Japanese governors seek change in COVID reporting to help hospitals cope

Japanese governors seek change in COVID reporting

Want less covid number? By tweaking COVID reporting system?

3 years too late. Yawn.

Japanese prefectural governors urged the central government Tuesday to limit its daily reporting requirement for coronavirus cases to the elderly and other at-risk people in a bid to lessen the administrative burden on hospitals amid a resurgence of infections.

Easier to do some fiddling with the numbers than to increase the pay and benefits for essential medical care workers and thus attract more people to the work and strengthen the human resource infrastructure in this field.

This comment made me realize one thing about Japan: Think Better!

"It is more important to save the lives of those around us than to keep track of statistics," said Tottori Gov Shinji Hirai

Another bad idea in the litany of recent bad ideas …. The entire healthcare system has collapsed , the current situation is completely out of control…. And they’re worried about statistics? In healthcare, a “statistic” usually refers to death or deaths .!. And we’re currently reporting near record statistics daily ….. moving the goal post doesn’t change how dire the situation truly is….

Maybe that curve will finally flatten. Only took 2 years of masking, experimental mRNA shots, "natural" distancing, and not counting cases other than the .3% of those actually vulnerable. We did it guys! We finally did it!

Why not ask for support in order to make the reporting less of a burden? it would seem relatively logical that if the government is making reporting a requirement, it should also make funds available for this extra responsibility to be fulfilled without coming in the way of the treatment.

For example, temporary positions made available so experts in dealing with information could make a simple system to report the cases with an acceptable margin of error, maybe taking care of the collecting and organizing the information themselves.

If people dedicate their whole effort to this they can surely concentrate the responsibilities of many doctors and nurses that would have to do it on top of their usual job.

Truth is that it is the vaccinated that are getting infected. How many people do you read of who state that they were vaccinated but all got this " so called " Covid.

Truth is that it is the vaccinated that are getting infected. How many people do you read of who state that they were vaccinated but all got this " so called " Covid.

When most of the population has been vaccinated that obviously means they are going to be the ones included in everything. That does nothing to refute the fact that vaccines greatly reduce the risk after infection, and that they even have an effect reducing infection and transmission in the first place.

This comment made me realize one thing about Japan: Think Better!

"It is more important to save the lives of those around us than to keep track of statistics," said Tottori Gov Shinji Hirai

And may I add:

"It is more important to save the lives of those around us than to open the border to foreigner tourist that just benefit the few.

The current infection situation "is getting worse and there are no signs of a turnaround," 

And Kishida is going to open the border and drop testing?????

What is surprising is it has taken so long for this. The shame of being the country with the most COVID cases must be totally unbearable for the politicians. The Japanese super invulnerability to the virus has been shattered. Clearly steps need to be taken to solve this shame. What better simple way to solve it than change the reporting so less cases get reported. Similar to the early days of the pandemic when testing was restricted which also was so successful to reduce the numbers. It is amazing it has taken this long to come up with this. The shame of works most COVID cases must be excruciating.

It's been a numbers game, and has always been so in order to benefit the large Pharmaceutical Companies, in which Politicians around the World are either Sponsored or have invested interests in...

The COVID vaccinations have not been "proven" (other than by skewed statistical projections) to do anything other than line the pockets of the Pharmaceutical Companies. Perhaps the same analytics should be applied to seasonal Flu in order to booster those said Companies too... The only difference between the two, has been the media interest in the former - seasonal Flu has always been rampant across certain Communities, and it effects people differently - regardless even, if "vaccinated" or not - some of us, for some period of time, just happen to be less susceptible to death from these things, than others....

What we don't often hear about, are the individual cases of people who have had lasting side-effects having had the vaccination.... those cases are generally excused away as being an infinitesimally small minority... oddly I happen to know a couple of them...

I've had flu, sometime in the past, and I've also had COVID once, I think... still here though. Haven't ever had a Flu shot, and likewise nor a COVID shot - and I do not intend to have either, ever. That's my personal opinion - I don't hold it against anyone else whichever way they decide, we all make our own personal minds up - based upon what we've studied, and learnt, and combined with out own personal "gut instincts".

Does this mean we won't have to reload the National page at 4:45 every day to check out the numbers in Tokyo? LOL.

They need a way out of this farce that allows them to save face. They will only count cases amongst the most vulnerable but before they do that they will downgrade the severity of covid to endemic status much like the flu. All the "recommendations" will likely remain but they will no longer funnel money to institutions to coerce compliance thus effectively ending the pandemic. Then it's full speed ahead on either China/Taiwan or Climate change or both!

It's the same virus as is now being largely ignored in Europe as the Omicron wave declines.

The difference for Japan is in popular expectations. In the West, you stayed at home unless you needed emergency treatment. In Japan, you were shipped off to a hotel or hospital. In the West, many have now had Covid two or three times (at home) and now think of it like flu. In Japan, there seems to be an expectation that anyone testing positive should still get medical attention (which is neither required nor feasible), and that the government will be able to control the virus and speedily end the wave (which it cannot).

We have limited control over Covid. If we lockdown and mask up, we suppress spread and the wave takes longer to pass. If we let it run through the less-vulnerable population rapidly, it goes a bit quicker.

There isn't a lot that the JP government can do, but the path they chose early on means that the Japanese public are responding very differently to Omicron than people in the West are, having a different attitude to the virus.

It's been a numbers game, and has always been so in order to benefit the large Pharmaceutical Companies, in which Politicians around the World are either Sponsored or have invested interests in...

Compare the profit made by a vaccine and the profit made from one hospitalization, if the only reason was economic profit the best possible strategy would be not to develop any vaccine in the first place, that would guarantee more patients spending more money, which clearly debunks this argument.

The COVID vaccinations have not been "proven" (other than by skewed statistical projections) to do anything other than line the pockets of the Pharmaceutical Companies

So you have evidence that all the different studies coming from countries all over the world that unequivocally prove the vaccines are effective are al "skewed"? in what way? which scientific arguments you can bring to disqualify those results and how do you explain peer review (pre and post publication) has not been able to find these problems you say exist?

If you don't have this evidence that means the studies are valid and do prove the efficacy and safety of the vaccines.

erhaps the same analytics should be applied to seasonal Flu in order to booster those said Companies

You mean the disease that was all but obliterated by the measures taken to prevent the transmission of respiratory diseases. What makes you think the influenza vaccines are not being analyzed epidemiologically?

 The only difference between the two, has been the media interest in the former

That is because the measures against covid were much more effective against influenza, making it a problem that disappeared for the seasons where the measures were active.

What we don't often hear about, are the individual cases of people who have had lasting side-effects having had the vaccination

Because they are a very tiny fraction of the cases with long lasting (or permanent) side effects from covid, vaccinating greatly reduces the risk of health problems of all types, demonstrated scientifically.

I've had flu

N=1 anecdotal studies without variable controls and documentation are not evidence to disregard the conclusions made from reports accumulation the data from thousands and thousands of patients.

You can decide whatever you want, but to misrepresent the consensus of science as false is not valid, anybody is free to make decisions that go against clear evidence, but not to say this evidence do not exist.

"Gut feelings" are not a replacement for validated and characterized data.

Now this is just dodgy....

The never ending silliness over the virus which we now know is not the mass killer we once thought, is not easily vaccinated against and will keep spawning variants that anyway evade vaccine protection. Plus the closed border/social distance/mask "preventative measures", which clearly hardly help anything.

Automate automate automate ! Manual reporting to process would always be a burden..

The never ending silliness over the virus which we now know is not the mass killer we once thought, is not easily vaccinated against and will keep spawning variants that anyway evade vaccine protection. Plus the closed border/social distance/mask "preventative measures", which clearly hardly help anything.

6 million plus deaths may not have importance for you, but for their families and friends they surely do, covid is very easily vaccinated against, with vaccines producing an important reduction of the risk of serious or fatal health problems, variants evade all kinds of immunity, including from previous infections but boosters and new formulations can still keep the risk low for the vaccinated people. Masks and other measures had a measurable effect preventing uncountable deaths until now that is considered a huge help, there is no research that indicates their role is minor.

Compare the profit made by a vaccine and the profit made from one hospitalization, if the only reason was economic profit the best possible strategy would be not to develop any vaccine in the first place, that would guarantee more patients spending more money, which clearly debunks this argument.

You keep on saying that, but one must consider how many thousands of vaccine doses must be administered to prevent one hospitalization. And only a fraction of the cost of the hospitalization goes to the pharmaceutical company.

@ pointofview

I think Rodney's comment of 7:23 addresses your question....

What we don't often hear about, are the individual cases of people who have had lasting side-effects having had the vaccination.... those cases are generally excused away as being an infinitesimally small minority... oddly I happen to know a couple of them...

Yeah, they are much more common than most people think. But they cannot ever be discussed or admitted to because that might lead to vaccine hesitancy, which is a big no no.

I still think that the ongoing reporting is useless.

As for 6 million deaths, personalising them and asking if I care is a deflection. Point is not whether people died, point is whether all the measures taken reduced the death rate. and seems to me to be very little evidence of that being the case.

And plenty of evidence that some of the measures were even harmful.

You keep on saying that, but one must consider how many thousands of vaccine doses must be administered to prevent one hospitalization. And only a fraction of the cost of the hospitalization goes to the pharmaceutical company.

Plenty enough to make a huge profit, specially because this come without the huge investment necessary to develop a vaccine. Hospitalizations are enough to make it much more profitable not to develop a vaccine, but medical treatment of other kinds is also a huge source of profit even if the patient do not have to step into a hospital, all these are reduced by vaccines.

Yeah, they are much more common than most people think

More than the experts that examine the epidemiological evidence precisely looking for them and that clearly say they are a minuscule risk compared with not vaccinating? what evidence do you have of this? accusing all the professionals in the world of not doing their jobs just because they conclude things you don't want to accept is not really an argument.

There is plenty of evidence that goes against the status quo of non stop 24hr mainstream news one sided information. Interestingly, it is all blocked by big tech and media...hmmm. Reputable researchers and doctors blocked. Why?

The first mistake it thinking that big tech and media can block primary sources of information that would consittute the actual evidence you should be presenting, the second is considering reputable people that openly repeat false and misleading information as demonstrated by actual experts. If they are not respecting their professional responsibilities then it is perfectly valid not to give them the privileges their positions give either.

Traditionally, vaccines prevented a virus

Completely false, there is no Rabies virus vaccine, there is no poliovirus vaccine, the vaccines prevent the disease, specially the complications so there are Rabies vaccines, Polio vaccine. Repeating a baseless accusation very easily disproved does very little to gain support for the sources you say you have.

Point is not whether people died, point is whether all the measures taken reduced the death rate. and seems to me to be very little evidence of that being the case.

And plenty of evidence that some of the measures were even harmful.

Acording to your personal opinon without any evidence to prove it, and completely contradicted by the experts that professionally examine this for a living and that are in consensus about the value of the measures. It should be obvious who should be trusted.

Acording to your personal opinon without any evidence to prove it, and completely contradicted by the experts that professionally examine this for a living and that are in consensus about the value of the measures. It should be obvious who should be trusted.

Nope. There are plenty of "experts" who are saying that many of the measures were almost useless or, in some cases, exacerbated the problem. Not my personal opinion.

I'm not asking anyone to "trust me". Just to weigh the evidence that this ongoing obsession with case numbers and many of the silly measures are pointless.

As for your vaccine assertions, remember when we were repeatedly being told "get the vaccine so you don't get the virus"?

What happened to that?

Nope. There are plenty of "experts" who are saying that many of the measures were almost useless or, in some cases, exacerbated the problem. Not my personal opinion.

Which experts, what evidence have they produced? are they people only you can see or read? because if not just saying they exist but not giving any reference (maybe because they have been found to use false information?) is not an argument.

I'm not asking anyone to "trust me". Just to weigh the evidence that this ongoing obsession with case numbers and many of the silly measures are pointless.

The problem is that you say there is some kind of evidence, but don't present it, which means it is clear even to you that it is not valid evidence at all. Can you even bring one institution of medicine or science that says the measures were "almost useless"? any country in the world.

If you can't that should be a very clear indicator that your personal belief is not shared by the medical community of the world.

As for your vaccine assertions, remember when we were repeatedly being told "get the vaccine so you don't get the virus"?

When was that? that is not how vaccines have worked since Jenner nor Pasteur, who said this vaccine was going to be different? specially against any and all possible variants that the experts predicted would be very likely to appear even before the vaccines were produced?

Can you give a refence for this that you say you remember?

No reporting. Zero cases!!! Japan has successfully eliminated the virus!!! Banzai!!! Banzai!!! Banzai!!!