21 Japan infection research center officials hold party

the party, which lasted about one hour

Looks to me like the LDP is calling the kettle black.

ZorotoToday 07:48 pm JST

It has not been any report of cluster in a train

How would such a cluster be identified in Japan?

Well,in the Shinkansen, regional trains (or even airplanes)

Sven AsaiToday 07:01 pm JST

That’s bare of any logic, @didou. You have to calculate [number of people] ./. [space of the closed room] , case by case. In most of such cases you will then have as a result a higher coefficient for commuter trains, not for restaurants.

You forgot an important factor. Interaction between people, i.e. behavior. In trains, people do not have any "risky" behavior, and as I have said, do not interact together. In restaurants (except the ramen for salaryman), no mask, everyone is talking, screaming, etc..... specially after a few alcohol drink

@virusrex10:17 pm JST

you're right. logical.

No , a packed train is much safer, as people do not know each others and do not interact.

In a party, we believe it is much safer if we know everyone, but if one is infected, all can be infected as after a few beers, nobody take not any protection anymore.

It has not been any report of cluster in a train

No, a packed train may be safer, but that is not an automatic conclusion, people are not screened to board, some people do interact with each other, and obviously the distance between people is much more closer than what is reported for this party. Some people are even eating and drinking while riding.

Not having a report of clusters in a train is not automatic proof that there have been no such thing, specially in Japan where there is close to zero tracing being done. A party where people know each other and their identities is obviously much easier to trace. It is also important to consider that no cluster has been reported either for this party, so it is still possible it could be safer if the report of the measures taken is truthful.

The problem with this party is not that it is a high risk activity, the problem is that it laughs in the face of all the people that are being told not to do what these people did.

MMMMMMMM. Again???.

Oh well if your work is to fight against infections all day why not wind down and show a little party affection. These people have to be burnt out just as everyone else.

Hmmm. A dictionary definition of "Scientific Consensus" is your defense for getting Every. Single. Thing. Wrong. for the past year?

No, the definition is to keep proving you dont understand the terms you want to use, there is no need to defend about imaginary things you believe have happened, anybody reading how you have to pretend not to read the references that prove you wrong can easily understand how you "prove everybody wrong".

So, no single organization that can help defend your mistakes yet? not really surprising.

For example I already put a link (with sources) that prove the scientific consensus is something valid and easy to get because your mistaken concept of it is not real. How about you showing a link where you can base your opinion.

Hmmm. A dictionary definition of "Scientific Consensus" is your defense for getting Every. Single. Thing. Wrong. for the past year?

Ohhhh dear....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insanity

Tossers

For those that mock people for denying ‘the science’ and loving their ‘freedumb’, human nature has a lot to say about how we humans behave- even those that are educated and experts.

That’s bare of any logic, @didou. You have to calculate [number of people] ./. [space of the closed room] , case by case. In most of such cases you will then have as a result a higher coefficient for commuter trains, not for restaurants. If someone is really infected, that is not so much important, as the combined virus load of all people in the room counts and after more than a year of pandemic we all breath in and out a certain amount of viruses, if already sick and showing symptoms or not.

Perhaps they should have called it a research activity instead of a farewell party.

Yes the party was probably much safer than taking a packed train

No , a packed train is much safer, as people do not know each others and do not interact.

In a party, we believe it is much safer if we know everyone, but if one is infected, all can be infected as after a few beers, nobody take not any protection anymore.

It has not been any report of cluster in a train

If I was a health advisor, I wouldn’t advise people to get drunk by 7pm.

There might be scientific consensus in the horrible country of China, but certainly not in more respectable, civilized countries.

There is certainly a scientific consensus in most things known, your mistake is thinking "consensus" means some monolithic permanent conclusion that is absolutely fixed. For people that actually knows what it means it is clear there is no problem in having it in things where the evidence is clear.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus

The hypocrisy is not for telling others the scientific consensus, 

There might be scientific consensus in the horrible country of China, but certainly not in more respectable, civilized countries.

ZorotoToday  04:24 pm JST

Three of the participants have contracted the virus, according to the ministry.

Why is the article not start with this sentence?

"Although measures against infections were appropriately taken"

Apparently not.

The article discusses two different parties, one on the 18th March and the other on the 24th.

I am sure the employees thought this was wrong, but didn't say anything to their boss. The boss knows it's wrong but won't decide because Japan. Typical.

Oh, they do know better... than the vast majority of people. There is nothing wrong in having a party if you are careful.

Yes there is, that is the whole point of the social distancing measures, nothing of what these people did proves the contrary, the only thing it proves is that the people that were present lack common sense and empathy.

The hypocrisy is not for telling others the scientific consensus, it comes from not listening to it themselves.

Again, as in the previous example of blindness, people that should know better are being extremely dumb.

Oh, they do know better... than the vast majority of people. There is nothing wrong in having a party if you are careful.

But they are extreme hypocrites for telling everyone else not to party...

Relax, folks. These are small ‘rehearsals’ for the BIG Party this summer.

Come on - You have to laugh. Don't tell me anyone is genuinely 'outraged' by this.

As long as they all recover - it is Comedy Gold.

Comedy gold indeed. How sad.

I don't know. I somehow doubt 3 of them would have gotten infected on a train.

According to how I read the article the 3 infected people were from the Division of Health for the Elderly party.

Also, since Japan is highly resistant to do adequate testing and tracing we are not aware of how many infections happen in trains, hopefully you are right.

Because the 3 who got the virus were from another, unrelated party. Mixing of the two makes it confusing.

But yes, most companies make efforts to curb parties, regardless of the safety measures (my place forbids dinning with people other than family), so these guys should have known better

You can't make this stuff up , how dumb , careless and stupid is dumb

Man, this is hilarious! infection research center officials hold a party!

Right up there with the finance minister who doesn't know how make a purchase at the supermarket, the minister of cybersecurity who doesn't know how to use a computer, and the minister who was in charge of raising the birthrate and saying that women are baby machines.

Comedy gold!

Why is the article not start with this sentence?

Because Kyodo.

Also, it was widely reported on Wednesday in the vernacular media that several of the 23 numpties that attended the notorious sayonara party for the Health Ministry chief dalek in Ginza have now contracted coronoavirus.

Again, as in the previous example of blindness, people that should know better are being extremely dumb.

Yes the party was probably much safer than taking a packed train, and a lot of precautions were taken, etc. etc. but still this gives a horrible impression about how seriously these people are taking the recommendations for the general public. They should be putting the best possible example of what to do, and in this time where the government is asking the public for abstinence and control you cannot have a party even if everybody is masked and eats in a hurry.

I am very sorry for Professor Wakita but someone has to take responsibility of this, just an apology is not enough to let go this huge example of plain disregard of the measures that they should be obeying first, before asking others to do the same.

Unclear messages sent to the public, no education regarding how to apply measures as social distancing and so on, and doing what they “urge” not to do, as this article mentions.

Naturally most of the population has no idea what is happening, how easily it spreads and how to take measures to reduce risk of infection.

Seeing government individuals living their normal lives at this stage led more people to lower the guard.

Only vaccines will save Japan.

No more “urging”, “bars closing at 8PM” will ever work.

The “best to do” from the J Gov side is to just remain at very low testing rates, continue not doing any contact tracing and so on as its been doing since day 1.

This way the propaganda message that “Japan is winning the battle against the virus” will remain alive and give the false impression that things are going well in the country regarding this pandemic, in order for the cursed Olympics to go ahead.

Downright regrettable

You can't make this stuff up , how dumb , careless and stupid is dumb