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Japan logs record 7,688 COVID deaths for December

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Average death is an over 80 who is already is in poor health, time to move on.

-10 ( +22 / -32 )

Not a surprise when you consider the age factor

-1 ( +16 / -17 )

Average death is an over 80 who is already is in poor health, time to move on.

Saying that these deaths are fine only shows a completely lack of empathy, which can explain why the people that work for public health clearly contradict you.

Nobody is guaranteed to survive covid, and people are dying that could have had decades of productive life even if "in poor health" according to you. That is still a problem that people put attention to.

14 ( +28 / -14 )

Constantly saying, ‘Time to move on’ isn’t going to make it ‘move on’.

13 ( +22 / -9 )

time to move on.

What does this mean?

11 ( +20 / -9 )

Gut feeling or do you have an actual source for that?

From my reading last week it was reported as over 70, I think in the Mainichi Shimbun. Still doesn't make it OK, but he knows that, he's just looking for a tickle before lights out.

Time to move on

Indeed. It's 2023 after all. You should try it.

5 ( +13 / -8 )

Contrary to the belief...getting covid does not always automatically equate to death sentence. Covid is almost if not lesser than a flu as my entire family caught it and cleared in 4 - 5 days with minimum to no symtoms even my 70 year old father. Time to stop fearing covid and move on and live with it as covid is here to stay its going no where again no where. The issue is not covid, the issue is clinics and hospitals denying you medical access when you report you have a fever because fever is now = to covid. How many have died from a heart attack or the flu in comparison to covid?? The fear mongering continues and China CCP is prolonging it now and who knows that the real story behind covid in china.

-5 ( +11 / -16 )

Vitusrex

Never said it’s fine, just stating facts and using data in a scientific manner provided by the experts to show the risks for most are negligible from the current variants.

How on earth does that show a lack of empathy, science deals with facts not emotions.

-7 ( +13 / -20 )

deaths mainly older than 80 and vaccinated ones.

-15 ( +7 / -22 )

Average death is an over 80 who is already is in poor health, time to move on.

No body can confirm this as the media is not reporting the details of covid deaths such as age group, what health alignments they had prior to getting covid which could had exacerbated covid symptoms leading up to death.

10 ( +16 / -6 )

LDP Kishida government increase arms race budget drastically under the name of "for defending nation people" but doesn't defend general public from Covid19 despite worst since 2020.

They looks like exploit Covid19 to decrease social weaks.

3 ( +7 / -4 )

Average death is an over 80 who is already is in poor health, time to move on.

If it were your Grandmother or Grandfather would you say the same thing?

11 ( +13 / -2 )

"As deaths tend to lag behind an increase in infections, there are concerns that both numbers will surge as travelers flood public transportation during the New Year's holidays."

The way the nation walks towards disasters is like lemmings on a cliff, except the lemmings don't necessarily know they are headed over the edge. They have known for AGES this would happen if they loosened restrictions, but did it anyway. They KNOW people will travel en masse on planes and trains and flood to popular shrines, etc., but they allow it anyway, and people celebrate it. Hospitals have been warning against it, and the government pushing a button while they know pushing it will lead to disaster. They have no trouble at all going overboard with restrictions towards people traveling from China, and that's not necessarily a bad thing, but with their own here at home... wow. And, of course, when death rates further increase and infection sky rockets you'll get the "How could we have known?" and, "Oh well... it's done now."

1 ( +5 / -4 )

Can you point to some official sources that break this down?

Japan COVID deaths surge as daily highs seen mainly among people over 70

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20221230/p2a/00m/0na/007000c

We took a look at the fatalities by age group. Over the roughly four-month period from Aug. 31 to Dec. 27 this year, people in their 80s represented 40.8% of the deaths, while those in their 90s and above accounted for 34.7%, and those in their 70s made up another 17%. In total, people in these three age brackets accounted for 92.4% of the fatalities. It's clear that the elderly still need to be very cautious about the coronavirus.

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But but we have Pfizer Moderna all the bestest vaccines, the maskiest people, everything Fauci sensei told us to do we do to the letter. Why ??

-2 ( +6 / -8 )

For the record,...

Japan COVID deaths surge as daily highs seen mainly among people over 70

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20221230/p2a/00m/0na/007000c

Is it time for the 70s and over to move on, do you think?

4 ( +7 / -3 )

the highest rate of deaths in the world

Lol. You know where it's higher...

Tut tut.

1 ( +5 / -4 )

Covid DEATHS!!

Now give us the avg age and comorbidities and we see that its not covid.

Its quite shocking to see the sheer amount of hysterics out there who were under the impression death was a new phenomenon started around 2020.

-7 ( +6 / -13 )

The US has the highest number of daily covid deaths.

https://covid19.who.int/table

0 ( +2 / -2 )

How do people know which countries have the highest rates? I thought only Japan tests and reports now

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

Nothing to see here. The number just means 7688 people tested positive 0-30 days prior to dying. It does not say they died from covid, it does not say that they would not have died anyway, it does not say what was the underlying condition of the people who died. In essence, useless number.

-3 ( +3 / -6 )

Nothing to see here. The number just means 7688 people tested positive 0-30 days prior to dying. It does not say they died from covid, it does not say that they would not have died anyway, it does not say what was the underlying condition of the people who died. In essence, useless number.

You have to drill into the source for that lol. If you don't, then whatever you say is useless

4 ( +5 / -1 )

The majority of covid deaths for those over the '60s does not make it any less serious.

4 ( +6 / -2 )

Average death is an over 80 who is already is in poor health, time to move on.

Saying that these deaths are fine only shows a completely lack of empathy...

He never said it's fine.

And it's important to point out these facts because the death rates are often used as an excuse to isolate and vaccinate everyone, including healthy young people who are barely affected or unaffected by the virus. As was recommended in 2020 with the Great Barrington Declaration, our focus should be on protecting the vulnerable, rather than treating everyone as if they are all at equal risks.

-3 ( +4 / -7 )

People die everyday from a lot of other diseases, not just Covid!

I don’t really care and kind of think it is fear mongering. Why not publish the death tolls of any other communicable disease? And out of the total deaths in the month of December, what is the percentage attributed to Covid to actually put it in perspective?

Like my catholic grandfather, who survived the Spanish flu, always said, if you’re going to die you’re going to die and nothing you can do about it because god signed your death certificate the moment you were born so might as well enjoy your time and not worry too much.

0 ( +6 / -6 )

But it's also true that there are over 100 countries that have lower vaccination rates than Japan but also have far lower case counts and death tallies.

You're talking about vaccination rates, you have to show at least that case rates and death rates are higher, you're deliberately misleading yourself by saying countsand tallies

2 ( +4 / -2 )

. Why not publish the death tolls of any other communicable disease?

It's published somewhere.

Why should it be published here?

3 ( +6 / -3 )

It is true that the death toll has increased during the eighth wave, but the number of those vaccinated in Japan are at the highest in relation to any wave.

That says quite a bit.

-2 ( +5 / -7 )

It is true that the death toll has increased during the eighth wave, but the number of those vaccinated in Japan are at the highest in relation to any wave.

That says quite a bit.

Like what =)

4 ( +6 / -2 )

. As was recommended in 2020 with the Great Barrington Declaration, our focus should be on protecting the vulnerable, rather than treating everyone as if they are all at equal risks.

You misunderstand as usual.

Not everyone in treated as having equal risks.

During vaccination drives for instance, the elderly and those with underlying conditions are a priority

6 ( +8 / -2 )

Btw, what's the great Barrington declaration? What's great about it?

4 ( +6 / -2 )

Saying that these deaths are fine only shows a completely lack of empathy

Nobody ever said that..

Nobody is guaranteed to survive covid, 

99.9965% of people can expect to survive omicron now* including 98.31% of those infected in Japan who are over the age of 80**. In most places, it's less lethal than flu - and this has been the case for a long time.

The latest wave of flu is actually causing overcrowding issues in hospitals in the West so I'm more curious as to how Japan is faring with it.

*https://www.ft.com/content/e26c93a0-90e7-4dec-a796-3e25e94bc59b

**https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/society/coronavirus/20221223-78928/

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

The callous nature of some of the comments on this article and the daily update reports continue to astound me. As has been stated often Covid seems to have highlighted the division of the population of those who are concerned for others and those that don't give a hoot.

Statistics are relatively easy to find (search Japan Covid deaths by age) and confirm that the 80 plus range are most at risk. But this shouldn't mean that everyone else should carry on with abandon, as someone commented above what if it were your grandparent or parent come to that. Statistics also show that Covid was a factor in about 10pc of deaths in Japan in 2022.

The elderly are a treasure and deserve respect and consideration as a basic minimum.

5 ( +8 / -3 )

The deaths by age are indeed mostly in older patients and the younger patients will have co-morbidities.

https://www.ipss.go.jp/projects/j/Choju/covid19/index-en.asp

We will have to live with this virus now, as we have now decided to all open up. The vaccines are there, as are the flu vaccines.if you wish to wear a mask, please do. But life here is rather incongruous, everyone eating out, no masks, drinking, no masks, karaoke, no masks.TV shows with no , masks and a World Cup with no masks. The recommendations don’t really matched peoples behavior.

This year might be really bad as the flu virus and Covid put more pressure on the health services but again older patients and those with high risk conditions need to get vaccinated.

I think the big questions is, when can we really unmask? Because the reality is, until full herd immunity is reached we will have to live with it.

2 ( +3 / -1 )

Never said it’s fine, just stating facts and using data in a scientific manner provided by the experts to show the risks for most are negligible from the current variants.

Yes you did, by saying it is "time to move on" you are clearly, explicitly calling those deaths fine, else you would do as the experts in public health do and recommend for people to take more care and to do as much as they can to prevent those deaths, for example by vaccinating, avoiding conglomerations, masking in all appropriate situations, etc.

Interesting that even after multiple rounds of vaccinations, widespread mask wearing and constant reminders that the death rate is the highest yet.

But but we have Pfizer Moderna all the bestest vaccines, the maskiest people, everything Fauci sensei told us to do we do to the letter. Why ??

It seems "interesting" only for people that make huge efforts to pretend omicron is not a very different strain, for the rest of the people it is an expected result from variants that transmit much more easily, enough to make prevention of deaths and complications a much more realistic focus than prevention of cases.

It is nonsense to pretend experts guaranteed the efficacy of all measures to be eternally the same no matter what variants could appear, simply attempts to mislead people with strawman claims that nobody (but antivaxxer propaganda) ever said.

The measures which purportedly were meant to reduce deaths between that time frame seem to have failed.

No, they are not, because the number of cases is more than 50 times higher meaning that the measures have succeded in reducing the risk from the infection over 5 times, this is an argument that has been used against yours every time you make this claim, and that you have been always unable to refute.

-2 ( +3 / -5 )

He never said it's fine.

Nobody ever said that..

Again, yes he did, by calling for people to "move on" which cleary means to stop giving attention to these deaths and to give them no importance. Which is precisely the opposite health care experts say the population should be doing.

 As was recommended in 2020 with the Great Barrington Declaration, our focus should be on protecting the vulnerable, rather than treating everyone as if they are all at equal risks.

A declaration that has been globally recognized as wrong, irresponsible and unethical, not only because it was contradicted by the actual way the pandemic developed, but because it was heavily riddled with illogical arguments, false assumptions and riddled with conflicts of interests.

Actual protection of the most vulnerable ended up depending on the efforts of the whole population in general, including vaccination.

There is a reason why no respected institution of science or medicine supports this flawed declaration.

It is true that the death toll has increased during the eighth wave, but the number of those vaccinated in Japan are at the highest in relation to any wave.

And the proportion of deaths by infection cases is the lowest, this and the clear advantage vaccinated people have over unvaccinated people demonstrate the value of vaccines, antivaxxer propaganda is endlessly trying to hide these facts.

0 ( +5 / -5 )

Interesting that even after multiple rounds of vaccinations, widespread mask wearing and constant reminders that the death rate is the highest yet.

Death rate is not the highest yet wobot.

Three years into the pandemic you still don't even know what rate is?

0 ( +2 / -2 )

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