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Typical bad management by old men in the Japanese government. They have had so long to prepare for this and only seem to be working out now how to distribute it.

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As vaccination against the virus could begin as early as March in Japan

I dont expect it before summer.

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As vaccination against the virus could begin as early as March in Japan, 

that seems really late, considering UK is doing it now, and the US and Canada are expected to start in the next few days.

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that seems really late, considering UK is doing it now, and the US and Canada are expected to start in the next few days.

But for Japan its faster-than-light speed, usual regulations and requisites for approval mean products have to be used overseas for years before being approved here.

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@Monty

As vaccination against the virus could begin as early as March in Japan

I dont expect it before summer

I would totally agree as things happened always delayed around here compared with the rest of the world.

However with the Olympic obsession, it will probably start no later than March, when the final decision for the Olympics is being made.

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As long as the vaccine hasn't been made by Japan, I'm all for using it.

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@virusrex

"Many therapeutic mRNA have been already tried in humans, some of them vaccines, not being traditional is not the same as not being effective, not being already tested or not being a real vaccine."

That is an absolute misinformation, mRNA vaccines has never been successfully introduced to the population.

"mRNA vaccines are considered risky because the technology is still new"

"There has never been a successful mRNA vaccine before, but studies show they can elicit immunity against flu, Zika, rabies and coronavirus"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/mrna-vaccines-what-they-are-and-how-they-work/ar-BB14uSTc

Once again it has been proven that virusrex's opinions are biased and/or not factual.

I for one would never trust what he writes regarding vaccines.

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As long as the vaccine hasn't been made by Japan, I'm all for using it.

I think that seems to be the consensus here on this site

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As vaccination against the virus could begin as early as March in Japan

Don't get your hopes up for this. Japanese government is requiring additional Phase 1 and Phase 2 Japanese studies for approval.

Just take a look at the more politically connected AnGes vaccine's development schedule. Japanese government would want the domestic vaccine to get the most sales, despite testing it only on 500 patients for its pivotal trial.

There have been multiple anti-vaccine, especially anti-foreign vaccine news articles on major news sites such as Yahoo News to promote the Japanese vaccine. They are claiming that Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are unsafe, and higher efficacy = worse safety, and claiming that Japanese vaccines have traditionally been safer.

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/7b58e3723e6024336413e127cb6c7b3ce70a5416?page=2

I personally would not be trusting a Japanese vaccine that is only being tested on 500 people vs. 30,000, and have enough political connections to push it across the approval line regardless of efficacy.

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But for Japan its faster-than-light speed, usual regulations and requisites for approval mean products have to be used overseas for years before being approved here.

They also have to be tested domestically before being sold here. The irony is that a lot of the people upon whom drugs are tested are non-Japanese.

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@Dman

"Well IMO even though these pharmaceutical companies have done clinical trials for these vaccines, I still think that it isn't finished yet."

You can say that again!

According to Pfizer's website their Phase III clinical trial is still n going and will continued for two more years!

In the US they will issue a vaccination card to every person who has been vaccinated so they can be tracked for side effects for two years.

In effect every single person taking this vaccine is a quinea pig for big pharma in their mRNA trial.

And without any risk to them as indemnification would come from governments not form the pharma companies.

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Is it the made in China version too? Have fun with that guys.

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Reservation system for anything that is in limited supply would be best.

When I need vaccinations, I call my local health department and .... guess what .... MAKE A RESERVATION. I pass on information so they can look up my current situation and suggest boosters I may have forgotten, in addition to any specific shots to protect me during upcoming travel in the next few years.

The first time in this state, I had to make multiple trips a few weeks apart because my records were 30+ yrs old and I needed some new vaccines that didn't exist in my childhood, every booster available, and a few special vaccinations not normally given to people here. Some required multiple doses and, due to cost, they didn't open the dose vials until enough patients were lined up.

I still drop 1-2 tears from some of those arm shots. The Mighty Mouse bandaid does help, however. ;)

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Japan: "ohhh let's hold off such a big event for the predictable (March - April) season so that it can be a "memorable" event! People love that kind of special feeling!"

Rest of the World. "Is it ready? Start it up."

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The Pfizer vaccine has not been tested on enough Asians to know what the reactions and side effects might be. About 8,000 people according to reports when something like 40,000 minimum is needed.

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The thing about this disease is that if you are under 50 and in good health, the risk of serious damage is very low. If there is one chance in a 1000 that the vaccine will do damage, you are better off not taking it. Folly therefore to be taking a vaccine that has been rushed onto the market.

The whole thing is like the 1976 Swine Flu episode. Former president Ford pushed the vaccine. The company that produced the vaccine got ridiculed before Congress for refusing to introduce it into the market unless they got immunity, which turned out to be very wise. The disease never spread, and a small number of people who took the cure ended up dead. The cure was way more dangerous than the disease.

The lethality of covid-19 is remarkably low for people who are already in good health. The vaccine can very easily be more dangerous than the disease.

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Government moves slow in Japan. They study everything to death before deciding. I don't see prioritization of heathcare workers, nursing home patients, comorbidity cases, and elderly. Maybe they will do that, otherwise it might be a free-for-all like the Olympic tickets were. Hope it happens before too many precious lives are lost.

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Is this vaccine properly tested?how abt if things will go wrong...who will bear full responsibility?

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March? Need to keep that GoToTravel going....Big Resorts are raking in the money

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I wouldn't mind knowing if I have the anti-bodies already. Maybe (like Madonna) I already got Covid-19 and didn't know it early this year and I have the anti-bodies.

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I’ll put good money on, in a month or two, some countries and airlines will require travellers to have been vaccinated. The fact that Japan is dragging it’s heels means those of us living here will be subject to even more travel restrictions. You wait and see, foreigners entering Japan will need vaccination and impossible proof in the form of a ridiculous piece of paper required by the government, as well as the pre departure PCR test and impossible proof, and the spit test on arrival. Even though you won’t be able to get the vaccine here.

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That is entirely not true due to something called antibody-dependent enhancement which essentially means that a person increases their chances of getting a virus after getting the antibodies (as with a vaccine).

Read my reply to another person making this same mistake. Antibody-dependent-enhancement do not increase the chances of getting a virus, it increases the chances of getting a more serious disease, BUT for this it is required to have reactive antibodies that are not neutralizing. These non-neutralizing antibodies are produced when the pathogen have several serotypes. SARS-CoV-2 only have one. So there is no realistic possibility for this to happen, and we know it because the infection is always much more likely to cause it than the vaccine, and that is the same for Dengue.

The dengvaxia information is also misleading, first, who do you think raised the alarm? a brave journalist? a rogue health official? no. It was the epidemiology department in charge of vigilance working for the company that made the vaccine. Because that is his role. The vaccine also protects naive patients from serious disease against 3 or the 4 Dengue Virus serotypes, it does produces antibody dependent enhancement against the forth serotype, but even that is less likely than if a person had the previous 3 infections. It still keeps people safe, just not to the degree necessary for approval. It cannot be approved for use in non infected people in places where all 4 serotypes are co-circulating (like The Phillippines) but anybody that already have the 4th serotype infection can be vaccinated without that risk.

These included severe fatigue, headache, chills, vomiting, diarrhea, muscle and joint pain. Whether these conditions represent instances of pathogenic priming, identifying individuals who are now at higher risk of serious morbidity and mortality if they become infected with SARS-CoV-2 is unknown, but given past studies, seems likely.

Misleading, incorrect information. Percentages are specifically avoided to hide the fact that the adverse effects are presented in less than 1% of the people in either group, also the last sentence quoted is simply bogus. There is no evidence that any of the described side effects primes the people for a more serious disease when infected, on the contrary the phase III results would indicate exactly the opposite, since they had enough people presenting adverse effects but without serious disease.

Your problem is relying on information presented by an organization well know for lying in order to manipulate people, for them twisting the information is not a careless mistake but the way the always do things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Health_Defense

"According to an analysis by NBC News, the group is one of three major sources of false claims on vaccination shared on the internet, the other two being the fake news site Natural News and the website Stop Mandatory Vaccination"

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Yeah, most people know wikipedia is biased

But if you cannot demonstrate the multiple references are false then it is a huge lot better than the site it is described, where everything written can easily be demonstrated as false. It becomes ironic how people choose to defend a site that have routinely lied against another, where proof is only listed, without even trying to demonstrate the references are false.

But there is yet no data regarding improvement of survival, and there is no data on the long term effects of the vaccination. We don't know if serious side effects will pop up a year or more after the vaccination.

That is another mistake born from not knowing about the scientific data. Natural infection have plenty of data about problems that elevate very importantly the risk for long term disabilities, no such data has ever appeared for vaccine volunteers. That means that yes, there is data that points to the natural infection is much more likely to produce side effects in the long term than the vaccine. Until those problems appear for vaccine candidates it can validly be said that the vaccine is safer, both in the short and in the long term.

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@AG

it will probably start no later than March,

That would be nice! Let us hope for it...

And I hope that after the vaccination, life goes back to almost normal.

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i'm not brainwashed. I'm open minded on this subject.. I'm asking you to post a link to some proof that its a 'fake vaccine' as you are claiming.

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Because two health workers in the UK had anaphylactoid reactions after receiving the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine, the UK's medical regulatory agency has said that the vaccination should only be given in facilities that have the necessary resuscitation equipment on the premises. Are "gymnasiums, event venues and shopping malls" going to be provided with such equipment when they start vaccinations here?

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It's dire to maintain mask and distancing measures for the first few months of the vaccine rollout.

We're going to have reckless people who think they'll be instantly immune following the jab, and even more reckless people who will pretend they got the vaccine as an excuse not to wear masks.

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The Pfizer vaccine can cause sterility in women.

Or it can give people flying powers, eternal life or an extra arm...

I mean if the "possibility" is nonsense and has been already debunked by the abundant evidence from the natural infection you might just make up random effects, they are all as likely.

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The Pfizer vaccine has not been tested on enough Asians to know what the reactions and side effects might be. About 8,000 people according to reports when something like 40,000 minimum is needed.

Sampling requirements are heavily dependent on the background of the things to be tested. Are people of Asian ancestry presenting more complications from the natural infection? is there any evidence of higher percentage of problems in any of the hundreds of clinical trials using other kinds of mRNA? is there any specific interaction that is suspected could be of important but only for Asians?

If the answers are all "no", then there is no special need for requiring a high number of testing done on the specific population, you could do the same for blood types, HLA groups, genetic lineages, etc. but there is no real point on it,

Wait , I don't think I understand the need for adding a priority based on reservation time.

Isn't it easier to compile lists based on exposure (hospitals), age (65+) and medical conditions (cancers , heart diseases etc..) ?

There is not enough information to be sure but it there is a lot of people on the priority lists, health personnel and hospitalized patients can be immunized in their hospitals without much trouble, but everybody else would immediately swamp services trying to get the vaccine immediately, which would increase the risk of getting infected while doing it.

The most logical option would be for people that are in a high risk group and want to be vaccinated to call first, have their case checked by a doctor quickly to make sure they should be vaccinated and be given a reservation, so nobody would have to wait in line for long time. Hopefully enough places would be prepared so doses can be distributed quickly and people would not have to travel far from their houses to get it.

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That is an absolute misinformation, mRNA vaccines has never been successfully introduced to the population.

Why quote something if you are not going to read it? I did not say they were introduced to the general population, but that they "have been already tried in humans", which is completely true, go to clinicaltrials.gov and search for mRNA, you will get hundreds of references for trials using it for multiple purposes, each reference is for a group of volunteers.

Trying to modify an argument into a strawman is not so effective when you copied the original one so your fallacy becomes quite obvious. Next time try discussion something I actually wrote and not your mistaken idea about it.

I expect many (most?) people will already be immune by the time they start administering the vaccines.

And most of the experts that know something about the topic say your expectations are not realistic for this year.

Ah, we're finally talking about the "vaccine" (which it isn't. A vaccine contains either a pathogen, or a disabled pathogen.) 

No it does not, it can contain something derived from a pathogen, using an imaginary definition is not an argument enough to say a word have a different meaning.

Vaccine

*a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.*

Your badly made definition would exclude also classical vaccines made from purified proteins produced in vitro or the Tetanus vaccine which is not a pathogen.

By the way, that doesn't mean only you. It means your offspring, in perpetuity. So, how do they accomplish this feat? Glad you asked:

No, mRNA is not how they do it, an enzyme, reverse transcriptase is the one responsible for the integration, you could have endless amounts of viral mRNA in the cell but without the enzyme there is no reverse transcription ever being done.

Try understanding what you reference, half reading something and getting a wrong idea can be even worse than not reading it on the first time. If you really have such a big trouble understanding this you can ask, there is no shame on ignoring it, shame is in pretending you do when it is obvious you have no idea.

@virusrex: We do not need your pseudo-knowledge. your name @virusrex demonstrates perfectly that you are a PRO-VACCINE for obscure reasons and not incline to accept another way of thinking.

vaccine worshipper Amen...

Pseudo-knowledge is evident when you cannot defend your mistakes with real arguments. If I can demonstrate you are wrong and you can only reply with ad-hominems then it is obvious who is the one that knows nothing about the topic.

The thing about this disease is that if you are under 50 and in good health, the risk of serious damage is very low. If there is one chance in a 1000 that the vaccine will do damage, you are better off not taking it. Folly therefore to be taking a vaccine that has been rushed onto the market.

By definition an approved vaccine would lower the risk in any person included in the target population. So you are better taking it. Your hypothetical situation is not real. And no it is nothing like the like the 1976 Swine Flu episode, testing is appropriate and complete, following the same schedule of other already approved vaccines, so no, scientifically it can be proved that the vaccine is not more dangerous than the disease. If you think differently you need the data to prove it.

According to Pfizer's website their Phase III clinical trial is still n going and will continued for two more years!

That is phase IV, not III, and its the normal procedure for everything. Phase III is used to demonstrate is safe enough to use it on the population, IV is to keep a vigilance to corroborate things are as expected.

Is this vaccine properly tested? how abt if things will go wrong...who will bear full responsibility?

If the testing is done as it is supposed then the responsible of putting it in place in the first time, usually the government. If there was something undue and companies cheated then they are the ones that will assume full responsibility.

All vaccines are continuously tested by the government to make sure the second possibility do not happen.

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@virusrex Today 12:33 pm JST

Fair enough, as long as there is someone on site trained to deal with such reactions and with the necessary equipment. (I don't know about Japan as I've never been vaccinated here, but in the UK vaccinations are usually performed by nurses, though they do have to have been trained in anaphylaxis management.)

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A Wikipedia link Virusex? “Wikipedia is…broken,” controlled by special interests and bad actors, says co-founder | Sharyl Attkisson

Sure, ignore completely the many references to proven lies that are in your source. It is not wikipedia that says that your source is terrible, is the whole world wikipedia is just a linked collection of evidence about it. Of course now you will say everyone in the world but you is on this superconspiracy that controls everything, except the source that you like, that should be considered reliable and truthful. even when it lies repeatedly.

Sorry but you've been downplaying the warnings, serious adverse events, and dangers from the beginning and pushing vaccines as the ONLY OPTION.

No, I have been clarifying misleading, false information that people brought here, If your only way to prove your point is to use false information it is necessary for you to reconsider that very likely what you believe is also a lie. Or you would do it if you were honest and trying to find the truth.

You think anything I have demonstrated as mistaken or false is actually true? then why cannot you simply prove ti? again, this should make you think.

There is no indication whether antibodies against spike proteins of SARS viruses would also act like anti-Syncytin-1 antibodies. However, if this were to be the case this would then also prevent the formation of a placenta which would result in vaccinated women essentially becoming infertile.

Fortunately this argument can be easily discarded as nonsense, because there have been literally millions and millions of people that have developed antibodies against the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, and there has been no description of problems derived from it. If the natural infection, that produces levels up to millions times more proteins is not enough to cause problems, then the vaccine is a million times less likely to do it.

The main point is that analogs are not exact copies, and they are also not antigenically the same, if that were the case it would be impossible to detect antibodies against the spike protein in most of the infected people because those epitopes would be already recognized as "self" by the immune system. The reality is that as antigens both proteins are easily recognized as different, so no realistic probability of the described problem exist, and every expert can easily reach this same conclusion.

Again, try to find better sources, you are being manipulated by incorrect information trying to disguise a safe and effective health measure against a pathogen that can be lethal.

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The state will carry the liability for the vaccines but don't never expect to win any cases if brought. Just think Minamata disease.

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Untested new rna vaccine that contains nano particles with information to trick cell dna to produce a protein...good luck with that human test...I will watch and trust my own immune system..

The vaccine has been properly tested, and nanoparticles with information to trick cells (not their DNA, study better the process) to produce a protein is a perfectly good description for a virus. Like the ones used in the the weakened vaccines.

Gald to see another healthy brain not brainwashed by virusex!!! in our immune system, we trust!

Sorry if it was too easy to demonstrate your beliefs were mistaken and you were just repeating false information from a lousy source. As before, personal attacks against other users are also against the rules here, they also make too obvious that you have no arguments to properly defend your mistakes.

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JeffLee: "that seems really late"

They haven't even talked about forming panels to discuss making groups to talk about who should form the head of a task force to form a circle to talk about thinking about it yet. You want them to move faster?

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Does it mean first reserved first served ? How will this work ?

Wait , I don't think I understand the need for adding a priority based on reservation time.

Isn't it easier to compile lists based on exposure (hospitals), age (65+) and medical conditions (cancers , heart diseases etc..) ?

Something isn't right about this! Am I reading it wrong ?

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I think GoToTravel is one of the safest things to do before and after the vaccine starts being used. There are absolutely no humans in any of my photos. Not sure where the 50,000,000 that supposedly have used it have visited, but no places I have been, and we are heading for our 8th trip the first week of January for another week.

Washing hands, and masks are a given, The vaccine after being issued a few months later will make places crowded again.

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A Wikipedia link Virusex? “Wikipedia is…broken,” controlled by special interests and bad actors, says co-founder | Sharyl Attkisson

https://sharylattkisson.com/2019/05/wikipedia-is-broken-controlled-by-special-interests-and-bad-actors-says-co-founder/

Sorry but you've been downplaying the warnings, serious adverse events, and dangers from the beginning and pushing vaccines as the ONLY OPTION.

Again, if 'they' are paying you to put food on the table for your family then it's your choice (cause that's all you're doing all day long (Where in the world do you get all that time to reply other than to be employed to do so) - looking for ways to downplay the dangers and find ways to discredit new information). I could not in good conscience do what you do if even if they paid me well. Good on you.

I'm sure you're going to find a way to explain Pfizer's COVID19 Vaccine issue with pregnancy and fertility:

Dr. Michael Yeadon, the former head of Pfizer research, filed a STAY OF ACTION with the European Medicines Agency, together with Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, and he warned them about the potential effects of this vaccine on fertility, as he wrote that the experimental Pfizer COVID vaccine is:

expected to induce the formation of humoral antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. Syncytin-1 (see Gallaher, B., “Response to nCoV2019 Against Backdrop of Endogenous Retroviruses” – http://virological.org/t/response-to-ncov2019-against-backdrop-of-endogenous-retroviruses/396), which is derived from human endogenous retroviruses (HERV) and is responsible for the development of a placenta in mammals and humans and is therefore an essential prerequisite for a successful pregnancy, is also found in homologous form in the spike proteins of SARS viruses.

There is no indication whether antibodies against spike proteins of SARS viruses would also act like anti-Syncytin-1 antibodies. However, if this were to be the case this would then also prevent the formation of a placenta which would result in vaccinated women essentially becoming infertile.

To my knowledge, Pfizer/BioNTech has yet to release any samples of written materials provided to patients, so it is unclear what, if any, information regarding (potential) fertility-specific risks caused by antibodies is included.

According to section 10.4.2 of the Pfizer/BioNTech trial protocol, a woman of childbearing potential (WOCBP) is eligible to participate if she is not pregnant or breastfeeding, and is using an acceptable contraceptive method as described in the trial protocol during the intervention period (for a minimum of 28 days after the last dose of study intervention).

This means that it could take a relatively long time before a noticeable number of cases of postvaccination infertility could be observed. 

Latest CDC stats - Updated Infection Fatality - Survival Rates for COVID19:

Parameter Values vary among the five COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios.

CDC Scenario 5: 'Current Best Estimate'

AGE GROUP - INFECTION FATALITY RATE - SURVIVAL RATE

0-19 years old - 0.00003% INFECTION FATALITY RATE 99.997% SURVIVAL RATE

20-49 years old - 0.0002% INFECTION FATALITY RATE - 99.98% SURVIVAL RATE

50-69 years old - 0.005% INFECTION FATALITY RATE - 99.5% SURVIVAL RATE

70 years old - 0.054% INFECTION FATALITY RATE - 94.6% SURVIVAL RATE

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Olympic athletes and their assistants to be excluded and prioritized, of course.

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3-4 months before starting to vaccinate. Very slow rollout. Priority people should be vaccinated first.

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It Covid19 testing in Japan can't be conducted on a large scale I fail to see how vaccinating can be.

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no mRNA vaccine has been approved before in the history. it is not a traditional vaccine as you know.

Many therapeutic mRNA have been already tried in humans, some of them vaccines, not being traditional is not the same as not being effective, not being already tested or not being a real vaccine.

mRNA vaccines, in contrast, trick the body into producing some of the viral proteins itself. They work by using mRNA, or messenger RNA, which is the molecule that essentially puts DNA instructions into action. 

NOT vaccine, DNA reencoding technology!

You are terribly mistaken, study more your nucleic acids. The DNA is untouched, no change, no reencoding, the viral mRNA is added in the cytoplasm by the vaccine and the cell takes it temporarily as if it were a product copied from the DNA, that is all. After a few days nothing of that mRNA remains, the DNA is never touched for anything.

This is the same procedure the virus do to make the cells produce viral proteins, just in a much safer and controlled way. According to your mistaken idea every attenuated virus vaccine (including the first one!) would not be a "real" vaccine, because that is precisely their mechanism of action.

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More info reported on Pfizer's vax:

*'*What You Can Expect From the COVID-19 Vaccine

*Dr. Eli Perencevich, a professor of internal medicine and epidemiology at the University of Iowa Health Care, has suggested essential workers should be granted three days of paid leave after they're vaccinated, as many will feel too sick to work.*

*A December 1, 2020, CNBC article, which looked at the frequency of adverse reactions, noted that *10% to 15% of participants in the Pfizer and Moderna trials reported "significantly noticeable" side effects.

*Buried way down at the bottom of the article is a suggestion from a past advisory committee member, who proposes the nomenclature of "serious adverse reaction" be changed to "immune response," so they can reprogram how people think about these side effects, even if they end up having to stay home from work because of them.*

*The article also admits they have no idea what, if any, long-term reactions there might be, which means (as we already knew) that this is a great big public health experiment and, of course, anything that happens post-marketing will be labeled a "coincidence."*

*An October 20, 2020, article9 in the Observer lists the known side effects that have emerged in the various trials. *Chills, fever, body aches and headache are the most commonplace, but at least two cases of transverse myelitis -- inflammation of the spinal cord -- have also occurred.

Even the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warns that the vaccine's side effects are "no walk in the park,"10 and Saad Omer, director of the Yale Institute for Global Health, has stressed the need for a broad-based outreach campaign to discuss the reality of side effects, as patients might not come back for the required second dose if the side effects take them by surprise.

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The Pfizer vaccine can cause sterility in women and must be stored in special freezers. With all these "advantages" compared to the alternatives, you wonder why anyone would choose the Pfizer option.

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Untested new rna vaccine that contains nano particles with information to trick cell dna to produce a protein...good luck with that human test...I will watch and trust my own immune system..

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A guy I know who works for a mega pharm told me March was decided a due to the olympics. If immunity due to the vaccine is shorter than predicted, it will still be enough when the olympics arrive in July.

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DmanToday  08:14 am JST

How much does it cost though? Or is it free for all including foreign residents?

it’s free to all residents

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It is good news, even if it feels late compared with other countries, the last paragraph is specially important because I have heard it is one of the choke points that could lead to waste and lost time.

@Divinda

That is entirely not true due to something called antibody-dependent enhancement which essentially means that a person increases their chances of getting a virus after getting the antibodies (as with a vaccine).

The ADE theory was already discussed two replies above yours. Nothing you said contradicts why it could not be observed for this coronavirus.

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Specific data collected on the Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine trials:

"Solicited serious adverse events — 10-fold increase on second dose in ederly, compared to 3.6-fold for those under 55

Among the 18-55 year-old participants, there were 370 solicited serious adverse events (SSAEs) in the vaccinated group and 73 in the unvaccinated. Of the vaccinated, 18% experienced SSAEs; in the placebo group, only 3% did, implying that SSAEs can be expected at a rate five times greater in the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated.

These included severe fatigue, headache, chills, vomiting, diarrhea, muscle and joint pain. Whether these conditions represent instances of pathogenic priming, identifying individuals who are now at higher risk of serious morbidity and mortality if they become infected with SARS-CoV-2 is unknown, but given past studies, seems likely.

In the over 55 group, which was a smaller group, there were 60 SSAEs in the vaccinated group and 24 in the unvaccinated. Of the vaccinated, 6.5% experienced SAEs, compared to 1.4% in the unvaccinated, implying a 4.46% increased risk overall of SSAEs due to vaccination.

However, in the older group, the vaccinated group was 10 times more likely to have a SSAE upon receipt of the second vaccine dose than the first dose compared to the 1:1 ratio in the unvaccinated. In the younger group, the vaccinated were only 3.61 times more likely to have second-dose SSAEs than the age-matched placebo group, which had about as many SSAEs in the first and second dose."

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Yeah, most people know wikipedia is biased. And many of us are also aware of the bias in the MSM. This is especially true for issues related to Big Pharma, and they very heavily sponsor the MSM (and researchers and various agencies).

Anyway, if we take the 20-49 years old's 0.0002% infection fatality rate. That number MIGHT be reduced to an even smaller number by vaccination. But there is yet no data regarding improvement of survival, and there is no data on the long term effects of the vaccination. We don't know if serious side effects will pop up a year or more after the vaccination.

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Quote: “As vaccination against the virus could begin as early as March in Japan...”

The other day I posted here that on the J TV news a doctor suggested April, but depending on how things were going in the UK etc., they might start earlier, in March maybe. I got a whole raft of negative votes. Not sure why.

-4 ( +3 / -7 )

I wouldn't mind being vaccinated if it means that there will be no complications. Until then I'd rather wait for more results. But if push comes to shove then I'd definitely take it. All we can do for now is boost our immune system and follow protocols. It has worked for me so far so why won't it work for anyone else? Remember that prevention is still better than cure.

-4 ( +8 / -12 )

If it is not Chinese, Russian, or Eastern European made, I am in line.

-4 ( +9 / -13 )

Tommy Eddy KookaburaToday  01:42 am JST

Untested new rna vaccine that contains nano particles with information to trick cell dna to produce a protein...good luck with that human test...I will watch and trust my own immune system..

Gald to see another healthy brain not brainwashed by virusex!!! in our immune system, we trust!

-4 ( +2 / -6 )

Good news that will have some kind of appointment system, bad news is that it’s not until March - far too late.

-5 ( +9 / -14 )

I am ready to bet with anyone that, below headline will be the most popular one from 2021 to 2022.

Japan to begin COVID-19 vaccinations

Unfortunately, if Takeda - Novavax collaboration (which will make Japan production base) doesn't succeed within one-two months, it will be hard to obtain the vaccines before EU or US populations during 2021.

-5 ( +5 / -10 )

@Chico,

I would presume it will be covered, or at least subsidised by Japanese Health Insurance.

Whatever the cost, I want it ASAP.

-6 ( +8 / -14 )

Regarding questions about cost it was on the news some time ago that the vaccine will be free to all residents.

-6 ( +8 / -14 )

If it is Chinese, Eastern European, or Russian made and being used in japan, I will wait a year before getting vaccinated to make sure it is safe.

I think my spouse and I had it already after a trip to Taiwan for a few weeks last winter in December. I believe my antibodies are up.

-6 ( +7 / -13 )

Great discussion glad I took a peek today.

Well one side really isn't, but it's necessary so it's all good

-7 ( +5 / -12 )

If vaccines are so safe then why has the vaccine compensation board, HRSA, paid out 4.4 billion dollars in compensation since 1988?

Because they are made to simplify the process so no proof of responsibility is necessary to make a claim. Any person that was vaccinated and had some problem can apply, and unless the problem can be categorically excluded (like autism) then it is not necessary to prove the vaccine is responsible, damages will be paid. That is a price the government is willing to pay to protect a safe and effective health intervention for the benefit of the public.

For most people the corona virus is not more dangerous than the seasonal influenza.

And it becomes even less dangerous if vaccinated, else the vaccine would not be approved. You can try to deny this as much as you like, without scientific data to support that it is just your uninformed opinion.

Have you ever heard of Antibody-dependent Enhancement?

Yes, it requires at least two serotypes of the virus to even be possible (not even likely). The textbook example is Dengue Virus that has 4 serotypes.

SARS-CoV-2 has a grand total of one serotype identified in the whole time it has been infecting people, if you understood what ADE was you would have understood it is not possible to have ADE for COVID-19 or its vaccine. That is why it has not been observed in patients, nor in vaccinated volunteers.

Soldiers who received the influenza vaccine had a higher chance of contracting the corona virus.

That is a false misinterpretation of the results of the study (which by the way has absolutely nothing to do with antibody-dependent enhancement). According to the authors "Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population" Again, why present a reference that you have not even read yourself? it is very different to find a higher percentage of other pathogens different from influenza after vaccination (because, well, that is the purpose, not to get sick from influenza) another completely different is that the total number of cases increased between vaccinated people.

Or as the authors say themselves.

"Therefore, the results of this study cannot and should not beinterpreted to represent any sort of relationship or association ofinfluenza vaccination receipt and COVID-19 illness"

Not all vaccines are safe and I for one wil never take the mRNA vaccine for corona.

People are free to take irrational decisions, you have no data to prove this vaccine is less safe than the natural infection, your lack of knowledge and prejudices do not make your decision logical, they only make it yours to take. Nobody can force you to choose the better option, that does not mean your beliefs make it the worse.

You don't understand the role of reverse transcriptase, you dont understand the differences between phase III and IV clinical trials, you don't understand what ADE is, and it is trivially easy to prove the little you know about all of this is wrong, but still you want to use this demonstrably wrong knowledge to make a decision, that is not smart, but you are free to do it.

-7 ( +9 / -16 )

@virusrex

By definition an approved vaccine would lower the risk in any person included in the target population. So you are better taking it.

That is entirely not true due to something called antibody-dependent enhancement which essentially means that a person increases their chances of getting a virus after getting the antibodies (as with a vaccine).

Its suspected to happen with coronaviruses, influenza, HIV, and dengue.

Why and how this happens is not entirely known, but there is no doubt, it happens.

Your hypothetical situation is not real. 

OK, everyone go look up the Dengvaxia controversy. It's a real situation of an "approved vaccine" which increased the risk of people in the target population for getting severely infected, and it was determined that they were better NOT taking it.

In this case, the approved Dengvaxia dengue fever vaccine was given to hundreds of thousands of children in the Phillippines, but it was later announced by the maker Sanofi Pasteur that they discovered their vaccine made people who never previously had dengue more susceptible to getting it, and getting an even more severe case to it that usual. Its also believed 600 kids died from the vaccine, but this is not totally clear. Its been banned in the Phillippines but is still "approved" for use in 19 countries, including the US and EU.

Oh, and this isn't some ancient situation. It happened in 2017. And the Dengvaxis vaccine went through years of development and trials. (BTW, the US approved it in 2019, after the whole Phillippines mess, but its only allowed for people who already had dengue previously in their life since its believed its OK or them).

Will this be the case with a COVID-19 vaccine? Nobody knows and won't know until much later.

-7 ( +8 / -15 )

Well,in this case by march is not really that late,in many western countries it will begin in January,so for J-standards be only two months behind the others it’s something remarkable.

Let us hope that within these months the common sense will prevail and people try to avoid things like Go To whatever and packed places.

-8 ( +10 / -18 )

I expect many (most?) people will already be immune by the time they start administering the vaccines.

What are you basing this on? Months ago you told us this virus was burning itself out.

Your sources seem to be leading you to totally off the mark predictions.

-8 ( +6 / -14 )

How much does it cost though? Or is it free for all including foreign residents?

-10 ( +4 / -14 )

There is not enough information to be sure ...

Indeed it is too early .

Now thinking about it, I suppose the reservation system could in theory implement some sort of fair allocation algorithm.

On the first read it felt like the system will add a new difficult to control variable "reserved" so it has some sort of mechanism to reject or schedule far in the future , but then when I asked myself why?; the need for complex priorities came like the obvious reason.

-10 ( +6 / -16 )

For everyone's peace of mind.

As long as the vaccination is not forced upon its people then it's okay.

People who don't agree should sign a voucher. And for the fortunate ones like the rest of us, it wouldn't be too bad if we wait for more results.

Funny how this reminds me of the Blue and red pill that Morpheus offered to Neo.

Damn if you, Damn if you dont.

-10 ( +7 / -17 )

@Stewart Gale: thank you !!!

-10 ( +4 / -14 )

The ministry said in addition to medical facilities, vaccinations should be carried out at public health centers, gymnasiums, event venues and shopping malls

Amazing how quickly the ministry can decide that gyms, shopping malls, event centres can be used for vaccinations so that Japan is all " safety " in time for the Olympics but in all this time ( almost a year ) they were mysteriously unable to decide on PCR test stations to be set up in those same gyms, shopping centres etc like so many other countries did. Wonder what the reason might be, hmm.

-11 ( +6 / -17 )

FiddlersToday  07:11 am JST

Typical bad management by old men in the Japanese government. They have had so long to prepare for this and only seem to be working out now how to distribute it.

the gov't didn't beforehand which vaccine would prove effective. so why would they buy all the extra freezers ahead of time? there was a very good chance that none of the vaccines worked. this actually wasn't bad management at all. more like typical lazy comments that always slander the gov't.

-12 ( +7 / -19 )

Is there something that I'm missing, like, how much will the vaccine cost? Will this be covered by insurance companies? What's the co-payment?

-12 ( +3 / -15 )

Children under 16 and pregnant women will not be vaccinated.

-13 ( +5 / -18 )

So many complain about it being late. Maybe they won't have any to offer until then, as it takes time to produce it in sufficient enough quantities to roll it out you geniuses.

Afaic, just stay home for another .5 years and do everyone a favor.

-13 ( +4 / -17 )

Enough with the AD-Hominems please. There is still so much to learn from this virus and the vaccines so I understand some are still pessimistic about it. Well IMO even though these pharmaceutical companies have done clinical trials for these vaccines, I still think that it isn't finished yet. But these are desperate times and this pandemic has already caused us so much.

-14 ( +7 / -21 )

I expect many (most?) people will already be immune by the time they start administering the vaccines.

I'm glad Japan is being a little more cautious than some other countries with these rushed experimental (for Pfizer & Moderna) vaccine. If serious side effects emerge I hope they will halt the program or at least inform the population.

why should you trust governments??

What! You think governments or Big Pharma could lie? Impossible I tell you... ; )

-15 ( +8 / -23 )

3 months till March, it's not late..

There are countries that must to wait till 2022..

Cut the drama, and wait for your early Japanese vaccine..

-16 ( +12 / -28 )

Bring it on. Do we get a badge to wear around our neck certifying we have been vaccinated so that we don't have to wear those useless masks?

-19 ( +10 / -29 )

Ah, we're finally talking about the "vaccine" (which it isn't. A vaccine contains either a pathogen, or a disabled pathogen.) I believe this is the greatest threat mankind has faced since Communism. First, let's read up on retroviruses:

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-microbiology/chapter/retroviruses-double-stranded-rna-viruses/

"Retroviruses are viruses that are able to reverse transcribe their RNA genome into DNA, which is then integrated into a host genome."

By the way, that doesn't mean only you. It means your offspring, in perpetuity. So, how do they accomplish this feat? Glad you asked:

"The virus itself stores its nucleic acid in the form of an mRNA genome and serves as a means of delivering that genome into cells it targets as an obligate parasite"

mRNA, huh. Fancy that.

-19 ( +6 / -25 )

no mRNA vaccine has been approved before in the history. it is not a traditional vaccine as you know.

mRNA vaccines, in contrast, trick the body into producing some of the viral proteins itself. They work by using mRNA, or messenger RNA, which is the molecule that essentially puts DNA instructions into action. 

NOT vaccine, DNA reencoding technology!

-23 ( +9 / -32 )

zichiToday  07:58 am JST

The Pfizer vaccine has not been tested on enough Asians to know what the reactions and side effects might be

this is the plan, you are just a guineapig with no rights. do you remember the cow with a serial number on its ear. Humans are not so different. do not touch this fake vaccine! period!

theResidentToday  09:08 am JST

@indigo: Fake vaccine? No. Fake news from you. Retract or post some proof.

post some proof that you are not brainwashed. no proof that this liquid is not harmful, do you remember trials in Japan over dangerous vaccines??????? do you know that humans are specialists regarding biological weapons??

-25 ( +8 / -33 )

-80 C cold ? That is even colder than ice cream. OMG, I will be frozen.

-27 ( +4 / -31 )

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