Japan, France to hold first-ever joint fighter jet drill next week

Cool.

Cue chinese sympathizers calling it provocation to war

Obviously my posts are going over someone's head. SKorea until now supported it's own alliance with the U.S. while treating Japan as an enemy, despite the critical role Japan would play to enable the US to defend SKorea. Likewise, France has obstructed te EUs agenda towards Japan, all while acting as an "ally" of Japan and even carrying out joint exercises as this article makes clear. That is what we call talking out both ends.

But Macron is against NATO presence in Japan. Isn’t he?

Good, no deescalation from both side.

The French Dassault and Eurofighters may not be as powerful or fast as the F-15J, but they do have a few tricks to out-maneuver the F-15.

Should be a good learning experience for all.

Always good to see nations cooperating and working together. When it is a new partnership it means new things are learnt. Good for the region and for both Japan and France.

Peter14,And how can France help Japan, when they have no bases in Japan,just like the practice squad,just for show

Nothing like living under a worthless government,that cannot protect you and live under the mercy of the US

Kishida will take another overseas jaunt for the publicity snaps right?

A military must constantly train and maintain its proficiency, and joint exercises with the French military will be an unprecedented stimulus for the Self-Defense Forces. Anyone who says it doesn't make sense has no idea what an army is.

Until now, it had only been developing weapons with the United States, but now the development of sixth-generation fighters with the United Kingdom and Italy, and missile development with the United Kingdom are also progressing.

Joint research with France is also necessary for the defense of Japan in the future.

YrralToday 07:40 pm JST

Peter14,And how can France help Japan, when they have no bases in Japan,just like the practice squad,just for show

They each learn how the other operates and they learn new things that can improve their own operations. They begin to learn to integrate their forces for future operations and importantly they build up confidence in each other while making new contacts and relationships between officers and ranks. These are worthwhile and valuable in the experience gained in observing how other fighter jets perform in comparison to their own.

Anyone with military experience and doing operations along side or embedded with foreign forces understands the value such experience gives troops.

France has a nuclear powered aircraft carrier, a helicopter carrier and associated task forces and a modern submarine fleet including nuclear attack submarines plus lets not forget France is one of the few nuclear armed nations. How could France help Japan? If they became allies France could be quite helpful. The thing stopping such an occurrence is Japan's article 9.

Do not belittle the capabilities of France. It designs and builds its own ships, air force planes including fighter jets and armoured vehicles for its army, plus a suite of missiles of all descriptions. It is no super power but it is powerful none the less.

France is just a superpower: nuclear power, nuclear submrines of latest class (Suffren), aircraft carrier, legionnaires, design of latest missiles, most multiskill aircratf (Rafale), most number of armoured vehicles (after the USA) and even a joker like type soldat

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.leparisien.fr/video/un-homme-volant-lors-du-defile-du-14-juillet-14-07-2019-8116359.php&ved=2ahUKEwioprfJrpiAAxWKUqQEHaaWBwsQo7QBegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1z_vVAPP1Cf8NLv2htbJn8

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersonic_weapon

Country is second for weapon production, after the USA.

Just in disbelief for some and peaceful in appearance.

Peter14,the US military has not learnt from their own past failure, learning others to fail is a good way to get others in a worst situation than they are already in

Peter14,And how can France help Japan, when they have no bases in Japan,just like the practice squad,just for show

France has numerous island possessions in the Pacific including but not limited to Tahiti and New Caledonia. The French keep some military forces in the Pacific. The French even have a small coral atoll off the coast of Mexico, the northern most coral atoll in the world I believe.

Until now, it had only been developing weapons with the United States, 

Not true at all. Much of Japan's foreign sourced ground equipment and infantry weapons are either made in Europe or based on European designs. The Type 90 tank is a Mitsubishi copy of a German Leopard II. If you look at Japanese ships the X band radars on the big DDHs is a collaborative design with the Dutch. Many other JMSDF radars are purely Japanese designs as are most sonars the JMSDF uses. You see Italian deck guns on several classes of destroyer and frigates. Quite a few weapons and ground vehicles are uniquely Japanese including a supersonic anti-ship cruise missile and an excellent mid range ground based air defense missile system.

Desert Tortoise, I've always wondered why Americans say 'including, but not limited to'. Just curious. Surely 'including' is sufficient.

The gist of my article is that, as seen in the F-2 fighter, we have been conducting joint research with the United States in various fields other than aircraft, but in the future, I would like to cooperate with European countries and promote joint research. , meaning that it will lead to strengthening of Japan's defense capabilities.

Various excellent weapons such as Rheinmetall and Bofors have been imported since before World War II, but they were not jointly researched and produced. (Excluding license production)

When I checked the current JGSDF firearms, most of them were developed and produced domestically in Japan, so it would be a mistake to say they were made in Europe or designed in Europe.

There are two exceptions, the improved Hawk surface-to-air missile being developed by Mitsubishi with technology provided by Raytheon in the United States. Another thing is that the 84mm recoilless gun is imported from Sweden's FFV and is also manufactured by a Japanese company called Howa, so I think it is a licensed production.

The Type 90 tank is not a copy of the Leopard, but it definitely draws on the American M1 Abrams and Leopard 2, and the British Challenger 1.

Regarding the main gun, it was planned to license the Rh120, a 44-caliber 120mm smoothbore gun manufactured by Rheinmetall of Germany. The Japan Steel prototype 120mm gun was slightly superior to Rheinmetall's in terms of performance, but Rheinmetall's superiority was recognized in terms of cost performance.

In addition, the Type 90 has a fire control device that the Leopard 2 does not have, and the firing speed and movement speed of the main gun are higher than the Leopard 2. A simple copy will not surpass the original.

Regarding the Dutch X-band radar, is it the ZW radar and APAR radar developed by Thales Nederland?

The Self-Defense Forces should have developed it independently, but when did they jointly research it? At least the Thales Nederland radar is not installed on the Japanese Self-Defense Forces ships. If you know more, please let me know.