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Japan OKs 1st domestic-made COVID shots tailored for Omicron subvariant

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Better late than never eh. It’s only been getting on for four years since the start of the pandemic.

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At least this vaccines is tailored for Japanese with specific Japanese diet.

https://www.reddit.com/r/japan/comments/pk6hej/japans_vaccine_rollout_was_delayed_because_the/

Reason why vaccine were delayed in Japan because Japan thought that those foreign vaccines need being tested with local population, citing that local food diet might have certain effect to vaccines.

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Message to Japan: the pandemic has mostly been over for 18 months. Humanity won.

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Average age of death of Covid in U.K. 82, sorry I don’t know Japan figures as they don’t provide adequate info

Its was highly unlikely to kill in the early variants anyone under 70 and almost impossible now.

if severely I’ll and/or very old maybe there’s a need to take, otherwise use your own judgement and look at the data comparisons of illness/deaths by infection Vs by vaccine by age group.

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Great. So will this new vaccine stop infection, transmission, getting sick or dying? If, like any of the previous vaccines, the answer is no to any these, take your "vaccines" Daiichi/Meiji, and put in them in an industrial-sized circular filing cabinet.

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Jay

The answer is a definite no, lol

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Message to Japan: the pandemic has mostly been over for 18 months. Humanity won.

Message to humanity from coronavirus: We are still alive and thriving, after killing millions of you and leaving countless more with chronic or permanent damage, all because you refused to accept basic scientific principles about how respiratory viruses are transmitted. We won.

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I will stick with robust natural immunity but good luck to the company.

As long as it's a choice, people can put whatever they like in their own bodies imo.

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They really cut it fine, just got it out the door in time

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The world's official deaths were just below 7 million. WHO last year said it might actually be 15 million due to under-reporting etc. A rough calculation using the higher figure, and a world population of 8 billion, shows a mere 0.19% of the world dying from covid-19. By any stretch of the imagination, the virus did not win. It barely made a dent. 70 million humans are born in a year. 2.5 months would see the 15 million replenished. The Black Death killed one-third of the population of Europe in the 14th century.

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Covid19 shots? Still!?

We essentially all have natural immunity (broad, long lasting, robust) already. No need to take unnecessary risks with a shot against a spike protein for a couple of months protection against the next variant, which will likely have a very different spike protein.

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Interesting.

A pharma product that uses my body to replicate itself inside my body.

You mean as in the first vaccines ever produced that do exactly that?

Is there an off switch?

For anybody with a working immunity, of course, it is part of the expected response. And for those without it the vaccine (all vaccines) are not recommended in the first place.

Its was highly unlikely to kill in the early variants anyone under 70 and almost impossible now.

That is still false according to the experts in public health, having a lower risk of death is not even close to that risk being insignificant (nor it does anything for all the other risks apart from death that are still present).

Great. So will this new vaccine stop infection, transmission, getting sick or dying? If, like any of the previous vaccines, the answer is no to any these, take your "vaccines" Daiichi/Meiji, and put in them in an industrial-sized circular filing cabinet.

No vaccine in the history of humanity completely and absolutely stops infection, transmission, disease or death, that is a terribly poor argument to say vaccines are useless. Rational people can understand an important benefit can still be present even if that benefit is not absolute.

As long as it's a choice, people can put whatever they like in their own bodies imo.

It is always a choice, which is not criticized, the criticism is for people that use false information to pretend an irrational decision is justified when it is not the case. Not vaccinating (and dealing with the consequences) is not the problem, repeating that vaccination is useless would.

We essentially all have natural immunity (broad, long lasting, robust) already. No need to take unnecessary risks with a shot against a spike protein for a couple of months protection against the next variant, which will likely have a very different spike protein.

The vaccines have demonstrated benefits, that includes people that have been previously infected. Since we know that repeated infections come with increased risks for the health of the people that means boosters are not only justified but even necessary, which is why public health authorities and experts strongly recommend them, specially for those with a higher degree of vulnerability.

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No vaccine in the history of humanity completely and absolutely stops infection, transmission, disease or death, that is a terribly poor argument to say vaccines are useless.

Read my words very carefully. There is no Covid vaccine. The Covid virus is a coronavirus. Like the common cold, which is also a coronavirus, it mutates too quickly for a vaccine to be effective.

90% of the population were duped by big Pharma into mistakenly believing there was a vaccine. They have since been duped by governments into believing a "booster" shot is a vaccine when, at best, it is a medicine that lessens the severity of the disease in people with compromised immune systems.

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Daiichi Sankyo is a day late and a dollar short. Nothing new for a Japanese corporation.

Nobody cares about Covid vaccines anymore. Even people who have had several boosters are now saying, "Naw, I'm good".

The whole premise behind these things is incredibly bizarre. You take a shot which likely knocks you out for a day, some people have less severe side effects, some people get absolutely wrecked. It is supposed to grant you some undisclosed degree of immunity, but most people who take it still get Covid anyway. But Omicron is not particularly intense to begin with. Even original 2020 Covid, which I had before there were even vaccines, was generally a pretty uneventful experience for me. I don't think we will ever truly discover the real efficacy of the vaccines, as Covid had already declined massively in deadliness after the first year, then even more so the second year.

My guess is, as is usually the case, Daiichi Sankyo has a very nice relationship with the folks in the LDP. Most of the "scientists" in the pharmaceutical industry aren't even scientists so much as they business people, and most of the "science" is just advertising. The system is so unbelievably corrupt, and the lack of transparency is not surprising. What is surprising is the extent to which people aren't pushing back and demanding accountability from those that made this endless merry-go-round of cash possible.

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Read my words very carefully. There is no Covid vaccine

Baseless claims do not replace arguments, the experts of the world clearly, explicitly recognize the covid vaccines and qualify them as very successful and that saved millions of lives.

You claiming to know more than them and being able to contradict what they can demonstrate do nothing to substantiate those claims, it just means you consider your personal opinion something that can be imposed, which is of course not valid.

Present evidence that can demonstrate the scientific and medical consensus is wrong, before that it is a much more reliable source of information about medical matters.

Nobody cares about Covid vaccines anymore

Public health experts do, which is why they strongly recommend for people to be vaccinated for this season. You personally not caring about them is not something you can just generalize.

The whole premise behind these things is incredibly bizarre

Is the same premise than previous vaccines, doctors do not find bizarre the premise at all, all vaccines have side effects, for coronavirus effective protection is related to benign, temporary problems derived from the activation of the immune system. This is hardly something new.

but most people who take it still get Covid anyway. 

The benign form of the disease, the same that happens with Japanese Encephalitis or Polio, people still get fever, a few days of feeling bad but they are spared from the dangerous complications, once again the same as with the covid vaccines.

as Covid had already declined massively in deadliness after the first year, then even more so the second year.

It is still a risk for most people, which is why experts still recommend vaccination where there is transmission. To refute this you need much more than "people survive it" you need to demonstrate people are not better vaccinated.

Most of the "scientists" in the pharmaceutical industry aren't even scientists so much as they business people, and most of the "science" is just advertising.

Which is irrelevant when you are trying to contradict evidence produced by scientist that are NOT in the pharmaceutical companies.

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You take a shot which likely knocks you out for a day, some people have less severe side effects, some people get absolutely wrecked. It is supposed to grant you some undisclosed degree of immunity, but most people who take it still get Covid anyway. But Omicron is not particularly intense to begin with.

Yeah, I (unvaxxed) had Omicron a while back. It was very mild, light fever and I felt a little tired for a few days, that's it. While so many of my colleagues/friends/students told me they felt extremely bad after getting the shot.

And when you get multiple "boosters", we also have to consider the production IgG4 antibodies.

The vaccines have demonstrated benefits, that includes people that have been previously infected.

But they also have demonstrated risks that outweigh any alleged benefit. Clearly not worth taking those risks, especially considering the mildness of current variants and the current immunity that the vast majority of us already have.

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Which is irrelevant when you are trying to contradict evidence produced by scientist that are NOT in the pharmaceutical companies.

It is relevant because the pharmaceutical industry and government (their pals) have bankrolled the studies and research through their grants. That's literally what Operation Warp Speed was. The funding needed to undertake such endeavors doesn't just appear out of nowhere.

Even Harvard University has been caught faking/manipulating studies and research. It is literally as easy as editing Excel spreadsheets, and that is the dumb way of doing it. Likely, the bigger players involved, the more sophisticated the tools and methodologies are. I imagine the reason they threw that Italian-American sociology professor under the bus was because the implications of her getting exposed were relatively low risk, and they needed a sacrificial lamb. But people in pharma? We're talking trillions of dollars at play, entire industries.

If you want to be the last person on Earth defending mRNA shots, well, I guess that's your call. But from the way things look, public perception and reputation is at an all time low for the people that pushed these vaccines on all of us and got rich in the process.

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the experts of the world  

Experts? The same experts who demanded a one-size-fits-all vaccination scheme for the entire population, including healthy adults? The same experts who are under investigation overseas for peddling lies? The same experts who fail to mention the dramatic rise in excess deaths? The same experts who continue to deny the dangers of mRNA? The same experts who vigorously recommended lock downs? (now regarded as having done more harm than good). The same experts who insisted we all mask up? (outside of medical-grade n95 also now recognised as having little benefit). The same experts who told us to "trust the science" when the so-called science was plucked from thin air (as described by UK Health)?

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Yeah, I (unvaxxed) had Omicron a while back

N-1 uncontrolled, unqualifed, badly characterized study do nothing against the best evidence available (as in millions of cases well characterized, described, controlled) that say the opposite.

And when you get multiple "boosters", we also have to consider the production IgG4 antibodies.

Yet boosted people do better than those that do not, epidemiological evidence clearly supports the value of vaccines, making up reasons why the vaccines should not work is not important when they have demonstrated to work, and reduce the risk for those who are vaccinated and boosted.

But they also have demonstrated risks that outweigh any alleged benefit

No, they have not, which is why the experts still recommend them, pretending the medical community of the world (as in every country) is is some kind of global conspiracy just because the available evidence disproves this claim you like to push is not an argument, is an excuse for not having the evidence you require to prove your claim.

 is relevant because the pharmaceutical industry and government (their pals) have bankrolled the studies and research through their grants. 

Unless you can prove this accusation it is still valueless and empty. A global conspiracy where everybody is willing to supposedly sacrifice their health, and the health of their families and friends for money is not even remotely believable, the only people that consider this outrageous conspiracy possible are those that would do that if the option was offered, for the rational people this makes absolutely no sense.

 It is literally as easy as editing Excel spreadsheets

If you think this is possible that only means you don't understand scientific publications and post publication peer review, the simple fact that countless studies "proving" vaccines are not safe have been debunked as soon as somebody looks closely to the data should make it easy to see why "editing excel spreadsheets" is not an argument to say this is enough to hide the supposed conspiracy.

If you want to be the last person on Earth defending mRNA shots

The medical and scientific communities of the world are the ones that can prove the vaccines have been hugely successful, you claiming every expert of the world is inept or willing to sacrifice their families is not enough to prove your claims are not mistaken after all.

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Experts? The same experts who demanded a one-size-fits-all vaccination scheme for the entire population, including healthy adults? 

Well since that have not happened then that means you are again making up strawman fallacies to criticize something when you can't find reasons to criticize what actually happened. Health y adults still have risks from covid and still benefit from vaccines, believing otherwise do not disprove this fact.

 The same experts who are under investigation overseas for peddling lies?

That would be the "experts" that pretended to prove vaccines were risky hiding data, fabricating inexistent patients or hoping flawed methodologies would not be caught in peer review.

Obviously you can't pretend every single respected institution of the world is under investigation for supporting the value of vaccines, right? nobody can believe that claim.

The same experts who vigorously recommended lock downs? 

When they were justified to save lives? of course, that is what the evidence indicated and proved afterwards, the same experts recommended for vaccines to replace the lockdowns when the vaccines became available, because they were more effective and less costly.

The same experts who insisted we all mask up?

Again, since the roles of masks against covid was demonstrated this is a perfectly justified measure, it is recommended even now that the season brings back covid and other respiratory diseases.

The same experts who told us to "trust the science" when the so-called science was plucked from thin air

The scientific community of the world agrees that isolation was necessary, vaccines and masks effective and covid an important risk that required control. None of these conclusions come "from thin air", as easily as you are unable to prove any of these claims. You just repeat them as if that supported them, it does not.

The experts of the world are still a hugely much more reliable source for information of their field of expertise than anonymous people claiming without evidence the experts must be wrong, just because.

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Yet boosted people do better than those that do not, epidemiological evidence clearly supports the value of vaccines, making up reasons why the vaccines should not work is not important when they have demonstrated to work, and reduce the risk for those who are vaccinated and boosted.

Yeah, except that the epidemiological evidence clearly supports the opposite.

And there are considerable excess deaths world-wide, which governments/authorities refuse to acknowledge, or they blame other reasons for them.

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Unless you can prove this accusation it is still valueless and empty.

It's not a conspiracy; it's literally just how pharmaceutical research works. Pharma lobbies congress. Government funds research. Universities and labs get more grant money for research if their conclusions can generate profit.

Why are you going to such great lengths to deny this? Just acknowledge the objective fact, and argue for it's merits. But acting like this isn't the case is just silly and dishonest.

If you think this is possible that only means you don't understand scientific publications and post publication peer review

Modified Excel spreadsheets are exactly how Harvard got into trouble. That's how Francesca Gino got exposed. She literally modified spreadsheets containing data for studies. It passed the peer review process and wasn't discovered until much later on.

Within the field of data analysis more broadly, without even modifying data maliciously, information is so easy to manipulate.

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Yeah, except that the epidemiological evidence clearly supports the opposite.

Cpompletely false, as easily proved as you keep repeating that claim without ever bringing any evidence to supopr ti, meanwhile public health systems around the world clearly, unequivocally recommend the vaccines precisely because they are proved to work.

And there are considerable excess deaths world-wide, which governments/authorities refuse to acknowledge, or they blame other reasons for them.

when those excess deaths are clearly releated to NOT being vaccinated that is not "blaming" other reasons, it is proving it so.

It's not a conspiracy

Well since you keep trying to say you can't present evidence because every single institution around the world are supposedly hiding that evidence that means that yes, your only argument is a conspiracy.

And since you bring zero evidence of how this happens in every single institution of the world it is even worse, it is just a conspiracy theory that you have been unable to prove.

Why are you going to such great lengths to deny this?

When you make a claim you are completely unable to prove and that is contradicted by the available evidence that is what you open yourself to, for anybody to simply debunk that conspiracy not supported by anything.

Modified Excel spreadsheets are exactly how Harvard got into trouble

Vague accusations only means you are clearly misrepresenting the situation, and no, I clearly said the actual hurdle is POST review peer review, which Gino did not pass, it is precisely this what found the problems, which means your own argument refutes the conspiracy theory that according to you explains why you can't prove what you claim.

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