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Bring it on! After 2 years, I'm choking for a real pint in a real pub, and I want to be safe. Scrap the trials and let's get the vax-proof ball rolling now, nation.

-30 ( +32 / -62 )

more fantastic plans from the control freaks

18 ( +56 / -38 )

For now just a trial, next thing you know it will be required for everything, for shopping jobs, schools, public service and others.

40 ( +60 / -20 )

Hopefully it isn’t required as that would add more control methods that won’t be relinquished easy.

24 ( +45 / -21 )

It won't make a great deal of difference but at least its another step towards marginalizing the illogical anti-vaccine crowd. So I'm all for it.

No jab....no job.

No jab.... no flight.

No jab... no beer? Great!

-19 ( +35 / -54 )

It would expedite things if we just got a chip implanted in us at the time of our vaccination.

11 ( +32 / -21 )

@burning bush

No matter how hard you try, you aren't getting access to my body.

I bet you’d give them access to your body if you presented to the emergency room unable to breathe after catching COVID.

11 ( +46 / -35 )

Trials? We have an app here in Australia that connects all the dots. You just pull up the page and walk into anywhere, for those of us who are double vaxed, of course.

-7 ( +22 / -29 )

Not sure this is really fair to those who already had Covid, but still unvaccinated. Their immunity is probably better than those who are vaccinated, but never had Covid.

18 ( +37 / -19 )

Zichi- 99% of unvaccinated people will be just fine. Also, if you are vaxxed, what exactly are you worried about?

13 ( +38 / -25 )

For those of you worried about the imposition of needing to show your proof of vaccination, here's a handy guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4s280XhzJA

-16 ( +8 / -24 )

A step towards a fascist state where people have a severely limited freedom of movement. The governments are ignoring the obvious fact that the vaccines aren’t 100% effective in preventing infection.

15 ( +39 / -24 )

Our right not to have unvaccinated people sitting next to us n the beer hall.

I know 3 persons who are not vaccinated. 1 person can not take the vaccine because of health issues, the 2 other persons refused the vaccine.

I am working together with them from morning to evening, go to meetings with them and sometimes have lunch or dinner with them.

And you know what? I don't care anything that they are not vaccinated.

They are very nice, helpful and awesome friendly persons.

To not take the vaccine doesn't make a good person to a bad person.

So if a not vaccinated person is sitting next to me, what happens every day in my daily life, doesn't bother me at all.

If a real criminal would sit beside me, then that would give me an uncomfortable feeling.

But if an unvaccinated person is sitting beside me, I am totaly fine with that.

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14 ( +40 / -26 )

sakurasukiToday 06:47 am JST

For now just a trial, next thing you know it will be required for everything, for shopping jobs, schools, public service and others.

Let's hope so.

-21 ( +17 / -38 )

The governments are ignoring the obvious fact that the vaccines aren’t 100% effective in preventing infection.

Very far from preventing infection or death from Covid. Judging by what is going on in highly vaccinated countries, after 3 months the Big Pharma vaccines make one more susceptible to Covid infection. They keep telling us "90% of infections among the vaccinated are mild", ignoring the fact about 95% of infections were mild before any vaccines.

When they insist people who have natural immunity get vaccinated anyway, you know something more is going on than merely a public health campaign.

7 ( +23 / -16 )

This may be a short-lived measure, so everyone calm down. The case numbers are tiny now and the vax numbers are high. There is no reason to assume that winter will cause a new wave of cases or that proof of vaccination is of any medical benefit. If you are vaccinated, you should be OK even if you get it. If you are not, you should either take extra care or know that you are taking a personal risk. Severe infection numbers, with general vaccination use, should not be a problem. We need Covid to circulate and pass through the socially motile community, as only then will it go. There may be no medical point to vaccine checks. If they damage trade, I would expect the Japanese government to soon ditch them, as the British government have for England.

With no further lockdowns and vaccines, Covid is now passing through us and may go. Japan had Covid early and may see it go early.

One thing that has not been spoken of much is the possibility that Covid may have been around before Wuhan. It may have circulated in a relatively benign form before mutating in Wuhan and causing the first wave of deaths. This Variant Zero may have spread around Asia, incl. Japan, and offered a degree of natural immunity to later variants. Hence the lower death counts in Japan and Asia in general.

Or perhaps the masks work much better in reality than lab stats suggest. That would also explain low rates in Asia and high rates in the West.

This winter, flu may be more of a problem, so get your flu jabs.

3 ( +15 / -12 )

Our right not to have unvaccinated people sitting next to us n the beer hall.

If the vaccines work, what are you worried about? If they don't work, why would you want anyone to get them? I mean, they either work of they don't. There is no third way.

10 ( +26 / -16 )

Don't worry the trials won't be completed until the next global pandemic in 100 years from now.

Is it really "your" body and "your" choice ?

What is it that you think you own ?

Scientific proof of a study that will perhaps disprove itself multiple times.

Only time will tell the truth of whether or not the vaccines were effective or not .

The long term affects of recieving the vaccine aren't known.

So many people have accepted and received the vaccines just so they can get on with their lives.

But life after covid pandemic will never be the same.

-2 ( +10 / -12 )

Want to be part of the community get the jab. Those who choose not can simply stay isolated with their anti community bodies. Winners are grinners lost can please themselves

-17 ( +10 / -27 )

Burning Bush

You live in a society, and part of your duty in that society is to treat others with decency and allow them the same courtesy they afford you.

Then unless you have a health reason, have the decency and courtesy to be vaccinated. That is your duty too. Just like washing your hands after a toilet visit.

-10 ( +19 / -29 )

Your body your right. Our right not to have unvaccinated people sitting next to us n the beer hall. People have to live by their decisions.

well said!

I bet you’d give them access to your body if you presented to the emergency room unable to breathe after catching COVID.

Brilliant!

-15 ( +12 / -27 )

The one place I really want to see proof of vaccine for admission is the COVID-19 ICU ward.... Or at least payment for treatment in full.

Your body...your choice?

-14 ( +8 / -22 )

People here just don't know that there are thousands of vaccine injuries around the world and thousands of deaths directly linked to the " so called " vaccines. Reports have been published but not on here. I always get my posts deleted here when I tell the truth. Usually " offensive and vulgar " is the claim.

7 ( +24 / -17 )

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Mr KiplingToday  06:51 am JST

It won't make a great deal of difference but at least its another step towards marginalizing the illogical anti-vaccine crowd. So I'm all for it.

No jab....no job.

No jab.... no flight.

No jab... no beer? Great!

im not vaccinated does that mean I can’t/shouldn’t be allowed to open?

10 ( +21 / -11 )

It won't make a great deal of difference but at least its another step towards marginalizing the illogical anti-vaccine crowd. So I'm all for it.

No jab....no job.

No jab.... no flight.

No jab... no beer? Great!

im not vaccinated does that mean I can’t/shouldn’t be allowed to open?

Yes, that is what it means.

-15 ( +12 / -27 )

This is great, though I wish they'd roll out the full vaccine passports sooner. Let's get them out there as soon as everyone who wants to be vaccinated can be or is.

-20 ( +11 / -31 )

When they insist people who have natural immunity get vaccinated anyway, you know something more is going on than merely a public health campaign.

Is it microchips?

thousands of deaths directly linked to the " so called " vaccines. Reports have been published but not on here. I always get my posts deleted here when I tell the truth. Usually " offensive and vulgar " is the claim.

A freedom fighter who knows all the answers but just never gets the chance to share all that magical truth. I see.

-12 ( +8 / -20 )

Weird. I haven't been jabbed. I spend my day around hundreds of kids and adults. Now they want proof of jab just to drink a beer? No thanks. I could buy a much much cheaper combini chu-hi or Asahi and drink on the street outside Shibuya Station which is probably much worse.

19 ( +27 / -8 )

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jeffbToday  07:48 am JST

You don't have any right to cast away certain types of people from public spaces. 

w bar/restaurant/cafe is not a public space! They are private property where the public are welcomed until they are not.

1 ( +13 / -12 )

The one place I really want to see proof of vaccine for admission is the COVID-19 ICU ward.... Or at least payment for treatment in full.

agree 100%

-12 ( +9 / -21 )

Not sure this is really fair to those who already had Covid, but still unvaccinated. Their immunity is probably better than those who are vaccinated, but never had Covid.

Not really, specially if they were not heavily symptomatic or hospitalized. A huge advantage of vaccines is that the response is relatively uniform, so scientists and doctors know about how much immunity has been stimulated, the infection is everything but uniform so to be able to say the immunity is or not still protective constant serum samples would need to be taken, which as every medical procedure carries risks, that can be even higher than what comes with the vaccine.

Also, if you are vaxxed, what exactly are you worried about?

Non-argument, lots of people actually care about those for whom the vaccine is not completely protective and also those that can't be vaccinated because of valid reasons instead of irrational fears. This may be difficult to understand for those that care only about themselves and their own convenience, but for most people it is important.

And you know what? I don't care anything that they are not vaccinated.

This speaks very poorly abut your relationship with the person that could not be vaccinated, the other two people are actually increasing the risk for the third to be seriously sick and even die (because medical exceptions do have also a role in making the infection wrong) but you "don't care anything". That is not something to be proud about.

 after 3 months the Big Pharma vaccines make one more susceptible to Covid infection.

That is completely false information, no data anywhere indicates this, the worst case scenario (that has not even happened now) is to go back to the same susceptibility than not being vaccinated, never less. If you have to repeat information that is easy to confirm as false to make a point, does it make more sense to understand you have no point at all?

One thing that has not been spoken of much is the possibility that Covid may have been around before Wuhan. 

Realistically speaking it is impossible, COVID even with very heavy social distancing measures produced millions of deaths that are impossible not to notice, if the disease was present before (without any of those measures) the death count would have been much higher. COVID is not a benign disease, it does not have a "more benign form". What is actually possible is that immunity against other viruses is cross-neutralizing to a small degree, so some people can get a limited protection from previous infections of other viruses, but for all practical purposes it is not possible to determine this, so the safest bet is not to assume this is the case and get instead the much more important protection from the vaccine.

You don't have any right to cast away certain types of people from public spaces. 

Unless you have lived in a cave your whole life this situation is actually very common, personal choices can make a person unable to use some of their freedoms, this can be as simple as choosing not to take showers, or not to wear clothes.

People here just don't know that there are thousands of vaccine injuries around the world and thousands of deaths directly linked to the " so called " vaccines

That would be because this is something people just say without offering any proof of it, what does "linked" means? deaths that happened after vaccination? then there are millions of deaths linked to drinking water.

How about a source that proves excess deaths happening to vaccinated people when compared with an unvaccinated population of the same demographics, for you to use this argument this is the actual evidence you need.

-11 ( +15 / -26 )

@zichi and Jefflee

being vaccinated does not stop the spread. If you are vaccinated it’s not 100 percent effective so there’s no absolute way to be safe.

, have the decency and courtesy to be vaccinated.

taking drugs is not a courtesy.

I understand you feel a bit cheated because you took the ineffective shot and have received no benefits from it. You are demanding perks for your obedience and effectively calling for the social credit score into Japan, because this does not stop at vaccines. It’s just the catalyst for complete control over our lives and children’s lives. Please think more deeply at what your asking for, unless this is what you want and therefore should be more honest for your hopes for a segregated fascist society.

10 ( +25 / -15 )

w bar/restaurant/cafe is not a public space! They are private property where the public are welcomed until they are not.

Simplistic.

Time and time again we see businesses (usually big ones) acting as enforcers of de facto government policy; policy which could be subject to challenge if implemented through the usual channels is frequently waived through under the fig leaf of "private business".

16 ( +22 / -6 )

I hope this proof of vaccination is digital and not something that involves paper and a hanko stamp...

Australia is using a digital vaccination pass which can be easily downloaded on to the phone and it has a hologram feature making it difficult for non-vaccinated people to produce a fake version.

-12 ( +11 / -23 )

People can choose to be vaccinated or not. I don't support compulsory vaccinations. People can decline if they have a health reason.

But since the outbreak of the pandemic those opposed to the vaccinations, or anti-vaxxers have also spread a tsunami of false information having an effect on others who probably would have been vaccinated.

When it comes to a pandemic we also have to consider our civic duty to be vaccinated if it's going to help stop people from becoming infected and dying. 5 million people have died from covid.

Sports fans visiting their stadiums should be vaccinated or show a negative covid test. Same for all large crowds like concerts, movies.

Front line workers should be vaccinated.

-8 ( +19 / -27 )

Just tell them your pro-choice, that should shut them up.

8 ( +16 / -8 )

2 years and nothing changed for me and those around me.....we just had to leave the pub earlier.....it was still safe. I can understand why govts in countries that had strict lockdowns would start this up.......but since large swathes of the population here pretty much went on as normal, this is overkill. International travel? Sure....going for a pint? Nah

8 ( +15 / -7 )

@Virusrex

the other two people are actually increasing the risk for the third to be seriously sick and even die (because medical exceptions do have also a role in making the infection wrong)

Let me please confirm that my understanding of what you are saying (or the meaning of your post) is correct.

I guess you know that me, even as a full vaccinated person, can catch the virus and can spread it to the unvaccinated person with health issues.

Is that correct?

Once more, please confirm that my understanding of the meaning what you are saying is correct.

You want us, including me (as a full vaccinated person, who also can catch and spread the virus), to avoid any contact with the unvaccinated person with the health issue, we should not work with him anymore (what means he will lose his job), we should not go to dinner or lunch with him, we also should not talk with him, we should completely isolate him from the society.

Is that what you mean?

9 ( +19 / -10 )

This is pointless...

So you can have up to 4 people there eating and drinking alcohol anyway, that coronavirus must have a good watch if it's not allowed in past a certain time!

Also look at Singapore, the Seychelles, Israel, Malta... massive amounts of infections even with high levels of vaccinations. Completely oversold product! I wish they would work perfectly so we could stop talking about it...

This is just to pretend they're doing something to appease the hypochondriacs

12 ( +23 / -11 )

OldNormal

@zichi and Jefflee 

being vaccinated does not stop the spread. If you are vaccinated it’s not 100 percent effective so there’s no absolute way to be safe.

The data proves otherwise. The vaccination is more than 90% effective in reducing from becoming infected and less than 50% of spreading it to others.

The number of infections and deaths is falling because of the vaccinations.

, have the decency and courtesy to be vaccinated.

taking drugs is not a courtesy. 

I understand you feel a bit cheated because you took the ineffective shot and have received no benefits from it.

I do not feel that.

You are demanding perks for your obedience and effectively calling for the social credit score into Japan, because this does not stop at vaccines. It’s just the catalyst for complete control over our lives and children’s lives. Please think more deeply at what your asking for, unless this is what you want and therefore should be more honest for your hopes for a segregated fascist society.

So we should not take preventive actions for contagious diseases and should not vaccinate our children against polio or measles?

-7 ( +13 / -20 )

One thing that has not been spoken of much is the possibility that Covid may have been around before Wuhan. 

Realistically speaking it is impossible, COVID even with very heavy social distancing measures produced millions of deaths that are impossible not to notice, if the disease was present before (without any of those measures) the death count would have been much higher. COVID is not a benign disease, it does not have a "more benign form". What is actually possible is that immunity against other viruses is cross-neutralizing to a small degree, so some people can get a limited protection from previous infections of other viruses, but for all practical purposes it is not possible to determine this, so the safest bet is not to assume this is the case and get instead the much more important protection from the vaccine.

virusrex- as usual, thank you for your contribution. I have a question-

Have you heard of this Australian new documentary called what happened in Wuhan? There was one part I saw that I found interesting and it is this:

There is an assertion that in 2012, 6 miners that were shoveling bat manure out of a mine in China became sick with a disease identical to covid and that 3 of them died- 1 after lingering for months in the hospital. Their test results were sent to the Wuhan institute of Virology.

I don't know how accurate this assertion is or if it is even true. I don't want to peddle in conspiracy theories, but I just was wondering if you know about that assertion, have seen the documentary, etc..

Any info would be appreciated. Again, I'm not peddling conspiracy theories. I just am curious about the 6 miners story and if there is any truth to that claim.

-3 ( +9 / -12 )

99% of unvaccinated people will be just fine. Also, if you are vaxxed, what exactly are you worried about?

That this stupid pandemic will drag on unnecessarily, and so we safe and responsible people will continue to be punished through restricted travel and other hassles that degrade the quality of life of all of us.

being vaccinated does not stop the spread

Yes, it does. A social gathering entirely of double vaxxed people is unlikely to spread the virus. A social gathering of all unvaxxed people is highly likely to spread the virus.

-8 ( +10 / -18 )

@Virusrex

This speaks very poorly abut your relationship with the person that could not be vaccinated,

One more thing:

Please tell me how I should behave towards this person?

Tell me how should we treat him, because you said me and the other 2 unvaccinated persons are a kind of “danger” to him. (in case my understanding of your post is correct)

To be not a “danger” to him, means, we (incl. me as a full vaccinated person) should completely avoid this guy.

If we really would do that, this would be a very big discrimination of this guy.

And guess what...he doesn‘t want that we avoid him, because he don’t want to lose his job and he want to continue to be a member of the society, and he wants to continue our very nice relationship with him.

7 ( +16 / -9 )

If a 16 year old in an Izakaya is going to ask to see proof, then I want to see proof from every single worker in the restaurant.

3 ( +13 / -10 )

our civic duty to be vaccinated

This is the kind of mentality that worries me.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for vaccination, but against mRNA vaccines.

7 ( +22 / -15 )

Resist it. Don't let the tyrants win

12 ( +23 / -11 )

The data proves otherwise. The vaccination is more than 90% effective in reducing from becoming infected and less than 50% of spreading it to others.

What utter nonsense. Care to share this (phantom) data?

The number of infections and deaths is falling because of the vaccinations.

Speculative but very doubtful. The number of infections is falling in some places like USA but still higher than before any vaccines existed. In other highly vaccinated countries like Singapore, infections and deaths are several times higher than before any vaccines there were administered.

Deaths will start to come down in places like USA where the virus has already run rampant because a large part of the "low hanging fruit" has already succumbed to the virus and therapeutics are getting better.

1 ( +13 / -12 )

 Proved that second-hand smoke can damage the health of others.

So, the right thing to do is to treat un-vaccinated people like you would "second-hand" smoke???

-1 ( +9 / -10 )

There is an assertion that in 2012, 6 miners that were shoveling bat manure out of a mine in China became sick with a disease identical to covid and that 3 of them died- 1 after lingering for months in the hospital. Their test results were sent to the Wuhan institute of Virology.

The disease is not identical to COVID, because the pathogen produce something closer to the first SARS and it does not spread as easily as COVID, the important part to understand is that this is not some kind of very special case that only happened once before and then with COVID, but something actually common. There are dozens of pathogens that are currently classified as "pre-pandemic" in many laboratories around the world after being found in China, Vietnam, Laos, Ghana, Kenya, etc. etc. corona, filo, influenza, herpes viruses that are isolated from infected people with mild or serious diseases but that fortunately can't spread freely as the SARS-CoV-2 can, the virology laboratory in Wuhan is there precisely because the region is rich in these pre-pandemic viruses, so it is natural to find out previous cases where a pandemic almost happened.

Once more, please confirm that my understanding of the meaning what you are saying is correct.

How does that contradict the fact that being unvaccinated increase that fact?

Let me rephrase your own argument, so you can understand why it is wrong.

"you are aware that even if you don't drink a drop of alcohol you can still make a mistake while driving and kill someone"

There, does this makes you feel like this justifiy drinking and driving? do you think you can refute this by saying this mean nobody should drive anywhere?

Vaccines lower importantly the risk of transmission, that has been confirmed scientifically, and they even lower the risk of disease and death for those vaccinated. Why would you be fine with people that actively choose to put others at a higher risk? this applies for both drinking and driving and for not vaccinating and still be in contact with other people.

Yeah, sure huge sacrifices can be done to protect others, and obviously not everybody is in a position to sacrifice their own lives for this, but in comparison vaccinating is not even a sacrifice, because the vaccinated people actually benefit from the vaccines. The only problem is that people choose to be irrationally afraid of a safe and effective vaccine and don't care that this increases the risk for others for no valid reason.

-9 ( +9 / -18 )

Got it. Thanks so much for that clarification!

-6 ( +6 / -12 )

Why can't the vax passport proponents just live and let live? Why do you have to force your ideology - that's what it is - on everyone else?

5 ( +23 / -18 )

This is a good thing for me.

I dont really mind mingling with the unvaccinated, been doing that all this time and I myself was unvaccinated before.

Being unvaccinated and being an antivaxer are totally different things however, and I wouldn't want to be near antivaxers if I can help it, especially if they are strangers.

Not all of them are nuts but why take the chance.

-8 ( +5 / -13 )

The number of infections is falling in some places like USA but still higher than before any vaccines existed.

Adjust the cases for the well characterized higher infectivity of the delta strain and you will have your answer, it is obviously invalid to compare two very different situations in time as if the variants were the same.

Deaths will start to come down in places like USA where the virus has already run rampant because a large part of the "low hanging fruit" has already succumbed to the virus and therapeutics are getting better.

Up until this point deaths come down directly in response with vaccination, independently of the number of cases before, this is a much more clear reason that do not depend on things not yet happening, but on actual data already collected.

So, the right thing to do is to treat un-vaccinated people like you would "second-hand" smoke???

Do "second hand smoke" have a choice? the obvious answer would be the one that have, the smoker.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for vaccination, but against mRNA vaccines.

Which is still not a rational position, no vaccine available is more risky than not vaccinating, being unvaccinated is still dead last in the the comparison of risk.

Please tell me how I should behave towards this person?

Keeping with the analogy, how do you think you should treat a friend that has to work nights in the road and it is at an increased risk of being run over by drivers that are not paying proper attention? by not driving ever? obviously not. The problem with "not caring" is that you feel is completely fine if two other of your friends say they like to have a few drinks before driving.

You're not going to be spared from the restrictions, they'll just come to you a little later. This kind of thing happens incrementally and before you know it...

Crystal ball arguments do not work in a discussion, specially if you have been wrong about things that can actually be confirmed right now.

-5 ( +11 / -16 )

It's nice to have grilled food . . . yaki from a Izakaya after a long day's work . . . ne?

-2 ( +5 / -7 )

Sure, after two years of eating only at the office cafeteria (which isn't bad at least), a bit of variety would be a welcome respite. Doesn't seem to be rolling out to Tokyo anytime soon though, so probably gonna be a long while yet.

I still can't get over how many people do not understand that vaccinations are a matter of public health, not personal choice. It's like lighting up a cigarette in a hospital and wondering why you are getting thrown out.

-5 ( +9 / -14 )

Adjust the cases for the well characterized higher infectivity of the delta strain and you will have your answer, it is obviously invalid to compare two very different situations in time as if the variants were the same.

A licensed doctor? A medical professional? A medical researcher? A virologist perhaps?

Any credentials to back that up?

-2 ( +8 / -10 )

Why can't the vax passport proponents just live and let live? Why do you have to force your ideology - that's what it is - on everyone else?

Force? Nobody is forcing you. You have a right to choose whether to get the vaccine and businesses have a right to choose whether they serve unvaccinated. That's the funny thing about rights, they go both ways. And btw vaccine mandates are not a 21st century innovation.

-6 ( +9 / -15 )

If you can't spot patterns from history that are staring you in the face, not much anyone can do for you.

That's right. All you anti-vaxxers ignoring that vaccine manadates have happened regularly in first-world nations over the past 100 years, and had court trials to determine they are legitimate, well, there's not much we can do for you.

-8 ( +10 / -18 )

If a 16 year old in an Izakaya is going to ask to see proof, then I want to see proof from every single worker in the restaurant.

Good luck with that.

-1 ( +6 / -7 )

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for vaccination, but against mRNA vaccines.

Why?

-1 ( +11 / -12 )

The world is rapidly becoming a dystopian nightmare.

16 ( +23 / -7 )

Good! I hope this encourages more vaccine holdouts to do the right thing and get the jab.

-10 ( +9 / -19 )

It's totally fine. This trial of 3 businesses in Japan is going nowhere. Hell they might even get sued for discrimination laws which exist in Japan. They can't force businesses to go along with it, so just go to a business that doesn't go along with the segregation. Drink and be merry. Hopefully only the non discriminatory vaxxed people will join in the fun.

5 ( +12 / -7 )

OKYO

The Japanese government said Monday it will begin conducting trials this week using “proof of COVID-19 vaccinations or negative test results” at eateries in preparation for another possible wave of infections this winter. If I read this correctly, it means this vaccine is NOT required. One works taker the rest instead. So it looks like someone who does not prefer to be or cannot be vaccinated can go out to eat after all.

This is extremely disturbing as to what is going on with this Vaccine nonsense. No one should be denied rights because they do not feel comfortable taking a vaccine. Japan, PLEASE DO NOT turn into Canada or certain cities in the United States like New York City. Not being allowed to work, go to a restaurant due to not being vaccinated is extremely terrible, sad and disturbing!!! Not being able to work or eat is crossing boundaries and can cause someone to be in life threatening situations. Do many not realize how disturbing this is.??..

Oh and Someone who is vaccinated can get colds and spread them. Colon Powell moved on and he was VACCINATED.

The Magic Power or this covid vaccine or should I say this o“Magic Wand”.

It is time to end all this vaccine status nonsense for eternity.

The way we stay health is nutrition, exercise, positive and lean on God to get us through our struggles.

4 ( +14 / -10 )

I think this is a very dangerous precedent.

4 ( +16 / -12 )

More discrimination is just what everyone needs.

11 ( +21 / -10 )

Why?

Because my physician advised I take the maximum precautions and wait for the Shionogi vaccine or another vaccine based upon well-established and safe technology (i.e. protein subunit vaccine). That's why.

2 ( +13 / -11 )

As soon a the election is over this passport will be the only legal way to congregate at or on paid venues and service. That a broad church. By the end of the year 90% over 21 years old will be vaccinated. I seem to work but even if it didn’t I still get the Jab so I can get back to enjoying those paid services and venues

-8 ( +5 / -13 )

The Magic Power or this covid vaccine or should I say this o“Magic Wand”. 

It is time to end all this vaccine status nonsense for eternity.The way we stay health is nutrition, exercise, positive and lean on God to get us through our struggles.

God? And you were calling the vaccine a magic wand?

-4 ( +7 / -11 )

If anti-vax = pro-choice

Then Pro-Vax must = No choice...

I luv how it is Anti or Pro... There is no grey zone...The media and govt have spun this perfectly and turned normal everyday placid people into a murderous mob..

A very interesting study into group/mob dynamics.

2 ( +11 / -9 )

@Kobe White Bar Owner

Bars and restaurants are private businesses that can legally discriminate how ever they please. But they were once "open to the public". Now they are actively discriminating just like at many times in history. I'm not arguing whether or not they should be allowed to do so. I'm arguing that choosing to discriminate based on an arbitrary reason is morally reprehensible. The argument is that vaccinated people are safer when unvaccinated aren't around. So it's like saying "we don't allow murderers in this here bar, so kick rocks!" People think it's safer to discriminate against the unvaccinated. They're wrong scientifically and on the wrong side of history. But that's their right to be wrong. They can allow the law to dictate their ethics. If you're a bar owner and want to discriminate, that's your right. Just as it's my right to never go to your bar and support you or your ideology.

6 ( +17 / -11 )

If you're a bar owner and want to discriminate, that's your right. Just as it's my right to never go to your bar and support you or your ideology.

Good. No problem then. What are you complaining about, having a choice?

-9 ( +10 / -19 )

PLEASE DO NOT turn into Canada or certain cities in the United States like New York City

Or rather, please DO! I talked to my dad in Canada the other day, and he told me that it's great, they can all go out for dinner and not have to worry about being around the unvaccinated. He didn't go to a restaurant for over a year, and now they have been a few times in the past few weeks.

-7 ( +13 / -20 )

Where else have people been asked to ‘show your papers’?

There are many with natural immunity that don’t require vaccinations.

Why should those people be required to be injected for no reason?

2 ( +15 / -13 )

Have there been any other time in history when people were persecuted and segregated due to their vaccination status?

I have been travelling internationally for 40 years and prior to have never been asked if I had any vaccination nor was it deemed necessary for me to get a visa yet now conveniently here we are.

This isn't polio or Ebola!

7 ( +18 / -11 )

Where else have people been asked to ‘show your papers’?

The gym, video rental shop, bar, post office, airport, city hall etc etc. Lots of places if you stop to, you know, think about it.

Proof of ID, age, status etc has been around your entire life.

-10 ( +8 / -18 )

Because my physician advised I take the maximum precautions and wait for the Shionogi vaccine or another vaccine based upon well-established and safe technology (i.e. protein subunit vaccine). That's why.

Another one.

You’d think from the comment section here that it’s a roughly 50-50 split between doctors with regards to getting vaccinated.

Highly unusual.

-11 ( +7 / -18 )

Because my physician advised I take the maximum precautions and wait for the Shionogi vaccine or another vaccine based upon well-established and safe technology (i.e. protein subunit vaccine). That's why.

Well, it's interesting advice since that will be well into 2022. The science behind mRNA is decades in the making. Just sayin'.

-2 ( +10 / -12 )

What is this fascination with Israel from the anti-vaxxers? Israel has about 62% of the population fully vaccinated. Get your head out of the echo chambers and into the real world. My office was getting mullered by covid until they started vaccinating people, which stopped it in it's tracks.

-8 ( +8 / -16 )

Another one.

You’d think from the comment section here that it’s a roughly 50-50 split between doctors with regards to getting vaccinated.

Highly unusual.

Your ratio is of no concern to me.

A poster asked me why.

I replied.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

-6 ( +6 / -12 )

@Virusrex

is that you feel is completely fine if two other of your friends say they like to have a few drinks before driving.

You didn’t answer my questions.

Of course I will tell my friends do not drink before you drive, because I know it is possible not to drink.

Or do you mean I should tell to this guy who can not take the vaccine, if you want to stay in your job, if you want to continue to be a member of the society and if you want to be my friend, go and take the vaccine?

Even I know it is impossible for him to take the vaccine?

Come on Man...

Your comment makes zero sense and don’t answer any of my questions to you.

6 ( +14 / -8 )

Well, it's interesting advice since that will be well into 2022. The science behind mRNA is decades in the making. Just sayin'.

I'm well aware of that. So, is my physician, of course.

I take my physician's advice, not advice from any of the "experts" here on JT.

2 ( +10 / -8 )

What is this fascination with Israel from the anti-vaxxers?

Because they started their mass vaccination campaign before everyone else. They figured out that after a few months, the vaccination has little effect on reducing hospitalization and is practically useless and preventing the spread, especially for variants. Those who lagged behind Israel should eventually make the same conclusions ... if they take their head out of the sand...

Good! I hope this encourages more vaccine holdouts to do the right thing and get the jab.

Yes, many of these measures are simply a nuisance to push people to get the vax.

We have an app here in Australia that connects all the dots.

Do you really believe that app was created for covid?

6 ( +14 / -8 )

Another one.

You’d think from the comment section here that it’s a roughly 50-50 split between doctors with regards to getting vaccinated.

Highly unusual.

Your ratio is of no concern to me. 

I see.

Does the ratio of doctors which shows a huge majority of doctors in favour of vaccination lead you to question the opinion of your physician?

It goes without saying that you entered into this with an open mind and sought out a second opinion.

Anything less sounds highly irresponsible and a bit suspicious.

It’s just that we’ve had an epidemic of posters here telling us about a very large number of friends and family working doctors and nurses who warn against vaccines, and an extraordinary number of family, friends and acquaintances keeling over on the streets after vaccinations. It sounds like we should be seeing fleets of ambulances outside vaccination centres.

Anyway, how was the second opinion? Did you find 2 anti-vaccination doctors in a row?

Pretty high odds.

-6 ( +8 / -14 )

@Tom San

I think it's fine to wait for whichever vaccine you have a preference for, as long as in the interim you are avoiding contact and interaction with other people. The same way we dealt with the first year or so of the pandemic.

The problem I have stems from the fact that very few anti-vax people seem to be willing to do that. I have no real issue with somebody who tells me "I want XYZ vaccine, so until it is available I am staying at home by myself and never going out". If they are capable of doing that, great!

@Monty

Or do you mean I should tell to this guy who can not take the vaccine, if you want to stay in your job, if you want to continue to be a member of the society and if you want to be my friend, go and take the vaccine?

I am not virusrex, but just to chime in here. Taking the argument on face value that he can't actually take the vaccine, you should be at the forefront of pushing the other people to get it. You mentioned you have 3 coworkers who haven't been vaccinated, one of which cannot be even if he wanted to. The others are risking his life every day by being in contact with him, it's incredibly selfish of them.

These are the very people we are trying to protect by getting vaccinated.

Also if he has some kind of immune deficiency, he should see if some special dispensation from the company is possible for remote work or the like. Ideally, he should not be going out until the pandemic is resolved if he can help it for his sake.

-7 ( +7 / -14 )

If you're scared around unvaxxed, stay home.

Why should the overwhelming majority of people who agree with vaccinations have to stay home because of a tiny majority who don't want to do it?

Are you one of those people who believes your party should win elections even if they have less votes?

-9 ( +8 / -17 )

They figured out that after a few months, the vaccination has little effect on reducing hospitalization and is practically useless and preventing the spread, especially for variants.

I don't believe that's a conclusion they ever came to. What ever made you think they came to this determination?!

-7 ( +8 / -15 )

And I don’t understand why people do always compare drinking and smoking with taking the vaccine?

Yeah, this is like comparing Apple's and your neighbor Dave. What exactly are you comparing?

The only relevant comparison is the difference between taking the vaccine or not. In the case of a vaccine, which has proven side effects for some people the question is whether the risk of adverse effect is higher from taking the vaccine, or not.

We have numbers on over a billion people taking the vaccines, and we have numbers on how many die or are extremely sick without. Pure data-based analysis shows that the risk from NOT taking the vaccine is much, much higher than the risk of taking the vaccine.

Anyone saying otherwise is speaking emotionally. Many are hysteric.

-7 ( +8 / -15 )

These are the very people we are trying to protect by getting vaccinated.

What? You must realize that yourself being vaccinated does nothing to protect others. This is the entire premise of the mandates but it is scientifically false. Being vaccinated protects only you from severe illness from covid. In fact tricking your cells' RNA can actually have negative effects on your overall immune system as published in many many pre-pademic papers on mRNA vaccine technology. Which is why Trump's Warpspeed program was required to cut through the red tape and allow a fast track to market for technology that otherwise was not yet up to snuff. Or maybe that's just a conspiracy theory.

2 ( +10 / -8 )

@Tom San

I think it's fine to wait for whichever vaccine you have a preference for, as long as in the interim you are avoiding contact and interaction with other people. The same way we dealt with the first year or so of the pandemic.

To put your mind to rest, I'll be doing exactly what I've been doing for the past year or so.

Also, my decision is not something as casual as a "preference".

-2 ( +7 / -9 )

@addfwyn

The others are risking his life every day by being in contact with him, 

Not only the others!

Me too!!!

That is exactly the point here.

I am fully vaccinated, and even so I can catch the virus and spread it to others!

Correct?

So even me, as a full vaccinated person puts him under risk. That is exactly what I am trying to say here.

As a fully vaccinated person, who also can spread the virus, how should I treat and behave towards an unvaccinated person who can not take the vaccine because of health issues?

Should I avoid any contact with him?

Should I isolate him during work?

Should I refuse to go to lunch or dinner with him?

Should I stop being his friend?

NO!!!

Maybe some people will do that, but me. Never!

Sometimes people here are talking about selfish.

What is more selfish?

To accept a person like he is, and give him the feeling that he is still welcome in each situation of life, or to put rules on him and ignore completely his own will, just that I am satisfied.

And in case of a person, who can not take the vaccine because of health issues, that is not his own will.

That is because of his body condition, which makes the situation, in case of isolating him from the society by putting rules on him, or by the ignorance of the vaccinated people, much more discriminating.

5 ( +13 / -8 )

A licensed doctor? A medical professional? A medical researcher? A virologist perhaps?

Any credentials to back that up?

What credentials do you imagine are necessary to read what the experts say about a topic? do only doctors or virologists have access to the internet according to you?

The way we stay health is nutrition, exercise, positive and lean on God to get us through our struggles.

Of course you can prove this like scientists have proved the value of vaccines, right? it is not like you are just asking people to trust you are right. Do you?

Of course I will tell my friends do not drink before you drive, because I know it is possible not to drink.

But you don't tell your friends to vaccinate, even if you know it is possible to do it, because it is effective and safe, and even if not doing it makes your other friend stand at a higher risk. Something that you say you don't care at all.

Nobody is talking about making people with valid medical exceptions for vaccinations to do it, the point is how you are completely fine with those people to be at a higher risk just because others have irrational fears to something that even benefit them.

Your comment makes zero sense and don’t answer any of my questions to you

The point is for you to answer your own questions so you can see how you are trying to justify not caring for your friends that can't be vaccinated. I already made perfectly clear with my own examples how this person (that is more vulnerable than most) should be treated.

Because my physician advised I take the maximum precautions and wait for the Shionogi vaccine or another vaccine based upon well-established and safe technology (i.e. protein subunit vaccine). That's why.

Unfortunately your physician is demonstrably wrong and puts you in a higher risk by suggesting remaining unvaccinated. When people go against the scientific consensus without any evidence of their own this is the only logical conclussion. You are taking one physician demonstrably wrong advice not over what people in the internet say, but against the proven scientific facts supporting the medical consensus. Thinking that your doctor is more likely to be right than the whole of medical community (without any evidence) is not rational.

-6 ( +7 / -13 )

What about the people that have natural immunity to covid and never have bin infected and perhaps never will.

Should they be forced to take the vaccine and get the passport?

Where is the testing being conducted where we can evaluate the percentage of the community that doesn't require the vaccine ?

Seems unfair to require natural immunity people to be vaccinated

7 ( +14 / -7 )

As a fully vaccinated person, who also can spread the virus, how should I treat and behave towards an unvaccinated person who can not take the vaccine because of health issues?

Should I avoid any contact with him?

Should I isolate him during work?

Should I refuse to go to lunch or dinner with him?

Should I stop being his friend?

No, only the willingly unvaccinated should be excluded. Then those who can't be vaccinated will be amongst those from whom they are extremely less likely to catch the virus, and not have to worry about those who are willing to spread it and don't care.

-6 ( +11 / -17 )

Zichi- "Civic duty" to get vaccinated? Vaccines only protect the vaccinated person. Sounds like you swallowed the "pandemic of the unvaccinated" propaganda- hook, line, and sinker.

Do people have a "civic duty" to wear a seatbelt? Not use drugs? Not drink alcohol? Not smoke? By the way, these activities are more risky than not getting vaccinated for most.

2 ( +14 / -12 )

What about the people that have natural immunity to covid and never have bin infected and perhaps never will. Should they be forced to take the vaccine and get the passport?

If they can prove through a test of some sort that they are unable to catch or spread the virus, no they should not have to take the vaccine, and should be eligible for a passport.

Honest question, do these people exist? Does such a test exist?

-8 ( +6 / -14 )

Taking a vaccine or not should be informed by your doctor. Agreeing with vaccine mandates is an policy choice. Siding with discrimination based on medical status is an ideology. Let's not conflate these issues.

6 ( +15 / -9 )

It's not a tiny majority.

What is a "tiny majority"? Isn't that an oxymoron? If it's the majority, by definition, it's not tiny.

There is no such a thing as "fully vaccinated".

Yes there is. I'm fully vaccinated:

In general, people are considered fully vaccinated: ±

2 weeks after their second dose in a 2-dose series, such as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, or

2 weeks after a single-dose vaccine, such as Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen vaccine

If you don’t meet these requirements, regardless of your age, you are NOT fully vaccinated.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html

It's a term that is very clearly defined, and easy to determine whether one fits into it, as can be seen with the above guideline. Of course, this will vary by government, but anywhere using the term will have a definition for it by which it can or cannot be applied to a person.

-5 ( +8 / -13 )

Then they have align on how to proof the vaccine because not everyone in Japan received the vaccine in Japan. But in principle as seen in EU, without vaccine access will be limited. It is the same with other deceases. We get all kinds of shots when born and growing up. So this is Covid is just one of them.

-11 ( +4 / -15 )

Excellent idea! Please do it everywhere!

-6 ( +7 / -13 )

No thanks. Will eat somewhere else.

3 ( +14 / -11 )

"Papers, please"

4 ( +13 / -9 )

"Papers, please"

"Which one?"

Residents Card.

Driving License.

Health Insurance Card.

My Number.
-5 ( +8 / -13 )

Our local physician, just around the corner, made it known that we could be vaccinated. I went along, and eventually my wife did too, despite having several female friends who are saying 結構です...I am inclined to think that what I've done to myself is far worse than any vaccination could do. Besides, I tend to do whatever my physician (gently) advises...So I'm no anti-vaxxer. But I am very much anti-coercion. Japan has so far avoided the sort of insane politicization of COVID that the United States is undergoing, with the current administration using the pandemic to cover up gross incompetence and the havoc being wrought by ideological delusions--and to further its authoritarianism. The good thing about Japanese bureaucrats is that whatever their own authoritarian inclinations, they tend to be too mealy-mouthed to act of them. The last thing we need now is the kind of virtue-signaling evident in many of the comments here.

12 ( +16 / -4 )

@zichi

Which one of those do they use to keep you out of bars, again? Residents card regulates immigration, sure. Drivers license regulates the very dangerous activity of driving vehicles, cool. Health insurance card provides the bearer a way to receive health care that they contribute to, great. And my number is simply a tax ID, whatever. The vax pass says what? Does what? Says who can and can't patronize a business? Is it because the unvaccinated can infect the vaccinated? What's the real purpose?

9 ( +14 / -5 )

Happy Day

Zichi- "Civic duty" to get vaccinated? Vaccines only protect the vaccinated person. Sounds like you swallowed the "pandemic of the unvaccinated" propaganda- hook, line, and sinker.

Do people have a "civic duty" to wear a seatbelt? Not use drugs? Not drink alcohol? Not smoke? By the way, these activities are more risky than not getting vaccinated for most.

The covid vaccinations have saved millions of lives. I had the vaccination to protect myself and wear a mask to protect others.

If someone knowingly knew they were infected with covid and went into a public place and spread the disease would that be a crime?

Last year, big events like sports fixtures banned the fans and spectators. Now in many countries, they have been able to return because of being fully vaccinated or showing a negative test. What is wrong with that?

Many countries for international travel are lifting the quarantine requirements for the fully vaccinated. What is wrong with that?

Last year I became a cancer survivor and my immune system was weak. Had I become infected I probably would have died from the covid. I delayed the vaccinations on the advice of my doctors while my immune system became stronger. The last couple of months my doctors advised that I have the covid shots which I did. Nothing negative happened. I continue to wear a mask in public and take other measures.

There are many civic duties required by citizens in many countries. Australians are required to vote, for instance.

Civic duties for Americans.

http://www.civics.ks.gov/kansas/citizenship/responsibilities-of-citizens.html

We are also required to vaccinate our children if they go to state schools.

Military people are required to have shots when deployed.

I have not swallowed anything.

I don't generally support compulsory vaccinations except for the front-line workers in contact with large numbers of the public.

In a pandemic do we also have a civic duty or do we just ignore becoming infected and spreading the virus?

-7 ( +6 / -13 )

It’s interesting that this thread has become a debate on personal rights. Yes, you do have the right to refuse the vaccine. Just as business owners have the right to refuse you entry if you are not vaccinated. It works both ways.

-9 ( +7 / -16 )

@Kobe White Bar Owner

You own a bar and you aren't vaccinated?

-9 ( +6 / -15 )

Assuming we still have a functioning court system. BIG ASSUMPTION.

You can say that again.

6 ( +10 / -4 )

A step towards a fascist state where people have a severely limited freedom of movement. 

It’s been very noticeable that it’s the “progressives” on this site who embrace authoritarianism and government control at every opportunity.

8 ( +14 / -6 )

Sunday, we attended our first social event since the outbreak of the pandemic. Home party for 9 people, including myself. We we all fully vaccinated and removed our masks while we ate and drink. Then replaced them after and continued to talk for a couple of more hours. I was not nervous knowing everyone was fully vaccinated. We all had a very enjoyable time.

-9 ( +6 / -15 )

Thats a horrible idea to have citizens police other citizens. Where in places like NYC or Paris where the similar “vaccine pass” concept is devastating businesses, customer base have dropped and their on the verge of closing. But politicians and government leaders get to sit back and do nothing while economy for regular folks plummet but big businesses that are already rich get bailout.

10 ( +12 / -2 )

jeffb

@zichi

Which one of those do they use to keep you out of bars, again? Residents card regulates immigration, sure. Drivers license regulates the very dangerous activity of driving vehicles, cool. Health insurance card provides the bearer a way to receive health care that they contribute to, great. And my number is simply a tax ID, whatever. The vax pass says what? Does what? Says who can and can't patronize a business? Is it because the unvaccinated can infect the vaccinated? What's the real purpose?

The one that says you are old enough to drink. In places like America, young people are required to show their ID in a bar.

You have the right not to be vaccinated. I don't disagree with that. The owner of a business has the right to request all patrons are fully vaccinated or have a negative test.

When fully vaccinated you have a certificate with the details and a barcode. I have put ours on our smartphones. Easy to show anyone who wants to see it. For international travel I think we need a certificate from our city office.

An unvaccinated person can be a carry of the virus and spread it to another unvaccinated person in the establishment.

-9 ( +6 / -15 )

Some countries already have the vaccination certificate requirement. Italy, France, Spain. My youngest brother in Rome who works at the Opera House was required to be vaccinated if he wanted to keep his job. Another brother in NY was required to be vaccinated if he wanted to keep his work at the Tribecca Film Fest.

There are no compulsory passes here. There is a small trial.

When the pandemic is defeated we can get back to the previous situation but many of the poorer countries will take many years unless they can get vaccinations.

Australia has opened its borders but only to nationals and residents.

-10 ( +4 / -14 )

An unvaccinated person can be a carry of the virus and spread it to another unvaccinated person in the establishment.

Can a vaccinated person also carry and spread it? The answer is yes. Bars can also ask you if you choose to drink alcohol and remove anyone who refuses to drink. That serves their bottom line. What is the reason for barring certain people based on vaccine status, though? What purpose does segregating society in that way serve? You haven't made one argument why it's a good thing and people should be in favor of discrimination.

7 ( +13 / -6 )

You haven't made one argument why it's a good thing and people should be in favor of discrimination.

Could it be "civic duty"???

-6 ( +5 / -11 )

@Tom San

It isn't.

8 ( +11 / -3 )

An unvaccinated person can be a carry of the virus and spread it to another unvaccinated person in the establishment.

But a vaccinated person can also be a carrier of the virus and spread it to other vaccinated people. As more and more people get vaccinated, this is becoming the main mode of transmission in some countries. The assumption that every unvaccinated person you encounter may be unknowingly harbouring an asymptomatic infection is completely unsupported by the data.

7 ( +13 / -6 )

It isn't.

I know. I was just kidding.

3 ( +7 / -4 )

@M3M3M3

I completely agree with what you're saying but remember the entire premise of lockdown, social distance, masks, etc. was predicated on the notion of asymptomatic spread. Which the data as you say, does not support. It's as if we are arguing a cure for a problem that likely never really existed, at least not to its most propagandized extent.

5 ( +9 / -4 )

I know. I was just kidding.

I'm sorry, Tom San.

3 ( +6 / -3 )

But a vaccinated person can also be a carrier of the virus and spread it to other vaccinated people.

That's what the experts (not "you know who" ) say, isn't it?

3 ( +6 / -3 )

Absolutely ridiculous. These governments are making up more and more excuses to take freedoms away. First, stop saying "fully vaccinated" when two shots is not "fully". They will be mandating booster shots soon. That of course shows you that it's not "fully".

Next, proof of vaccination means absolutely nothing when you have been vaccinated 6 months ago. By then your Spike Protein Antigens are back to normal and not doing much to protect you. While those who were not vaccinated still have their Natural Spike Protein Antigens. The world needs to be testing for antibodies, not making or checking useless vaccination passports.

And let's not forget that the Vaccination was great with the original virus but with the variants, you can still receive, carry and transfer the Variants.

The only difference between those who are vaccinated and those who are not is that those that are, won't get nearly as sick, and less chance of dying.

I know many people that have been vaccinated twice and got still got Delta and were so sick that they thought that they were dying.

Do you want to check how this works out? Pick 100 restaurants. Put them in lots of 10 or so. Put the restrictions on 1/2 the lots and no restrictions on the other 1/2. DO NOT let the government overlook this test, have a third neutral party look over.

These governments are taking the freedom from the public while they still go out to all hours of the night partying. They tell us don't travel and yet they travel. They say don't go out unless it's essential yet you still see them out and about. Now, they are even discussing opening the borders to tourists and promoting GoEat again.

Vaccinated or not, people need to stick up for the freedoms that they have worked so hard to earn for so many years when the truth is known.

For those who believe in the "mRNA" vaccine, what are you so afraid of if you are so sure that the vaccine protects you? Maybe you should speak to the original "inventor" of mRNA and get his prospective.

They say listen to the experts. There are no experts and the government sure doesn't listen to them. Or should I say they listen but still do as they planned and wanted to do anyways. If there were truly experts, this virus would have been gone 2 years ago.

11 ( +18 / -7 )

When it came to the vaccination I followed the advice of the medical team which had saved my life from cancer. From the time of my op last Feb. until getting the vaccines in Sept. this year. They said delay which I did. Then they advised the vaccinations which I did. I have nothing but respect for about 20 doctors and nurses who helped me to continue to live. Theirs was a recommendation only but I took it. My doctors are also fully vaccinated.

1 ( +10 / -9 )

Let's see the outcome. Hope it will be favorable, seems it worked in other venue types/ activities

-6 ( +5 / -11 )

@zichi

I don't think you or anyone else needs to ever justify the actions taken or recommendations heeded. It's a miracle that there are any sort of medical interventions at all. However to expect everyone to be as convinced or fearful of the dangers as some are, and to the extent that we should welcome senseless and baseless discrimination, is simply foolish. The issue is not about whether or not people should take mRNA vaccines, rather it's whether or not imposing societal limits on those who choose not to is a good policy choice. If the vaccine only protects the inoculated, the how can it be worth limiting people's freedoms to coerce those who choose not to be? There has yet to be a sound argument as to why we should be okay with coercion.

12 ( +16 / -4 )

The reasons presented here against implementation of vaccine passes for businesses are probably the same reasons used to try to disallow vaccine passes for kids entering schools in the west.

Anyone here had luck with that? Got a kid accepted without getting the jabs?

-4 ( +4 / -8 )

Maybe you should speak to the original "inventor" of mRNA and get his prospective

@Todd: I think you mean 'perspective' and I assume you are referring to Robert Malone who has been totally discredited.

-10 ( +4 / -14 )

@JDoe - Fortunately not that many actually! Thank God. 95.5 million have had a first shot, 84.8 million two . Very good take up here with no signs of abating.

-5 ( +5 / -10 )

Begin trials with 3 eateries...end trials with none

1 ( +7 / -6 )

Vaccines mitigate symptoms, they don't prevent infection nor the spread of the virus.

2 ( +11 / -9 )

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