Japan health panel backs AstraZeneca COVID vaccine for ages 40, over

Noooooo. Nope. Don't want the Astra vaccine.

OK, so we have these experimental vaccines. Are there any newer ones being developed/researched/tested that might prove more effective and yet not so experimental?

A Japanese health ministry panel on Friday approved the domestic use of the COVID-19 vaccine developed by Britain's AstraZeneca Plc for people aged 40 and over in principle amid a supply shortage of vaccines. Although Japan has not supplied the AstraZeneca vaccine domestically, the government has been donating the vaccine to such countries as Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand.

So Japan approved this vaccine in the same time they give it for free for another country? So by the time it received approval, is there any AstraZeneca left?

The government will supply the vaccine to local governments depending on their needs, while planning to conduct safety research, possibly by Self-Defense Forces personnel, due to lingering concerns over rare side effects.

At least general public won't be part of safety research, they can not force that in one way or another.

Anyways, in additon AstraZeneca's vaccine seems to be 70% effective compared with 95% for Pfizer/Biontech and Moderna. It also seems that AZ shows little to no efficiency concerning the South African virus.

Fake news.

Good ! I think Japan's got a lot of AZ . Another 1 month push for the 40-65 and we are out of this crisis.

Another 1 month push for the 40-65 and we are out of this crisis.

Yeah, sound great... until reading today's other story about vaccines:

Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others

https://japantoday.com/category/features/health/cdc-team-'war-has-changed'-as-delta-variant-dangers-emerge

@n1k1, that depend on if the pulbic even want it. Which a majority of them don't

I used to say, I would have no problem taking AZ.

But with the data from the USA and UK coming back with AZ and J&J only about 67% effective against the Delta variant and Pfizer 88% Moderna 93%.

I would now not be so willing.

But with the data from the USA and UK coming back with AZ and J&J only about 67% effective against the Delta variant and Pfizer 88% Moderna 93%.

Take what you can get. 67% is better than zero, and pondering while dying, wondering would have been.

I guess this is obviously showing that the current vaccines do not reduce the viral charge!

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/07/30/1022867219/cdc-study-provincetown-delta-vaccinated-breakthrough-mask-guidance

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w

The study details a COVID-19 outbreak that started July 3 in Provincetown, Mass., involving 469 cases. It found that three-quarters of cases occurred in fully vaccinated people. Massachusetts has a high rate of vaccination: about 69% among eligible adults in the state at the time of the study.

It also found no significant difference in the viral load present in the breakthrough infections occurring in fully vaccinated people and the other cases, suggesting the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with the coronavirus is similar.

Self defense personnel will do research? That is like asking an American enlisted marine or try to spell virus, vaccine, and vacuums for the final jeopardy question.

Naaah! Don’t want AZ.

AZ ?? God no!!!

About Pfizer:

"The latest data from the Israeli government shows that the Pfizer vaccine has been only 41% in the prevention of symptomatic covida-19 in the last month, with an increase in delta-derived infections, according to Reuters."

And in the end, so will the others. 

The third dose is already mentioned everywhere, then the fourth will follow ...

As it turns out, will this become a monthly commitment or something?

And after all that, we would sting 12 years old children.

Ccccc... .

OK, so we have these experimental vaccines. Are there any newer ones being developed/researched/tested that might prove more effective and yet not so experimental?

You mean with a time machine? because since they would also need to be tested for safety and efficacy (and that the mRNA technology has over a decade of being used in humans) by definition any newer vaccine would need to be more experimental. Also, the PMDA do not refer to the vaccines as experimental.

At least general public won't be part of safety research, they can not force that in one way or another.

Of course it will, recording the dangers of the infection on people that were not vaccinated is a very important part of safety research, at this point no vaccine represents even a comparable risk compared with COVID, so people that failed to receive vaccines, including the AZ, are in the highest risk group.

I guess this is obviously showing that the current vaccines do not reduce the viral charge!

That is a wrong conclusion from the linked article, for that you would need much more information that is not included, for example to see if the biological titers do not differ, or if the length of the symptomatic period is the same, also the percentage of people that actually develop symptoms.

Lets say vaccinated people are half as likely to develop symptoms, have much less titers while asymptomatic, if they do develop symptoms it last 3 days opposed to 10 on unvaccinated people, and that biological titers are lower (even at the same molecular titers) that would still mean a huge lot of reduction of the viral loads, and by consequence of transmissibility.

It is very important not to overreach with conclusions from limited results.

It found that three-quarters of cases occurred in fully vaccinated people. Massachusetts has a high rate of vaccination: about 69% among eligible adults in the state at the time of the study.

So either they were accidentally sent mislabeled placebo vials or these vaccines are pretty much useless. And these gems are usually reported to be more effective than the AZ vax that Japan has approved!

planning to conduct safety research, possibly by Self-Defense Forces personnel, due to lingering concerns over rare side effects.

Side effect concerns, therefore SDF! Why?

Is it because the SDF members are more disposable/dispensable?

Or perhaps because they will be better able to keep the side effects secret?

they approve AZ now that the decrepit government has already been vaccinated with moderna and Pfizer. Very interesting

glad I got my Pfizer reservation before they ran out.

So either they were accidentally sent mislabeled placebo vials or these vaccines are pretty much useless.

So helping people stay healthy and alive is useless for you? It is still likely they even reduce transmission (since they prevent the appearance of symptoms) even for new variants.

This helps explaining how you keep trying to convince people not to vaccinate using misleading or plain false information, apparently people keeping alive and well is "useless" for you.

Or perhaps because they will be better able to keep the side effects secret?

Because Japanese people are so different from the rest of the human race? what is the point of "hiding" something that is only a tiny fraction of the data being collected on this vaccine in particular? it would not make even a statistical difference.

AZ has a pretty good efficiency in particular keeping hospitalization rates very low. For those rejecting AZ, please do not whine about short vaccine supply.

It is still likely they even reduce transmission (since they prevent the appearance of symptoms) even for new variants.

Yeah, reduced symptoms while having identical viral loads in the nasopharynx. I would expect increased spreading...

Yeah, reduced symptoms while having identical viral loads in the nasopharynx. I would expect increased spreading...

How would you know this if the reports are explicitly mentioning the samples come from very symptomatic people? again this is completely misrepresenting the evidence to misleading levels.

Was that Indian batch banned by Europe ever destroyed ?

Saw one of the Local police dressed this evening in a makeshift hazmat suit and carrying a spray bottle of disinfectant... guess you cant be too careful these days.

Even still, people wandering around without facemasks thinking that they're immune...

Yeah, reduced symptoms while having identical viral loads in the nasopharynx. I would expect increased spreading...

How would you know this if the reports are explicitly mentioning the samples come from very symptomatic people?

Strange that when Fauci announced the results, he omitted that very important detail that they were very symptomatic, he just said infected.

again this is completely misrepresenting the evidence to misleading levels.

Indeed!

Strange that when Fauci announced the results, he omitted that very important detail that they were very symptomatic, he just said infected.

All the data being published correspond to symptomatic people, if you have any source that say something differently you should present it, it is much more likely you are just trying to misrepresent the data as if it corresponded to asymptomatic people that supposedly got tested just because.

This is what is considered misleading, take correct information and ad personal considerations and conclusions that were not justified with the original information.

Indeed!

This is the difference between misinformation (saying wrong things without knowing they are wrong) and disinformation (repeating false information while knowing that indeed it is false).

Strange that when Fauci announced the results, he omitted that very important detail that they were very symptomatic, he just said infected.

All the data being published correspond to symptomatic people,

I'm glad you dropped the "very" from "very symptomatic".

This is the difference between misinformation (saying wrong things without knowing they are wrong) and disinformation (repeating false information while knowing that indeed it is false).

Are you referring to Fauci's announcement or to your having said very symptomatic?

I'm just repeating Fauci's announcement, should we now ignore his statements?

I'm glad you dropped the "very" from "very symptomatic".

No real difference, pretending completely asymptomatic people would go to a hospital to get tested is obviously irrational and only used to misrepresent the data, in reality they would have to be very symptomatic, so they would suspect to be infected and get tested.

Are you referring to Fauci's announcement or to your having said very symptomatic?

No, I am referring to people that try to mislead others into thinking vaccinated people were as symptomatic as unvaccinated people, which don't make sense either.

I'm just repeating Fauci's announcement, should we now ignore his statements?

No, you are not, you included invalid conclusions that could not be inferred from the data,

Yeah, reduced symptoms while having identical viral loads in the nasopharynx. I would expect increased spreading...

which is the part that constitute misinformation (or disinformation since you accepted they were indeed false)

What about J & J vaccine?? it is used in the USA and works just fine, or is it going to take another DELTA or another 6 to 8 months to approve it?

Small countries such as Iceland and Israel or regions such as Gibraltar have vaccinated between 80 and 90% of the population yet, are facing record infections. The UK was the same a few weeks ago and almost certainly will face it again in the Fall. We now know the Big Pharma vaccines don't work.

Sputnik V is in use in almost 70 countries. About 100 million doses administered and not a single report of severe, life-threatening side effects and reported as at least 90% effective against every known variant. Now I know people are upset by this and will say "but the Russians lie". It's been reported as at least 90% effective in Argentina, India and Hungary. i.e. in South America, Asia and Europe. The only problem with is that the Russian can't make enough, quickly enough. Hopefully that wil lend when it starts rolling off Indian production lines later this month or early September.

Given these facts the continued refusal of the Japanese government to give us the option of Sputnik V is starting to look like socioeconomic terrorism or outright murder!

All I want is the option. If people would prefer the Big Pharma concoctions, all power to them but can't we all agree the Japanese authorities should give us the option?

Fully agree, @Tim

But instead of that vaccine war , Pfizer, AZ or Sputnik or any other stupid soup, I would really suggest , the world hurries up a bit and only produces all those with the highest percentage of efficacy. And you all please contribute one way or other and let yourself vaccinated. With that 50% efficacy also many anti-vaccers are in fact unchanged afterwards , so they also can take the challenge equally to the pro vaccers, with comparable probability of wanted or unwanted outcome.

Please remember that the vaccination is not a Shield that prevents you from catching COVID-19 and/or transmitting it to Others.

FizzBit

OK, so we have these experimental vaccines. Are there any newer ones being developed/researched/tested that might prove more effective and yet not so experimental?

Check out Novovax, which is actually a real, as traditionally defined, vaccine, as opposed to these experimental mRNA platforms, which the media mislabels as "vaccines". It is supposed to be approved in September, no idea about availability.

A lot of the concerns about Pfizer et all do not exist with Novovax, since it does not turn your own cells into spike protein factories.

Raw Beer

Please remember that the vaccination is not a Shield that prevents you from catching COVID-19 and/or transmitting it to Others.

So what are they for?

$$$

LOL, yeah, isnt it amazing how the goal posts are shifting. From "2 weeks to flatten the curve" to 2 years of never-ending lockdowns, from "remember, if you get the vaccine, you are safe" (touted as recently as a week ago by Jo Biden) to "the vaccine only makes the symptoms less severe.... it is bizarre

Check out Novovax, which is actually a real, as traditionally defined, vaccine, as opposed to these experimental mRNA platforms, which the media mislabels as "vaccines".

False, the experts, the institutions that qualify vaccines are the ones that recognized as vaccines since that is what they are, if you could not understand why that is a personal problem, not something that you can blame anybody else for, much less the media.

from "remember, if you get the vaccine, you are safe" (touted as recently as a week ago by Jo Biden) to "the vaccine only makes the symptoms less severe.... it is bizarre

That is also false, the vaccine still makes you much safer, not only reduces symptoms but also complications and death, and even transmissibility.

LOL, yeah, isnt it amazing how the goal posts are shifting. From "2 weeks to flatten the curve" to 2 years of never-ending lockdowns, from "remember, if you get the vaccine, you are safe" (touted as recently as a week ago by Jo Biden) to "the vaccine only makes the symptoms less severe.... it is bizarre

Yes, and many are saying it only decreases the milder symptoms, not the more severe ones...

Yes, and many are saying it only decreases the milder symptoms, not the more severe ones...

And those people can easily be proved wrong with scientific data, after all death is a very clear statistic that proves the vaccines as effective.

Imagine if the world tackled poverty the way they did this fake deadly virus.