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Shoot it with water canons!

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Japan seems to always being on the edge. Japan needs to get the crab out of their rear. What happened is in international waters and any country can go there. Japan has nothing to complain about.

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All of these countries buy their stuff from the same companies, just pick up a brochure at the next arms fare.

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and?? I was waiting for the punchline on this story more than a schoolyard he said she said..

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"Japan seems to always being on the edge. What happened is in international waters and any country can go there. Japan has nothing to complain about."

It has nothing to do with Japan being on edge. ANY country in the world would react negatively to a military helicopter from another nation coming -- unannounced and uninvited -- to within 70 meters (226 feet) of their ship. That's really close, by any standard.

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Amnazingly ignorant comment sfjp330. But then, just another typical Chinese act of provocation.

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LFRAgain at 08:46 AM JST - 8th March. ANY country in the world would react negatively to a military helicopter from another nation coming -- unannounced and uninvited -- to within 70 meters (226 feet) of their ship. That's really close, by any standard.

The incident will make life harder for those in the Japan goverment who want to ease the military pressure on Japan-Chinese relations, and easier for hardliners to argue their case. For both countries the incident and the many other incidents that have occurred recently are reminders that the time is long overdue for an agreement to regulate military operations.

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this is unheard of! I'm scared and shocked by these actions

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Just another act showing how really scared China is of Japan. Sort of like a bull terrier 'not' being scared of the neighbors cat.

He said the helicopter did not violate Japanese airspace, but it appeared to be filming the destroyer.

So the problem is what? Is there a law saying you can not video destroyers?

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helicopter belonging to China’s State Oceanic Administration

How does this equal "a military helicopter from another nation"?

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So the problem is what? Is there a law saying you can not video destroyers?

Try getting that close to any US warship. See what happens.

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Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite. grow some, defense force?!?

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Guess I'd have to agree with Japan on this one. This does seem like an un-necessary provocation on China's part. As woundedsamurai said, China already knows all of Japan's warships and their capabilities. So what was to be gained by this? I just hope these incidents, which seem to be increasing in frequency, don't lead to someone making a tragic mistake and over-reacting to a similar provokation in the future.

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stop complaining. just do the same to china's warships and force them to create the international incident.

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lol

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China is now getting a bit cocky because they have superior economic powers?

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get use to it. you know all those american spy planes flying out from japan spying on chinese every day every night?

now you get a taste of your own medicine.

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Imagine if the helicopter would've crashed for some reason, how much China would be blaming Japan for the incident? SMH

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Try getting that close to any US warship. See what happens.

Try getting that close to a Chinese warship and see what happens. If the roles were reversed in this story the outcome would certainly not be the same. My point is that Japan only jump and down and protest and do nothing else. China knows it and the rest of the world know it. China will continue to push the envelope until it falls off the table...and japan will still be protesting.

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Shoot it down and say it was interfering with military duties or whatever. Everybody does it.

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Just light it up like a Christmas tree including using the ultra high powered radar emitting EM pulses that would fry half of their circuits. If they complain just tell them that we warned you (which JSDF repeatedly did) and tell them that they are doing field tests on their radar. PRC will have no way to protest against JSDF actions. For good measures record every communication between the helicopter and put it on youtube if PRC lodges a protest.

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The intent could be a provocative, indeed. I doubt the chopper approach itself is a problem however. These things (approach, overfly, escort, ets.) seem to happen often in international waters (and sky). Probably - some references by JT to the relevant international laws would be interesting.

Remember just another, much more serious case which was dealt calmly: "On 9 October 2000, two Russian aircraft, a Su-24 Fencer and a Su-27 Flanker, overflew Kitty Hawk at about 200 ft (61 m) of altitude." The official response from Clinton administration: "In neither case did the [Navy] feel that any protest was warranted, and, therefore, no protest was made to the Russians."

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Given that the ship and helicopter where in international waters and the helicopter was 70 meters from the ship what is the big deal. It was not a naval helicopter and by the Japanese own admission appeared to be filming them so what is the issue (or maybe what have the Japanese got to hide). Didnt Japan also complain last year when a Chinese helicopter buzzed a navy ship in international waters.

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titian,

Good example of a rational response to what happens the world over. I think this just goes to show not only does the Japanese military and government want to control what happens in its own waters and airspace (which is their right) but now they want that extended to international waters too.

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@titan There it also shows lack of information on how the US navy responded against the Russian fighters that were probably pishing in their pants with multiple lock-on signals and live missiles targeted against them. Neither Japan nor in the case of the US have any right to lodge a protest as much as the helicopter being shot down by accident because the ship was taking counter measures against a potential threat has. The door swings both ways.

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The point is that this occurred in international waters and it involved a non-military aircraft unlike the incident last week with the Chinese Y-8 spy aircraft.

Provocation or not, an incident like this is 'nothing' compare to what Taiwan pilots faces everyday, when they are locked on by Chinese fighter jets. The Japanese defense ministry likes to whine about incidents occurring in international waters, when their neighbor Taiwan faces incursions by the Chinese and the threat of annhilation daily.

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what have the Japanese got to hide

Oh dear. Spare us your speculations.

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bicultural,

"Oh dear. Spare us your speculations." what exactly did l speculate on? all l asked was why are the Japanese so worried if they are getting filmed in international waters. I think it was a legitimate question

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AdamB and Samuraiblue:

Thanks for comments, you mentioned very relevant points. And there is an e-mail circulating in Naval circles regarding the Russian flyby over the USS Kitty Hawk. Not sure about the lock signals obtained by Russian jets - if my memory is correct, Russian media reported that they were playing with some electronic countermeasures.

*"Anyways, 40 min after the CO called away the alerts, a Russian Su-27 Flanker and Su-24 Fencer made a 500 knot, 200 foot pass directly over the tower...it was just like in Top Gun, shoes on the bridge spilled coffee and everyone said,"Holllllllly ***!".

*I looked at the captain at this point and his face was red. He looked like he just walked in on his wife getting **** by a Marine. The Sukoi's made 2 more high speed, low altitude passes before we finally launched the first aircraft off the deck...an EA-6B Prowler!"*

But, again, I was trying to say that this was a good example about the international standards of how to deal with such situations. Not the same as the current case with the Chinese chopper.

Moderator: Stay on topic please.

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If the Japan were a bit more transparent with her military spending, then the Chinese helicopter doesn't have to fly so close to take pictures.

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@oberst

Holy gee wizz. Making assertion that Japan not being transparent in military spending is like calling a pot calling a spotless plate black. Tell me exactly where are the slush funds for JSDF being hidden? Really give me a break.

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Imagine if the helicopter would've crashed for some reason, how much China would be blaming Japan for the incident? SMH

Oh, the merry-go-round of Japanese-Chinese relations. In that case you'd see a hundred flaming Japanese flags around large Chinese cities, and shills will be back on JT.

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@adamb, I'm sure you're aware of the recent activities of Chinese military in the past 2-wks, including in the Philippine waters, South China Sea (big story in Vietnam recently).

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jruaustralia,

Very aware of the Vietnam incident, an anti piracy exercise occured in an area that numerous countries lay claim too. The exercise occured in an area that falls outside Vietnams UNCLOS exclussion zone so l dont see why they should be getting upset. I do admit the Chinese are getting more aggressive of late and this is causing these issues however is the actions of the Chinese any different to that of the US or Russia over the past decades?

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With or w/out FM Maehara, this is the year to watch. Heads up and stay alert. Heh, heh, I got info.

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Very aware of the Vietnam incident

Good on yah =/

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Latest on South China Sea from Bloomberg:

China reasserted its sovereignty over the South China Sea following protests from the Philippines and Vietnam last week following separate incidents in the disputed waters.

"China holds indisputable sovereignty over the South China Sea," Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Jiang Yu told reporters in Beijing today. "China seeks to solve disputes with friendly consultation with other countries."

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CON'T.

China claims most of the South China Sea as its own and has resisted signing a set of rules.

Philippines President Benigno Aquino on March 4 said his government formally protested to China after two boats harassed an oil exploration team in the contested area. Vietnam objected to Chinese counter-piracy drills near the disputed Spratly islands, it said in a Foreign Ministry statement.

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jruaustralia,

So the Philippino's are complaining that their drilling ship was harassed in an area claimed by several countries. Ok so if several countries claim the area why where they drilling there sounds like they where being provocative themselves and when it turned pear shaped they complained.

As for Vietnam, they claim the Spratlys as their own and have illegally occupied and fortified some of the islands and have caused a fair share of issues so they arnt in a position to complain to loudly.

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So the Philippino's are complaining that their drilling ship was harassed in an area claimed by several countries.

Dear AdamB, as you know oil explorations are normally done by private companies-- in the Philippines, as far as I know, same as in other regional countries-- these activities are conducted with several intl oil companies that may include Japan, Netherland or British interests.

Indeed, protests may be taken only by the govt, but let me assure that the hand of free enterprise is alive and well in Asia. Perhaps are our idea on Asian companies are different, but that's the fact in nations like the Philippines where the state are pretty much offloading their commercial interests.

As for Vietnam, they have the right to protests. Afterall these 'ships' used are 'warships' not 'patrol boats'. Anti-piracy exercises you say, you must be kidding =/

so if several countries claim the area why where they drilling there sounds like they where being provocative themselves and when it turned pear shaped they complained.

What a try-hard attempt to show your knowledge of the issue-- but for people who do have a serious take on South China Sea, remember Johnson South Reef where in 1988 Vietnamese troops died as a result of an escalated naval exercise.

It's not an issue that could turn 'pear-shape' (good grip!) to those who do know the recent history of Southeast Asia.

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If I know my Asian amigos, they all hate China, have never trusted China, will never trust China, just look what trust got for the Tibetans, for the Uirghurs etc..all Asians know NOT to trust China, this is NOT American PROPAGANDA, the only countries that do have so called good relations with China are the DPRK, North Korea for non politico types, and Myanmar, I guess we can not forget about Pakistan, but they are just there for China to balance power against India, so if our Chinese amigos think that the FILIPINOS, no such thing as Phillippinos dear Adam, the FILIPINOS, Vietnamese etc..have all been fighting to keep their independence from CHINA for thousands and thousands of years, sure many Chinese live in the Philippines, Vietnam etc..but that does not mean they love each other.

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A quick look at a map of the south China Sea would indicate that the majority of the territory is between Vietnam and the Phillipines. With a bit in the south being close to Malaysia.

Under any sensible arrangement, the south china sea and the east china should simply be carved up based on closest proximity to perminatly inhabited land.

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Under any sensible arrangement, the south china sea and the east china should simply be carved up

I'm afraid East Asian trade would suffer under such 'sensible' agreement, and Asia's reputation of adhering to a liberal maritime system would lose credibility.

We all know which country in Asia is trying to dominate South and East China Sea. This should stop once and for all.

End of story.

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chinese is hard to understand, i Like its culture,Food & Language But i just don't trust its Government. NO one will attack them, but they Build their military & prowl everywhere in Asian waters. the chinese want "Respect" they are gonna have to Earn it First!

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@raymasaki: China is under threatened by the US/Japan alliance and Chinese were fighting the survival she deserved to have! America has B-2A bombers were to launch nuclear raid at Chinese cities anytime! Those Pentagon warmongers were eager to wage wars......The Chinese chopper near that japanese vesssel was Japanese provocations under Pentagon commands! If they never stalking Chinese ship first, those flying warning was not necessary!

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@samuruiblue,

It was in jest as a " play " about yesterday's news " Japanese wants more transparency from Chinese military spending............... LOL

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@jruaustralia:We all know which country in Asia is trying to dominate South and East China Sea. This should stop once and for all........ And this is definately not a dominance of South China sea,instead it was an active'self defense measures' fighting for a nation's survival. Those Pentagon hawks deploying Stealth bombers in Guam, that was the real threat of peace and prosperity If Australia was under this kind of presisitence nuclear threats will do something in response as well, please considering people of China has to rights to exist as well!

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Japan scrambled fighter jets last Wednesday when Chinese warplanes approached nearby disputed islands...............Those survellience plane were not alone,if they were harmed, some 'awesome' consequences will follows!

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And don't forget to thank all those ignorant and or uncaring American Walmart shoppers who have helped build up China's military over the years, so China can increasingly harass and intimidate their neighbors.

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The United States is NOT a threat to China. China IS a threat to all of her Asian neighbors. It is they who want the US military presence to counterbalance the growing Chinese military threat. The US and it's Asian allies are not a threat to China, but an obstacle to China's expansionist agenda.

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And this is definately not a dominance of South China sea,instead it was an active'self defense measures' fighting for a nation's survival.

Are the Chinese threatened by Vietnamese fishing boats, do you think? LoL

East and South China Sea doesn't belong to one nation-- not China for sure however Beijing insists and demands with its phony historical evidences.

Asian reputation of adhering to a liberal maritime system should not lose its credibility simply because the Chinese--right now-- wants to divert people's attention from inflation within China and calls for change within its own borders.

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dragon1commisar at 12:54 AM JST - 9th March Japan scrambled fighter jets last Wednesday when Chinese warplanes >approached nearby disputed islands...............Those survellience >plane were not alone,if they were harmed, some 'awesome' consequences >will follows!

Wrong, they were alone. And when challenged they did not enter Japanese airspace and simply left.

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the chinese want "Respect" they are gonna have to Earn it First!

Just wait for a Chinese to find a loophole with that rule-- oh wait, blame American warmongers!

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The US or any Asian country is or was never be a threat to China. But China attacked India, vietnam, and occipied many Islands and claiming many more from other Asian countires.

if US was not here with Japan, China will take half of all Asia as their land.

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realmind at 01:56 AM JST - 9th March. The US or any Asian country is or was never be a threat to China. But China attacked India, vietnam, and occipied many Islands and claiming many more from other Asian countires. if US was not here with Japan, China will take half of all Asia as their land.

You have a short memory. What happened to Japan during 1931-1945? Japan was not a threat to China? What happened to U.S. Gulf of Tonkin incident in Vietnam? The Gulf of Tonkin Incident, in 1964, was a major turning point in U.S. involvement in Vietnam. U.S. actually provoked these attacks by supporting South Vietnamese commandos operating in North Vietnam and by using U.S. warships to identify North Vietnamese radar stations along the coastline of North Vietnam.

In Late 1870's, Drought and monsoons afflicted much of China, southern Africa, Brazil, Egypt and India. The death tolls were staggering: around 12million Chinese and over 6 million Indians in 1876-1878 alone. The chief culprit, was not the weather, but British and European empires, with Japan and the U.S. Their imposition of free-market economics on the colonial world was tantamount to a cultural genocide.

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What China is doing on the long run makes perfect sense, it wants to achieve regional hegemony. The idea is to have China provide defenses for rest of the Asia instead of the current global hegemon, the US.

The cry and whine about China's "aggression" is stupid and petty, because anyone with any brain can see that military power doesn't mean all that much nowadays (see how much superior firepower has helped with Iraq and Afghanistan). Influence over another nations can easily be applied in different ways other than the military. China's real strength is its market and its using this advantage to influence other nations. No matter how much people hate China, neighboring countries like Korea and Japan depend on China to keep out of recessions. The western markets are already saturated while the Chinese middle class is still growing at a fast rate, this means growth for everyone. This is exactly the reason why India will eventually be a big deal as well.

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jruaustralia at 04:11 AM JST - 9th March. The topic is this: at x-hundred hour a helicopter belonging to China’s State Oceanic Administration came within 70 meters of a Japanese destroyer patrolling near a disputed area.

If you didn't know, every country plays cat and mouse game. There is no agreement between China and Japan on how military behaves in international water. What makes U.S. any different in international waters? U.S. has been doing same for long time.

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At x-hundred hour a helicopter belonging to China’s State Oceanic Administration came within 70 meters of a Japanese destroyer patrolling near a disputed area. "

And so what? It's not like US spy planes don't patrol the Hainan Island area, even after one collided with a Chinese jet fighter.

"No that doesn't make perfect sense and it'll only trigger an arms race in Asia. "

It would trigger an arms only if the US continues to insist on its global hegemon status to "protect allies" across the globe (much of it with money borrowed from China nonetheless). Japan can't match China, is anti nuke, and depends on trade with China in order to pull itself out of economic slump so it's unlikely they will even try. If US gives up then most likely these countries will simply ally with China.

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What makes U.S. any different in international waters? U.S. has been doing same for long time.

Knowing your history on this forum you'd insist whatever comes out of your head-- so don't consider this as me trying to win an argument, esp. with you.

But what's the United States' gotta do with this one?

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China9000 said: "It would trigger an arms only if the US continues to insist on its global hegemon status to "protect allies" across the globe (much of it with money borrowed from China nonetheless). Japan can't match China, is anti nuke, and depends on trade with China in order to pull itself out of economic slump so it's unlikely they will even try. If US gives up then most likely these countries will simply ally with China."

You are pretty much reaching with your "blame USA" propoganda. As it has been evidenced numerous times, China is very provocative militarily, and they protect North Korea, one of their allis, just the same. That's pretty much the whole point of being an ally with some one, or some country. If you're not strong enough to handle your own business alone, then you ally up with someone as big, or bigger than your enemy. It's not like China's on any type of military buildup right? smh

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It's not like US spy planes don't patrol the Hainan Island area, even after one collided with a Chinese jet fighter.

Hainan Island incident, that happened in 2001? So what's that got to do with the incident off Japan?

Don't tell me Beijing got nothing else to do-- right now-- but match, not only American military superpower, but the wonders and blunders as well now that it's no. 2.

Surely, if the Chinese would insist for a Monroe Doctrine in Asia--the Maoists instead of the Americans!-- it should be resisted at all costs. (That btw was the same advise given by my Australian foreign minister, except I didn't used the word 'use of force')

NO, Australians are not oblivious-- at times they could just be more than frank.

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"Knowing your history on this forum you'd insist whatever comes out of your head-- so don't consider this as me trying to win an argument, esp. with you"

My history on this forum? How difficult is it to check someone's posting history? I have only posted about 5 posts on JT what kind of history would I have? Not only are you weak in logic but tend to project as well. No I don't consider that you are trying to "win" an argument, only the stupidest people think that you can "win" arguments on the interwebs period. On the other hand I do find it entertaining to bash stupid people.

"But what's the United States' gotta do with this one?"

Did I just mention that you are weak in logic? In order to judge whether an action is outrageous wouldn't you first have to understand whether the said action is commonplace?

As I posted the big picture here is the fear that China will become a regional hegemon. I believe that the current trajectory that is the most logical outcome. You have yet to say anything worthwhile to counter my point.

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My history on this forum?

Here's another narcissistic troll. Btw, you're not the only poster in tow. R E A D!

You have yet to say anything worthwhile to counter my point.

Really, how about this one:

China was ''paranoid'' about Taiwan and Tibet, ''if everything goes wrong'' we must be prepared to use force against China.

Figure that one, and we'll see who has a weak logic =/

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jruaustralia at 04:11 AM JST - 9th March. The topic is this: at x-hundred hour a helicopter belonging to China’s State Oceanic Administration came within 70 meters of a Japanese destroyer patrolling near a disputed area.

What would the Japanese SDF do if Chinese naval ships decide to enter the disputed waters? Arrest them?

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Actually, I think if china showed up with a real naval presence in the Senkaku/Daiyo area, a really big ship named after Mr. Lincoln or Mr. Washington would show up as well.

Yes, there is a Us role here, and Hillary defined it.

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A significant problem arises because of disputed waters. Most countries claim an economic exclusive zone EEZ of 200 nm around their coast. However if 2 countries are closer than 400 nm then surely the midpoint should apply.

With Japan and China this rule should apply, Japan seems happy with this arrangement but China does not, it in fact claims up to the end of the continental shelf.

It is this continued unresolved issue which was at the heart of the chopper incident.

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China 9000 and sfjp330 you are talking like the paid cyber spies to counter any thing with a propaganda war.

your each wards reflect the arrogance and the plastic mind set of Chinese communist self justification strategy.

This is a chinese saying never admit falt but die for justifying it. You people just follow this in this 21st century. Remember we all Asian countries and not stupid or not a colony of China. Your market is good for you and Japan and other countries to help you to feed your poor people for decades. Now you bite hands which were feeding you. No country even NK will never say that they want China as their foster parents in Asia.NK and South Korea will unite soon.

China better change your policy other wise Egypt will happen to you soon... No matter how much you people try to stop...

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The Chinese keep setting themselves up for a global PR flop with their repeated antics...

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"China was ''paranoid'' about Taiwan and Tibet, ''if everything goes wrong'' we must be prepared to use force against China."

I don't get how this is supposed to counter anything which I have wrote so far. China is paranoid about Taiwan and Tibet. Why wouldn't it be?

Who are "we" here? The US which is borrowing more and more money from China each year? Sure that makes a lot of sense, only to the dumb4sses. As if adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan aren't enough burden on US taxpayers already.

Think for moment, just why would China even NEED to invade when it can use its economic leverage to influence? Isn't that what is happening? All of this talk about invasions/protections are BS fantasies created by defense industry to extort taxpayers money, the Chinese military included. Only idiots would buy this cr4p. Nations with nuclear powers will never go to a full scale war with each other because it would ensure the end of this planet.

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"China 9000 and sfjp330 you are talking like the paid cyber spies to counter any thing with a propaganda war. your each wards reflect the arrogance and the plastic mind set of Chinese communist self justification strategy."

WTF is "communist self justification strategy"? Bad Japanglish? Kimchiglish? LOL.

"This is a chinese saying never admit falt but die for justifying it. You people just follow this in this 21st century. Remember we all Asian countries and not stupid or not a colony of China. Your market is good for you and Japan and other countries to help you to feed your poor people for decades. Now you bite hands which were feeding you. No country even NK will never say that they want China as their foster parents in Asia.NK and South Korea will unite soon."

The hilarity ensues. Who said anything about colonization? I don't think Asians are stupid in general but judging from what realmind had posted so far I would say that he is pretty stupid.

Oh, NK and SK will not unite soon. The people who fear this union the most is not China but SK, Japan, and the US.

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"If you're not strong enough to handle your own business alone, then you ally up with someone as big, or bigger than your enemy. It's not like China's on any type of military buildup right?"

That's the whole point of global hegemony isn't it? When you ally with someone really big you end up becoming more dependent, and thus eliminating chances of you going onto the war with that ally because the military strength are completely lopsided.

The US has been a global hegemony for the last couple of decades. China aspires to challenge the US only in the region for now. While the US has plenty of ideology rhetoric, military strength, and some goodwill going behind it, it's power is on the wane while China is on the rise. Countries which embrace China can ensure better trade relationships with China, the trade off being certain retaliation from the US. Currently it makes little sense to ditch the US for China because there are plenty of differences between these powers, but if the current trajectory continues that may change in the next decade.

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jruaustralia,

"Hainan Island incident, that happened in 2001? So what's that got to do with the incident off Japan? "

Yet a few hours earlier you are citing an incident that occured in 1988. Anyway if all else fails you can lower yourself to putting people and their opinions down like you tend to do.

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This article says there was No Violation of anybodies air/sea space,But I suppose we've all come a long way,a few years ago china wouldn't have been caught dead in this kind of infraction,If they did I suppose Japan wouldn't have hesitated to take some action.Its a new day,I guess No country wants a war with another just for the sake,The Stakes are abominably high.Currently, middle eastern countries' internal tumults are reverberating world wide,A war this side ?I pray Never.

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The US has been a global hegemony for the last couple of decades. China aspires to challenge the US only in the region for now.

Oh yeah, how about this.... shoo!

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Why not bring this to UNSC?

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Aim an LRAD at it, like the whalers do at the Sea Shepherd helicopter.

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Aim an LRAD at it, like the whalers do at the Sea Shepherd helicopter.

Can't wait for the China shill to embrace the SS LoL

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"This is coming from someone who thinks he speaks for the Chinese."

I do? Care to tell me why you think so? I don't recall using the term "we" all that much in my writings, or to indicate that I speak for anyone else other than myself. You and the lolcow on the other hand..

"Are you saying me that everytime you catch Beijing, it'll be a lesson in history?"

No, I am "saying you" that kettle calling pot black is a not healthy way to think, because it makes you look like a hypocrite. Of course, it's little wonder that you are against others mentioning history because history is the enemy of all sorts of hypocrites; without history you wouldn't even know that you are a hypocrite.

"The Americans have been a global hegemony for the past decades and now that China's no 2, it's alright for Beijing to duplicate the wonders and blunders of American military might?"

Why wouldn't it be good for any country to duplicate the wonders of another country? The blunders, not so much. When China decides to station hundreds of thousands of troops all across the world, while fighting 2 other wars on foreign lands, then China deserves to be bashed as a warmonger just as much as the US is getting bashed now.

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US influence in Asia needs to be limited. It needs to be limited simply because it relies too much on China for trade, and the Made in China brand could one day bite Americans back, therefore jeopardizing and compromising the security of Asian countries including Japan.

One thing is for sure, if Beijing won't even listen to GEITHNER when it comes to the yuan, why would anyone in Beijing listen to GATES when it comes to the East and South China Sea.

For Asia, when bargaining with the Chinese, sticking together is the key. Multilateral engagement to ensure that seas in our region don't belong to one nation should be the forefront of inter-regional diplomacy in East Asia.

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jruaustralia at 04:19 AM JST - 10th March US influence in Asia needs to be limited. It needs to be limited simply because it relies too much on China for trade, and the Made in China brand could one day bite Americans back, therefore jeopardizing and compromising the security of Asian countries including Japan. One thing is for sure, if Beijing won't even listen to GEITHNER when it comes to the yuan, why would anyone in Beijing listen to GATES when it comes to the East and South China Sea.

If you look carefully, they are listening to Geithner. Take look the the exchange rate from last summer at 6.82 per dollar, and now at the strongest point in years at 6.56 yuan per dollar. The trade limit will not happen because the lobbyist in U.S. controls the direction of the trade politics. U.S. companies and the U.S. goverment prefers free trade. Today, over 50 percent of trade inbalance with China is attributed to U.S. corporations investment in China led by Walmart, McDonalds, KFC, Apple wanting to maximize profits. Unless there is a direct tariffs of approximately 25 percent on each product that enters U.S., the trade deficit will remain about the same. The Japanese companies in China are in a same situation with annual bilateral trade of $250 billion. If Japan also limits trade with China, there will be a mass chaos and depression in Tokyo. In a business world, you do not want drastic change but a healthy gradual transition. The high labor cost increase, exchange rate, and inflation in China will have natural change in supply and demand business plans. Some of the companies will be forced to move manufacturing operations outside of China. This will happen soon.

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If you look carefully, they are listening to Geithner.

If you google carefully, type in 'geithner' and 'yuan'-- you might come up with these results.

Geithner points to China yuan spillover to others (20.02)

China may deflect pressure with smaller trade surplus (Today's)

China's currency: an unanswered question (Yesterday's)

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If Japan also limits trade with China, there will be a mass chaos and depression in Tokyo.

I doubt that-- very much =/

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jruaustralia at 07:15 AM JST - 10th March. If you google carefully, type in 'geithner' and 'yuan'-- you might come up with these results.

What is your point? Geithner reiterated that there was still some way to go in the steady appreciation of the yuan. You don't expect changes overnight.

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World powers by nature are greedy and imperialistic. Britain was, the USA is and China is well on the way to being so.

Extreme nationalism is an extremely divisive and dangerous quality. This situation does not bode well for east asia, or for that matter africa and anywhere else. It seems sad that mankind rarely learns from thousands of years of bitter history, but instead seems destined to repeat them.

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Moderators: If you won't allow "Monroe Doctrine in Asia with our Maoist cousins in the lead", please don't allow "US hegemony" on this thread. Thanks =/

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Both sides should go to the negotiation table for a peaceful settlement.

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The Ship should have fired off one of the C-RAM's on the sides of the ship, and watched the Chopper DIP when this CLOD looses grip on the STICK, cuz he just ---t in his pants.... Maybe THAT would teach them.

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