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Japan probes two deaths after jabs from tainted Moderna batch

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Yikes this is serious stuff. RIP and condolences to the families.

23 ( +26 / -3 )

Im sure there are many more just not reported and got sweep under the rug. Indeed serious fire to be messing with. I hope Big Pharma will repay there family for a lost love one. Though money wont bring the dead back to life. RIP.

-12 ( +28 / -40 )

The ministry said the cause of death was still being investigated and "currently, causal relations with the vaccinations are unknown".

Their deaths may be unrelated to the vaccine.

neither had underlying health conditions or allergic history, the ministry said.

The first my friend knew of his underlying heart condition was when it killed him three years ago.

23 ( +44 / -21 )

No chance of compensation from moderne as these big pharma companies hold all governments to ransom! If you don’t give us indemnity you don’t get the vaccine! Shameless!

These vaccines are still new and u der EUA in most countries except those that rushed them through!

These men wouldn’t have died from corona!

RIP

2 ( +33 / -31 )

A few days ago, Lisa Shaw, a journalist with the BBC died after getting her vaccine.

She was 44, healthy and with no underlying conditions. She left behind a child.

What is going on here?

8 ( +32 / -24 )

No chance of compensation from moderne as these big pharma companies hold all governments to ransom! If you don’t give us indemnity you don’t get the vaccine! Shameless!

The governments gain more from absorbing this specific liability than letting life saving medical interventions go dry on lawsuits that they would win anyway. Doing it like this means public health benefit and people seeking for compensation have it also much easier. All other forms of liability are still intact.

These vaccines are still new and u der EUA in most countries except those that rushed them through!

Being under EUA do not make something less safe, the data is undeniable, the vaccines are simply hugely safer than not vaccinating.

These men wouldn’t have died from corona!

They may not even have died from the vaccine either, that is what an investigation is being conducted.

The reality is that for anybody without a medical contraindication being vaccinated means having less risk of complications or death.

4 ( +33 / -29 )

Clearly no definitive causal relationship between the deaths and the Moderna vaccines in this tainted lot has been established yet as it is still being investigated. But the notion that there are more deaths being "swept under the rug" is pure unsubstantiated speculation. The kind that adds fuel to the ant-vax crowd who seek any piece of misinformation to support their misguided view.

The investigation needs to be carried out thoroughly.

18 ( +37 / -19 )

The reality is that for anybody without a medical contraindication

Reading the news above it seems that being a warm-blooded mammal who walks upright is a contraindication.

The people who died would be far better off if they had not taken the vaccine.

At this point, it's clearly a lie to say "the vaccines are safe"

-13 ( +23 / -36 )

Moderna better prepare itself for the incoming lawsuits. This cannot go unanswered.

2 ( +17 / -15 )

The people who died would be far better off if they had not taken the vaccine.

How do you know that ? How do you know there is a link between the vaccine and their death ?

So typical for vax doubters/anti vax: two people die days after receiving a vaccine is a condemnation of the vaccine - even though there is no clear proof of the causality here -, while dozens dying of the COVID daily is: ah well that's just a cold and very low mortality so no big deal.

8 ( +32 / -24 )

Reading the news above it seems that being a warm-blooded mammal who walks upright is a contraindication.

Because it can easily be demonstrated to decrease the risk of death or other complications? sorry but no, that is not a contraindication. You should try to understand what the word means.

10 ( +30 / -20 )

Reliable Western media is criticizing Japan’s generally jinxed & geriatric policies & programs, pointing out probable jaundiced jabs are only ‘the tip of the iceberg’ of failing internal ineffectiveness”.

-4 ( +8 / -12 )

As one reader suggests daily, Japan may be considering more “effective” measures pioneered by their immediate, bigger ‘neighbors’?

-12 ( +3 / -15 )

Summer 2020, less than 10% of the population vaccinated - under 20,000 active cases.

Summer 2021, "around 44% of the population vaccinated" - 271,103 active cases. (8/28)

Would love to know the logic behind this.

In the past week have heard of 4 people, I know, who have become positive however were vaccinated in July.

Someone is not telling us something.

-14 ( +17 / -31 )

Summer 2020, less than 10% of the population vaccinated - under 20,000 active cases.

Summer 2021, "around 44% of the population vaccinated" - 271,103 active cases. (8/28)

Did you just woke up after a long sleep since summer 2020 ? Ever heard of the delta variant ? Make your google search.

6 ( +25 / -19 )

This looks BAD.

13 ( +20 / -7 )

LovecraftingToday  07:39 am JST

Summer 2020, less than 10% of the population vaccinated - under 20,000 active cases.

Summer 2021, "around 44% of the population vaccinated" - 271,103 active cases. (8/28)

Did you just woke up after a long sleep since summer 2020 ? Ever heard of the delta variant ? Make your google search.

So, what you're saying is that vaccinations don't work?

I know many who are vaccinated / got sick / survived. AND I know many who are not vaccinated / got sick / survived.

The Delta variant? COVID is COVID. What's the next excuse for continued increases of vaccinated people, Lambda? and after that?

-8 ( +15 / -23 )

Thats one reason I am not vaccinated.

2 ( +22 / -20 )

Foreign bodies were also found in Moderna vials with a different lot number in Okinawa and vaccinations have been stopped.

The new lot number is 3005293.

Source:

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/4b60fddf77ef9d0ef091ba4c55d1e1ee17bc4333

22 ( +22 / -0 )

Did you just woke up after a long sleep since summer 2020 ? Ever heard of the delta variant ? Make your google search.

A major worry right now is Delta, a highly contagious SARS-CoV-2 virus strain, which was first identified in India in December. It swept rapidly through that country and Great Britain before reaching the U.S., where it is now the predominant variant. 

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-things-to-know-delta-variant-covid

0 ( +11 / -11 )

Might as well post data on other deaths.

If I have time I would have included number of deaths due to covid but I'm running late as is.

From japantines:

As of Aug. 8,

991 people had died in Japan after receiving shots of Pfizer Inc.'s vaccine and 11 after receiving Moderna's,

9 ( +13 / -4 )

A few days ago, Lisa Shaw, a journalist with the BBC died after getting her vaccine.

She was 44, healthy and with no underlying conditions. She left behind a child.

What is going on here?

And why didn't they tell us there were concerns about these two people before now? How many people are dying they aren't telling us about? Are they in the business of selling vaccines no matter how ineffective and how dangerous they are?

-5 ( +16 / -21 )

Would love to know the logic behind this.

One word answer, Olympics.

12 ( +12 / -0 )

I’m surprised that the vaccine is even mentioned. In most countries these would be chalked up as “COVID deaths.”

6 ( +9 / -3 )

Apparently a different batch in Okinawa has been found to be tainted too

https://www.jiji.com/sp/article?k=2021082800586&g=soc

So about that claim by Moderna that it was only the previous one...

10 ( +14 / -4 )

Read a very interesting report about how deaths are being falsely reported regarding covid and the vaccines. If a person gets the vaccine and then the next day gets hit by a bus and dies, it is being claimed that they died from getting the vaccine. This is totally false, but leads people to believe that the vaccine is dangerous. Lets wait and see what really happened to these two men before we jump to conclusions.

https://www.aap.com.au/meme-misuses-australian-data-to-falsely-claim-covid-19-vaccine-deaths/

-6 ( +12 / -18 )

get my jabs i am completely ok with that...

-2 ( +14 / -16 )

These vaccines have been rushed through without going through normal testing and approval. Governments have indemnified doctors and the pharmaceutical companies. Opponents are ostracised and risk losing their jobs.

Clearly this is all at the behest of the soon to be arriving occupants of interplanetary most extraordinary craft.

-3 ( +15 / -18 )

2 healthy guys dying of the vaccine.

virus X will have to think of more big pharma propaganda to excuse these deaths!

4 ( +17 / -13 )

Patients drop dead from vaccines "There's no definitive connection, blah, blah, blah"

Patients die of old age with Covid and a host of other issues "Covid killed them. Everyone no matter your age get vaccinated!!"

Vaccinate if you wish, but be well informed and never be coerced

10 ( +21 / -11 )

Too much speculation! No definitive answer exist as of yet! But some are making baseless conclusions. Wait for the result of the investigation!!!

3 ( +10 / -7 )

2 healthy guys dying of the vaccine.

virus X will have to think of more big pharma propaganda to excuse these deaths!

That is false, 2 deaths after vaccination are being investigates, this do not make the deaths to be because of the vaccine. for that it would be needed first to be shown that unvaccinated people die in lower rates.

And no, correcting false information is not propaganda, unlike trying to attack other users without even making the effort to use arguments.

Patients drop dead from vaccines "There's no definitive connection, blah, blah, blah"

Patients die of old age with Covid and a host of other issues "Covid killed them. Everyone no matter your age get vaccinated!!"

False argument. The real one is

"vaccinated and unvaccinated people die in equivalent rates" then the deaths are not vaccine related.

"Patients of old age die in much higher rates if they are infected by COVID than those uninfected" that clearly prove the deaths are related to COVID.

Oppose vaccines if you like, but don't pretend this to be a rational decision and don't spread false information.

-6 ( +14 / -20 )

Most of the recent lots of Moderna vaccines shipped to Japan appear to be produced in Spain's Laboratorios Farmaceuticos Rovi.

Rovi were originally providing fill-finish services and receiving the substance produced in a Lonza plant in Switzerland. After an agreement with Moderna, announced back in April 2021, they have recently started to manufacture the active substance. 

They should have had manufacturing and quality control issues during initial production.

Physical contaminants such as chips or fiber materials might be present in multiple lots shipped to Japan. 

Sources:

(1) https://www.investinspain.org/en/news/2021/rovi-moderna-vaccine

(2) http://www.surinenglish.com/local/202104/12/moderna-vaccine-manufacturing-role-20210412122332.html

(3) https://lindstromgroup.com/in/article/pharmaceutical-contamination-types-causes-and-prevention/

9 ( +9 / -0 )

Had my first jab appointment booked for early September but will likely cancel. It is all about personal risk assessment...

Getting a vaccine guarantees you a tiny chance of having bad side effects.

Not getting the vaccine does not guarantee you getting Covid. If you do get Covid (as a healthy younger person), then you have a tiny chance of having bad side effects.

5 ( +15 / -10 )

Wow, the anti-vax is strong in this group. Do people really believe that any government would give there own people something they know will kill or make them very sick? The USA is nearing 700,000 thousand deaths from covid. Now those who are dying are unvaccinated. Please stop the spread of misinformation, it's killing people. Just because you didn't die from playing Russian roulette doesn't mean it's a safe game to play.

2 ( +18 / -16 )

Do people really believe that any government would give there own people something they know will kill or make them very sick?

Correction...

Do people really believe that any government would give THEIR own people something they know will kill or make them very sick?

0 ( +13 / -13 )

Lisa Shaw was one of the very small number of people who have tragically died of complications after receiving a vaccine. This will happen when so many people receive an emergency vaccine. Bluntly, more people will die without vaccination than with it. That is why our usually tight-fisted governments have spent so much money purchasing vaccines.

This has not been 'swept under the carpet'. It has been reported by news media.

The two Moderna deaths may not be related to the vaccine or to the particulate contamination - believed to be metallic. That will require investigation, perhaps by the police.

It isn't unusual for industrial shavings to find their way into products, but medicines are usually produced to a higher standard.

There have been a number of suspicious events that might warrant investigation around the world during the pandemic, and sabotage should not be ruled out. However, everyone is feeling the pressure of lockdowns, enforced changes and increased governmental intervention in our lives. Before jumping to any conclusions and going crazy on social media, let the relevant bodies investigate. Vaccine production has been rushed and this would not be the first production error to have been made. In the US a company mixed the ingredients of two different vaccines, resulting in lost production. It happens.

Well done to the person that spotted the Moderna contamination and flagged it as a potential problem.

44% is good. That should mean all vulnerable and elderly people who can be vaccinated, have been. Now crack on and get the figure to the point where cases can rise without filling hospital wards with severely ill people.

7 ( +15 / -8 )

None of the vaccine contracts do, that is just a lie promoted by antivaxxer groups

Really?

https://z3news.com/w/pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-indemnification-agreement/

https://hiddenhandnews.com/pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-indemnification-agreement/

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/what-is-indemnity-for-vaccine-makers-what-pfizer-govt-say-about-it/ar-AAKDoob

These were the first 3 results of a DuckDuckGo search for "Vaccine indemnity clause". There are literally 10s of thousands of results, including veritable scions of corporate media. For msn news to even suggest a problem with Big Pharma vaccines is alarming.

7 ( +15 / -8 )

@virusex

At least in Australia and the UK, the vaccines have NOT completed usual trials. They have been approved under EMERGENCY legislation. Doctors and Pharma companies have been indemnified so no-one left to sue

8 ( +12 / -4 )

I asked my friend if she had reported her fever after her second shot of moderna and she had not. She did not seem to think it was important. I expect quite a lot of people do that. She also had severe joint pain. A bit scary to hear this story and I hope it does not turn out that the deaths are related to the vaccine.

As for reporting deaths and the stats that depends on the country and even the people doing the numbers in the country. The UK has three different sets of number the ONS, PHE and NHS. ONS are the ones mostly used and they made the decison (quite properly) to include all deaths where covid is mentioned on the death cert as first or second reason. Doctors list all causes but do tend to list them in order of importance (although they can list them how them want). To include the first two does give a robust number that can be tracked over time but also gives a higher than actual number.

Sadly when the numbers were reported the logic was missed out and the UK media just made out that the UK government was somehow doing a worse job than Europe. That is why comparing different countries is so difficult because you have to compare quaility of statistics and that is very varied. I think the ONS made the right statistical decision. As for road accident covid deaths those numbers come from PHE in the UK and that is a defunct entity now.

6 ( +7 / -1 )

@Dennis711

The USA is nearing 700,000 thousand deaths from covid. Now those who are dying are unvaccinated.

How do you know that? The CDC has pointedly refused to release any data on the number of fully vaccinated people getting infected, getting severely ill due to Covid and dying from the disease. In Israel that isn't the case.

-1 ( +11 / -12 )

The USA is nearing 700,000 thousand deaths from covid. Now those who are dying are unvaccinated.

Very tragic.

Most of the deaths happened before there were vaccines.

Now, we have a choice. Hopefully people will make an informed one

0 ( +8 / -8 )

“It doesn’t matter how safe you say a vaccine is - if you are openly wishing death on people who don’t want it, then they’re not going to trust you. Saying that unvaccinated people don’t deserve medical care does not sound rational or scientific. It sounds murderous and unhinged.”

8 ( +14 / -6 )

Get Educated.

Be informed.

Agree.

Be well-informed.

4 ( +7 / -3 )

There's one thing that antivaxers say that could be indisputably true though and that is pharma is big business and the one single most important thing is profit.

And that is why pharma companies are competing to make the best product possible.

If you think they are gonna release products that they know do not meet acceptable standards then you are positively insane.

-8 ( +3 / -11 )

Find the problem, fix it, report it and carry on with the vaccinations. This is a war and mistakes will happen.

-8 ( +2 / -10 )

@joffy

Everyone will get delta eventually, or perhaps some more advanced variant. Just hope that you don't get a serious infection.

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

Had my first jab appointment booked for early September but will likely cancel. It is all about personal risk assessment

I agree.

The only thing I worry the most about is being able to travel without the vaccine. The way the U.S. is going, some big cities are requiring vaccine passports to di anything. With this current government, I worry that I won't be able to go home if they make a nationwide mandate/law for vaccine passports.

6 ( +7 / -1 )

After my second Moderna jab my lower back was so sore that I could barely manage in the shower. My son briefly had chest pain after his. It is known that the Moderna second jab may cause heart inflammation in young men and I imagine could cause death if there was an unknown pre-existing heart condition.

6 ( +9 / -3 )

MODERNA is fine.

This particular batch was tainted they said. It’s the particular company in Spain who made it for them where this came from that is being investigated.

-8 ( +5 / -13 )

Moderna is a one product company-the vaccine is experimental!

2+2=

2 ( +7 / -5 )

How can you call something a vaccine that doesn’t prevent you from getting the virus nor prevent you from transmitting the virus?

it’s basically a preemptive therapeutic because you think you might get sick in the future.

like taking an aspirin now for a headache that might come next week or putting on a contraceptive now and wearing it all week In anticipation of next week’s meet up.

2 ( +9 / -7 )

Bronco

that one was AstraZeneca caused by a blood clot to the brain. She was receiving medical treatment and they couldn't get to it. Sad

7 ( +7 / -0 )

And the reasons to get the hastly made vaccine just keep stacking. I'm just wondering how will our in-house big pharma shillers will excuse this.

Those who died most probably would've been better had they not taken that thing, all the people I know who have had corona told me that they have had worse colds.

2 ( +6 / -4 )

Those who died most probably would've been better had they not taken that thing, all the people I know who have had corona told me that they have had worse colds.

The dead surely can't tell you otherwise

3 ( +6 / -3 )

How can you call something a vaccine that doesn’t prevent you from getting the virus nor prevent you from transmitting the virus?

It does, just not perfectly. You may want to investigate a little about other vaccines, this is not such a rare case as you believe. Thinking that since a vaccine makes people not have the heavy complications do not mean it actually prevents vaccinated people from getting infected, or completely abolish transmission from them.

All vaccines for infectious diseases are preventive therapeutics, that is what a vaccine is. Anybody with some knowledge about biology can understand how vaccine can be effective long after they have stopped being present in the body.

Those who died most probably would've been better had they not taken that thing, all the people I know who have had corona told me that they have had worse colds.

Crystal ball arguments are terribly weak, the reality is that being vaccinated reduces the risk for anybody for whom the vaccine is indicated, specially because the deaths have not even been related to the vaccines. What if one person died in a traffic accident? how would not taking the vaccine improve hid odds?

-10 ( +3 / -13 )

This and tragedies like the death of Lisa Shaw are the reason why vaccination must be a personal freewill choice without coercion, penalty discrimination or criticism.

4 ( +8 / -4 )

We don’t know this to be true.

Healthy people die right after getting vaccine but it’s immediately claimed vaccine had nothing to do with it.

But obese people or old people die. It was Covid, not that they were old or weighed 200kg.

because the deaths have not even been related to the vaccines. 

9 ( +13 / -4 )

Nearly every day a famous person who is vaccinated gets COVID.

so certainly hundreds if not thousands of regular people same thing.

how do we have more cases the more people that get vaccinated?

3 ( +10 / -7 )

Taked still now has not revealed what it is inside the vacination, which is strange to me bec they have many labs and are able to analyse easily what kinds of the material. It should be experdited so that other victems would not occur!

5 ( +6 / -1 )

Healthy people die right after getting vaccine but it’s immediately claimed vaccine had nothing to do with it.

False, what is claimed is that it may not be related, for which an investigation is necessary.

But obese people or old people die. It was Covid, not that they were old or weighed 200kg.

When obese or old people die in much higher rates if they are infected with COVID than not, then is when it becomes obvious their deaths are related to the infection.

This and tragedies like the death of Lisa Shaw are the reason why vaccination must be a personal freewill choice without coercion, penalty discrimination or criticism.

This as two deaths that have not even been related to the vaccines? also you have made clear that other people can be forced to act according to science to prevent risks for others, but only as long as you personally don't share their beliefs, having double standards completely defeats the idea you want to push.

-7 ( +5 / -12 )

The best solution here is to set a deadline to give everyone an opportunity to be vaccinated. When that deadline is over, we can all go back to normal. If people would still die - with our without the vaccine - then that's just it!

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

The vaccine was not the problem. It was the fault of the company. If you want to destroy somebody for this deadly mishap, then go after the company, not the vaccine.

The vaccines are not the problem. The vaccines are the solution. If everybody just sits back and says they're not going to get vaccinated, then things are going to go from bad to worse.

Get vaccinated!

-6 ( +4 / -10 )

The people who died would be far better off if they had not taken the vaccine.

At this point, it's clearly a lie to say "the vaccines are safe"

2 deaths and youve come to that conclusion?, thats what investigations are for to keep fools from believing speculation as fact

-4 ( +5 / -9 )

NHK is reporting that the two deaths came from batches that we NOT part of the recall.

They took a batch of Moderna considered "safe"

5 ( +7 / -2 )

I expect the investigation will not find any link between the vaccine and these two deaths, as with the previous 1,002 post-vaccine deaths, which you can read about at NHK (Japanese).

4 ( +5 / -1 )

The incredible ignorance and inability to read and comprehend a simple news article completely amazes.

There is no factual evidence linking the two deaths to the Moderna vaccine.

A reading of scientific, peer-reviewed articles by scientists and health care professionals, journals of virology and immunology - alongside: Lancet, JAMA, New England Journal of Medicine - reveals that the vaccines are safe and efficient.

The manufacture of the vaccines employ techniques that have been proven over decades - research has been ongoing regarding the applicable science and applied as appropriate to the particular virus(es).

The rabid nonsense, repeated from biased sources, which have no grounding in fact, let alone science, speaks to a less than rational ability to comprehend basic tenets of science, let alone realize the difference between obviously fabricated falsehoods and scientific fact.

1 ( +6 / -5 )

Wow, the anti-vax is strong in this group. Do people really believe that any government would give there own people something they know will kill or make them very sick? The USA is nearing 700,000 thousand deaths from covid. Now those who are dying are unvaccinated. Please stop the spread of misinformation, it's killing people. Just because you didn't die from playing Russian roulette doesn't mean it's a safe game to play.

This needs to be repeated.

-3 ( +5 / -8 )

Not getting the vaccine does not guarantee you getting Covid.

Everyone will get delta eventually, or perhaps some more advanced variant. Just hope that you don't get a serious infection.

Everyone.

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

contaminated moderna vials from the same factory were confiscated at a vaccination site for SDF soldiers and also airline company staff.

if you were going to attack with a bioweapon that self replicates and sheds, the military tasked with protecting the nation, and people breathing in recycled tainted air on an airplane then fanning out across the entire country, are ideal targets.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

The ministry said the cause of death was still being investigated and "currently, causal relations with the vaccinations are unknown".

Correlation does not imply causation.

Anyone stating in the comments that the vaccine caused these deaths is premature.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

Both men had a fever a day after the vaccine, both died two days after the fever started. Two men in their 30’s. There is a lot of hypocrisy posted here by the usual culprits. This is looking pretty obvious in this case, there’s poor men were not elderly, these men were young and died the same way. Yet, they see no connection and have no concerns.

If a 90 year old dies of cancer or old age and happened to have even traces of Covid it is called a Covid death in many countries. Does nobody see the contradiction here?

-1 ( +7 / -8 )

The VAERS incident rate for all these warp-speed developed vaccines is off the scale, compared to traditional vaccines. People have to decide if they want to take the risk. What is indefensible is the government propaganda to push mass-vaccination through, especially for young people.

2 ( +6 / -4 )

Apparently so i read anyway that almost 9000 people have died after receiving the Pfizer vaccine so moderna is still popular.

But personally i don't know what to believe anymore concerning the vaccines .

Its tiresome .

1 ( +3 / -2 )

bobcatfish

These vaccines have been rushed through without going through normal testing and approval. Governments have indemnified doctors and the pharmaceutical companies. Opponents are ostracised and risk losing their jobs.

Clearly this is all at the behest of the soon to be arriving occupants of interplanetary most extraordinary craft.

Err, no. Unless you want to call the UN Agenda 2030, the CCP, and the WEP "Great Reset" an "interplanetary craft".

-2 ( +3 / -5 )

Dennis711

Wow, the anti-vax is strong in this group. Do people really believe that any government would give there own people something they know will kill or make them very sick?

Your trust in "any government" is touching. In the real world, governments everywhere have a long history of making disastrous mistakes. And where do you get the idea from that all governments know what they are doing?

0 ( +6 / -6 )

Not sure they can get the payout. Do they have to prove vaccine at fault is my question. Look it up

However, some who fear that the prevention might be worse than the disease may be swayed by a recent report that the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare will award a lump sum of 44,200,000 yen to the surviving family of any person who dies as a result of the COVID-19 vaccine and even cover funeral costs up to 209,000 yen.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

https://tv.gab.com/channel/redvoicemedia/view/vaccine-blood-analysis-under-microscope-611d6446228ef8d06df1f551

"people who have already been vaccinated do not want to know exactly because they would then have to face their own truth and wrong decision."

these 4 german doctors are putting their reputation, careers and safety on the line to tell you what they've observed in the blood of the vaccinated. it's not just in germany, doctors around the world are baffled by what they are finding happening to blood cells. most are too afraid to speak out.

if you don't know what blood cells look like, that's not what blood cells look like.

the problem is that these are not side effects, everything is operating exactly as it's been designed to do.

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

Your trust in "any government" is touching. In the real world, governments everywhere have a long history of making disastrous mistakes. And where do you get the idea from that all governments know what they are doing?

It's definitely more plausible that the vaccine is a multinational conspiracy by the same evil cabal that brought down Tower 7.

1 ( +3 / -2 )

@FFsteve

The situation needs to be investigated before anyone can conclude anything. It is possible that both men had a condition that had yet to be found by a doctor.

It is not clear to me if these men have had an autopsy and maybe the were cremated without one. If that is the case then the only thing anyone can do is look at both cases and all the medical information they have.

It would also be useful to check on everyone who had a vaccine from these batches and ask them if they had any similar symptoms. As they should know who these people are and they should have a contact number it really only takes a few people sitting in a room and calling them up with a specific set of questions.

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

Nator

I agree it needs to be looked into urgently. I’m just concerned that the usual suspects here are deciding in advance there is no connection. The prime concern is the age of the men, the same symptoms and the same end result after having the same vaccine.This alone should be a call for immediate action by the authorities.

0 ( +5 / -5 )

The problem is, it is easier to prove the vaccine definitively caused their deaths than it is to definitively prove it didn't.

If it is officially announced the vaccine caused their deaths there will be a lot of people (on here and elsewhere) saying "told you so" and there's not much to come back with - congratulations.

On the other hand, it's unlikely the government/news will report definitively that the vaccine was not the cause and even if they do, the people here will say they can't trust the gov/news anyway and by which time the damage will already have been done (sewing doubt in the minds of the undecided).

For these people there is just no way to falsify the view the vaccines are dangerous and speculation like this, although newsworthy, unfortunately, is on their side. It's a lose-lose situation.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

if you don't know what blood cells look like, that's not what blood cells look like.

We’ve had people here claiming they know the truth about building 7 based on high school physics classes and others claiming to have read half the books written about WW2.

Please give us your informed opinion on this.

0 ( +3 / -3 )

If you're healthy make sure you do your research before you get the jab.

4 ( +8 / -4 )

It’s just that it’s the opposite of how the calculated Covid deaths.

guy died in car accident. Found to have Covid in autopsy. Determined as Covid death. He must have been impaired to drive by the virus.

people die right after vaccine. Immediately it’s NO didn’t die from vaccine! must have been some other reason. “Under investigation” and will never hear of these results, ever.

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A few days ago, Lisa Shaw, a journalist with the BBC died after getting her vaccine.

She was 44, healthy and with no underlying conditions. She left behind a child.

What is going on here?

She died in May. It was the coroner's inquest that concluded a few days ago. Her death was due to blood clots on the brain. The coroner concluded, "Lisa died due to complications of an AstraZeneca Covid vaccination."

The blood clot issue from the AZ vaccine was raised a while ago. A number of countries paused giving the AZ vaccine. In the UK, they stopped giving it to younger people (under 50s I think). The BBC reported this a few days ago:

*The clots are considered extremely rare - there have been 417 reported cases and 72 deaths - after 24.8 million first doses and 23.9 million second doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK.*

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guy died in car accident. Found to have Covid in autopsy. Determined as Covid death. He must have been impaired to drive by the virus.

Except for the important pint. There would be no autopsy in a car accident. They are usually only constructed by the police when a crime is suspected as in murder. The family must give their permission for an autopsy.

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Deaths might not be related to the vaccine, but is has already been over 1000 deaths in Japan after vaccination.

Investigations are done but none of the deaths can be correlated with the jab. I can not believe than not even one death is vaccine related. Government and vaccine companies do not want to take responsibility

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Fine. Whatever word you want to use for when they examine the body after death by a medical person. who found he had Covid and marked it as cause of death.

it was common to die WITH Covid not FROM it in those days. But when someone takes a vaccine and dies, total different way of counting.

There would be no autopsy in a car accident

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people die right after vaccine. Immediately it’s NO didn’t die from vaccine! must have been some other reason. “Under investigation” and will never hear of these results, ever.

All I hear too is oh well, they died of natural causes, even when they are healthy and in their 30s.

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Yeah even the one that was proven above it’s just “oh that? So rare....”

72 people isn’t “rare” when you talking about dying for no reason from a vaccine for a virus they didn’t have.

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