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Vaccine doses arriving in early 2022:

Novavax: 150 million 

Moderna: 50 million

Pfizer: 120 million

That’s a lot of extra vaccines from 2022, apparently for one-shot boosters.

As of today, 54% of eligible vaccine recipients have been fully vaccinated, and 68% have received one shot. We can use that data to deduce that nearly 70% of eligible recipients will be fully vaxxed by mid-October.

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I hope everything will be delivered on time

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Wow!

It seems that Japan is overrunning all other countries with their vaccine roll out.

My home country is no struggling with each vaccine, because the people who refuses the vaccine are getting more and more day by day.

More and more people refuse to take the vaccine, because of all the bad news we all heard during the last weeks about the vaccination.

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48% fully vaccinated. Which means around half of the 120million people And we still have millions of other orders that hasn't been completed yet. So why do we still need another 150million new orders of vaccines? Let them sit in the freezer and rot? Who is financing all of this? Did they even think it through? Because i can already predict 3 months from now, some idiot is gonna realize that they order why too many and don't know what to do with it and somehow had to find a way to give it away before it expired

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Good news. Ahead of the curve this time if and when they decide on boosters (thinking more likely when).

Traditional old school vaccine so not expecting the anti vaxxers expecting to chime in with their 'experimental' rubbish on this topic today.

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@Monty

More and more people refuse to take the vaccine...

This is mathematically impossible.

You cannot unvaccinate a vaccinated person. Over time the number of unvaccinated people can only decrease...

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That’s a lot of extra vaccines from 2022, apparently for one-shot boosters.

Who ever said "one-shot booster"?

It's probably planned to be every 6 months.

As you may know, Israel is already giving their booster, but a few days ago the head of the Israeli vaccination program stated that they need to already begin making plans for their 4th shot (2nd booster).

With the insane amounts of money being spent, one really needs to wonder if there isn't a type of "planned obsolescence" with these vaccines/boosters. With the War on Drugs fizzling, and the War on Terror now fading, the War on Covid is the new destination for public funding.

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With each vaccination day that passes, the covid catastrophe many people here envisions become less and less likely.

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A lot of people got shouted down for suggesting that the delayed approval and slow rollout of vaccines was an attempt to allow domestic companies the chance to cash in. Well, this news makes it pretty obvious that they were right.

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This is mathematically impossible.

You cannot unvaccinate a vaccinated person. Over time the number of unvaccinated people can only decrease...

Hae???

Am I the only one who don't understand that?

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This is the LDP paying off supporters in the business industry by buying "Japanese-made vaccine", so they can get votes and kickbacks. Are they going to buy all of the vaccine then give a lot of it away right before expiration to 3rd world countries for soft power? Are they going to be pushing for boosters sold by Takeda?

It seems to be the same as the whaling industry.

Poor planning and Kickbacks, kickbacks, kickbacks!

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Am I the only one who don't understand that?

Well I understand it perfectly ( I think lol) and it seems the poster misunderstood your assertion that because of problems cropping up with vaccines more and more people become hesitant to take it

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Good, The bottom line is the more vaccination the better off we all are.

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This looks better than the other vaccines if they can meet any timelines which has been their biggest downfall to date.

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@Ian

Ok, I see...probably my english was not clear.

Yes, I mean because of the problems that occured with the vaccines during the last weeks, more and more people refuse to get vaccine.

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True, but once the definition of "fully vaccinated" becomes 3 shots the number of people not fully vaccinated will increase.

You honestly think the Pfizer and Moderna concoctions are going to limited to 3 a year? Israel is talking about 5 a year. if it first it doesn't work, try again, and again, and again.

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@Monty

Ok, I see...probably my english was not clear.

Yes, I mean because of the problems that occured with the vaccines during the last weeks, more and more people refuse to get vaccine.

Your statements and posts are always clear, sometimes misunderstandings just happen

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However many boosters it takes to put this to bed, might take years and we have to dilute it down as much as possible. The only fly in the ointment are the anti vaxxers who are holding us back and who will be the creators of variants.

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How can any vaccine be formulated when it is proven that the corona virus can not be isolated ? Then, what is a vaccine really for.

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The only fly in the ointment are the anti vaxxers who are holding us back and who will be the creators of variants.

As Monty said, there could be more and more people becoming hesitant to take the vaccine (at least in his home country) but one thing is certain, there will be less and less unvaccinated with each day that passes one way or another

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@Monty

Wow!

My home country is no struggling with each vaccine, because the people who refuses the vaccine are getting more and more day by day.

More and more people refuse to take the vaccine, because of all the bad news we all heard during the last weeks about the vaccination.

And which country would that be?

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Do they plan to "ask" you to take a booster every six months?

Why would they? We're not children. If it keeps you healthy, any sane person will be happy to take it.

You know, the people who aren't stupid.

Third world people aren't having these arguments. Ever wonder why?

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Finally a traditional vax

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Novavax vaccine would be 3rd jab for those who are fully vaccinated.

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So with this Novavax vaccine, I expect all antivaxxers to get vaccinated!

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So with this Novavax vaccine, I expect all antivaxxers to get vaccinated!

I’m no antivaxx person. I’ll definitely be following this one ONLY cuz I wanna visit my 89 year old parents in the States.

But it’s still none of your business whether people get vaccinated or not.

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I'm not yet vaccinated. And that's on purpose. I am not interested in the mRNA vaccine. But I am open to a more traditional approach. If all goes well, I'll be happy to take this jab early next year.

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48% are fully vaccinated, not 58%. Last Wednesday it was 46%.

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Why would they? We're not children. If it keeps you healthy, any sane person will be happy to take it.

Yeah that’s it, just go with the flow and everything will be o.k…….

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I think about 80 million need to be fully vaccinated. That's 160 million doses. Booster jabs another 80 million making 240 million doses.

So will anti-vaxxers take this one?

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theResident

Today 07:42 am JST

However many boosters it takes to put this to bed, might take years and we have to dilute it down as much as possible. The only fly in the ointment are the anti vaxxers who are holding us back and who will be the creators of variants??????

Wow what absolute bunk!!!!

Funny, breakthrough infections are skyrocketing ipso facto a vaccine resist strain is more likely to come from the already "vaccinated".....

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Posters are watching too much CNN.

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NumanToday  07:26 am JST

This is the LDP paying off supporters in the business industry by buying "Japanese-made vaccine", so they can get votes and kickbacks. 

Novavax is a Maryland US company, and all other nations' domestic pharma companies are licensing and working to facilitate production and distribution. It is also presently regarded as 90% effective against the newer variants.

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This is the typical modern Japanese methodology; Let the rest of the world innovative, forge ahead, and be leaders (while also making some mistakes).

Then and only then adopt implement those innovations, improvements in the most profitable way for Japanese politicians, businesses and economy. It's protectionism 101.

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The word anti-vax has no meaning and should be banned, as if it was only pro and anti.

All people in the world have been vaccinated in their life. People just want a safe vaccine and the right to decide. The covid vaccine is not compulsory. Let people with their choices

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What many posters are forgetting is that now these vaccines are free and funded by our taxes and it is not going to be like that until Covid-19 is laid to rest, eventually the government will start demanding money just like the flu vaccine and that will result in many people not taking the vaccine not because they are anti vaxxers but because of the cost. Some governments do certain things not because they like it but because other governments are doing it and don't want to look bad.

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The word anti-vax has no meaning and should be banned, as if it was only pro and anti.

All people in the world have been vaccinated in their life. People just want a safe vaccine and the right to decide. The covid vaccine is not compulsory. Let people with their choices

I agree. I'm on the sidelines waiting for a SAFE vaccine. Maybe Novavax is that vaccine. We'll have to wait and see.

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Very, very good news.

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And how's that September thing going? Specifically having the population vaccinated during September?

And 150 million doses early next year? When exactly? Early next year could be any time, depending on interpretation.

If there will be 150 million doses of vaccines by next year, then what will happen by then? Doesn't that say, in other words, that there will be vaccinations by then and therefore we don't have a sufficiently vaccinated population? And if other supplies are to come in, won't that mean stockpiles? How long will they last before they expire? Is everything in place for that, so it doesn't end up like last time, where all of a sudden everybody found out they didn't have freezers to store this or that.

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There might end up being a glut especially considering Shionogi might enter the fray.

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OK, I might take this vaccine as it not genetically based and more of a traditional vaccine. My objection to the mRNA vaccines is that there is a chance that the mRNA sequences for producing the spike protein could be reverse transcribed into DNA to ultimately integrate into my muscle cells' DNA (and possibly other cells of different organs after the mRNA vaccine particles pass through the lymph system and then enter said cells) and continually produce this protein in my body, possibly crippling me with an autoimmune disease years down the road. This is scientifically possible. Such are the reasons why many people take a wait and see approach.

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not 1 poster or media outlet for that matter talks about early treatment or striving to get healthier through weight loss, exercise, supplements, sunshine, stress reduction and human contact.

Striving to get healthier is a great idea - but won't protect you from catching covid.

Or at least, I've searched hard and long for studies that support this assertion, but have never found anything.

If you don't want covid, you need the vaccine. If you get it, you should take whatever medial suggestions your medical provider suggests.

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Tonnes of vaxxed people are still getting the virus! And they are shedding.

And millions of unvaxxed people are dead.

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48% are fully vaccinated, not 58%. Last Wednesday it was 46%.

If you read carefully, he said 58% of the eligible population, not the overall population. There are approximately 11 million children under 12 that are not eligible for vaccination at this time.

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 My objection to the mRNA vaccines is that there is a chance that the mRNA sequences for producing the spike protein could be reverse transcribed into DNA to ultimately integrate into my muscle cells' DNA 

This is not a realistically possible scenario, because there is no machinery present to do this and the mRNA sequence has not the signals for that machinery to recognize it and integrate it in the genome, if there was any chance of this happening for the vaccine your cells would reverse transcribe your natural mRNA constantly (since it is much more abundant in your cells) and you would be getting cancer repeatedly.

Do you know what actually have one tiny chance of doing this? the natural infection. that curses with much more viral mRNA being produced AND replicated inside every infected cell, as well as transported around in exosomes in an uncontrollable way. This means that getting the mRNA vaccines actually lowers the chances of this happening.

Tokyo Medical Association Chief is recommending ivermectin for early treatment across the board.

The chairman is doing that, not the association in general, and unfortunately this is being done in absence of clear scientific evidence of benefit from the drug because he is hopelessly behind in the review of the literature.

Vaccines on the other hand are being recommended by all medical and scientific organizations of the world (including Japan), so it should be obvious that vaccinating is the logical option.

Vaccines (in general) reduce the chances of getting infected, complicated or dying from the infection, and they also reduce the transmission. Saying something is not 100% effective so it is 0% effective is not logical.

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You can still get Covid with the vaxx, it is supposed to keep you out of the hospital. However, that was before the Delta variant which the Phizer is not designed for.

Data collected from places with wide distribtion of delta variant still indicate this is true. vaccinated people are infected less, hospitalized even less, complicate and die even less, when compared with unvaccinated people.

Correcting false or misleading information is not pushing vaccines, the safety and efficacy information does that naturally. Which is also the reason why the chinese vaccines are not so popular, since the own developers accept their efficacy is much lower. The russian one is unfortunately involved in some shady things that make the developers hide the raw data from their clinical trials and inoculations in other countries, so it is impossible for the experts to evaluate how good or bad the vaccine is, this makes it less likely for any expert to recommend it if any other vaccine (that has this information) is available

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I don’t understand

Yes that's the problem

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Lots of excited vaxx pushers out there. 

You can still get Covid with the vaxx, it is supposed to keep you out of the hospital. However, that was before the Delta variant which the Phizer is not designed for. 

I don’t understand why there are so many vax pushers here, and why they are SO opposed to folks who want to wait for a traditional vaccine, or why they so opposed to healthy folks wanting to build a permanent natural immunity with treatment instead of vaccinations. Notice we don’t see much info in the MSM of the success of the Russian and Chinese, more traditional vaccines.

Peru has just sighed a contract to produce the Russian vaccine.

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I find this vaccine more promising than the mRNA ones.

With the Novavax vaccine, you get injected with a fixed amount of protein (produced in insect cells). While with the mRNA vaccines, there is no control of the amount spike protein produced by your cells...

I might eventually consider taking the Novavax vaccine, after some time if I find the data convincing and honest (unlike the mRNA data)...

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it is supposed to keep you out of the hospital

And does for the most part.

However, that was before the Delta variant which the Phizer is not designed for.

And even not being "designed" for that, it's still exceptionally effective when compared to the unvaccinated population (which, you may or may not know is what they mean when they state the efficacy of a vaccine).

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I might eventually consider taking the Novavax vaccine, after some time if I find the data convincing and honest (unlike the mRNA data)...

Hey, I'm cool with whatever it takes to get people to save face and get vaccinated, even if it means introducing new vaccines that haven't been politicized (yet).

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@happyhere

"More and more people refuse to take the vaccine...

This is mathematically impossible.

You cannot unvaccinate a vaccinated person. Over time the number of unvaccinated people can only decrease..."

It has nothing to do with the number of unvaccinated persons; it has to do with the number of people who are UNWILLING to be vaccinated. Not sure whether or not the statement is true, but it's definitely not mathematically impossible.

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More and more people refuse to take the vaccine...

Sounds like projection, as the only way to track this would be to track the number of people who first were on the fence, and ultimately decided to refuse. I've never seen any study on this, anywhere. So I suspect the poster just said something they would like to think is happening.

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My objection to the mRNA vaccines is that there is a chance that the mRNA sequences for producing the spike protein could be reverse transcribed into DNA to ultimately integrate into my muscle cells' DNA (and possibly other cells of different organs after the mRNA vaccine particles pass through the lymph system and then enter said cells) and continually produce this protein in my body, possibly crippling me with an autoimmune disease years down the road. This is scientifically possible. Such are the reasons why many people take a wait and see approach.

One of the reasons why I and others are taking a "wait and see" approach.

Some of us are waiting for a traditional (safer) vaccine like Novavax.

The vaccine that Shionogi is working on shows some hope too, I think.

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"Hey, I'm cool with whatever it takes to get people to save face and get vaccinated, even if it means introducing new vaccines that haven't been politicized (yet)."

It's those who refuse to be vaccinated that have politicized a healthcare issue. Let them take Invermectin, if that's their choice.

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Japan announced its agreement to purchase 150 million doses of a vaccine thats not yet approved for use in Japan and is not yet decided how to distribute it.

And not until early next year.

This type of announcement is difficult to have faith in the vaccination system.

And only 46% of the population is supposedly fully vaccinated now.

By the time the people can actually access this vaccine will it still be effective ?

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It's those who refuse to be vaccinated that have politicized a healthcare issue. Let them take Invermectin, if that's their choice.

I find it weird that any medicine is politicized.

If I catch covid and my doctor recommends invectermin, I'll take it. My doctor recommended the vaccine. I took it. Not a single politician had anything to do with either of these.

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iranai.i am happy to leave my jabs for others.

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Don’t worry, @Matej. It’s exactly the ‘purpose’. It will be mostly sent free to poor countries.

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Waiting for a traditionally made vaccine is like refusing to drive a hybrid car and eventually a hydrogen car.

Get with the times. MRNA vaccines are great.

So many people here sound like my parents and cannot deal with technological advances.

Get with the times.

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With the Novavax vaccine, you get injected with a fixed amount of protein (produced in insect cells). While with the mRNA vaccines, there is no control of the amount spike protein produced by your cells...

This is not an actual problem, the amount of protein being produced is directly correlated to the number of cells being transfected, which completely depends on the amount of vaccine being delivered. This is a fixed amount that only variates biologically in the same degree as directly delivering the protein would be. There is no evidence the amount of protein being expressed variates significantly between vaccinated people, only the reaction to the produced protein, but this applies the same against directly supplied proteins.

One of the reasons why I and others are taking a "wait and see" approach.

This is not a reason, it is just an excuse not based on any realistically possible scenario. It is as logical as saying the vaccine can get you an extra 20 IQ points, if you twist and cut actual information you could say that but that does not mean it could actually happen or that it has been observed in even one case out of millions of people being vaccinated. It is something people may use to avoid being vaccinated, but it is not a "reason".

Traditional vaccines also have their own specific risks, which obviously will be exaggerated by antivaxxer propaganda at any place where they become popular.

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So why do we still need another 150million new orders of vaccines? Let them sit in the freezer and rot? 

Did you not actually read the article?

"... Novavax's two-jab vaccine relies on a more traditional technique...This means it does not have to be stored in ultra-low temperatures..."

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I might eventually consider taking the Novavax vaccine, after some time if I find the data convincing and honest (unlike the mRNA data)..

Good to hear you're considering.

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Um, I’m listening to doctors mate,

Famous last words.

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Over time the number of unvaccinated people can only decrease...

Agreed.

As mentioned, one way or another the number of unvaccinated will decrease.

Millions have already died.

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*If I catch covid and my doctor recommends invectermin, I'll take it. My doctor recommended the vaccine. I took it. *Not a single politician had anything to do with either of these.

You really think so?

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smart choice Japan.

nice to have different options so those with allergies to mRNA vaccines cannot have a reason to refuse this type.

I love my mRNA shot.

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Japan orders 150 million doses of Novavax COVID vaccine

That is good news. I am unvaxxed as of now, but I would be much less reluctant to get the the Novavax shot, as that one is fundamentally a real vaccine and not an mRNA treatment.

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With the Novavax vaccine, you get injected with a fixed amount of protein (produced in insect cells). While with the mRNA vaccines, there is no control of the amount spike protein produced by your cells...

This is not an actual problem, the amount of protein being produced is directly correlated to the number of cells being transfected, which completely depends on the amount of vaccine being delivered. This is a fixed amount that only variates biologically in the same degree as directly delivering the protein would be.

Yeah, the greater the mRNA vaccine dose and the greater the amount of spike protein produced, but that amount (of spike protein) will vary tremendously.

There is no evidence the amount of protein being expressed variates significantly between vaccinated people, only the reaction to the produced protein, but this applies the same against directly supplied proteins.

There is no evidence that it does not vary. Those experiments should have been carried out, but that data is not available. The manufacturer should determine how much protein is produced; they haven't (or they haven't provided the data).

Normally, when you take a medicine the amount is carefully controlled. For example, a 12mg ivermectin pill will contain 12mg of the drug (within an extremely small error). It would not be acceptable to sell ivermectin pills that contain an unknown concentration anywhere within 2 to 50 mg). The Novavax vaccine will similarly contain a known amount of protein, but the amount of spike protein produced from the mRNA vaccines is unknown and will vary tremendously.

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vendingmachinemusic

smart choice Japan.

nice to have different options so those with allergies to mRNA vaccines 

I dont know that there is such a thing as "allergies to mRNA vaccines". There are however VAERS figures that are off the chart, and there are lots of uncertainties to use a largely still unknown new technology on large populations. The terminology is also misleading. The mRNA shots are not strictly speaking vaccines in the traditional sense.

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That is good news. I am unvaxxed as of now, but I would be much less reluctant to get the the Novavax shot, as that one is fundamentally a real vaccine and not an mRNA treatment.

Again, good to hear.

Good news indeed!

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I might eventually consider taking the Novavax vaccine, after some time if I find the data convincing and honest (unlike the mRNA data)..

Good to hear you're considering.

Yeah, I might consider it, but will still likely not get it. However, there is no way in hell I will ever get any of the mRNA ones...

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My objection to the mRNA vaccines is that there is a chance that the mRNA sequences for producing the spike protein could be reverse transcribed into DNA to ultimately integrate into my muscle cells' DNA (and possibly other cells of different organs after the mRNA vaccine particles pass through the lymph system and then enter said cells) and continually produce this protein in my body, possibly crippling me with an autoimmune disease years down the road. This is scientifically possible. Such are the reasons why many people take a wait and see approach.

Quite right. And should be able to take this intelligent approach without being hectored and ridiculed by the witch hunting “I believe my government” crew.

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Yeah, I might consider it, but will still likely not get it. However, there is no way in hell I will ever get any of the mRNA ones...

Exactly.

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You do not need to believe the government. Just check out the health advice. We had our first jab last week. Nothing, no problems.

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Yeah, the greater the mRNA vaccine dose and the greater the amount of spike protein produced, but that amount (of spike protein) will vary tremendously.

This is just your personal belief, based on not understanding the process, that is why you can't present a scientific source that support that belief, because it is not true.

There is no evidence that it does not vary.

You are the one that says it variates, even when the evidence from the clinical trials never even suggested this. Or to be more clear, there is no evidence that it varies in a clinically important degree, that is just your personal belief based on nothing. Saying that you don't have evidence of the protein production actually only proves that you are the one that is defending completely unsupported assumptions that contradict the effects observed.

Your analogy with ivermectin is flawed in the same way, a drug or a vaccine are delivered exactly, but in every person the biodisponibility and the degree it affect the biological processes will vary, this includes the amount of spike protein, but also the metabolites of ivermectin, what you failed to prove is that these biological differences are of any clinical importance.

Quite right. 

Except for the part where this can be proved to be realistically impossible.

Famous last words.

Not as much as "who cares what the doctor says"

Good to hear you're considering.

To be fair many antivaxxers say they support one type of vaccine in order to attack another, but will contradict themselves immediately when confronted just so they can attack the vaccines in general. Part of the benefits of their cognitive dissonance.

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virusrex

> Yeah, the greater the mRNA vaccine dose and the greater the amount of spike protein produced, but that amount (of spike protein) will vary tremendously.

This is just your personal belief, based on not understanding the process, that is why you can't present a scientific source that support that belief, because it is not true.

Oh please stop this line. You are not presenting "scientific sources" either (which would be beyond the scope of this readers section anyway), instead you are always hiding behind some scientic authority that in your mind has the ultimate truth. While in realiy, science is not a dogma, it is a process of continuous search and question.

All that you are really saying is that you believe in the official government line and dont like people (both here and among scientists) who ask questions. So boring.

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It helps if you actually try to read the article first before you comment.

They haven't even started making the vaccine yet so its not likely to go bad.

And also as the article states it has a much longer shelf life.

That's if you actually believe the details as truth.

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Kyo wa heiwa dayo ne

It helps if you actually try to read the article first before you comment.

They haven't even started making the vaccine yet so its not likely to go bad.

Who are you responding to?

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Oh please stop this line. You are not presenting "scientific sources" either 

What kind of sources do you think are necessary to prove that something being commented is not based on science? If my point is that something being told is baseless it is enough to prove there is nothing to support that.

All that you are really saying is that you believe in the official government line

Government (and the media which is the other invalid excuse) is not related even remotely to the scientific consensus, which is the one that completely contradicts the antivaxxer propaganda. This is just a strawman from people that want to pretend something is being told by someone they can more easily discredit, when in reality science is the one supporting the safety and efficacy of the vaccines.

Of course science is not a dogma, that do not contradict at all the fact that the best available science at the moment contradicts what you believe based on valid data. You may not like this consensus, but that has no importance.

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More and more people refuse to take the vaccine, because of all the news

Do you mean the fake news has been pushed by the globe's misinformation and disinformation spreaders.

Just say neigh to the herders using right wing media to push a treatment for horses. No more deaths from injecting disinfectant and other treatments suggested by Qanon, and other extremist right wingnuts, in the US and around the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLtCBvKI_Mc

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PTownsend

Just say neigh to the herders using right wing media to push a treatment for horses. No more deaths from injecting disinfectant and other treatments suggested by Qanon, and other extremist right wingnuts, in the US and around the world.

Nobody is pushing a "treatment for horses", QAnon has nothing to do with any treatment, and neither have "right wing wingnuts" or any other wingnuts. Pls note that is is mostly the Trump-hating mainstream media belivers who are now all in for the "operation warpspeed" mRNA shots, developed, taken, and favoured by Trump. The irony is hard to beat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLtCBvKI_Mc

Good grief, a polemical piece from the "Lincoln project"! Yes, a completely politicaly unbiased medical authority. Love it!

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