is tritium produced in nature in trace amounts?

is it some kind of joke?

Is there anyone who doesn't know that approximately 7 quintillion becquerels of tritium are produced per year in the natural world, and the amount of tritium that exists in nature is estimated to be approximately 100 to 300 quintillion becquerels?

If you don't believe the scientific basis, all you have to do is stop fishing and receive compensation from the government, but do you want the price to go up?

Since the reputational damage is mainly caused by China and South Korea, it may be a good idea to denounce the cause and request guarantees from those two countries.

After all, no matter how much more tritium is emitted from nuclear power plants in China and South Korea than in Japan, there are people who don't care at all.

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The water release is safe. The seafood is safe. The IAEA has declared it safe.

There are still contaminated water that’s untreated and everyday water is scoured over the reactors. They have even started yet you say “it is safe.”

That may turn out to be true, if everything goes according to Tepco’s plans, consistently and without major mishap, for at least the next 30 years. Only time will tell.

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LucasToday 06:48 pm JST

Quercetum, don't TRY to feed misinformation here!

Exactly right. In addition to your info on Singapore, I can find no mention of a ban from Taiwan.

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2023/08/24/2003805209

TAIWAN: No ban on Japanese seafood expected: FDA

quercetum: if you have a source on this supposed Taiwanese ban, please post it so we can verify your claims.

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quercetumToday 10:26 pm JST

There are still contaminated water that’s untreated and everyday water is scoured over the reactors. They have even started yet you say “it is safe.”

Yes, there is contaminated water in the reactors, but TEPCO is not releasing any water in this contaminated state. It is releasing treated water, under international monitoring.

If the IAEA monitoring doesn't satisfy you - fine; that's entirely up to you. But don't post misleading information.

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LMFAO people have lost their freaking logical minds. If the Chinese refuse to buy the fish then let them catch it themselves or perhaps eat crow. Dependency goes both ways. The fishermen need to make a living the Chinese want to eat fish. If no one buys the fish and the fishermen can’t fish and sell it nobody wins. The CCP logic is azz wipe backwards.

The water release has generated a fierce backlash from China, including a blanket ban on Japanese seafood imports.

Japanese government offices and business have also been bombarded with thousands of nuisance calls from Chinese phone numbers.

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No, they are treating the water to remove radionuclides, then releasing it under transparent, international monitoring by the IAEA.

The monitoring is the monitoring of TEPCO samples. This has been my point. Apparently independent parties cannot go and collect samples of water claimed to be treated.

Your phrasing makes it sound (purposely, in my opinion, given the content of your other posts) that TEPCO is collecting highly-contaminated water in the tanks and dumping this straight into the sea.

Exaggerated. My issue is incompetence and credibility, not what you described. I may have come across that way to you. English is not my native tongue and in your culture it may be “shrieking” but this point is irrelevant as well. Stick to the point and not me.

TEPCO serves the sample and treatment like a waiter serving wine while IAEA watches and nods like a customer at a high end restaurant then says, “yes, this is good..,international standards.”

https://www.tepco.co.jp/en/decommision/planaction/alps/index-e.html

Link to TEPCO? That’s asking the prisoner to be his own parole officer. Everything we have is through TEPCO and IAEA via TEPCO.

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Agent_Neo wrote:

Is there anyone who doesn't know that approximately 7 quintillion becquerels of tritium are produced per year in the natural world, and the amount of tritium that exists in nature is estimated to be approximately 100 to 300 quintillion becquerels?

I often cite my sources when I make such specific claims. Why don't you?

Tritium is not naturally abundant. The overwhelming majority is man-made.

From https://www.thoughtco.com/facts-about-tritium-607915

"High levels of tritium were released into the environment from nuclear weapons testing in the 1950s and 1960s. Prior to the tests, it is estimated only 3 to 4 kilograms of tritium was present on the Earth's surface. After testing, the levels rose 200% to 300%. Much of this tritium combined with oxygen to form tritiated water. One interesting consequence is that the tritiated water could be traced and used as a tool to monitor the hydrologic cycle and to map ocean currents."

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With all the unknown pollutants in the atmosphere, and all the unknown substances in the water we drink we are still alive and walking. We just got over a deadly virus where some dropped off like flies because in area hit the mist China refused to go along with the international community and they paid a price. Internally the country is being misled by a bunch of corrupt government officials who seem to cry wolf to draw attention from the problems they caused at home. They bully smaller countries to make themselves look tough, they loan money to African nations that will bankrupt them for years and then take their resources. They draw maps claiming territories. If you look at what’s going on in the world China is a problem child and it’s time to change their pampers because they are stinking up the world.

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The world asks for permission to take water in the tanks claimed to be treated in order to characterize the water but only TEPCO has access to the waters.

TEPCO says

“Sure, we’ll provide you samples. Just wait here.”

IAEA

”Can we go and collect the samples ourselves?”

TEPCO

”Yes, but they’re safety protocols. It’d be better if you just waited here. Just wait here.” (goes and collects samples.)

IAEA

(tries to peer over the shoulders of TEPCO to see what it’s doing.)

TEPCO

”Okay here it is.”

IAEA

”These from the tanks?

TEPCO

”yeah, you can go see them right over there.”

IAEA

”Okay we’ll run our own independent analyses and let you know in a few months.”

TEPCO

”Okay, just let us know if you need more samples. Thanks for coming.”

IAEA

“No problem. We’ll be in touch.”

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Yes, there is contaminated water in the reactors, but TEPCO is not releasing any water in this contaminated state. It is releasing treated water, under international monitoring.

It is releasing water claimed to be treated.

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Oh everyone needs to just calm down. We'll know if they (Tepco and J-Gov) were pranking us all in...what...5 to 10 years. Kishida ate the fish (before contamination) So I don't what everyone is worried about, it's a giant leap from that poor dude with shaking hands who drank a cup of Chernobyl reactor water long ago.

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China is a problem child 

This is off topic. The Japanese fishermen are asking to halt the release. Maybe they think the water is contaminated and don’t trust TEPCO. Maybe they think the water is perfectly treated, all 1.3 million tonnes but still want to halt the release to save their seafood’s reputation. It’s not related to China.

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So I don't what everyone is worried about, it's a giant leap from that poor dude with shaking hands who drank a cup of Chernobyl reactor water long ago.

“On October 31, 2011, when visiting the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant, in order to prove that the treated nuclear wastewater was "drinkable", Yasuhiro Sonoda, an official of the Ministry of Environment at the time, was asked by his superiors in front of many media reporters. The treated nuclear contaminated water was "drunk in one gulp.

“at the beginning of 2018, Japanese media said that Sonoda Yasuhiro had been diagnosed with multiple myeloma; in August 2020, Sonoda Yasuhiro died of illness in Melekeok, the capital of Palau.”

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The monitoring is the monitoring of TEPCO samples. This has been my point.

The IAEA is monitoring TEPCO samples, but it is also using its own equipment and doing its own independent sampling. See section 5.2:

https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/iaea_comprehensive_alps_report.pdf

Apparently independent parties cannot go and collect samples of water claimed to be treated.

Have any "independent parties" other than the IAEA asked to collect samples? If so, who were they and what happened (with sources, please)? In any case, they'd only be doubling up the work of the IAEA so I doubt the Japanese government would authorize this. You may say it's a conspiracy; I say it's entirely reasonable and practical.

TEPCO serves the sample and treatment like a waiter serving wine while IAEA watches and nods like a customer at a high end restaurant then says, “yes, this is good..,international standards.”

See above.

Link to TEPCO? That’s asking the prisoner to be his own parole officer. Everything we have is through TEPCO and IAEA via TEPCO.

TEPCO are doing the release, and the IAEA are monitoring it independently, per the above. You can also check the IAEA site if you don't trust TEPCO. And if you trust neither of these - as I say, fine.

And I'm still waiting for your "outside experts" and "Taiwan ban" sources.

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What would you use 1.3 billion liters of sea water for, exaxtly?

Japanese Deputy Prime Minister Taro Aso claimed that it is safe to drink treated radioactive water accumulating at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

"I'm sure that the water will be diluted so that (the tritium concentration) is one-seventh of the level safe for drinking water under the World Health Organization's guideline," Aso told a press conference.

There are infinite uses of the water if it’s safe, but keep it and use it in Japan. Why would you ask that? If you’re asking earnestly, some propose to use the water to mix concrete so it won’t come into contact directly with people.

Abstract: The Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) proposes to treat 1.3 million cubic meters of accumulated, radioactively contaminated water to greatly reduce concentrations of all radionuclides other than tritium and carbon-14 by using the Advanced Liquid Processing System (ALPS). It proposed to dilute the resultant water so that the tritium concentration would be 1,500 Bq/liter, which is one-seventh drinking water guideline of the World Health Organization for that radionuclide. Japan’s Nuclear Regulation Authority and the IAEA have been evaluating the health and environmental impact questions with the presumption that TEPCO’s plan could comply with IAEA guidelines and Japan’s regulations. However, a presumption that TEPCO’s plan would comply in principle with all guidelines does not appear to include the transboundary implications of IAEA’s guidance in its General Safety Guide No. 8 (GSG-8) that requires that benefits outweigh the harms for individuals and societies. The Expert Panel of scientists appointed by the Pacific Islands Forum have recommended an option that would avoid transboundary impacts, in conformity with GSG-8. That option is to treat the water in the ALPS system as now proposed by TEPCO and then to use it to make concrete with little potential for human contact, such as the concrete being used on the Fukushima Daiichi site and/or tsunami barriers for coastal protection. This Expert Panel paper is focused on the concrete option; it should be seen in the context of the broader issues with the TEPCO plan that were covered in an overall assessment made by the Expert Panel.

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quercetumSep. 4 11:34 pm JST

> “at the beginning of 2018, Japanese media said that Sonoda Yasuhiro had been diagnosed with multiple myeloma; in August 2020, Sonoda Yasuhiro died of illness in Melekeok, the capital of Palau.”

This is not true. Its a rumor on the Chinese internet. The first clue would be him going to Palau to die. Why in the world would he do that? What Japanese even does such a thing?

The man is alive, but seems to want to be left alone.

Still, drinking that water was a damn dumb thing to do. He never so much as saw the scientists who declared it safe drink it. He never was an authority on such matters himself. All drinking proved was that he is either too weak to refuse unreasonable requests or he trusts people he barely knows and probably never met with his health.

Next to last paragraph, Japanese wiki, translated:

"Since the 2023/8/24 ocean release of ALPS treated water from TEPCO's Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station, which was damaged by the Great East Japan Earthquake, a hoax about Sonoda "died of cancer" has spread on the Chinese Internet, but Sonoda denied the hoax in response to a telephone interview with 9/2 Kyodo News."I would like to once again apologize to the people who experienced the earthquake and people in Fukushima Prefecture," he said, referring to the spread of hoaxes caused by drinking.[6]"

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9C%92%E7%94%B0%E5%BA%B7%E5%8D%9A

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This is the price for having your business depending on China.

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And I'm still waiting for your "outside experts" and "Taiwan ban" sources.

I wrote Taiwan has placed a ban and I can see how that comes across as a ban this week, which is not the case. The statement was intended to be Taiwan has placed a ban and Taiwan is not Anti-Japan and so it is not all about politics for those who are against the release. Furthermore, banning seafood from Japan is not a prerequisite to disagreeing with the policy.

Taiwan was among the first to detect mild levels of radiation in a shipment of fava beans, but decided to ban imports only after radiation was also found in a batch of imported Japanese clams back in 2011.

South Korea has banned in the past the import of food products from Fukushima, Ibaraki, Tochigi and Gunma prefectures in Japan.

Singapore has said it found radioactive contamination in four samples of vegetables imported from Japan and has extended the ban to food from two more Japanese prefectures in the past.

Singapore's Agri-Food & Veterinary Authority has said in the past radioactive contamination was found in Mitsuba (Japanese wild parsley), Nanohana (rapeseed plant), Mizuna (Japanese mustard) and perilla leaf samples. There is New Zealand and Thailand as well.

Taiwan, a friendly nation to Japan, has in the past placed bans before on seafood, seafood products, and agriculture products from Japan after detecting radiation out of safety concerns and so have other countries. It isn’t all about China or politics. Could it be out of genuine concern for Chinese citizens?

It seems ludicrous to think if a Chinese is concerned then it’s political or he’s been brainwashed by the CPC but If a Taiwanese is concerned then it’s genuine and out of concerned for safety. People and countries are concerned about the release regardless of their country’s relations with Japan.

Although we are discussing the actual release of the contaminated water claimed to be treated, the broader scope is that nations, friendly with Japan or not, have banned seafood and seafood products from Japan. No misinformation was spread or intended.

And I'm still waiting for your "outside experts" and "Taiwan ban" sources.

The first one is easy and you can look up and read on your own. I’ll just explain the comment I made on Taiwan. The Presidential candidate for the Democratic Progressive Party, William Lai, the one who visited the US recently, is calling out Japan on its lack of transparency. They may not be as vocal as China but the people in Taiwan are concerned. The link here is in Japanese. It shows Lai calling Japan out to disclose more information. The Japanese media takes it a notch down and translates it as “exchange information more” もっと情報交換. It’s a polite way of asking for more information from TEPCO with implications or in Mandarin Chinese, it should be open and transparent.

https://youtu.be/YNZSz0LV6Q8?si=fwjq1gk9M-8li-FZ

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If Japan halted the release tomorrow, it wouldn't change a thing.

Boycotts and bans were political and not based on science.

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“at the beginning of 2018, Japanese media said that Sonoda Yasuhiro had been diagnosed with multiple myeloma; in August 2020, Sonoda Yasuhiro died of illness in Melekeok, the capital of Palau.”*

This is not true. Its a rumor on the Chinese internet. The first clue would be him going to Palau to die. Why in the world would he do that? What Japanese even does such a thing?

Looks like it as many of you here have said. It just says he died in Palau. I have no idea why he went there but I’m not sure he went there to die there.

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It's not only China and Taiwan.

There's Russia, Hong Kong, South Korea, Macau and other 9 economies banning Japanese fish.

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Invoke science to claim the mandate (and say "end of").

The locals are complaining. They must be idiots too.

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Instead of demanding a halt to the Fuku rad water release these local fishermen should approach U.S. envoy to Japan, Rahm Emanuel, and offer him special discounted prices so that these safe and yummy Fuku fishes will be available in America where I'm pretty sure it will be a da-kine sold out in no time!

Bon appetit!

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The locals are complaining. They must be idiots too.

Im glad that you’ve picked that up. The voice of locals have been drowned out.

Generally speaking, people in the West have this implicit trust with Japan, which Japan exploits in this situation by diverting attention to the angry Chinese. But obviously, this propaganda has a critical flaw — it just flat out ignores all of the opinions of non-Chinese people. Instead, we are told by the Japanese (and by these blind faithful apologists) that this is purely a China problem, not a Japan problem.

However, this is further from the truth. TEPCO is infamous for cooking the books on their maintenance of nuclear power plants. It’s a credibility issue. The general ask of the entire region is that more accountability should be insisted upon when it comes to TEPCO, because while yes, the announced amount of tritium is small, it is dubious that TEPCO has perfected the process for all 1.3 million tonnes of water and there are no possibilities of mishap or even a way to falsify the process. It is just, it’s safe.

TEPCO have, time and time again, falsified numbers, then apologized and “fixed the problem,” only for new scandals to arise. Why was the head of TEPCO forced to step down?

In 2002, the president of the country’s largest power utility was forced to resign along with four other senior executives, taking responsibility for suspected falsification of nuclear plant safety records.

The company was suspected of 29 cases involving falsified repair records at nuclear reactors. It had to stop operations at five reactors, including the two damaged in the latest tremor, for safety inspections.

A few years later it ran into trouble again over accusations of falsifying data.

In late 2006, the government ordered TEPCO to check past data after it reported that it had found falsification of coolant water temperatures at its Fukushima Daiichi plant in 1985 and 1988, and that the tweaked data was used in mandatory inspections at the plant, which were completed in October 2005.

And in 2007, TEPCO reported that it had found more past data falsifications, though this time it did not have to close any of its plants.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-nuclear-operator-idUSTRE72B1B420110312

Looking at the situation today, statements made by Tepco spokesman Hiroyuki Kuroda in March 2004 seem bitterly ironic. He pledged that Tepco had "learned numerous valuable lessons" from the 2002 scandal. "One of the most important was that information should always be shared," he said.

But the company's approach to public information seemed to be precisely the opposite during the past two years. Just as it had in previous years, Tepco appears to have reported to the Japanese government only those things it was unable to keep secret. It was only when the shell of one of the reactor buildings exploded live on television on March 12 that the world became aware of the true extent of the accident.

As a result, five days after the tsunami, Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan himself visited executives at Tepco headquarters and shouted at flabbergasted engineers: "What is going on here?" He reportedly accused the Tepco officials of placing the well-being of their own company above that of the Japanese people.

"It is not a matter of whether Tepco collapses, it is a matter of whether Japan goes wrong," he is reported to have said. Afterwards, Kan named himself the head of a crisis team made up of government and Tepco officials.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/fumbling-toward-fukushima-japanese-nuclear-plant-operator-plagued-by-scandal-a-752704.html

Tproblem arises in that people in the region do not trust TEPCO and do not believe that the IAEA has diligently removed TEPCO from the decision making process, especially when data and sampling was largely directed by TEPCO. The accusations of a lack of independent investigation into TEPCO’s claims definitely should be acknowledged, and they are lodged not exclusively by the Chinese as a matter of geopolitical rivalry, but by many others in the region. The link to the video clip of William Lai of Taiwan is one example.

Surrounding nations do not lend this trust due to TEPCO’s long history of deception and would rather have that formal audit of TEPCO, with sampling solely driven by independent sources as opposed to trust in TEPCO’s methodology and homogeneity of sampling, that is all the water are the same or equally safe as claimed.

Science as many of you have mentioned here is a casualty to politics these days. The name of the propaganda game seems to be about convincing people to “trust” one side or the other, and to then justify any stance based off of that “trust” and how it must affect the standards of evidence.

In TEPCO We Trust.

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Quercetum, Singapore Government has not OFFICIALLY outright banned all seafoods from Japan (as of today, September 5th, 2023). Singapore Government is very level-headed, logical and conducts strong safety checks very thoroughly and diligently and HAS CONCLUDED that Japanese seafoods from Japan are SAFE to eat in Singapore and they are STILL being sold publicly at major supermarkets here and the majority of Singaporeans here STILL BUY and EAT Japanese seafoods! Don't keep spreading misinformation and lies here! Thanks!

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I have no idea why he went there but I’m not sure he went there to die there.

I said it was a clue not a proof.

Pretty weird and dumb for a person with a cancer caused low white blood cell count to get on an airplane to a hot, undeveloped Pacific island....unless the plan was to die in a tropical paradise.

Well, its all lies. I gave you the link. What more do you want?

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Do not give in to Chinese propaganda! Grow a spine!!!

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You can release it into the atmosphere by vaporization.

So one other option is to put it in the atmosphere, (that we breath) rather than to put it in the water we dont breath, but sometimes swim in. In both cases it would become diluted with time and currents or wind. But I would hesitate to put in in the atmosphere if it is apparently to dangerous to dilute in salt water. I dont see how that is a better option really. Rob Paul to pay Peter, six of one, half dozen of the other.

It might contaminate the fish people eat and that is better than to contaminate the beef, pork, chickens, lamb, and goats people also eat. Not to mention the vegetables it will rain down on, that we also eat.

I prefer the ocean release option. It seems it is cheaper than atmospheric release, and I for one do not eat anywhere near as much seafood as I do vegetables, fruit and meat from the hoof/feet.

Both the seas and the atmosphere have many other current sources of contamination, in the scale of things this water release is a drop in the bucket. Pardon the pun.

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Oh for dog's sake get over it.!!! There is more chance of bumping into a 40ft reticulated Python on Tokyo's main street than suffering from any thing to do with Fukishima. All this hoo ha from China is to cover up their own nuclear waste dumping, which is 10-100 more than Fukishima's.

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If anyone can provide verified samples proving radioactive contamination caused by the Fukushima water release, then the release should be halted. That's not going to happen because the radiation levels are undetectable by the most sensitive equipment. This whole situation is an opportunity for the Japanese fishing industry to diversify its markets and get away from unstable Chinese and Korean customers. The government is even helping. So take the opportunity!

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