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They have been a colossal waste of money worldwide, except for the pharmaceutical industry that produced them and the givernment and media who received kickbacks.

Perhaps should have been subsidized by the Government for a select few, who these had an overall benefit. I.e. the very elderly or with some prior conditions, where the cost benefit actually maybe realized.

Mass vaccination of people at very low risk, is stupidity.

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A panel of experts on Monday proposed that the Japanese government end the free rollout of COVID-19 vaccines administered as a special measure, citing concerns over a further deterioration of its fiscal health, already considered one of the worst among major economies.

Prime evidence of Japan's strategy of dealing with the Covid crisis having a severe negative effect on its economy.

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Obviously making further vaccinations "not free" is simply going to increase the number of people who won't get vaccinated, in addition to those who didn't anyway.

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A panel of experts on Monday proposed that the Japanese government end the free rollout of COVID-19 vaccines administered as a special measure, citing concerns over a further deterioration of its fiscal health, already considered one of the worst among major economies.

Translation; The vaccines have failed. We should not waste another single yen on them.

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Each vaccine shot costs around 9,600 yen.

This is a problem.

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Perhaps the jgov should shut off the never ending corporate welfare.!.

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@the resident

Honestly speaking I don't see the relation between paying for the vaccine and being an anti-vaxxer.

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Fine for now, so long as new and more dangerous variants come out, and as long as they don't try to pass of the entire ¥9600 cost per shot. Let the people who truly want them get and pay for them. Again, though, they should prepare to drop the cost again if a newer and much nastier variant comes about, because it costs a whole lot more to shut down, which will happen if we all have to pay for shots but are required to get them.

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Low paid need to be exempted from the vaccine charges.

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is simply going to increase the number of people who won't get vaccinated

Absolutely!

But I am wondering how much will the vaccine addict people be willing to pay for their every 5 months shot?

3万円....4万円...???

Or will they also start to refuse the vaccine?

That will become really interesting...

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Obviously making further vaccinations "not free" is simply going to increase the number of people who won't get vaccinated, in addition to those who didn't anyway.

Yes, and that's a good thing.

No more government involvement in peoples personal healthy choices.

Yes, this is the same government that mid-pandemic decided to prevent doctors from prescribing IVM. They should just get out of the way.

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Prime evidence of Japan's strategy of dealing with the Covid crisis having a severe negative effect on its economy.

Nothing of the sort, if the risk from the infection is reduced to a degree that makes desirable to reduce the measures that means those measures acted as intended, and eventually things will become as with other respiratory diseases like influenza. None of the extraordinary measures used for the pandemic have been planned to remain forever, only for as long as the risk is above background levels.

Japan's economy is being affected by many factors, do you have any source that says the response against covid is the main cause of bad fiscal health? This article clearly says the fiscal problems are caused by price surges because of the Ukraine crisis and the costs dependent on the aging population.

Translation; The vaccines have failed. We should not waste another single yen on them.

Wrong translation, precisely because vaccination is successful there is now room to deal with the pandemic even with lower vaccination rates.

It’s past time for this. No more government involvement in peoples personal healthy choices. 

The government is involved because having an immunized population is less costly than the alternatives, that the population also benefit from the vaccines is a happy side effect.

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Bare of any logic. As if then the most vulnerable would swim in money to afford their necessary vaccinations. In addition, that leads to more spreading, more viruses replicating into potentially severe variants, and then you’ll need again and even more money for vaccinations, ECMO treatments and other hospital and side costs. No one denies the becoming bigger problems with fiscal health, but it’s surely not a good idea to recommend to save money from the wrongest cost area.

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Prime evidence of Japan's strategy of dealing with the Covid crisis having a severe negative effect on its economy.

Nothing of the sort, if the risk from the infection is reduced to a degree that makes desirable to reduce the measures that means those measures acted as intended, and eventually things will become as with other respiratory diseases like influenza. None of the extraordinary measures used for the pandemic have been planned to remain forever, only for as long as the risk is above background levels.

Everything of the sort, according to the experts (reading the article is beneficial to understanding it):

A panel of experts on Monday proposed that the Japanese government end the free rollout of COVID-19 vaccines administered as a special measure, citing concerns over a further deterioration of its fiscal health, already considered one of the worst among major economies.

The government has spent about 17 trillion yen to aid medical services in the fight against the coronavirus pandemic,

In fiscal 2021 ending March this year, Japan, with a population of 125 million, has administered 257 million coronavirus shots, spending 2.3 trillion yen.

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Everything of the sort, according to the experts (reading the article is beneficial to understanding it):

No part of your quote says anything related to the response against covid being the main factor for the fiscal problems of Japan, the article instead clearly explain the main reasons.

But hopes for fiscal restoration are diminishing, given recent price surges amid the Ukraine crisis, on top of ballooning social security costs including pensions and health care, stemming from the country's rapidly aging population.

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The purpose of healthcare is to save lives, not get twitter shares for being ‘edgy’.

Japan’s Covid response was certainly bungled but was bungled far less than many other places.

No lockdowns, but common sense and mass vaccination.

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Now you’ll be paying through your taxes and your income for the latest ‘jab’-what a grand world we live in…

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When I heard about this last Friday my first thought was the government dug themselves in too deep with the constant one-sided messaging about the so-called effectiveness that it was now impossible to stop without losing face. This is in light of the obvious lack of demand making clear that only a minority thinks the risk of coronavirus exceeds the risk of the vaxxines.

For reference, less than 10% of under 60s have gotten a 4th dose, and according to Kyodo as of the end of October the uptake for the bivalent vaxx is about 5% nationwide.

Less than 100 children in the 6-month to 5 year old group in entire country have gotten vaxxed, despite recommendations from the government's hand picked "experts" that everybody do so.

Each time they called for people to get vaxxed the government eroded the little trust they had left.

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Our economy in the UK is going down the toilet, yet the NHS is still giving free Covid and Flu vaccines (had my second booster - 4th jab - and flue vaccine recently)... then again, we have a combined population of 65m compared to Japan's 125m, and a different healthcare model (tax-funded free-at-point-of-access vs insurance payments)

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That the vaccine can be now considered to lose its complete subsidy is proof the level of risk has decreased enough to reach this point, which contradicts what you said would happen, there is no "vaccine addict" people as you mischaracterize, there are people that benefit from a booster enough to consider having it, and some will still have that benefit even if they have to pay for it directly.

Or perhaps the experts finally realized or acknowledged that these products do not prevent infection and transmission, and they do not reduce overall mortality. They finally came to their senses...

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If the vaccines are not free people will stop getting them. As a result, people will start dying again from covid. Nobody is going to pay nearly ¥10,000 for a vaccine. Japan is the first country I’ve heard of that wants to make people pay for Covid vaccinations. Shame on you Japan! Covid vaccines save lives!

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What I see in front of my eyes is that people, who are 3x, 4x vaccinated are getting infected, getting sick, infect others and so on...

Should I ignore that???

Many people do ignore that and telling their daily BS about how effective the vaccine is...and so on.

But not me! I do not ignore the reality!

People can do whatever they want...take 3, 4, 5 .....endless shots,... or take nothing.

It is everyone's own desicion.

But I am tired of hearing that people who refuse this vaccine are anti-vaccer, even people who are 3x, 4x vaccinated are getting infected and sick and spread the virus, and for Corona is no end in sight.

Take the shots or leave it.

It is everybody's own decision.

But blaming the people for seeing the reality, and immediately screaming anti-vaccer is nothing more than complete BS.

And the point with, doing your responsibility for the society, also lost all its credit, because the whole world knows now, that the vaccine do not stop infection.

So even you are vaccinated you are a threat for the society! Not only the unvaccinated.

What I want to see is, that people do decide by their own to take the vaccine or not, and that this anti-vaxxer blaming BS comes to an end.

The worst thing for me was, that one person here was even willing to discrimanate people who don't take the vaccine.

Can you believe that?

Can you see to what this whole Covid thing came to?

But why do I waste my time here...people willl never understand that.

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As Foreigners living in Japan, we don't have any say on what the Government should or should not do. However, this recommendation is inline with my own Personal thoughts, so I'm all for it. Stop wasting Tax payers money, which inevitably as others have pointed out, just goes into the Coffers of the Big Pharamaceuticals.

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When I heard about this last Friday my first thought was the government dug themselves in too deep with the constant one-sided messaging about the so-called effectiveness that it was now impossible to stop without losing face.

What "losing face" are you talking about? the Japanese response against covid has never been perfect, but it is well recognized to be one story of sucess and an example for other coutnries, the fact that the risk is now reduced enough to reduce the dependency on vaccines so they can be treated the same as other vaccines is an argument for their efficacy, not against it.

Less than 100 children in the 6-month to 5 year old group in entire country have gotten vaxxed, despite recommendations from the government's hand picked "experts" that everybody do so.

As long as the evidence supporting that recommendation is there this has no importance, if few people change their lifestyle and diet to a more healthy one even if the experts recommend it do you think this means the recommendation is less true?

And unless you believe the Japanese government picks the experts of the whole world this argument makes no sense either, Japan is in no way unique in the recommendation for vaccines.

Or perhaps the experts finally realized or acknowledged that these products do not prevent infection and transmission, and they do not reduce overall mortality. They finally came to their senses...

Why would they have to "recognized" something contradicted by the best available evidence? making up things you would like to believe is a very poor argument to say the experts should believe the same.

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@JTC - then you don't understand the system as the Government will still be paying for 70% :)

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What I see in front of my eyes is that people, who are 3x, 4x vaccinated are getting infected, getting sick, infect others and so on...

Should I ignore that???

If you can't validate and categorize the information in a way that is at least as valuable as the data that proves your beliefs are wrong then yes, because it is evidence of terribly poor quality in comparison with the evidence that guides the recommendations of the experts.

Take the shots or leave it.

It is everybody's own decision

But a decision can be mistaken or irrational, and unless you have the data to prove otherwise this is something that can be validly said.

And the point with, doing your responsibility for the society, also lost all its credit, because the whole world knows now, that the vaccine do not stop infection.

Well, that has been known since times of Jenner and Pasteur, the only ones that find that surprising are antivaxxer groups that promoted this fake notion as if all previous vaccines worked this way.

The worst thing for me was, that one person here was even willing to discrimanate people who don't take the vaccine.

There are valid forms of discrimination, for example when people take personal decisions that are not only irrational but also put in higher risk other people.

What would you do if a smoker said he is observing people around him living to 100 years smoking several packs a day and people that have not smoked a single time in their lives dying at 40? would that make it fine if that person wants to constantly smoke while teaching your children? what if he says the experts can be wrong all the time, and he believes his eyes and not data, and his eyes say smoking is good for your health? would you agree that is invalid to discriminate against him and his right to smoke as much as he wants?

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Waste of money anyway! Calling them vaccines is a stretch as well! Don’t stop transmission and the other bunk about lessening symptoms is highly debatable!

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Is this them just admitting they don't work but refusing to publicly accept responsibility?

Is it not? I’m just askin’

I mean I don’t need no data, just throwing doubt out there, my voice will be heard.

What am I saying? Nothing. Just askin’

/s

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And I gurantee you...that many many people who are running now for the free vaccines will consider one thing, in case the vaccine will be at a very high price,

You guys know what this thing is?

The thing what people will consider is: is it worth to pay an expensive amount of money for a vaccine which doesn't prevent me to get infected and which doesn't prevent me to get sick.

That is what the people will consider.

Let's wait and see what will be the outcome.

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No-one has ever said that the vaccines prevent the spread of the virus - they protect against serious illness. They've said that from the start. There is no cure... this simply stops more people from dying with the virus... and the various vaccines knocking about do a pretty good job of that.

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The article is wrong, each dose does not cost ¥9600. That's probably closer to the cost from here out.

Japan paid around 15 billion US dollars (¥2.3 trillion) for 880 million doses, which works out to about ¥2500 each. That doesn't include administration fees and the additional costs the medical system incurred treating side effects, nor the economic loss from the immune imprinting causing reinfection every variant.

So far, 330 million doses have been administered and there are 550 million doses left on the contract. 

For those who insist that vaxxines are the only way forward, you're in luck, there is enough to supply each of you with about 10 more. Thanks for helping the country recoup on their bad investment. 

And then there's this scene from the Diet on the 27th of October... the all cause mortality excess deaths since the vaxx roll-out started is at least double the total coronavirus deaths.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP2G6oLlWcM

2 years and 100 million clinical trial participants later, "we don't know" is not an acceptable response from the Ministry.

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So the government that wasted billions on Abe's funeral, that want to spend a fortune on more weapons for the military has suddenly become concerned about fiscal deterioration. The only way to get rid of fiscal deterioration is to get rid of the LDP and any belief there is hope in Abenomics.

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" spent about 17 trillion yen to aid medical services " Oh, so sad, and how much did you collect in taxes? Yeah, I thought so.

If one thing should be free globally, it's a pandemic vaccine. There should never be a discussion on this matters. The second you have this conversation, you are basically saying that poor people do not deserve to live.

If the gov says that a vaccine is needed to work/play/travel, and then charges a lot for that vaccine, that's gonna be a bit of a problem.

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Absolutely braindead proposal.

On the contrary, all healthcare should be free. Raise taxes if necessary.

If the deficit is a serious concern, maybe we shouldn't have blown hundreds of billions of yen subsidizing various multinational, multibillion dollar brands via the Tokyo Olympics...

There are about a thousand things that we can cut that are a lower priority than health care.

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If one thing should be free globally, it's a pandemic vaccine.

Yes, if there is a pandemic, and it is untreatable, and you have a safe vaccine that lasts longer than a couple of months, and actually prevents (or greatly reduces) infection and transmission. However, this does not reflect the current situation...

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What I see in front of my eyes is that people, who are 3x, 4x vaccinated are getting infected, getting sick, infect others and so on...

Just had my 5th vaccination (bivalent booster). Never caught COVID and in turn, have not infected anyone. Only a few of my fellow coworkers here in Japan contracted COVID after being vaccinated via their children contracting COVID at school or not taking precautions (i.e., not wearing masks, hanging out in crowded places, traveling to the US). Also recently received my annual flu vaccine. I'm doing just fine.

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The LDP government out-spent QE2's funeral with Abe's lavish funeral. But suddenly the same LDP government becomes parsimonious in regard to ending a necessary free service to inoculate the population against COVID. Disgusting.

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The thing what people will consider is: is it worth to pay an expensive amount of money for a vaccine which doesn't prevent me to get infected and which doesn't prevent me to get sick.

And why would people consider what you personally believe to be true even if contradicted by the experts? Do you consider everything everybody else believes as true?

Yes, if there is a pandemic, and it is untreatable, and you have a safe vaccine that lasts longer than a couple of months, and actually prevents (or greatly reduces) infection and transmission. However, this does not reflect the current situation..

Why would people need to abstain from a safe and effective medical intervention just because it does not adjust to your arbitrary standards? specially when the data available clearly contradict what you just believe to be the situation?

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The vaccines don't prevent infection or the spread of the virus. I am healthy and have a 99.95% chance of surviving any infection without the vaccine. These are the facts.

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According to Reuters, the U.S. government currently pays around $30 per dose (approx. 4,400 JPY) to Pfizer and German partner BioNTech SE for their vaccine. Why does the Japanese government pay nearly double?

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Actually both smallpox and rinderpest have been eradicated by vaccination but I am not surprised you did not know that

What has that to do with vaccines stopping infection? eradication can easily be achieved by REDUCING transmission, but not for all pathogens. Neither of the examples you mention guarantee the vaccinated person will not be infected, their main use was the same as all other vaccines, preventing the serious disease.

Previous non MRNA vaccines have been very successful thank you very much but this snake oil disguised as a vaccine has failed dismally. 

On one side the scientists and doctors of the world call the covid vaccines a huge success, on the other hand a nameless person on the internet says they are a failure, it is obvious who is much more trustworthy.

If it ever did have any efficacy the virus had already successfully mutated enough to make it pointless. 

Saving lives and helping controlling the risk from infection can only be called pointless by people that are not interested in public health but pushing their own ideas.

 Indeed it has changed so many times that keeping up with it and producing a vaccine in time before it mutates again is impossible even without clinical trials 

If the vaccine helps reducing the complications and deaths associated with the infection then that is still justification enough to use it, obviously adjusting the vaccine to provide better protection is good, but it is not like the original vaccines have no efficacy, that is just your personal belief and not the consensus of science.

Had everyone had simply got on with life we would have reached herd immunity a year and half ago without all the nonesence in between.

With much more suffering and death, which is why doctors consider your "solution" not a solution at all, specially because vaccination also reduces the chances of further variants appearing, making your whole point moot.

Big Pharma are laughing and back slapping each other all the way to the bank! There must be a whole heap of people feeling like they have been taken for a ride!

Since the consensus of science do not depend on any industry and the data they use to recommend the vaccines is clear and above any rational doubt your argument doesn't hold.

The vaccines don't prevent infection or the spread of the virus. 

According to the scientific data of many studies they do reduce both things importantly, what data do you have to contradict this?

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Another "divide and conquer" article.

This morning it's tobacco smoke, now the always divisive vaccine nonsense.

Keep them fighting over trivial "issues" so they don't come after us.

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I love the Japanese governments logic here. “Let’s stop giving the vaccine for free because we declared Covid to be not a problem anymore”.

meanwhile hospitals have not stopped fever screening at the door. Less people are getting tested than a few months ago. Meanwhile there was a new variant variant X in Canada and now that we have the freedom to travel across borders it’ll probably be in japan in no time if it’s not already.

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Let’s be honest… Anything given to you free by the government was or is not really free

you pay for it through your taxes.

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""Given that vaccine development efforts by Japanese companies have not borne fruit, despite backing by a government fund of around 500 billion yen, the ministry said the research and development capability of each firm should be "sufficiently reviewed.""

Almost everyone within the health care industry was and still is Pessimistic except those who were ripping off the government and claiming they were close to get results. Every time a trial too place they were further away but kept claiming they are on track and need more time.

Why develop a vaccine when plenty became available the first year into the pandemic.

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the conspiracy theory crowd tends to look at things in black or white. Nothing, especially with vaccines are 100%, No expert ever said vaccines would be completely stop spread, it's mainly to protect you from worst case scenarios after getting the virus and even that is not close to 100%. Does it effect the the chance of you catching the virus, yes but not 100% or 0%, probably more in the single digits, but that is big in itself.

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then you don't understand the system as the Government will still be paying for 70% :)

You REALLY dont know the system if you think the government is paying for it too!

The covid shot, like the yearly flu shot are NOT covered by health insurance as they are classified as "elective vaccinations" and the cost is carried wholly by the person getting the vaccination. Hence the flu vaccinations having different prices, depending upon the clinic or hospital.

There are a negligible few exceptions, and what I wrote above here is the rule, not the exception.

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 Nobody is going to pay nearly ¥10,000 for a vaccine. Japan is the first country I’ve heard of that wants to make people pay for Covid vaccinations. Shame on you Japan! Covid vaccines save lives!

Uhmm.... Pfizer has repeatedly stated the cost per shot would be between $100.00 to $130.00 per shot, once the government across the Pacific stops paying for it.

If this is the "first" country you've heard about this from, you really are not keeping up with WORLD news.

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Just had my 5th vaccination (bivalent booster). Never caught COVID and in turn, have not infected anyone. 

You can make this a supposition, but it's not a verifiable fact, unless you have been living in an infection free bubble for the past 3 years, or perhaps a deserted island, or maybe on Mars.

It is VERY possible you caught it, with no symptoms, passed it along to another asymptomatic person, who passed it to someone who caught it, and possibly died.

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In fiscal 2021 ending March this year, Japan, with a population of 125 million, has administered 257 million coronavirus shots, spending 2.3 trillion yen. Each vaccine shot costs around 9,600 yen.

all the top pzfier, us govt and health officials have caught it, some times twice after four shot. That’s ¥45000 for no protection from catching or spreading.

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How about every country in the world bill China for the vaccines? I haven't forgotten winter of 2019/2020 yet. Not sure if I ever will.

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Japans government is acting fiscally irresponsible its shockingly stupid at this point. The economy was declining before covid because a close minded approach. This will be the nail in the coffin

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9600 yen each shot??? I think someone has had there pants pulled down on this one, they dont cost that much, no way.

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@Yubaru: Incorrect! The flu shot costs about 3500 yen, of which you pay about 900 yen for .

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Simply put, the government wants to wash its hands of a highly questionable substance, and is using this as an excuse to do so. If people want to take it, fine, but why should the taxpayers fund it?

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Simply put, the government wants to wash its hands of a highly questionable substance

Nothing in the article could be interpreted this way, vaccines have lowered the risk importantly, and they are recommended by the experts of the world as safe and effective health interventions that have saved uncountable lives. Nobody is interested in washing their hands from using them, that comes completely from false assumptions that can be proved wrong scientifically.

 If people want to take it, fine, but why should the taxpayers fund it?

Because the alternative (at least until now) is much more costly for the taxpayers, people dying even from unrelated health problems because hospitals are swamped with people having serious problems and dying from covid has a very serious economic cost as well.

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Japans government is acting fiscally irresponsible its shockingly stupid at this point.

No, they acted shockingly stupid when they decided to make them free for all. At most, they should have made them cheap or free for the vulnerable. But not for the young and healthy, who do not benefit from these products.

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How about every country in the world bill China for the vaccines?

Good point, but don't forget that the US also played an important role in this.

I love the Japanese governments logic here. “Let’s stop giving the vaccine for free because we declared Covid to be not a problem anymore”.

No, it's because they realized these products are not beneficial overall. For the young and healthy, the risk outweighs the benefit.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

No, they acted shockingly stupid when they decided to make them free for all.

How so? a safe and effective health intervention that helped preventing a huge economic disaster by keeping people healthy and alive? that is the opposite of acting stupidly, that would be the case if they for example used the money in useless drugs that only increase the risk as you have repeatedly recommended.

According to the experts covid remains a risk even for young healthy people that are better vaccinated, pretending they are all wrong around the world is not an argument.

No, it's because they realized these products are not beneficial overall. For the young and healthy, the risk outweighs the benefit.

Nobody can "realize" things that are not true, both statement you make are clearly contradicted by the consensus of science, obviously the scientific and medical community of the world is a much more trust worthy source about the vaccines and their value than nameless people on the internet can ever be.

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No, it's because they realized these products are not beneficial overall. For the young and healthy, the risk outweighs the benefit.

Nobody can "realize" things that are not true, both statement you make are clearly contradicted by the consensus of science, obviously the scientific and medical community of the world is a much more trust worthy source about the vaccines and their value than nameless people on the internet can ever be.

No, there is an ever increasing number of peer-reviewed studies that confirm what I wrote. There clearly isn't any "consensus of science", but it seems we are approaching one that agrees with my statement.

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Somehow @Raw Beer feels vindicated by a possible change in policy. Most countries are still jabbing people for free, especially with the Northern Hemisphere winter coming up.

What annoys me is his assertion that the vaccines are of no use at all, which is simply not true. To say the Government was 'shockingly stupid' is a bit much. Also, notice he HAD to slip the Ivermectin comment in which has now well documented as an absolute myth.

The decision hasn't even be made yet he makes it sound that it is and that it's beacuse they realised they were peddling a useless product. If that were the case then why not just stop it outright? They are/were beneficial.

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virusrexToday  09:02 am JST

Simply put, the government wants to wash its hands of a highly questionable substance

Nothing in the article could be interpreted this way, vaccines have lowered the risk importantly, and they are recommended by the experts of the world as safe and effective health interventions that have saved uncountable lives. Nobody is interested in washing their hands from using them, that comes completely from false assumptions that can be proved wrong scientifically.

 If people want to take it, fine, but why should the taxpayers fund it?

Because the alternative (at least until now) is much more costly for the taxpayers, people dying even from unrelated health problems because hospitals are swamped with people having serious problems and dying from covid has a very serious economic cost as well.

The narratives's ship is sinking. There is no "scientific consensus" that you always claim. There are thousands of doctors, nurses, medical scientists and more and more peer-reviewed studies proving that you are flat-out wrong. Even governments are admitting the fact that your beloved products aren't all they're cracked up to be, namely the Scandinavian countries. Japan is doing the same, but the cultural aversion to losing face due to a bad decision is forcing them to use another excuse. Tatemae. But you already knew that, right?

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No, there is an ever increasing number of peer-reviewed studies that confirm what I wrote. 

In the last one you presented the authors explicitly said your biased conclusion about the study was NOT a valid one. You have presented no reference that actually supports what you claim.

There clearly isn't any "consensus of science", but it seems we are approaching one that agrees with my statement.

As always, you can bring any official communication of a respected institution of science or medicine anywhere in the world where your claims are repeated. You can't find any? that is because there is a consensus, even if you are not willing to accept it.

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The narratives's ship is sinking.

Of course, just not the ones you wish they were, those endless warnings about the vaccines lethal properties and how being vaccinated would lead to more problems that they would solve ended up demonstrated as completely false as expected. And the consensus of medicine is that vaccines have been a very successful intervention and a huge achievement of medical science.

There are thousands of doctors, nurses, medical scientists and more and more peer-reviewed studies proving that you are flat-out wrong

Yet you can never present any of them, not even one name of a respected institution that supports your claims, this clearly indicates this claim is not true either.

Even governments are admitting the fact that your beloved products aren't all they're cracked up to be, namely the Scandinavian countries.

You mean the countries that have explicitly recognized the value of vaccines as part of the measures that have allowed the control of the pandemic in their population, enough so those same measures can be relaxed and only used when the risk increases again (like in the coming winter season). The scandinavian countries official declarations actually disprove what you claim, why try to misrepresent what they have to say? it is not like it is very easy to find out they actively support vaccines and other measures.

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No, there is an ever increasing number of peer-reviewed studies that confirm what I wrote. There clearly isn't any "consensus of science", but it seems we are approaching one that agrees with my statement.

Absolute Rubbish.

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You mean the countries that have explicitly recognized the value of vaccines as part of the measures that have allowed the control of the pandemic in their population, enough so those same measures can be relaxed and only used when the risk increases again (like in the coming winter season). The scandinavian countries official declarations actually disprove what you claim, why try to misrepresent what they have to say? it is not like it is very easy to find out they actively support vaccines and other measures.

Again, more unsubstantiated claims. Why keep repeating the same false narrative? It's just misinformation piled on top of innuendo.

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painkiller

you had the two vaccines and booster?

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Again, more unsubstantiated claims. 

The official communications are available for anybody to see, where Countries like Sweden recognized the role of vaccines and their plans to continue vaccination plans in the following winter season.

https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/vaccination-against-covid-19/when-is-it-my-turn

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency-of-sweden/communicable-disease-control/covid-19/vaccination-against-covid-19/

That you apparently ignore this very easily information talks a lot about the lack of interest on a topic you want to have an opinion of, it was easy to disprove your accusations of false narratives.

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The LDP is set to be penny wise and pound foolish. If citizens and residents will face a 9600 yen bill for a single COVID shot many will not be able to afford it. The penny is likely to engender a new sub-pandemic. It will hit the poor first and then work its way up to the better off.

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